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2013-02-23 09:28:15 AM
There are a few flaws with that "reasoning", but if it gets rid of our more rabid "conservatives", I'm all for it.
 
2013-02-23 09:45:43 AM
Note that Canadian Conservatives are slightly Left of US Democrats.
 
2013-02-23 09:46:49 AM

Bladel: Note that Canadian Conservatives are slightly Left of US Democrats.


Sure, but don't tell our conservatives until they've moved.
 
2013-02-23 09:51:29 AM

St_Francis_P: Bladel: Note that Canadian Conservatives are slightly Left of US Democrats.

Sure, but don't tell our conservatives until they've moved.


We could turn that into a reality show.  That would be kind of awesome.
 
2013-02-23 09:59:35 AM
Didn't Karl Rove say the same thing about the US in 2004?
 
2013-02-23 10:00:01 AM
mojoimage.com

"Hooray!"
 
2013-02-23 11:44:53 AM
DRTFA but I would suggest:

1) Canadians are not very loyal to political parties (many flip-flop several times in their lifetime)

2) Conservatives are in power because the Liberal vote is split

3) Canadian Conservatives are staying in power by not trying to be complete idiots like some Conservatives in the US (therefore Liberal influence/ideology is still alive and well)
 
2013-02-23 11:48:07 AM
That the Liberals have had a revolving door leadership void for the last three elections would have nothing at all to do with the Conservatives gaining incrementally with each election. Nope. The Author is jumping to some interesting conclusions there.
 
2013-02-23 11:57:13 AM
Fine, but I refuse to learn the French part.


/Has sung both anthems at Cubs/Expos game years ago.
 
2013-02-23 12:18:15 PM
Aw geez.  And they'll invariably end up here in Alberta.  Hey guys, we're closed for maintenance.  One of the Rockies fell over, and it'll take a while for us to reassemble it.  We'll let you know when we're open again.
 
2013-02-23 12:28:14 PM
Justin will be named liberal leader and the liberals will regain their rightful place as a majority government. Because free pot for everyone. /one can dream, can't he?
 
2013-02-23 12:32:49 PM
Don't sully Canada.  Send the farkers to Australia.
 
2013-02-23 12:40:32 PM
Is that Jet Blue Election Protection contest still running?

Can I submit entries for conservatives on their behalf and for my benefit?
 
2013-02-23 12:58:01 PM
I'm thinking that Canadian conservatives are nothing like American ones, but I've never lived there.

What do you Canadian Farkers think?
 
2013-02-23 01:00:43 PM
I got no problem with sending some fundies deep into the Yukon. Like, right now.
 
2013-02-23 01:17:28 PM

Via Infinito: I'm thinking that Canadian conservatives are nothing like American ones, but I've never lived there.

What do you Canadian Farkers think?


I've seen them saying a lot more recently that they've been copying a lot of GOP tactics and antics.
 
2013-02-23 01:31:13 PM
We don't want them, you can have them, they're too fat for us, HEY! they're too fat for us.
 
2013-02-23 01:36:47 PM

GAT_00: Via Infinito: I'm thinking that Canadian conservatives are nothing like American ones, but I've never lived there.

What do you Canadian Farkers think?

I've seen them saying a lot more recently that they've been copying a lot of GOP tactics and antics.


Good point.  It isn't that Harper is a moderate, but he's in an effectively Liberal country so he can't really pull any of the extreme Conservative bullshiat they try in the US because Canadians will flush him down the political shiatter so fast he won't have time to pack.
 
2013-02-23 02:20:02 PM
I noticed in TFA that the Tories had to adjust their policies a bit to address the concerns of the middle class and immigrants.  Maybe the GOP should take a lesson.
 
2013-02-23 02:25:13 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Don't sully Canada.  Send the farkers to Australia.


They'll be just as out of touch with local conservatives there. Plus they'll hate driving on the other side of the road and the way that Aboriginal people are actually out in public there.
 
2013-02-23 02:53:25 PM

St_Francis_P: There are a few flaws with that "reasoning", but if it gets rid of our more rabid "conservatives", I'm all for it.


We don't want 'em you can keep 'em too too nuts for meeeee! Too too nuts for meeee!
 
2013-02-23 02:55:03 PM

Via Infinito: I'm thinking that Canadian conservatives are nothing like American ones, but I've never lived there.

What do you Canadian Farkers think?


You're 100% right.

FTA:
A coalition of influence and power has shifted to the West and Ontario suburbs, where the Tories are strong.

That's true, the Tories are strong in the west and in Ontario suburbs. But (for to give one example) the Canadian west is so "conservative" that Calgary elected a brown Muslim guy as mayor a couple years ago. Somehow, I don't think that would give much comfort to Republicans.
 
2013-02-23 02:55:11 PM

mrshowrules: DRTFA but I would suggest:

1) Canadians are not very loyal to political parties (many flip-flop several times in their lifetime)

2) Conservatives are in power because the Liberal vote is split

3) Canadian Conservatives are staying in power by not trying to be complete idiots like some Conservatives in the US (therefore Liberal influence/ideology is still alive and well)


I managed to read the article and it boils down to this:

1) Power and influence is shifting to the west (ie: Alberta) which are strongholds for the Conservative Party.

2) Wave of immigration from Asia.

3) Quebec becoming less relevant.

Some main points:

"Harper's greatest achievement has been to forge, over four elections, a modern Conservative coalition with the potential to become an enduring force in Canadian politics, one that will long outlast him," write the authors.

Harper's rise to power has been slow but steady in the past decade. He kept Paul Martin's seemingly invincible Liberals to a minority in the 2004 election. Then he won Tory minorities in 2006 and 2008. And in 2011, in an election described by the book as a turning point in history, Harper won a majority.


"Harper and his closest advisers were the first to anticipate the tremendous political potential of the Big Shift," the book says.

"He recognized that the West was transforming from a region of protest to an emerging centre of power.

"He saw the potential of winning away immigrant voters from the Liberals. He exploited the growing frustration of the suburban middle class in Ontario with a federal agenda that was more interested in expanding entitlements than in giving them a tax break. He saw that crime, whatever the statistics might say, was a lurking concern for many."
 
2013-02-23 02:55:21 PM

Vodka Zombie: St_Francis_P: Bladel: Note that Canadian Conservatives are slightly Left of US Democrats.

Sure, but don't tell our conservatives until they've moved.

We could turn that into a reality show.  That would be kind of awesome.


Conservative swap?
 
2013-02-23 02:58:42 PM
i like how everytime somebody gets elected, whoever lost says they're moving to canada
 
2013-02-23 03:00:46 PM

IgG4: Didn't Karl Rove say the same thing about the US in 2004?


^^^THIS^^^

It has been my observation that claims of "perpetually dominant" peak right before a party implodes.
 
2013-02-23 03:00:54 PM
I'll see you and raise you one article by Canada's Right-Wing newspaper that says the exact opposite:

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/11/21/justin-trudeau-led-liberals- wo uld-win-election-backed-by-women-middle-aged-canadians-poll-suggests/
 
2013-02-23 03:02:07 PM
Canada is what conservatives are trying to stop America from becoming.

They need to get their asses to Somalia.
 
2013-02-23 03:03:07 PM

Mrtraveler01: mrshowrules: DRTFA but I would suggest:

1) Canadians are not very loyal to political parties (many flip-flop several times in their lifetime)

2) Conservatives are in power because the Liberal vote is split

3) Canadian Conservatives are staying in power by not trying to be complete idiots like some Conservatives in the US (therefore Liberal influence/ideology is still alive and well)

I managed to read the article and it boils down to this:

1) Power and influence is shifting to the west (ie: Alberta) which are strongholds for the Conservative Party.

2) Wave of immigration from Asia.

3) Quebec becoming less relevant.

Some main points:

"Harper's greatest achievement has been to forge, over four elections, a modern Conservative coalition with the potential to become an enduring force in Canadian politics, one that will long outlast him," write the authors.

Harper's rise to power has been slow but steady in the past decade. He kept Paul Martin's seemingly invincible Liberals to a minority in the 2004 election. Then he won Tory minorities in 2006 and 2008. And in 2011, in an election described by the book as a turning point in history, Harper won a majority.


"Harper and his closest advisers were the first to anticipate the tremendous political potential of the Big Shift," the book says.

"He recognized that the West was transforming from a region of protest to an emerging centre of power.

"He saw the potential of winning away immigrant voters from the Liberals. He exploited the growing frustration of the suburban middle class in Ontario with a federal agenda that was more interested in expanding entitlements than in giving them a tax break. He saw that crime, whatever the statistics might say, was a lurking concern for many."


Those are all valid points but he is also missing the three points I raised.  Plus, BC and Quebec are breaking more and more socialist.  The day the NDP and Liberal party merge or the Liberal party disappears, it is all over for the Conservatives.  I don't think Quebec is politically irrelevant (yet).  Elections are still won in Ontario and Quebec (mostly).
 
2013-02-23 03:06:34 PM
A Lib/NDP coalition would destroy the Tories in one day... hell, either party could resurge given the realities (See my above post for one such hypothetical). We are not party-loyal up here.

And remember, Liberals are considered Centristsin this country.
 
2013-02-23 03:07:03 PM
Any American Conservative who moved up here would be sorely disappointed, and not just because of the weather.  No Canadian politician could get away with trying to use the Bible as a history, biology, or sociology textbook, at least not in public.  Plus, Canadian Conservatives believe that there's a direct relationship to taxation and revenues, so no Supply-Side Jesus.
 
2013-02-23 03:11:16 PM

mrshowrules: Mrtraveler01: mrshowrules: DRTFA but I would suggest:

1) Canadians are not very loyal to political parties (many flip-flop several times in their lifetime)

2) Conservatives are in power because the Liberal vote is split

3) Canadian Conservatives are staying in power by not trying to be complete idiots like some Conservatives in the US (therefore Liberal influence/ideology is still alive and well)

I managed to read the article and it boils down to this:

1) Power and influence is shifting to the west (ie: Alberta) which are strongholds for the Conservative Party.

2) Wave of immigration from Asia.

3) Quebec becoming less relevant.

Some main points:

"Harper's greatest achievement has been to forge, over four elections, a modern Conservative coalition with the potential to become an enduring force in Canadian politics, one that will long outlast him," write the authors.

Harper's rise to power has been slow but steady in the past decade. He kept Paul Martin's seemingly invincible Liberals to a minority in the 2004 election. Then he won Tory minorities in 2006 and 2008. And in 2011, in an election described by the book as a turning point in history, Harper won a majority.


"Harper and his closest advisers were the first to anticipate the tremendous political potential of the Big Shift," the book says.

"He recognized that the West was transforming from a region of protest to an emerging centre of power.

"He saw the potential of winning away immigrant voters from the Liberals. He exploited the growing frustration of the suburban middle class in Ontario with a federal agenda that was more interested in expanding entitlements than in giving them a tax break. He saw that crime, whatever the statistics might say, was a lurking concern for many."

Those are all valid points but he is also missing the three points I raised.  Plus, BC and Quebec are breaking more and more socialist.  The day the NDP and Liberal party merge or the Liberal party disappears, it is all ove ...


I agree.

I don't buy the whole "Canada is in the middle of a major shift in ideology" talking point that seems to be the theory behind this book.

I think it's more because the Conservatives have the momentum because:

A) The split between Liberals and NDP.
B) The Liberals lack the organization and don't have a person to unite behind like the Conservatives do with Harper.

As soon as those two issues are solved. I think we'll see more competitive elections down the road.

/observing from the United States
//Correct me if I got any of this wrong
 
2013-02-23 03:11:43 PM
Difficulty:

i.qkme.me
 
2013-02-23 03:12:27 PM

mrshowrules: GAT_00: Via Infinito: I'm thinking that Canadian conservatives are nothing like American ones, but I've never lived there.

What do you Canadian Farkers think?

I've seen them saying a lot more recently that they've been copying a lot of GOP tactics and antics.

Good point.  It isn't that Harper is a moderate, but he's in an effectively Liberal country so he can't really pull any of the extreme Conservative bullshiat they try in the US because Canadians will flush him down the political shiatter so fast he won't have time to pack.


Well, ever since he's gotten his majority, it's been scandal after scandal.  From widespread robo-calls misinforming constituents of false polling places, ( who knows how severe it actually was), to lying about the f-35 jets costs while cutting military pay and raising administration by 22%(which a former canadian army general spoke out against) to cutting something to do with pensions which probably pissed off alot of his base, to trying to bring fox news in (although that was years ago), to abolishing fresh water protections on thousands of lakes and rivers to trying to break the treaties to trying to selling canadian resources to china which china will bringing in their own workers, these resources are on reserve lands too without consulting them about anything (which is illegal).  I don't even want to research all the other shiat he's done.  Oh yeah, he also tried to introduce sub-prime mortgages to Bay street when he was first elected, to which they laughed him out of the room.

We've become so americanized we're falling for the same shiat that Bush fooled everyone with.  It pains me to see it but I hope we learned our lesson.  Judging by all the racism against natives showing up all over the last year i'm guessing not, and we're slowly following america with sticking our heads all the way into our asses.
 
2013-02-23 03:12:53 PM
This is agitprop. Where is Nate Silver when you need him?
 
2013-02-23 03:13:10 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Don't sully Canada.  Send the farkers to Australia.


Socialized health care and a minimum wage that is liveable? That doesn't sound like something American conservatives would like very much. Then again, there's plenty of racism against the "abos" and the Asian immigrants, so maybe it would be a wash.
 
2013-02-23 03:14:05 PM
We ain't fallin' fer jack shiat. This is like Canadian unskewedpolls.com.
 
2013-02-23 03:17:49 PM

mrshowrules: DRTFA but I would suggest:

1) Canadians are not very loyal to political parties (many flip-flop several times in their lifetime)

2) Conservatives are in power because the Liberal vote is split

3) Canadian Conservatives are staying in power by not trying to be complete idiots like some Conservatives in the US (therefore Liberal influence/ideology is still alive and well)


3 is incorrect. They are just as bad and even worse in many cases as US conservatives.
 
2013-02-23 03:17:59 PM
The Conservatives will be to the 21st Century what the Liberals were to the 20th?

Go on, pull the other one.

Granted the Cons have had great success to date employing American style attack ads and getting a lot of the recent immigrant vote through their use of propaganda and yes, the liberal vote is split between the NDP and the Liberals but Harper's time is running out as rumblings within his own party (some of whom share the American conservative "values" of hating on abortions, gays and immigrants ironically enough) and across the rest of the political spectrum (environmental concerns, reductions in the social safety net, defunding CBC, etc) increase in volume.

Plus a lot of the Conservative vote these days come from people who might not live to see the next couple of elections. So there's that.
 
2013-02-23 03:18:51 PM
Oh so it'll be "don't build that bridge" over "build that bridge" for a while.
 
Ant
2013-02-23 03:20:04 PM
FTFA: Waves of immigration, much of it from Asia, have brought conservative values triggered reptilian brain xenophobia.

Fixed that for them
 
2013-02-23 03:22:18 PM
Americans need only look at what are the MAJOR political scandals in Canada over the last few years (real ones, not the one about the bar running out of Molson and poutine)

There was some push polling in the last election. Nothing even close to Karl Rove style, but it was big news, people were talking jail time.

Our Seal Team 6 (JTF 2) handed some terrorists over to Americans because we can't deal with that. This was a big farking deal here too, because of the whole torture thing. House inquiry convened, I believe.

A former Prime Minister (Mulrooney) was in a scandal about taking some money from a German lobbyist (Karlheinz Shreiber) on the order of a few hundred thousand dollars for an Airbus deal. This kind of thing barely causes US Senators to look up from their desk. They call that kind of corruption "Tuesday"

There are others, but I'm constantly amazed at the scope of what constitutes a scandal here in Canada compared to what I read about what happens every day in the US that is just business as usual.
 
2013-02-23 03:22:38 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Don't sully Canada.  Send the farkers to Australia.


I'm sure they'd all be happy to move to the country where their fascist hero was born. . .
 
2013-02-23 03:23:16 PM

funmonger: This is agitprop. Where is Nate Silver when you need him?


He's probably taking a much deserved break and thinking about how many times more he'll demand the NY Times to pay him to blog on their site during the next election.
 
2013-02-23 03:24:00 PM

links136: mrshowrules: GAT_00: Via Infinito: I'm thinking that Canadian conservatives are nothing like American ones, but I've never lived there.

What do you Canadian Farkers think?

I've seen them saying a lot more recently that they've been copying a lot of GOP tactics and antics.

Good point.  It isn't that Harper is a moderate, but he's in an effectively Liberal country so he can't really pull any of the extreme Conservative bullshiat they try in the US because Canadians will flush him down the political shiatter so fast he won't have time to pack.

Well, ever since he's gotten his majority, it's been scandal after scandal.  From widespread robo-calls misinforming constituents of false polling places, ( who knows how severe it actually was), to lying about the f-35 jets costs while cutting military pay and raising administration by 22%(which a former canadian army general spoke out against) to cutting something to do with pensions which probably pissed off alot of his base, to trying to bring fox news in (although that was years ago), to abolishing fresh water protections on thousands of lakes and rivers to trying to break the treaties to trying to selling canadian resources to china which china will bringing in their own workers, these resources are on reserve lands too without consulting them about anything (which is illegal).  I don't even want to research all the other shiat he's done.  Oh yeah, he also tried to introduce sub-prime mortgages to Bay street when he was first elected, to which they laughed him out of the room.

We've become so americanized we're falling for the same shiat that Bush fooled everyone with.  It pains me to see it but I hope we learned our lesson.  Judging by all the racism against natives showing up all over the last year i'm guessing not, and we're slowly following america with sticking our heads all the way into our asses.


This is all true. But looked at from an American lenz (as a Candadian), it's just quaint in its scope. I'm glad we fight for them, but man, the differences are stark.
 
Ant
2013-02-23 03:25:03 PM

AverageJoe77: Conservative swap?


Yeah! The first show could be a conservative from North Korea, and a neo-con from the US.
 
2013-02-23 03:25:31 PM

Don't Troll Me Bro!: He's probably taking a much deserved break and thinking about how many times more he'll demand the NY Times to pay him to blog on their site during the next election.


My collection of polls, when averaged out, predict that you are 99% correct.
 
2013-02-23 03:29:05 PM
Canadian's, unlikely Americans, vote for what is in their interest. They realize things like health care bills could bankrupt almost all of them so they voted for a public funded healthcare system and pay taxes for it.

In the US everyone is convinced they are going to be millionaires some day because they have that big idea they've been sitting on. Therefore they refuse to vote for taxes to find things they might need like health care, food safety or truth in advertising laws.

The mass delusion that goes on in large parts of the Conservative base would never survive in Canada. They'd end up in somewhere in Quebec and starve to death when no one will speak to them in English.
 
2013-02-23 03:33:36 PM

Via Infinito: I'm thinking that Canadian conservatives are nothing like American ones, but I've never lived there.

What do you Canadian Farkers think?


I don't think they're alike at all. it's like a whole different political spectrum. of course, I've never lived in the States.

Of course, I have trouble defining American conservatism because of the difference between what American conservatives say they're for and what they actually do, so who knows.
 
2013-02-23 03:37:48 PM

Gen. Patton Harvey Oswalt: links136: mrshowrules: GAT_00: Via Infinito: I'm thinking that Canadian conservatives are nothing like American ones, but I've never lived there.

What do you Canadian Farkers think?

I've seen them saying a lot more recently that they've been copying a lot of GOP tactics and antics.

Good point.  It isn't that Harper is a moderate, but he's in an effectively Liberal country so he can't really pull any of the extreme Conservative bullshiat they try in the US because Canadians will flush him down the political shiatter so fast he won't have time to pack.

Well, ever since he's gotten his majority, it's been scandal after scandal.  From widespread robo-calls misinforming constituents of false polling places, ( who knows how severe it actually was), to lying about the f-35 jets costs while cutting military pay and raising administration by 22%(which a former canadian army general spoke out against) to cutting something to do with pensions which probably pissed off alot of his base, to trying to bring fox news in (although that was years ago), to abolishing fresh water protections on thousands of lakes and rivers to trying to break the treaties to trying to selling canadian resources to china which china will bringing in their own workers, these resources are on reserve lands too without consulting them about anything (which is illegal).  I don't even want to research all the other shiat he's done.  Oh yeah, he also tried to introduce sub-prime mortgages to Bay street when he was first elected, to which they laughed him out of the room.

We've become so americanized we're falling for the same shiat that Bush fooled everyone with.  It pains me to see it but I hope we learned our lesson.  Judging by all the racism against natives showing up all over the last year i'm guessing not, and we're slowly following america with sticking our heads all the way into our asses.

This is all true. But looked at from an American lenz (as a Candadian), it's just quaint in its scope. I'm ...


Among other things, what really bothers me about Harper is his anti-science stance, cutting federal funding to scientians, and not even allowing them to talk to the press unless pre-approved, and having minders following them around at conferences.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/andrew-weaver/harper-environment-cuts_b _1 549652.html
 
2013-02-23 03:42:36 PM
We haven't yet fully developed that national skill which is quintessentially American: The ability to lie to oneself an believe it.

AmeriCons will hate it here. Too many people will ask them Who, What, When, Where and Whys if they start peddling their delusions in public. Our red-assed megacommie socialistnik hippie-horde upbringing taught us to question authority.

Sorry.
 
2013-02-23 03:58:28 PM
Fiscal conservativism is good.  Social conservatism is a mixture of bigotry and Jesus-misinterpretation.

Unfortunately having warhawk Republicans has thrown fiscal conservatism into Never-Neverland.  You can't claim to be fiscally conservative when you authorized a war against a non-threatening sovereign nation that costs America half a trillion dollars per year, not including all the dead people on the sidelines.

There isn't a fiscally-conservative party that stands a chance of being elected.  Both sides have their own pet issues.  One side hates guns, the other side is obsessed with sticking vaginal wands up women's hoo-hahs.
 
2013-02-23 04:02:32 PM
It's too bad "conservative" in the Canadian sense would fall somewhere to the left of progressives in the US.

Sorry cons, there isn't an ultra nationalist white power, rape promoting demagogue party there to welcome you.
 
2013-02-23 04:05:08 PM

syrynxx: Fiscal conservativism is good.  Social conservatism is a mixture of bigotry and Jesus-misinterpretation.

Unfortunately having warhawk Republicans has thrown fiscal conservatism into Never-Neverland.  You can't claim to be fiscally conservative when you authorized a war against a non-threatening sovereign nation that costs America half a trillion dollars per year, not including all the dead people on the sidelines.

There isn't a fiscally-conservative party that stands a chance of being elected.  Both sides have their own pet issues.  One side hates guns, the other side is obsessed with sticking vaginal wands up women's hoo-hahs.


I think there's reason to argue that the Canadian Liberal party is fiscally conservative, where the Conservative party is not.

Under the Liberals, there was a budget surplus from 1997 until they were voted out. Under Harper, we're running deficits of tens of billions of dollars.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/interactives/canada-deficit/
 
2013-02-23 04:06:58 PM
No, no, no Subby, disgruntled conservatives all want to go to the libertarian paradise of Mexico, where strong brave men carve out their own futures without the oppressive heel of government stepping on their necks all the time, foisting their fascist roads and healthcare on everybody like a bunch of fascists.
 
2013-02-23 04:08:14 PM

nmemkha: Difficulty:

[i.qkme.me image 600x400]


Except for all intents and purposes Socialism and Communism are indistinguishable from each other. I feel sorry for people who are committed socialists, because at least the communists despise what their government does to them.
 
2013-02-23 04:09:58 PM

rustypouch: syrynxx: Fiscal conservativism is good.  Social conservatism is a mixture of bigotry and Jesus-misinterpretation.

Unfortunately having warhawk Republicans has thrown fiscal conservatism into Never-Neverland.  You can't claim to be fiscally conservative when you authorized a war against a non-threatening sovereign nation that costs America half a trillion dollars per year, not including all the dead people on the sidelines.

There isn't a fiscally-conservative party that stands a chance of being elected.  Both sides have their own pet issues.  One side hates guns, the other side is obsessed with sticking vaginal wands up women's hoo-hahs.

I think there's reason to argue that the Canadian Liberal party is fiscally conservative, where the Conservative party is not.

Under the Liberals, there was a budget surplus from 1997 until they were voted out. Under Harper, we're running deficits of tens of billions of dollars.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/interactives/canada-deficit/


Well.. Sounds lie they ARE taking their plays from American conservatives. Drive your economy into the ground with massive deficits, and then start passing out austerity measures like they are freedom fries.
 
2013-02-23 04:13:05 PM

Superjew: No, no, no Subby, disgruntled conservatives all want to go to the libertarian paradise of Mexico, where strong brave men carve out their own futures without the oppressive heel of government stepping on their necks all the time, foisting their fascist roads and healthcare on everybody like a bunch of fascists.


Too close - send them to Somalia.
 
2013-02-23 04:22:40 PM
upload.wikimedia.org

They've been depressed about future trends for a while...
 
2013-02-23 04:25:15 PM

rustypouch: I think there's reason to argue that the Canadian Liberal party is fiscally conservative, where the Conservative party is not.

Under the Liberals, there was a budget surplus from 1997 until they were voted out. Under Harper, we're running deficits of tens of billions of dollars.


Under our Democratic President Clinton twelve years ago, there was a budget surplus and a growing economy, although it can be argued that these were a byproduct of the stock market bubble of the time and any of the pieces from Monopoly could have enjoyed the same effect as President.  Well, not the shoe.
 
2013-02-23 04:27:35 PM
Or more likely, it's an implosion of the Liberal party and simple math.

When the Liberals began their post-Chretien slide, the votes had to go somewhere.  Some went left to the NDP and some went right to the Conservatives.  Because the center-left is split, you get a majority conservative gov't with 37% of the popular vote.  Last cycle, they had a minority gov't with 36% of the popular vote.

These are not dynasty-level numbers.  If the Liberals ever show signs of having a charismatic leader, things will go back to Liberal majorities and minorities.
 
2013-02-23 04:29:21 PM

Bladel: Note that Canadian Conservatives are slightly Left of US Democrats.


As a Canadian, I can confirm this.
 
2013-02-23 04:33:57 PM

chumboobler: Bladel: Note that Canadian Conservatives are slightly Left of US Democrats.

As a Canadian, I can confirm this.


Unfortunately, though, they're getting bolder with their legislation.  I don't think they'd ever touch socialized medicine (they might allow a private primary-care system to emerge if the conditions are right) but they certainly have shown all the signs of wanting to be "tough on crime" and a disregard for the middle class by hamstringing employment insurance.  I think they're using this majority gov't to figure out what they can get away with and what they can't... which is why they actually walked back their anti-privacy legislation when it was botched during question period.
 
2013-02-23 04:38:43 PM

syrynxx: rustypouch: I think there's reason to argue that the Canadian Liberal party is fiscally conservative, where the Conservative party is not.

Under the Liberals, there was a budget surplus from 1997 until they were voted out. Under Harper, we're running deficits of tens of billions of dollars.

Under our Democratic President Clinton twelve years ago, there was a budget surplus and a growing economy, although it can be argued that these were a byproduct of the stock market bubble of the time and any of the pieces from Monopoly could have enjoyed the same effect as President.  Well, not the shoe.


Apples and Oranges.  The Liberal party managed a surplus in the 90s by hacking away at budgets and offloading costs to the provinces.  The result - tens of billions of debt at a provincial level.  Canada was actually mired in a deep recession in the early 90s, the Canadian economy has traditionally lagged 5-10 years behind the American economy in terms of recovery.  Our resource & manufacturing economy requires American investment to function, and you don't see big orders for steel, cars, lumber or oil until a recovery is well underway in America.

Canada's 'financial wisdom' of the 90s was a parlour trick that has gone unnoticed because nobody cares, and reporters and politicians don't have the time or energy to understand Canadian political history.
 
2013-02-23 04:40:57 PM

Mercutio74: chumboobler: Bladel: Note that Canadian Conservatives are slightly Left of US Democrats.

As a Canadian, I can confirm this.

Unfortunately, though, they're getting bolder with their legislation.  I don't think they'd ever touch socialized medicine (they might allow a private primary-care system to emerge if the conditions are right) but they certainly have shown all the signs of wanting to be "tough on crime" and a disregard for the middle class by hamstringing employment insurance.  I think they're using this majority gov't to figure out what they can get away with and what they can't... which is why they actually walked back their anti-privacy legislation when it was botched during question period.


They are shooting themselves in the face with this stuff though.  Canadians, except in the small minority, are not hard line anti privacy right wing people. Maybe we don't have the fearful media hype that our neighbours to the south are bombarded with and therefore we fear things less. By fearing things less we feel less need to be "protected" by our government.  When the Gov't talks about taking away rights in the name of safety, it falls on deaf ears since our populace is not actually afraid.   When the next election rolls around, the conservatives will get what is coming to them if they insist on trying to limit peoples rights and expand the powers of government in the name of safety.
 
2013-02-23 04:47:02 PM

Bored Horde: syrynxx: rustypouch: I think there's reason to argue that the Canadian Liberal party is fiscally conservative, where the Conservative party is not.

Under the Liberals, there was a budget surplus from 1997 until they were voted out. Under Harper, we're running deficits of tens of billions of dollars.

Under our Democratic President Clinton twelve years ago, there was a budget surplus and a growing economy, although it can be argued that these were a byproduct of the stock market bubble of the time and any of the pieces from Monopoly could have enjoyed the same effect as President.  Well, not the shoe.

Apples and Oranges.  The Liberal party managed a surplus in the 90s by hacking away at budgets and offloading costs to the provinces.  The result - tens of billions of debt at a provincial level.  Canada was actually mired in a deep recession in the early 90s, the Canadian economy has traditionally lagged 5-10 years behind the American economy in terms of recovery.  Our resource & manufacturing economy requires American investment to function, and you don't see big orders for steel, cars, lumber or oil until a recovery is well underway in America.

Canada's 'financial wisdom' of the 90s was a parlour trick that has gone unnoticed because nobody cares, and reporters and politicians don't have the time or energy to understand Canadian political history.


If the US economy folds, the Chinese economy will fold. If they both fold, the rest of the world will follow.  We can have all the natural resources in the world here in Canada but if there is no market for them, we have no cash flow.  The economy in the US is far from recovering.  There is no job growth. Not worthwhile jobs anyway.  The tax base is shrinking and any budgetary gains are from budget cuts not revenue expansion.  That is not a sign of economic recovery.  When you get into austerity measures, you are circling the drain.
 
2013-02-23 04:49:02 PM

randomjsa: nmemkha: Difficulty:

[i.qkme.me image 600x400]

Except for all intents and purposes Socialism and Communism are indistinguishable from each other. I feel sorry for people who are committed socialists


Um...no
 
2013-02-23 04:51:42 PM

Bored Horde: syrynxx: rustypouch: I think there's reason to argue that the Canadian Liberal party is fiscally conservative, where the Conservative party is not.

Under the Liberals, there was a budget surplus from 1997 until they were voted out. Under Harper, we're running deficits of tens of billions of dollars.

Under our Democratic President Clinton twelve years ago, there was a budget surplus and a growing economy, although it can be argued that these were a byproduct of the stock market bubble of the time and any of the pieces from Monopoly could have enjoyed the same effect as President.  Well, not the shoe.

Apples and Oranges.  The Liberal party managed a surplus in the 90s by hacking away at budgets and offloading costs to the provinces.  The result - tens of billions of debt at a provincial level.  Canada was actually mired in a deep recession in the early 90s, the Canadian economy has traditionally lagged 5-10 years behind the American economy in terms of recovery.  Our resource & manufacturing economy requires American investment to function, and you don't see big orders for steel, cars, lumber or oil until a recovery is well underway in America.

Canada's 'financial wisdom' of the 90s was a parlour trick that has gone unnoticed because nobody cares, and reporters and politicians don't have the time or energy to understand Canadian political history.


Then again, if America didn't have dictator's set up all over the america's, maybe they could afford to buy some of our natural resources too.
 
2013-02-23 04:52:11 PM

Bored Horde: you don't see big orders for steel, cars, lumber or oil until a recovery is well underway in America.


This is a difficult proposition.  Because of labour costs, much of American manufacturing requiring those resources has been outsourced to China and is never coming back.  It's tough to compete with factory workers who work for under $10/hour.
 
2013-02-23 04:53:23 PM

Somacandra: The My Little Pony Killer: Don't sully Canada.  Send the farkers to Australia.

They'll be just as out of touch with local conservatives there. Plus they'll hate driving on the other side of the road and the way that Aboriginal people are actually out in public there.


Yes, but the upside is the huge amount of poisonous fauna that they'll have to deal with.
 
2013-02-23 04:56:40 PM

Bored Horde: syrynxx: rustypouch: I think there's reason to argue that the Canadian Liberal party is fiscally conservative, where the Conservative party is not.

Under the Liberals, there was a budget surplus from 1997 until they were voted out. Under Harper, we're running deficits of tens of billions of dollars.

Under our Democratic President Clinton twelve years ago, there was a budget surplus and a growing economy, although it can be argued that these were a byproduct of the stock market bubble of the time and any of the pieces from Monopoly could have enjoyed the same effect as President.  Well, not the shoe.

Apples and Oranges.  The Liberal party managed a surplus in the 90s by hacking away at budgets and offloading costs to the provinces.  The result - tens of billions of debt at a provincial level.  Canada was actually mired in a deep recession in the early 90s, the Canadian economy has traditionally lagged 5-10 years behind the American economy in terms of recovery.  Our resource & manufacturing economy requires American investment to function, and you don't see big orders for steel, cars, lumber or oil until a recovery is well underway in America.

Canada's 'financial wisdom' of the 90s was a parlour trick that has gone unnoticed because nobody cares, and reporters and politicians don't have the time or energy to understand Canadian political history.


Do you have any sources supporting this? I don't doubt it, but I want to know specifics (what was offloaded on to Provinces, for example).

Thanks!
 
2013-02-23 04:57:35 PM

chumboobler: Bored Horde: syrynxx: rustypouch: I think there's reason to argue that the Canadian Liberal party is fiscally conservative, where the Conservative party is not.

Under the Liberals, there was a budget surplus from 1997 until they were voted out. Under Harper, we're running deficits of tens of billions of dollars.

Under our Democratic President Clinton twelve years ago, there was a budget surplus and a growing economy, although it can be argued that these were a byproduct of the stock market bubble of the time and any of the pieces from Monopoly could have enjoyed the same effect as President.  Well, not the shoe.

Apples and Oranges.  The Liberal party managed a surplus in the 90s by hacking away at budgets and offloading costs to the provinces.  The result - tens of billions of debt at a provincial level.  Canada was actually mired in a deep recession in the early 90s, the Canadian economy has traditionally lagged 5-10 years behind the American economy in terms of recovery.  Our resource & manufacturing economy requires American investment to function, and you don't see big orders for steel, cars, lumber or oil until a recovery is well underway in America.

Canada's 'financial wisdom' of the 90s was a parlour trick that has gone unnoticed because nobody cares, and reporters and politicians don't have the time or energy to understand Canadian political history.

If the US economy folds, the Chinese economy will fold. If they both fold, the rest of the world will follow.  We can have all the natural resources in the world here in Canada but if there is no market for them, we have no cash flow.  The economy in the US is far from recovering.  There is no job growth. Not worthwhile jobs anyway.  The tax base is shrinking and any budgetary gains are from budget cuts not revenue expansion.  That is not a sign of economic recovery.  When you get into austerity measures, you are circling the drain.


i'm pretty sure if the world economy collapsed, there'd be far more to worry about than who will buy our natural resources.  Maybe try the 4th reich.
 
2013-02-23 05:01:52 PM

randomjsa: nmemkha: Difficulty:

[i.qkme.me image 600x400]

Except for all intents and purposes Socialism and Communism are indistinguishable from each other. I feel sorry for people who are committed socialists, because at least the communists despise what their government does to them.


Lies.

http://www.diffen.com/difference/Communism_vs_Socialism

Takes ten seconds to Google, dumbshiat. Lie harder next time.
 
2013-02-23 05:03:23 PM

chumboobler: If the US economy folds, the Chinese economy will fold. If they both fold, the rest of the world will follow.


Not really. China will always be able to find people to buy their stuff. They have the biggest manufacturing base on the planet right now, and can get away with treating their workers like garbage. No one can compete with them.

It's the same thing to a lesser degree with Canada. We don't need the US to buy our oil and uranium and other things, because other countries are lining up to buy those things. If the US folds it just means we have to make new trade deals and sever all our oil pipelines to the US.
 
2013-02-23 05:07:08 PM

J. Frank Parnell: Not really. China will always be able to find people to buy their stuff. They have the biggest manufacturing base on the planet right now, and can get away with treating their workers like garbage. No one can compete with them.

It's the same thing to a lesser degree with Canada. We don't need the US to buy our oil and uranium and other things, because other countries are lining up to buy those things. If the US folds it just means we have to make new trade deals and sever all our oil pipelines to the US.


Unfortunately though, as we saw in the global recession, economies are tied to each other too closely.  Economic malfeasance by Wall St caused the entire world to go through some hard times.  Certain countries did better than others, but every first world country or emerging economy felt the damage.
 
2013-02-23 05:10:44 PM

J. Frank Parnell: chumboobler: If the US economy folds, the Chinese economy will fold. If they both fold, the rest of the world will follow.

Not really. China will always be able to find people to buy their stuff. They have the biggest manufacturing base on the planet right now, and can get away with treating their workers like garbage. No one can compete with them.

It's the same thing to a lesser degree with Canada. We don't need the US to buy our oil and uranium and other things, because other countries are lining up to buy those things. If the US folds it just means we have to make new trade deals and sever all our oil pipelines to the US.


Here's the thing most people realize.  I can by a cheap student fiddle made by a machine for $100.  I'd much rather buy a $2000 hand-made violin.  The quality isn't even a contest.  One also has a much higher profit.  Just because it's cheaper made by cheap labour doesn't exactly mean it's more desirable, unless your retarded, which america does have a problem with.  However, the Automobile industry if finding out that yes, paying twice the wages (Germanys $66 benefits combined compared to america's $33) does produce more revenue.

The real issue here is america's idiot problem, and the stranglehold it has on the rest of the world.
 
2013-02-23 05:21:10 PM

Mercutio74: Unfortunately though, as we saw in the global recession, economies are tied to each other too closely.  Economic malfeasance by Wall St caused the entire world to go through some hard times.  Certain countries did better than others, but every first world country or emerging economy felt the damage.


Oh yeah, the US economy collapsing would certainly be felt around the globe, but i don't see any good reason other economies would collapse along with it. Would just take a lot of adjusting.
 
2013-02-23 05:21:37 PM
Wow, this reminds me of the post 2004 election in the US when the Democrats had no real leader and the Republicans had the presidency along with both houses of congress. Fox News was championing how they killed the Democratic Party and Republicans were going to hold power for the next generation because they were going to fix Medicare, Social Security, immigration, and the deficit. Fast forward to 2006 and the Democrats take the House and Senate and 2008 take the Presidency ( with a black guy).
 
2013-02-23 05:27:37 PM
Unless the Republicans create a platform voters want enacted, their only hope is gerrymandering and voter suppression.
 
2013-02-23 05:28:23 PM
Subby Canada is fine but when the US goes down, it is going to drag everyone and everything down with it.
 
2013-02-23 05:40:17 PM
The US will Balkanize sooner than it will collapse. The Northeast and Cascadia will do okay, at least until the NeoConfederacy fires on Fort Bidden.
 
2013-02-23 05:48:18 PM
Actually, if the economy crashes, who's funding the military and all the nukes in the world?
 
2013-02-23 06:06:07 PM
Yeah, with all that socialized healthcare, higher taxes, dual official languages and gun control I'm sure Conservatives will be just lining up to get into Canada
 
2013-02-23 06:25:58 PM

randomjsa: nmemkha: Difficulty:

[i.qkme.me image 600x400]

Except for all intents and purposes Socialism and Communism are indistinguishable from each other. I feel sorry for people who are committed socialists, because at least the communists despise what their government does to them.


Please expand on your assertions with citations because anyone who is even vaguely knowledgeable on the subject knows you are laughably full of shiat.

/Keep farking that chicken
//Are we not entertained?
 
2013-02-23 06:44:05 PM

dennysgod: Yeah, with all that socialized healthcare, higher taxes, dual official languages and gun control I'm sure Conservatives will be just lining up to get into Canada


Oh but they will. Because they are basically stupid idiots who think the rest of the world is begging them to be part of their country. For that reason, Cons get all worked up over other countries because they spend about 0.0000012 seconds actually researching the country they fantasize about emigrating to.

Just last year, right after the election there was a common Conservative wish to emigrate to Australia..... then those pesky facts that Republicans like to dismiss started to surface......

resources2.news.com.au
 
2013-02-23 06:58:24 PM
"Where Liberty is, there is my country." Ben Franklin
 
2013-02-23 07:01:27 PM

LargeCanine: "Where Liberty is, there is my country." Ben Franklin


http://www.bartleby.com/73/1057.html
 
2013-02-23 07:05:30 PM
that's the beauty of it. Liberalism is so fundamentally flawed in so many ways, just not being a rape fanatic bible thumper is enough for a conservative to win an election. GOP forgets this.
 
2013-02-23 07:07:24 PM

rustypouch: Among other things, what really bothers me about Harper is his anti-science stance, cutting federal funding to scientians, and not even allowing them to talk to the press unless pre-approved, and having minders following them around at conferences.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/andrew-weaver/harper-environment-cuts_b _1 549652.html


It really is the worse thing he is doing right now.  Loyal scientists who have dedicated their career to the public services.  People that have 30 years in as a geophysicist (for example), don't really have skills portable to the private sector.

Now for any project (e.g., fracking), you will have the industry studies and the studies paid for by the special interests.  You wont be able to have the actual independent perspective (truth) of the situation.  Certainly gives the edge to industry.
 
2013-02-23 07:14:30 PM

Halli: LargeCanine: "Where Liberty is, there is my country." Ben Franklin

http://www.bartleby.com/73/1057.html


Or, maybe it is right here! (map)

In img1.fark.net no less!
 
2013-02-23 07:19:16 PM
mrshowrules:
3) Canadian Conservatives are staying in power by not trying to be complete idiots like some Conservatives in the US (therefore Liberal influence/ideology is still alive and well)

Unfortunately, half their strategy is to appeal to centrist non-loonies by staying out of "morality" issues like religion, abortion etc, BUT the other half is to manipulate Parliament and cheat the electoral process, suppress voters, and deceive the public like it's going out of style.  It's not like they're respectable politicians.

links136:
Here's the thing most people realize. I can by a cheap student fiddle made by a machine for $100. I'd much rather buy a $2000 hand-made violin. The quality isn't even a contest.

You chose a wildly un-representative item.  Most mass-produced items are not at all like musical instruments.
 
2013-02-23 07:23:44 PM
"Conservative" in Canada:
1. Does not mean fighting abortion to the point that you believe that rape is no reason for an abortion (because after a legitimate rape the whole thing shuts down).
2. Does not mean fighting against gay rights at every turn.
3. Does not mean demonizing Mexicans.
4. Does not mean being horny to dump all treasure to war and weapons.
5. Does not mean denial of evolution and science.
6. Does not mean tying up the government because the president is black.

It does mean that you have a portrait of Queen Elizabeth ll on a coin called "The Loonie".
 
2013-02-23 08:01:28 PM

No Such Agency: mrshowrules:
3) Canadian Conservatives are staying in power by not trying to be complete idiots like some Conservatives in the US (therefore Liberal influence/ideology is still alive and well)

Unfortunately, half their strategy is to appeal to centrist non-loonies by staying out of "morality" issues like religion, abortion etc, BUT the other half is to manipulate Parliament and cheat the electoral process, suppress voters, and deceive the public like it's going out of style.  It's not like they're respectable politicians.

links136:
Here's the thing most people realize. I can by a cheap student fiddle made by a machine for $100. I'd much rather buy a $2000 hand-made violin. The quality isn't even a contest.

You chose a wildly un-representative item.  Most mass-produced items are not at all like musical instruments.


Which brings me to the whole car analogy, and the point I was trying to make, value, quality and durability.

And while it's true most items arn't like art, it's also worth noting a musical instruments is one of the safest investments you can make.  They increase in value as they age, due to the aging of the wood.

Another thing to note, I recently purchased a $1200 125 year old german violin for how much?  $40.  Why?  The wooden pegs had been changed to machine ones, and due to the rough condition, it had to be *restored* to it's *original* condition in order to sell market value, which would have taken $1200 to do.  Of course, I love the machine pegs and the character it has, so because it simply didn't *look* $1200, I got it for 1/30th of the value, even though it plays phenomenally and is the greatest violin i've ever played, literally for $40 dollars, better than my $1000 one. (this isn't a joke or made up story either)

In other words, we have an economy valued based on how things look, and not what they do, which is why we're so farked right now.

My mother also has a teacher friend who has a hobby of taking old boats and restoring them then selling them.  He makes more doing that than teaching.
 
2013-02-23 08:20:01 PM

skullkrusher: that's the beauty of it. Liberalism is so fundamentally flawed in so many ways, just not being a rape fanatic bible thumper is enough for a conservative to win an election. GOP forgets this.


This would only be true if you had any significant number of politicians which were actually true Liberals.
 
2013-02-23 08:52:19 PM

mrshowrules: skullkrusher: that's the beauty of it. Liberalism is so fundamentally flawed in so many ways, just not being a rape fanatic bible thumper is enough for a conservative to win an election. GOP forgets this.

This would only be true if you had any significant number of politicians which were actually true Liberals.


yeah, it's almost as if there aren't a significant number of them because they are unelectable
 
2013-02-23 09:10:51 PM

Via Infinito: I'm thinking that Canadian conservatives are nothing like American ones, but I've never lived there.

What do you Canadian Farkers think?


Canadian conservatives are capable of as strong herp-a-derp as their southern cousins. The big difference is in quantity. The real nutters make up a much smaller percentage of the party than they do in the States. Also they don't have a really strong base outside of some parts of the prairies so they have to keep somewhat broad appeal. There is little in the way of Gerrymandering in Canada so the people pick their representatives instead of parties picking which voters they want.

Much of their current success can be attributed to Canada's Weeners the pole system (they don't do run-off elections like in some parts of the US) and a general sense of disengagement by the public who really just wanted to not have to vote in another election. Plus the national Liberal Party has been rather bumbling. The fact that the New Democratic Party did so well in the last election indicates the left is alive and well in Canada, it's just not concentrated in a single party. Even the Green Party has a seat in the House of Commons and receives a respectable percentage of the vote during elections.
 
2013-02-23 10:38:50 PM

skullkrusher: mrshowrules: skullkrusher: that's the beauty of it. Liberalism is so fundamentally flawed in so many ways, just not being a rape fanatic bible thumper is enough for a conservative to win an election. GOP forgets this.

This would only be true if you had any significant number of politicians which were actually true Liberals.

yeah, it's almost as if there aren't a significant number of them because they are unelectable


But I was told that Obama is liberally the most libbiest lib that ever libbed!!!  Is it too late to change my vote?

/Maybe I could borrow his time machine . . .
 
2013-02-23 11:32:32 PM
Because traditional Chinese society is what Canada should embrace?

//Not racist.
///Just really confused at that logic.
 
2013-02-24 01:06:26 AM
If you are an American conservative who is depressed about future trends, you might want to learn the words to "Oh Canada"

Or how to spell "O Canada."
 
2013-02-24 10:21:04 AM
I vote Democrat, because it's the Party of lesser stupid - Abraham Lincoln 1776
 
2013-02-24 10:53:09 AM

HighOnCraic: skullkrusher: mrshowrules: skullkrusher: that's the beauty of it. Liberalism is so fundamentally flawed in so many ways, just not being a rape fanatic bible thumper is enough for a conservative to win an election. GOP forgets this.

This would only be true if you had any significant number of politicians which were actually true Liberals.

yeah, it's almost as if there aren't a significant number of them because they are unelectable

But I was told that Obama is liberally the most libbiest lib that ever libbed!!!  Is it too late to change my vote?

/Maybe I could borrow his time machine . . .


why are Democrats and self-described liberals so satisfied with the best Republican President of the past 50 years?
Republicans love to talk about Obama's crypto-marxism. Democrats love to talk about Obama's Eisenhower Republicanism. See? Both sides ARE stupid.
 
2013-02-24 10:54:11 AM
Canada will be hurting from Harper for a long time. our science minister is a creationist and our women's minister is pro life, how does that even happen?
 
2013-02-24 12:33:08 PM
I am literally a card carrying member of the Canadian PC party, and I would vote Obama if I could vote in the US.

In Canada "right wing extremist" positions on healthcare are views allowing for the  option of a for profit private clinic, even ones that grant health services completely free to the patient and bill the government.  In Canada this is considered to be "American style" health care and placing money above health.

In America Obama is considered a communist for having a position that supports the  option of a government insurance program that pays private for profit clinics and health providers.

American conservatives need only look at Canada to see that more extremist viewpoints alienate voters and drive the party into the wilderness...the article doesn't mention how they were locked out of power for 16 years until the moved back into the centre where the vets are.
 
2013-02-24 12:35:22 PM
Errr where the votes are, I don't presume to know where vets vote.
 
2013-02-24 06:52:57 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Don't sully Canada.  Send the farkers to Australia.


Republicans would not like Australia one little bit. We have gun control, universal healthcare, and a female Prime Minister leading a lefty government.

They would feel more at home in Russia - low income taxes, an authoritarian government, and a disdain for personal liberty.
 
2013-02-24 06:53:58 PM

Via Infinito: I'm thinking that Canadian conservatives are nothing like American ones, but I've never lived there.

What do you Canadian Farkers think?


American conservatives are Democrats. The Republicans are authoritarians.
 
2013-02-25 04:51:40 PM

links136: No Such Agency: mrshowrules:
3) Canadian Conservatives are staying in power by not trying to be complete idiots like some Conservatives in the US (therefore Liberal influence/ideology is still alive and well)

Unfortunately, half their strategy is to appeal to centrist non-loonies by staying out of "morality" issues like religion, abortion etc, BUT the other half is to manipulate Parliament and cheat the electoral process, suppress voters, and deceive the public like it's going out of style.  It's not like they're respectable politicians.

links136:
Here's the thing most people realize. I can by a cheap student fiddle made by a machine for $100. I'd much rather buy a $2000 hand-made violin. The quality isn't even a contest.

You chose a wildly un-representative item.  Most mass-produced items are not at all like musical instruments.

Which brings me to the whole car analogy, and the point I was trying to make, value, quality and durability.

And while it's true most items arn't like art, it's also worth noting a musical instruments is one of the safest investments you can make.  They increase in value as they age, due to the aging of the wood.

Another thing to note, I recently purchased a $1200 125 year old german violin for how much?  $40.  Why?  The wooden pegs had been changed to machine ones, and due to the rough condition, it had to be *restored* to it's *original* condition in order to sell market value, which would have taken $1200 to do.  Of course, I love the machine pegs and the character it has, so because it simply didn't *look* $1200, I got it for 1/30th of the value, even though it plays phenomenally and is the greatest violin i've ever played, literally for $40 dollars, better than my $1000 one. (this isn't a joke or made up story either)

In other words, we have an economy valued based on how things look, and not what they do, which is why we're so farked right now.

My mother also has a teacher friend who has a hobby of taking old boats and restori ...


This is how I made money in real estate. Buy a solid, well built home that looked awful, invest in cosmetic repairs and sell at a ridiculous profit. It really is that easy (caveat- location dependant).
 
2013-02-26 03:30:23 AM

ryant123: Do you have any sources supporting this? I don't doubt it, but I want to know specifics (what was offloaded on to Provinces, for example).


I can speak to this.  Specifically, transfer payments for health care (mandated federally, managed provincially) took a hit.  Provinces that were in budget cutting mode anyways (like Alberta), ended up in a showdown with public service unions.   Provincial employees, hospital bed counts, nurses unions, teachers- all ended up taking a hit of some kind as a consequence.

Cuts to federal programs were pretty broad and impacted just about everyone.  A corporate tax cut was cancelled.  Defense, pensions, services, EI, R&D, and lots of other programs had their budgets cut, and not just superficially.  Some 45,000 government workers lost their jobs.

We were at the place that the US is now.  It's a painful adjustment, but less painful than the 2008 recession was.  The pain will be in the states- some will have the political fortitude to slash spending early, some will pile on the debt until they are out of choices.
 
2013-02-26 04:19:18 PM
I don't want any more retards in Canada.
 
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