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2013-02-23 09:28:15 AM  
There are a few flaws with that "reasoning", but if it gets rid of our more rabid "conservatives", I'm all for it.
 
2013-02-23 09:45:43 AM  
Note that Canadian Conservatives are slightly Left of US Democrats.
 
2013-02-23 09:46:49 AM  

Bladel: Note that Canadian Conservatives are slightly Left of US Democrats.


Sure, but don't tell our conservatives until they've moved.
 
2013-02-23 09:51:29 AM  

St_Francis_P: Bladel: Note that Canadian Conservatives are slightly Left of US Democrats.

Sure, but don't tell our conservatives until they've moved.


We could turn that into a reality show.  That would be kind of awesome.
 
2013-02-23 09:59:35 AM  
Didn't Karl Rove say the same thing about the US in 2004?
 
2013-02-23 10:00:01 AM  
mojoimage.com

"Hooray!"
 
2013-02-23 11:44:53 AM  
DRTFA but I would suggest:

1) Canadians are not very loyal to political parties (many flip-flop several times in their lifetime)

2) Conservatives are in power because the Liberal vote is split

3) Canadian Conservatives are staying in power by not trying to be complete idiots like some Conservatives in the US (therefore Liberal influence/ideology is still alive and well)
 
2013-02-23 11:48:07 AM  
That the Liberals have had a revolving door leadership void for the last three elections would have nothing at all to do with the Conservatives gaining incrementally with each election. Nope. The Author is jumping to some interesting conclusions there.
 
2013-02-23 11:57:13 AM  
Fine, but I refuse to learn the French part.


/Has sung both anthems at Cubs/Expos game years ago.
 
2013-02-23 12:18:15 PM  
Aw geez.  And they'll invariably end up here in Alberta.  Hey guys, we're closed for maintenance.  One of the Rockies fell over, and it'll take a while for us to reassemble it.  We'll let you know when we're open again.
 
2013-02-23 12:28:14 PM  
Justin will be named liberal leader and the liberals will regain their rightful place as a majority government. Because free pot for everyone. /one can dream, can't he?
 
2013-02-23 12:32:49 PM  
Don't sully Canada.  Send the farkers to Australia.
 
2013-02-23 12:40:32 PM  
Is that Jet Blue Election Protection contest still running?

Can I submit entries for conservatives on their behalf and for my benefit?
 
2013-02-23 12:58:01 PM  
I'm thinking that Canadian conservatives are nothing like American ones, but I've never lived there.

What do you Canadian Farkers think?
 
2013-02-23 01:00:43 PM  
I got no problem with sending some fundies deep into the Yukon. Like, right now.
 
2013-02-23 01:17:28 PM  

Via Infinito: I'm thinking that Canadian conservatives are nothing like American ones, but I've never lived there.

What do you Canadian Farkers think?


I've seen them saying a lot more recently that they've been copying a lot of GOP tactics and antics.
 
2013-02-23 01:31:13 PM  
We don't want them, you can have them, they're too fat for us, HEY! they're too fat for us.
 
2013-02-23 01:36:47 PM  

GAT_00: Via Infinito: I'm thinking that Canadian conservatives are nothing like American ones, but I've never lived there.

What do you Canadian Farkers think?

I've seen them saying a lot more recently that they've been copying a lot of GOP tactics and antics.


Good point.  It isn't that Harper is a moderate, but he's in an effectively Liberal country so he can't really pull any of the extreme Conservative bullshiat they try in the US because Canadians will flush him down the political shiatter so fast he won't have time to pack.
 
2013-02-23 02:20:02 PM  
I noticed in TFA that the Tories had to adjust their policies a bit to address the concerns of the middle class and immigrants.  Maybe the GOP should take a lesson.
 
2013-02-23 02:25:13 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Don't sully Canada.  Send the farkers to Australia.


They'll be just as out of touch with local conservatives there. Plus they'll hate driving on the other side of the road and the way that Aboriginal people are actually out in public there.
 
2013-02-23 02:53:25 PM  

St_Francis_P: There are a few flaws with that "reasoning", but if it gets rid of our more rabid "conservatives", I'm all for it.


We don't want 'em you can keep 'em too too nuts for meeeee! Too too nuts for meeee!
 
2013-02-23 02:55:03 PM  

Via Infinito: I'm thinking that Canadian conservatives are nothing like American ones, but I've never lived there.

What do you Canadian Farkers think?


You're 100% right.

FTA:
A coalition of influence and power has shifted to the West and Ontario suburbs, where the Tories are strong.

That's true, the Tories are strong in the west and in Ontario suburbs. But (for to give one example) the Canadian west is so "conservative" that Calgary elected a brown Muslim guy as mayor a couple years ago. Somehow, I don't think that would give much comfort to Republicans.
 
2013-02-23 02:55:11 PM  

mrshowrules: DRTFA but I would suggest:

1) Canadians are not very loyal to political parties (many flip-flop several times in their lifetime)

2) Conservatives are in power because the Liberal vote is split

3) Canadian Conservatives are staying in power by not trying to be complete idiots like some Conservatives in the US (therefore Liberal influence/ideology is still alive and well)


I managed to read the article and it boils down to this:

1) Power and influence is shifting to the west (ie: Alberta) which are strongholds for the Conservative Party.

2) Wave of immigration from Asia.

3) Quebec becoming less relevant.

Some main points:

"Harper's greatest achievement has been to forge, over four elections, a modern Conservative coalition with the potential to become an enduring force in Canadian politics, one that will long outlast him," write the authors.

Harper's rise to power has been slow but steady in the past decade. He kept Paul Martin's seemingly invincible Liberals to a minority in the 2004 election. Then he won Tory minorities in 2006 and 2008. And in 2011, in an election described by the book as a turning point in history, Harper won a majority.


"Harper and his closest advisers were the first to anticipate the tremendous political potential of the Big Shift," the book says.

"He recognized that the West was transforming from a region of protest to an emerging centre of power.

"He saw the potential of winning away immigrant voters from the Liberals. He exploited the growing frustration of the suburban middle class in Ontario with a federal agenda that was more interested in expanding entitlements than in giving them a tax break. He saw that crime, whatever the statistics might say, was a lurking concern for many."
 
2013-02-23 02:55:21 PM  

Vodka Zombie: St_Francis_P: Bladel: Note that Canadian Conservatives are slightly Left of US Democrats.

Sure, but don't tell our conservatives until they've moved.

We could turn that into a reality show.  That would be kind of awesome.


Conservative swap?
 
2013-02-23 02:58:42 PM  
i like how everytime somebody gets elected, whoever lost says they're moving to canada
 
2013-02-23 03:00:46 PM  

IgG4: Didn't Karl Rove say the same thing about the US in 2004?


^^^THIS^^^

It has been my observation that claims of "perpetually dominant" peak right before a party implodes.
 
2013-02-23 03:00:54 PM  
I'll see you and raise you one article by Canada's Right-Wing newspaper that says the exact opposite:

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/11/21/justin-trudeau-led-liberals- wo uld-win-election-backed-by-women-middle-aged-canadians-poll-suggests/
 
2013-02-23 03:02:07 PM  
Canada is what conservatives are trying to stop America from becoming.

They need to get their asses to Somalia.
 
2013-02-23 03:03:07 PM  

Mrtraveler01: mrshowrules: DRTFA but I would suggest:

1) Canadians are not very loyal to political parties (many flip-flop several times in their lifetime)

2) Conservatives are in power because the Liberal vote is split

3) Canadian Conservatives are staying in power by not trying to be complete idiots like some Conservatives in the US (therefore Liberal influence/ideology is still alive and well)

I managed to read the article and it boils down to this:

1) Power and influence is shifting to the west (ie: Alberta) which are strongholds for the Conservative Party.

2) Wave of immigration from Asia.

3) Quebec becoming less relevant.

Some main points:

"Harper's greatest achievement has been to forge, over four elections, a modern Conservative coalition with the potential to become an enduring force in Canadian politics, one that will long outlast him," write the authors.

Harper's rise to power has been slow but steady in the past decade. He kept Paul Martin's seemingly invincible Liberals to a minority in the 2004 election. Then he won Tory minorities in 2006 and 2008. And in 2011, in an election described by the book as a turning point in history, Harper won a majority.


"Harper and his closest advisers were the first to anticipate the tremendous political potential of the Big Shift," the book says.

"He recognized that the West was transforming from a region of protest to an emerging centre of power.

"He saw the potential of winning away immigrant voters from the Liberals. He exploited the growing frustration of the suburban middle class in Ontario with a federal agenda that was more interested in expanding entitlements than in giving them a tax break. He saw that crime, whatever the statistics might say, was a lurking concern for many."


Those are all valid points but he is also missing the three points I raised.  Plus, BC and Quebec are breaking more and more socialist.  The day the NDP and Liberal party merge or the Liberal party disappears, it is all over for the Conservatives.  I don't think Quebec is politically irrelevant (yet).  Elections are still won in Ontario and Quebec (mostly).
 
2013-02-23 03:06:34 PM  
A Lib/NDP coalition would destroy the Tories in one day... hell, either party could resurge given the realities (See my above post for one such hypothetical). We are not party-loyal up here.

And remember, Liberals are considered Centristsin this country.
 
2013-02-23 03:07:03 PM  
Any American Conservative who moved up here would be sorely disappointed, and not just because of the weather.  No Canadian politician could get away with trying to use the Bible as a history, biology, or sociology textbook, at least not in public.  Plus, Canadian Conservatives believe that there's a direct relationship to taxation and revenues, so no Supply-Side Jesus.
 
2013-02-23 03:11:16 PM  

mrshowrules: Mrtraveler01: mrshowrules: DRTFA but I would suggest:

1) Canadians are not very loyal to political parties (many flip-flop several times in their lifetime)

2) Conservatives are in power because the Liberal vote is split

3) Canadian Conservatives are staying in power by not trying to be complete idiots like some Conservatives in the US (therefore Liberal influence/ideology is still alive and well)

I managed to read the article and it boils down to this:

1) Power and influence is shifting to the west (ie: Alberta) which are strongholds for the Conservative Party.

2) Wave of immigration from Asia.

3) Quebec becoming less relevant.

Some main points:

"Harper's greatest achievement has been to forge, over four elections, a modern Conservative coalition with the potential to become an enduring force in Canadian politics, one that will long outlast him," write the authors.

Harper's rise to power has been slow but steady in the past decade. He kept Paul Martin's seemingly invincible Liberals to a minority in the 2004 election. Then he won Tory minorities in 2006 and 2008. And in 2011, in an election described by the book as a turning point in history, Harper won a majority.


"Harper and his closest advisers were the first to anticipate the tremendous political potential of the Big Shift," the book says.

"He recognized that the West was transforming from a region of protest to an emerging centre of power.

"He saw the potential of winning away immigrant voters from the Liberals. He exploited the growing frustration of the suburban middle class in Ontario with a federal agenda that was more interested in expanding entitlements than in giving them a tax break. He saw that crime, whatever the statistics might say, was a lurking concern for many."

Those are all valid points but he is also missing the three points I raised.  Plus, BC and Quebec are breaking more and more socialist.  The day the NDP and Liberal party merge or the Liberal party disappears, it is all ove ...


I agree.

I don't buy the whole "Canada is in the middle of a major shift in ideology" talking point that seems to be the theory behind this book.

I think it's more because the Conservatives have the momentum because:

A) The split between Liberals and NDP.
B) The Liberals lack the organization and don't have a person to unite behind like the Conservatives do with Harper.

As soon as those two issues are solved. I think we'll see more competitive elections down the road.

/observing from the United States
//Correct me if I got any of this wrong
 
2013-02-23 03:11:43 PM  
Difficulty:

i.qkme.me
 
2013-02-23 03:12:27 PM  

mrshowrules: GAT_00: Via Infinito: I'm thinking that Canadian conservatives are nothing like American ones, but I've never lived there.

What do you Canadian Farkers think?

I've seen them saying a lot more recently that they've been copying a lot of GOP tactics and antics.

Good point.  It isn't that Harper is a moderate, but he's in an effectively Liberal country so he can't really pull any of the extreme Conservative bullshiat they try in the US because Canadians will flush him down the political shiatter so fast he won't have time to pack.


Well, ever since he's gotten his majority, it's been scandal after scandal.  From widespread robo-calls misinforming constituents of false polling places, ( who knows how severe it actually was), to lying about the f-35 jets costs while cutting military pay and raising administration by 22%(which a former canadian army general spoke out against) to cutting something to do with pensions which probably pissed off alot of his base, to trying to bring fox news in (although that was years ago), to abolishing fresh water protections on thousands of lakes and rivers to trying to break the treaties to trying to selling canadian resources to china which china will bringing in their own workers, these resources are on reserve lands too without consulting them about anything (which is illegal).  I don't even want to research all the other shiat he's done.  Oh yeah, he also tried to introduce sub-prime mortgages to Bay street when he was first elected, to which they laughed him out of the room.

We've become so americanized we're falling for the same shiat that Bush fooled everyone with.  It pains me to see it but I hope we learned our lesson.  Judging by all the racism against natives showing up all over the last year i'm guessing not, and we're slowly following america with sticking our heads all the way into our asses.
 
2013-02-23 03:12:53 PM  
This is agitprop. Where is Nate Silver when you need him?
 
2013-02-23 03:13:10 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Don't sully Canada.  Send the farkers to Australia.


Socialized health care and a minimum wage that is liveable? That doesn't sound like something American conservatives would like very much. Then again, there's plenty of racism against the "abos" and the Asian immigrants, so maybe it would be a wash.
 
2013-02-23 03:14:05 PM  
We ain't fallin' fer jack shiat. This is like Canadian unskewedpolls.com.
 
2013-02-23 03:17:49 PM  

mrshowrules: DRTFA but I would suggest:

1) Canadians are not very loyal to political parties (many flip-flop several times in their lifetime)

2) Conservatives are in power because the Liberal vote is split

3) Canadian Conservatives are staying in power by not trying to be complete idiots like some Conservatives in the US (therefore Liberal influence/ideology is still alive and well)


3 is incorrect. They are just as bad and even worse in many cases as US conservatives.
 
2013-02-23 03:17:59 PM  
The Conservatives will be to the 21st Century what the Liberals were to the 20th?

Go on, pull the other one.

Granted the Cons have had great success to date employing American style attack ads and getting a lot of the recent immigrant vote through their use of propaganda and yes, the liberal vote is split between the NDP and the Liberals but Harper's time is running out as rumblings within his own party (some of whom share the American conservative "values" of hating on abortions, gays and immigrants ironically enough) and across the rest of the political spectrum (environmental concerns, reductions in the social safety net, defunding CBC, etc) increase in volume.

Plus a lot of the Conservative vote these days come from people who might not live to see the next couple of elections. So there's that.
 
2013-02-23 03:18:51 PM  
Oh so it'll be "don't build that bridge" over "build that bridge" for a while.
 
Ant
2013-02-23 03:20:04 PM  
FTFA: Waves of immigration, much of it from Asia, have brought conservative values triggered reptilian brain xenophobia.

Fixed that for them
 
2013-02-23 03:22:18 PM  
Americans need only look at what are the MAJOR political scandals in Canada over the last few years (real ones, not the one about the bar running out of Molson and poutine)

There was some push polling in the last election. Nothing even close to Karl Rove style, but it was big news, people were talking jail time.

Our Seal Team 6 (JTF 2) handed some terrorists over to Americans because we can't deal with that. This was a big farking deal here too, because of the whole torture thing. House inquiry convened, I believe.

A former Prime Minister (Mulrooney) was in a scandal about taking some money from a German lobbyist (Karlheinz Shreiber) on the order of a few hundred thousand dollars for an Airbus deal. This kind of thing barely causes US Senators to look up from their desk. They call that kind of corruption "Tuesday"

There are others, but I'm constantly amazed at the scope of what constitutes a scandal here in Canada compared to what I read about what happens every day in the US that is just business as usual.
 
2013-02-23 03:22:38 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Don't sully Canada.  Send the farkers to Australia.


I'm sure they'd all be happy to move to the country where their fascist hero was born. . .
 
2013-02-23 03:23:16 PM  

funmonger: This is agitprop. Where is Nate Silver when you need him?


He's probably taking a much deserved break and thinking about how many times more he'll demand the NY Times to pay him to blog on their site during the next election.
 
2013-02-23 03:24:00 PM  

links136: mrshowrules: GAT_00: Via Infinito: I'm thinking that Canadian conservatives are nothing like American ones, but I've never lived there.

What do you Canadian Farkers think?

I've seen them saying a lot more recently that they've been copying a lot of GOP tactics and antics.

Good point.  It isn't that Harper is a moderate, but he's in an effectively Liberal country so he can't really pull any of the extreme Conservative bullshiat they try in the US because Canadians will flush him down the political shiatter so fast he won't have time to pack.

Well, ever since he's gotten his majority, it's been scandal after scandal.  From widespread robo-calls misinforming constituents of false polling places, ( who knows how severe it actually was), to lying about the f-35 jets costs while cutting military pay and raising administration by 22%(which a former canadian army general spoke out against) to cutting something to do with pensions which probably pissed off alot of his base, to trying to bring fox news in (although that was years ago), to abolishing fresh water protections on thousands of lakes and rivers to trying to break the treaties to trying to selling canadian resources to china which china will bringing in their own workers, these resources are on reserve lands too without consulting them about anything (which is illegal).  I don't even want to research all the other shiat he's done.  Oh yeah, he also tried to introduce sub-prime mortgages to Bay street when he was first elected, to which they laughed him out of the room.

We've become so americanized we're falling for the same shiat that Bush fooled everyone with.  It pains me to see it but I hope we learned our lesson.  Judging by all the racism against natives showing up all over the last year i'm guessing not, and we're slowly following america with sticking our heads all the way into our asses.


This is all true. But looked at from an American lenz (as a Candadian), it's just quaint in its scope. I'm glad we fight for them, but man, the differences are stark.
 
Ant
2013-02-23 03:25:03 PM  

AverageJoe77: Conservative swap?


Yeah! The first show could be a conservative from North Korea, and a neo-con from the US.
 
2013-02-23 03:25:31 PM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: He's probably taking a much deserved break and thinking about how many times more he'll demand the NY Times to pay him to blog on their site during the next election.


My collection of polls, when averaged out, predict that you are 99% correct.
 
2013-02-23 03:29:05 PM  
Canadian's, unlikely Americans, vote for what is in their interest. They realize things like health care bills could bankrupt almost all of them so they voted for a public funded healthcare system and pay taxes for it.

In the US everyone is convinced they are going to be millionaires some day because they have that big idea they've been sitting on. Therefore they refuse to vote for taxes to find things they might need like health care, food safety or truth in advertising laws.

The mass delusion that goes on in large parts of the Conservative base would never survive in Canada. They'd end up in somewhere in Quebec and starve to death when no one will speak to them in English.
 
2013-02-23 03:33:36 PM  

Via Infinito: I'm thinking that Canadian conservatives are nothing like American ones, but I've never lived there.

What do you Canadian Farkers think?


I don't think they're alike at all. it's like a whole different political spectrum. of course, I've never lived in the States.

Of course, I have trouble defining American conservatism because of the difference between what American conservatives say they're for and what they actually do, so who knows.
 
2013-02-23 03:37:48 PM  

Gen. Patton Harvey Oswalt: links136: mrshowrules: GAT_00: Via Infinito: I'm thinking that Canadian conservatives are nothing like American ones, but I've never lived there.

What do you Canadian Farkers think?

I've seen them saying a lot more recently that they've been copying a lot of GOP tactics and antics.

Good point.  It isn't that Harper is a moderate, but he's in an effectively Liberal country so he can't really pull any of the extreme Conservative bullshiat they try in the US because Canadians will flush him down the political shiatter so fast he won't have time to pack.

Well, ever since he's gotten his majority, it's been scandal after scandal.  From widespread robo-calls misinforming constituents of false polling places, ( who knows how severe it actually was), to lying about the f-35 jets costs while cutting military pay and raising administration by 22%(which a former canadian army general spoke out against) to cutting something to do with pensions which probably pissed off alot of his base, to trying to bring fox news in (although that was years ago), to abolishing fresh water protections on thousands of lakes and rivers to trying to break the treaties to trying to selling canadian resources to china which china will bringing in their own workers, these resources are on reserve lands too without consulting them about anything (which is illegal).  I don't even want to research all the other shiat he's done.  Oh yeah, he also tried to introduce sub-prime mortgages to Bay street when he was first elected, to which they laughed him out of the room.

We've become so americanized we're falling for the same shiat that Bush fooled everyone with.  It pains me to see it but I hope we learned our lesson.  Judging by all the racism against natives showing up all over the last year i'm guessing not, and we're slowly following america with sticking our heads all the way into our asses.

This is all true. But looked at from an American lenz (as a Candadian), it's just quaint in its scope. I'm ...


Among other things, what really bothers me about Harper is his anti-science stance, cutting federal funding to scientians, and not even allowing them to talk to the press unless pre-approved, and having minders following them around at conferences.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/andrew-weaver/harper-environment-cuts_b _1 549652.html
 
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