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(Montreal Gazette)   If you are an American conservative who is depressed about future trends, you might want to learn the words to "Oh Canada"   (montrealgazette.com) divider line 26
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2013-02-23 09:45:43 AM  
6 votes:
Note that Canadian Conservatives are slightly Left of US Democrats.
2013-02-23 09:10:51 PM  
3 votes:

Via Infinito: I'm thinking that Canadian conservatives are nothing like American ones, but I've never lived there.

What do you Canadian Farkers think?


Canadian conservatives are capable of as strong herp-a-derp as their southern cousins. The big difference is in quantity. The real nutters make up a much smaller percentage of the party than they do in the States. Also they don't have a really strong base outside of some parts of the prairies so they have to keep somewhat broad appeal. There is little in the way of Gerrymandering in Canada so the people pick their representatives instead of parties picking which voters they want.

Much of their current success can be attributed to Canada's Weeners the pole system (they don't do run-off elections like in some parts of the US) and a general sense of disengagement by the public who really just wanted to not have to vote in another election. Plus the national Liberal Party has been rather bumbling. The fact that the New Democratic Party did so well in the last election indicates the left is alive and well in Canada, it's just not concentrated in a single party. Even the Green Party has a seat in the House of Commons and receives a respectable percentage of the vote during elections.
2013-02-23 03:12:27 PM  
3 votes:

mrshowrules: GAT_00: Via Infinito: I'm thinking that Canadian conservatives are nothing like American ones, but I've never lived there.

What do you Canadian Farkers think?

I've seen them saying a lot more recently that they've been copying a lot of GOP tactics and antics.

Good point.  It isn't that Harper is a moderate, but he's in an effectively Liberal country so he can't really pull any of the extreme Conservative bullshiat they try in the US because Canadians will flush him down the political shiatter so fast he won't have time to pack.


Well, ever since he's gotten his majority, it's been scandal after scandal.  From widespread robo-calls misinforming constituents of false polling places, ( who knows how severe it actually was), to lying about the f-35 jets costs while cutting military pay and raising administration by 22%(which a former canadian army general spoke out against) to cutting something to do with pensions which probably pissed off alot of his base, to trying to bring fox news in (although that was years ago), to abolishing fresh water protections on thousands of lakes and rivers to trying to break the treaties to trying to selling canadian resources to china which china will bringing in their own workers, these resources are on reserve lands too without consulting them about anything (which is illegal).  I don't even want to research all the other shiat he's done.  Oh yeah, he also tried to introduce sub-prime mortgages to Bay street when he was first elected, to which they laughed him out of the room.

We've become so americanized we're falling for the same shiat that Bush fooled everyone with.  It pains me to see it but I hope we learned our lesson.  Judging by all the racism against natives showing up all over the last year i'm guessing not, and we're slowly following america with sticking our heads all the way into our asses.
2013-02-23 03:07:03 PM  
3 votes:
Any American Conservative who moved up here would be sorely disappointed, and not just because of the weather.  No Canadian politician could get away with trying to use the Bible as a history, biology, or sociology textbook, at least not in public.  Plus, Canadian Conservatives believe that there's a direct relationship to taxation and revenues, so no Supply-Side Jesus.
2013-02-23 12:32:49 PM  
3 votes:
Don't sully Canada.  Send the farkers to Australia.
2013-02-23 12:18:15 PM  
3 votes:
Aw geez.  And they'll invariably end up here in Alberta.  Hey guys, we're closed for maintenance.  One of the Rockies fell over, and it'll take a while for us to reassemble it.  We'll let you know when we're open again.
2013-02-23 04:22:40 PM  
2 votes:
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They've been depressed about future trends for a while...
2013-02-23 03:37:48 PM  
2 votes:

Gen. Patton Harvey Oswalt: links136: mrshowrules: GAT_00: Via Infinito: I'm thinking that Canadian conservatives are nothing like American ones, but I've never lived there.

What do you Canadian Farkers think?

I've seen them saying a lot more recently that they've been copying a lot of GOP tactics and antics.

Good point.  It isn't that Harper is a moderate, but he's in an effectively Liberal country so he can't really pull any of the extreme Conservative bullshiat they try in the US because Canadians will flush him down the political shiatter so fast he won't have time to pack.

Well, ever since he's gotten his majority, it's been scandal after scandal.  From widespread robo-calls misinforming constituents of false polling places, ( who knows how severe it actually was), to lying about the f-35 jets costs while cutting military pay and raising administration by 22%(which a former canadian army general spoke out against) to cutting something to do with pensions which probably pissed off alot of his base, to trying to bring fox news in (although that was years ago), to abolishing fresh water protections on thousands of lakes and rivers to trying to break the treaties to trying to selling canadian resources to china which china will bringing in their own workers, these resources are on reserve lands too without consulting them about anything (which is illegal).  I don't even want to research all the other shiat he's done.  Oh yeah, he also tried to introduce sub-prime mortgages to Bay street when he was first elected, to which they laughed him out of the room.

We've become so americanized we're falling for the same shiat that Bush fooled everyone with.  It pains me to see it but I hope we learned our lesson.  Judging by all the racism against natives showing up all over the last year i'm guessing not, and we're slowly following america with sticking our heads all the way into our asses.

This is all true. But looked at from an American lenz (as a Candadian), it's just quaint in its scope. I'm ...


Among other things, what really bothers me about Harper is his anti-science stance, cutting federal funding to scientians, and not even allowing them to talk to the press unless pre-approved, and having minders following them around at conferences.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/andrew-weaver/harper-environment-cuts_b _1 549652.html
2013-02-23 11:44:53 AM  
2 votes:
DRTFA but I would suggest:

1) Canadians are not very loyal to political parties (many flip-flop several times in their lifetime)

2) Conservatives are in power because the Liberal vote is split

3) Canadian Conservatives are staying in power by not trying to be complete idiots like some Conservatives in the US (therefore Liberal influence/ideology is still alive and well)
2013-02-24 06:53:58 PM  
1 votes:

Via Infinito: I'm thinking that Canadian conservatives are nothing like American ones, but I've never lived there.

What do you Canadian Farkers think?


American conservatives are Democrats. The Republicans are authoritarians.
2013-02-24 06:52:57 PM  
1 votes:

The My Little Pony Killer: Don't sully Canada.  Send the farkers to Australia.


Republicans would not like Australia one little bit. We have gun control, universal healthcare, and a female Prime Minister leading a lefty government.

They would feel more at home in Russia - low income taxes, an authoritarian government, and a disdain for personal liberty.
2013-02-23 04:53:23 PM  
1 votes:

Somacandra: The My Little Pony Killer: Don't sully Canada.  Send the farkers to Australia.

They'll be just as out of touch with local conservatives there. Plus they'll hate driving on the other side of the road and the way that Aboriginal people are actually out in public there.


Yes, but the upside is the huge amount of poisonous fauna that they'll have to deal with.
2013-02-23 04:51:42 PM  
1 votes:

Bored Horde: syrynxx: rustypouch: I think there's reason to argue that the Canadian Liberal party is fiscally conservative, where the Conservative party is not.

Under the Liberals, there was a budget surplus from 1997 until they were voted out. Under Harper, we're running deficits of tens of billions of dollars.

Under our Democratic President Clinton twelve years ago, there was a budget surplus and a growing economy, although it can be argued that these were a byproduct of the stock market bubble of the time and any of the pieces from Monopoly could have enjoyed the same effect as President.  Well, not the shoe.

Apples and Oranges.  The Liberal party managed a surplus in the 90s by hacking away at budgets and offloading costs to the provinces.  The result - tens of billions of debt at a provincial level.  Canada was actually mired in a deep recession in the early 90s, the Canadian economy has traditionally lagged 5-10 years behind the American economy in terms of recovery.  Our resource & manufacturing economy requires American investment to function, and you don't see big orders for steel, cars, lumber or oil until a recovery is well underway in America.

Canada's 'financial wisdom' of the 90s was a parlour trick that has gone unnoticed because nobody cares, and reporters and politicians don't have the time or energy to understand Canadian political history.


Then again, if America didn't have dictator's set up all over the america's, maybe they could afford to buy some of our natural resources too.
2013-02-23 04:49:02 PM  
1 votes:

randomjsa: nmemkha: Difficulty:

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Except for all intents and purposes Socialism and Communism are indistinguishable from each other. I feel sorry for people who are committed socialists


Um...no
2013-02-23 04:33:57 PM  
1 votes:

chumboobler: Bladel: Note that Canadian Conservatives are slightly Left of US Democrats.

As a Canadian, I can confirm this.


Unfortunately, though, they're getting bolder with their legislation.  I don't think they'd ever touch socialized medicine (they might allow a private primary-care system to emerge if the conditions are right) but they certainly have shown all the signs of wanting to be "tough on crime" and a disregard for the middle class by hamstringing employment insurance.  I think they're using this majority gov't to figure out what they can get away with and what they can't... which is why they actually walked back their anti-privacy legislation when it was botched during question period.
2013-02-23 04:27:35 PM  
1 votes:
Or more likely, it's an implosion of the Liberal party and simple math.

When the Liberals began their post-Chretien slide, the votes had to go somewhere.  Some went left to the NDP and some went right to the Conservatives.  Because the center-left is split, you get a majority conservative gov't with 37% of the popular vote.  Last cycle, they had a minority gov't with 36% of the popular vote.

These are not dynasty-level numbers.  If the Liberals ever show signs of having a charismatic leader, things will go back to Liberal majorities and minorities.
2013-02-23 04:13:05 PM  
1 votes:

Superjew: No, no, no Subby, disgruntled conservatives all want to go to the libertarian paradise of Mexico, where strong brave men carve out their own futures without the oppressive heel of government stepping on their necks all the time, foisting their fascist roads and healthcare on everybody like a bunch of fascists.


Too close - send them to Somalia.
2013-02-23 04:05:08 PM  
1 votes:

syrynxx: Fiscal conservativism is good.  Social conservatism is a mixture of bigotry and Jesus-misinterpretation.

Unfortunately having warhawk Republicans has thrown fiscal conservatism into Never-Neverland.  You can't claim to be fiscally conservative when you authorized a war against a non-threatening sovereign nation that costs America half a trillion dollars per year, not including all the dead people on the sidelines.

There isn't a fiscally-conservative party that stands a chance of being elected.  Both sides have their own pet issues.  One side hates guns, the other side is obsessed with sticking vaginal wands up women's hoo-hahs.


I think there's reason to argue that the Canadian Liberal party is fiscally conservative, where the Conservative party is not.

Under the Liberals, there was a budget surplus from 1997 until they were voted out. Under Harper, we're running deficits of tens of billions of dollars.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/interactives/canada-deficit/
2013-02-23 03:42:36 PM  
1 votes:
We haven't yet fully developed that national skill which is quintessentially American: The ability to lie to oneself an believe it.

AmeriCons will hate it here. Too many people will ask them Who, What, When, Where and Whys if they start peddling their delusions in public. Our red-assed megacommie socialistnik hippie-horde upbringing taught us to question authority.

Sorry.
2013-02-23 03:22:18 PM  
1 votes:
Americans need only look at what are the MAJOR political scandals in Canada over the last few years (real ones, not the one about the bar running out of Molson and poutine)

There was some push polling in the last election. Nothing even close to Karl Rove style, but it was big news, people were talking jail time.

Our Seal Team 6 (JTF 2) handed some terrorists over to Americans because we can't deal with that. This was a big farking deal here too, because of the whole torture thing. House inquiry convened, I believe.

A former Prime Minister (Mulrooney) was in a scandal about taking some money from a German lobbyist (Karlheinz Shreiber) on the order of a few hundred thousand dollars for an Airbus deal. This kind of thing barely causes US Senators to look up from their desk. They call that kind of corruption "Tuesday"

There are others, but I'm constantly amazed at the scope of what constitutes a scandal here in Canada compared to what I read about what happens every day in the US that is just business as usual.
2013-02-23 03:17:59 PM  
1 votes:
The Conservatives will be to the 21st Century what the Liberals were to the 20th?

Go on, pull the other one.

Granted the Cons have had great success to date employing American style attack ads and getting a lot of the recent immigrant vote through their use of propaganda and yes, the liberal vote is split between the NDP and the Liberals but Harper's time is running out as rumblings within his own party (some of whom share the American conservative "values" of hating on abortions, gays and immigrants ironically enough) and across the rest of the political spectrum (environmental concerns, reductions in the social safety net, defunding CBC, etc) increase in volume.

Plus a lot of the Conservative vote these days come from people who might not live to see the next couple of elections. So there's that.
2013-02-23 03:02:07 PM  
1 votes:
Canada is what conservatives are trying to stop America from becoming.

They need to get their asses to Somalia.
2013-02-23 01:36:47 PM  
1 votes:

GAT_00: Via Infinito: I'm thinking that Canadian conservatives are nothing like American ones, but I've never lived there.

What do you Canadian Farkers think?

I've seen them saying a lot more recently that they've been copying a lot of GOP tactics and antics.


Good point.  It isn't that Harper is a moderate, but he's in an effectively Liberal country so he can't really pull any of the extreme Conservative bullshiat they try in the US because Canadians will flush him down the political shiatter so fast he won't have time to pack.
2013-02-23 11:48:07 AM  
1 votes:
That the Liberals have had a revolving door leadership void for the last three elections would have nothing at all to do with the Conservatives gaining incrementally with each election. Nope. The Author is jumping to some interesting conclusions there.
2013-02-23 09:46:49 AM  
1 votes:

Bladel: Note that Canadian Conservatives are slightly Left of US Democrats.


Sure, but don't tell our conservatives until they've moved.
2013-02-23 09:28:15 AM  
1 votes:
There are a few flaws with that "reasoning", but if it gets rid of our more rabid "conservatives", I'm all for it.
 
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