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(Jerusalem Post)   Iran is building 16 new nuclear processing plants and announces discovery of large new uranium deposits. Totally for peaceful purposes, of course   (jpost.com) divider line 234
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2013-02-23 10:32:25 AM  
if they want a nuke then eventually they're gonna get one.  we can slow them down, make it really expensive...but in the end, if Iran wants a nuclear weapon (or a couple of reactors) they'll get one.

what we need to decide is how we're going to deal with that reality.
 
2013-02-23 10:49:21 AM  
A nuclear Iran is good for the Middle East.  There is no power balance in the region, as the US-Israel alliance dominates the region.  That is why it is so unstable.  A counterforce in a nuclear Iran will force Israel to start treating it's neighbors as equals, as they are.

The reason Israel is so terrified of a nuclear Iran is the above.   They don't want to see Muslim states as equals, they want to dominate them.
 
2013-02-23 10:49:24 AM  
They've been six months away from acquiring a nuke for like 15 years.
 
2013-02-23 11:01:49 AM  

Weaver95: if they want a nuke then eventually they're gonna get one.  we can slow them down, make it really expensive...but in the end, if Iran wants a nuclear weapon (or a couple of reactors) they'll get one.

what we need to decide is how we're going to deal with that reality.


I say we negate reality and help them out.
 
2013-02-23 11:30:58 AM  
I don't think it matters if Iran gets a nuke. While they play the zealot card now and then, Iran would realize how much it would lose if they actually used one. They aren't stupid or crazy.

Best Korea on the other hand might, I am led to believe, turn one over to al qaeda. May even pay for them to do it and they don't have a lot to lose.

/waves at NSA
 
2013-02-23 11:39:56 AM  
I wonder if the uranium they have just happens to look like green glass.

/I know it doesn't look like green glass, but if their fighter plane is any indication of their other projects, then their uranium also takes down Superman.
 
2013-02-23 11:40:40 AM  

GAT_00: A nuclear Iran is good for the Middle East.  There is no power balance in the region, as the US-Israel alliance dominates the region.  That is why it is so unstable.  A counterforce in a nuclear Iran will force Israel to start treating it's neighbors as equals, as they are.

The reason Israel is so terrified of a nuclear Iran is the above.   They don't want to see Muslim states as equals, they want to dominate them.


You're forgetting that Israel is not Iran's principle enemy in the region. Will you think it's a great idea when Saudi Arabia starts building a bomb?
 
2013-02-23 12:00:51 PM  

b2theory: GAT_00: A nuclear Iran is good for the Middle East.  There is no power balance in the region, as the US-Israel alliance dominates the region.  That is why it is so unstable.  A counterforce in a nuclear Iran will force Israel to start treating it's neighbors as equals, as they are.

The reason Israel is so terrified of a nuclear Iran is the above.   They don't want to see Muslim states as equals, they want to dominate them.

You're forgetting that Israel is not Iran's principle enemy in the region. Will you think it's a great idea when Saudi Arabia starts building a bomb?


Then you would not only have a balance against Israel, but you'd have a parity among the Muslim sects.

Nukes make war less likely, not more. When a fight over a piece of land can lead to total annihilation, you wonder a lot more if that land is worth it.
 
2013-02-23 12:01:06 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: They've been six months away from acquiring a nuke for like 15 years.


I suspect they will still be six months away IN 15 years.
 
2013-02-23 01:25:40 PM  
I'll get worried when they perfect a burrowing missile that's launched from impenetrable bunkers dug under mountains.
 
2013-02-23 01:26:22 PM  

Weaver95: if they want a nuke then eventually they're gonna get one.  we can slow them down, make it really expensive...but in the end, if Iran wants a nuclear weapon (or a couple of reactors) they'll get one.

what we need to decide is how we're going to deal with that reality.


Wait.... Your saying that if some country really, really, really, really wants something no force for good, be it sanctions or monetary in nature; can stop them from getting it?

/ it's almost like prohibition doesn't work in any form
 
2013-02-23 01:27:17 PM  
GAT_00: Nukes make war less likely, not more.


an armed society is a polite society...
 
2013-02-23 01:27:38 PM  
One can almost hear the Israeli bomber jets revving up their engines right now.
 
2013-02-23 01:27:45 PM  

iheartscotch: Weaver95: if they want a nuke then eventually they're gonna get one.  we can slow them down, make it really expensive...but in the end, if Iran wants a nuclear weapon (or a couple of reactors) they'll get one.

what we need to decide is how we're going to deal with that reality.

Wait.... Your saying that if some country really, really, really, really wants something no force for good, be it sanctions or monetary in nature; can stop them from getting it?

/ it's almost like prohibition doesn't work in any form


but zero tolerance does
 
2013-02-23 01:29:27 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-02-23 01:30:37 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: They've been six months away from acquiring a nuke for like 15 years.


That would be in George Bush months, in reality it would be more than 5 years.

/I think I just trolled.
 
2013-02-23 01:33:10 PM  
Also, one must consider the source is not totally un-biased and has, in the past, been a tad... creative... with their stories.
 
2013-02-23 01:33:48 PM  

GAT_00: A nuclear Iran is good for the Middle East.  There is no power balance in the region, as the US-Israel alliance dominates the region.  That is why it is so unstable.  A counterforce in a nuclear Iran will force Israel to start treating it's neighbors as equals, as they are.

The reason Israel is so terrified of a nuclear Iran is the above.   They don't want to see Muslim states as equals, they want to dominate them.


You know, I would like to agree with you.  I'd be inclined to do so if I didn't know that culture there.  If Iran suddenly found themselves with decent nuclear missile capability, it'd go something like this.  "We're gonna take back that land we're 100% sure Israel stole from us.  If you resist we'll nuke your capital."  We might give in one or two times, then it's going to be nuclear war over something silly.
 
2013-02-23 01:33:49 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-02-23 01:34:07 PM  

clipperbox: GAT_00: Nukes make war less likely, not more.


an armed society is a polite society...


Oh snap...
 
2013-02-23 01:35:37 PM  

clipperbox: GAT_00: Nukes make war less likely, not more.


an armed society is a polite society...


I'm just going to leave this here..

s3.amazonaws.com
 
2013-02-23 01:35:48 PM  

GAT_00: Nukes make war less likely, not more.


It was true in the cold war era when only the superpowers possessed nukes. But now that any crazy motherfarker can have one, and in a country where the constitution declares the nation's goal as eradicating an other nation, not so much.
 
2013-02-23 01:37:15 PM  

clipperbox: GAT_00: Nukes make war less likely, not more.


an armed society is a polite society...


Yup, its hilarious watching derp spewing about precious gun rights in one thread and wargarbl about how iran cannot be allowed to have nuclear capabilities in the next.
 
2013-02-23 01:37:43 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: They've been six months away from acquiring a nuke for like 15 years.


/thread
 
2013-02-23 01:37:57 PM  
OK world, give it a rest. Iran is going to get it's nukes and there is nothing you can do about it short of nuking them or going for a bigger version of the Afghan / Iraqi clusterfark. Also: Iranian nuke? BFD. Look what happened when Pakistan and India both got nukes: A big fat bucket of nothing.

This entire "OMFG Iran haz nukes" is just hype and fear-mongering. Ease up. Let it go. It's not the end of the world.

upload.wikimedia.org

/but you might want to ask yourself why some people keep trying to turn this into such a big thing
 
2013-02-23 01:39:37 PM  
i thought i saw this on Happy Days one time
 
2013-02-23 01:41:16 PM  

BumpInTheNight: clipperbox: GAT_00: Nukes make war less likely, not more.


an armed society is a polite society...

Yup, its hilarious watching derp spewing about precious gun rights in one thread and wargarbl about how iran cannot be allowed to have nuclear capabilities in the next.


I thought it was funny for the exact opposite stances... but I guess we each have to find our own comedy.
 
2013-02-23 01:41:48 PM  
Obama and Hilary have made this world such a safer place.
 
2013-02-23 01:42:47 PM  

Uncle Tractor: but you might want to ask yourself why some people keep trying to turn this into such a big thing


No need to.

This is about control of the region, plain and simple.  And under the current regime,  Iran with nukes will be even less willing to do what the US-based power structure wants.

Just like Iraq.

t1.gstatic.com
 
2013-02-23 01:43:36 PM  

GAT_00: A nuclear Iran is good for the Middle East.  There is no power balance in the region, as the US-Israel alliance dominates the region.  That is why it is so unstable.  A counterforce in a nuclear Iran will force Israel to start treating it's neighbors as equals, as they are.

The reason Israel is so terrified of a nuclear Iran is the above.   They don't want to see Muslim states as equals, they want to dominate them.


And you think that these states will suddenly, after thousands of years of being mortal enemies for reasons they aren't even entirely clear on, see each other as equals once they have the ability to kill millions of each other at one time instead of just hundreds or thousands?

Yeah. Sure. Go with that. Even if they don't actually start nuking each other immediately we'll just be treated to a hundred years of nuclear dick-waving on a scale that makes the Cold War look like a middle-school lunchroom argument.
 
2013-02-23 01:43:38 PM  

Hrist: You know, I would like to agree with you.  I'd be inclined to do so if I didn't know that culture there.  If Iran suddenly found themselves with decent nuclear missile capability, it'd go something like this.  "We're gonna take back that land we're 100% sure Israel stole from us.  If you resist we'll nuke your capital."  We might give in one or two times, then it's going to be nuclear war over something silly.


Iran is not going to nuke Israel. Why? Because 20% of the israeli population is muslim. Not only that, the fallout from a nuke in Israel will almost certainly end up in a muslim country or five ...or maybe in Europe. The iranian leaders might be crazy, but they're not that crazy. After all, they've managed to stay in power ever since 1979(?).
 
2013-02-23 01:44:18 PM  
F*ck I really need to look at who I'm responding to before I post.
 
2013-02-23 01:44:32 PM  
hey Israel, go fight your own damn wars.
 
2013-02-23 01:45:43 PM  

Uncle Tractor: OK world, give it a rest. Iran is going to get it's nukes and there is nothing you can do about it short of nuking them or going for a bigger version of the Afghan / Iraqi clusterfark. Also: Iranian nuke? BFD. Look what happened when Pakistan and India both got nukes: A big fat bucket of nothing.

This entire "OMFG Iran haz nukes" is just hype and fear-mongering. Ease up. Let it go. It's not the end of the world.

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/but you might want to ask yourself why some people keep trying to turn this into such a big thing


Simply put:  There are quasi-religious roots to EVERY power structure, including America's.  Most of these belief systems agree on one thing:  The crusades did happen, and there hasn't been a winner yet.  "christians" and "jews" think "muslims" are muddy apes who wipe their asses with their bare hands.  "muslims" think "christians" and "jews" are the bane of existence, and left to their own devices, will devour the world whole with no remorse.  I suppose at it's core, the "christians" and "jews" believe the same about the "muslims".

Thing about it is this:  No one has the balls to call a spade a spade.  It's racism.  You look and think differently, so you aren't equal.  My way is the best way, you are scum.  That's it.  All of this theatre is just to keep PC appearances.  The crusades will never end.  It's just a world wide, jet-setting pilgrimage now.  But both sides have groups who feel the need to protect their respective sheep.
 
2013-02-23 01:46:54 PM  

ElLoco: I thought it was funny for the exact opposite stances... but I guess we each have to find our own comedy.


There's people cheering for Iran to get nukes?  I don't even think the Irianian people want that to happen.
 
2013-02-23 01:47:51 PM  

Nemo's Brother: Obama and Hilary have made this world such a safer place.


Not sure if herp or derp.
 
2013-02-23 01:48:26 PM  

Hrist: GAT_00: A nuclear Iran is good for the Middle East.  There is no power balance in the region, as the US-Israel alliance dominates the region.  That is why it is so unstable.  A counterforce in a nuclear Iran will force Israel to start treating it's neighbors as equals, as they are.

The reason Israel is so terrified of a nuclear Iran is the above.   They don't want to see Muslim states as equals, they want to dominate them.

You know, I would like to agree with you.  I'd be inclined to do so if I didn't know that culture there.  If Iran suddenly found themselves with decent nuclear missile capability, it'd go something like this.  "We're gonna take back that land we're 100% sure Israel stole from us.  If you resist we'll nuke your capital."  We might give in one or two times, then it's going to be nuclear war over something silly.


Much in the same way the USSR proclaimed that the rest of the world would join Communism and would do so at the barrel of a gun if necessary.

Oh wait.

It was effectively a religion then, and there were no nukes exchanged, even when we came very close to blows.  There's no reason to believe that it will be different this time.

When the war can easily hit you, and a nuke is very hard to survive by digging deep enough, then you worry about your own neck when you go to war.

clipperbox: GAT_00: Nukes make war less likely, not more.


an armed society is a polite society...


Saying nukes work like guns is like saying that a cell phone has the same processing power as a supercomputer because they are both computers.
 
2013-02-23 01:48:29 PM  
What boggles my mind is what is taking so long.  Iranians know that sooner or later, the US is going to elect a leader that will make "have a war with Iran" the primary foreign policy, much like W's "have a war with Iraq" policy.  They know how many Iraqis died from that.  They know the only way to stop it is to have real nuclear weapons.  But while they seem to be working on it, 12 years later they still haven't set one off (it took the US less than 4 with 1940s tech, and nobody to buy any parts from).

It looks like the Iranians are even more frightened of having a bomb than being conventionally invaded.  I can only assume that once they get it, the Iranians think that sooner or later somebody is going to lob one at Israel and start a nuclear war.  If you've ever heard of the Iran-Iraq war, it was said to be a meat grinder similar to WWI.  I can't imagine anyone looking at that and thinking, I'll take that to having nukes.
 
2013-02-23 01:49:12 PM  
"Hey!  We have articulate speech, linear print and critical thinking!"

"Yeah, but those motherf*ckers speak differently and pray to a different god."

"Let's use science, chemistry and metallurgy to race each other over the cliff to Armageddon!"

"Woo!"
 
2013-02-23 01:49:51 PM  
Dear Iran,

Let the central banks in and only sell oil in USD. We can can convince our moronic population to go to war over wearing white on Labor Day if we fell like it.

Sincerely,

USA *

*A subsidiary of Israel Corp.
 
2013-02-23 01:51:10 PM  

GAT_00: Saying nukes work like guns is like saying that a cell phone has the same processing power as a supercomputer because they are both computers.


Only if you don't change the complexity of the program they're tasked to run to match.  Adding guns to fight between two people greatly increases the odds of one or maybe even both not surviving it.  Nukes are the same for nation states.
 
2013-02-23 01:52:57 PM  
Iranian's are absolute *experts* at making the world safe.

nuclear arms are where it's at.
it's what i want my children to be hugged with (i'm a sex offender and i'm not allowed to hug them myself)
 
2013-02-23 01:52:59 PM  

BumpInTheNight: GAT_00: Saying nukes work like guns is like saying that a cell phone has the same processing power as a supercomputer because they are both computers.

Only if you don't change the complexity of the program they're tasked to run to match.  Adding guns to fight between two people greatly increases the odds of one or maybe even both not surviving it.  Nukes are the same for nation states.


Yes, if we freely twist comparisons to make bogus points.
 
2013-02-23 01:57:49 PM  

GAT_00: BumpInTheNight: GAT_00: Saying nukes work like guns is like saying that a cell phone has the same processing power as a supercomputer because they are both computers.

Only if you don't change the complexity of the program they're tasked to run to match.  Adding guns to fight between two people greatly increases the odds of one or maybe even both not surviving it.  Nukes are the same for nation states.

Yes, if we freely twist comparisons to make bogus points.


Hey you're the only trying to imply that just because the cool heads of the US and Russia of ages past can keep from using their arsenal of nukes that the crazy sand people still fueding over invisible sky wizards are all good for nuclear capabilities as well.
 
2013-02-23 01:59:15 PM  

BumpInTheNight: crazy sand people still fueding over invisible sky wizards are all good for nuclear capabilities as well.


What about the crazy G-OPeople feuding over their respective invisible sky wizards?  If Romney were in the White House, he would have been announcing some kind of plan by now, guaranteed.
 
2013-02-23 01:59:23 PM  
I have a hard time believing they haven't already bought the nukes they want.
 
2013-02-23 02:03:28 PM  

Makh: I have a hard time believing they haven't already bought the nukes they want.


Craftsman's pride. No craftsman worth his salt would just break down and buy something that he's been working years and decades to create for himself.

I'll give Iran a thumbs up for that, if for nothing else.
 
2013-02-23 02:03:47 PM  
Stops reading at "Jerusalem Post".

We get it, Jews. We're supposed to do something about this. Now, please stop bombarding us with war propoganda. I'm sure your US politicians will eventually get around to it.
 
2013-02-23 02:04:14 PM  

Weaver95: what we need to decide is how we're going to deal with that reality.


Maybe start treating them like an actual foreign nation instead of throwing an infantile temper-tantrum and getting all our UN buddies to sanction them because they had the effrontery to want to govern themselves instead of living under the iron thumb of our little puppet dictator?

You know, negotiate trade agreements, take our differences to the treaty table with them instead of sabotaging them indirectly, maybe share our civilian nuclear technology since they do in fact have a legitimate need for it instead of making their only route to modern power generation motherfarking Russia of all nations?

Like, not approach things in the stupidest way mathematically possible for once in the history of western civilization, is what I'm basically suggesting here.
 
2013-02-23 02:05:21 PM  
We need immediate military action to counter this immediate threat.

Think about it, why would a media outlet ever exaggerate a foreign threat? It would be harm their credibility. Israeli publications would be even more vigilant about describing an accurate picture of the Iranian threat because crying wolf is against their interests/
 
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