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(NPR)   The U.S. Air Force is about to start bombing. Guam. With dead mice. Fueled by Tylenol. To save Hawaii. Michael Bay on standby   (npr.org) divider line 22
    More: Strange, U.S. Air Force, Michael Bay, Guam, Hawaii, air forces, tropical climate, Andersen Air Force Base  
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2013-02-23 11:42:42 AM  
2 votes:
" It's feared that they might show up elsewhere, such as Hawaii, if they hop rides on planes and ships leaving Guam.

I'm picturing snakes at the docks and airport with their tiny little carry-ons.
2013-02-23 09:53:31 AM  
2 votes:

Jon iz teh kewl: i personally can't tolerate tylenol, because i drink over 4 drinks a day, rendering my liver useless


You should be careful not to eat any dead mice then.
2013-02-23 09:50:30 AM  
2 votes:
I hope it doesn't tip over
2013-02-23 09:36:04 AM  
2 votes:
"As God as my witness, I thought dead mice could fly!"
2013-02-23 09:29:09 AM  
2 votes:
Why does sunny assume it's acetaminophen? Maybe they are methadone mice.
2013-02-23 09:28:03 AM  
2 votes:
I thought gorillas were the preferred method of snake deterrent....Oooooooh.  Guam wouldn't get cold enough to freeze them.  Makes sense.
2013-02-23 09:27:17 AM  
2 votes:
Those poor... What do we call them? Guambats? The Guamish? Guammy Bears?
2013-02-23 08:50:30 AM  
2 votes:
Plus, when wintertime rolls around, the mice simply freeze to death
2013-02-23 01:41:25 PM  
1 votes:
I've been hearing about Guam snakes for years, best solution I can figure is plastic easter eggs.

Put them in bird nests, the snakes eat them, can't digest them---dead snake.

Cost less than $0.01 each, never biodegrade, and stay in place until they are needed.
2013-02-23 01:29:12 PM  
1 votes:

boinkingbill: What happens if the mice turn into zombies and eat all the snakes' brains?


No problem.  The snakes can't become part of the Walking Dead.
2013-02-23 11:42:31 AM  
1 votes:

Pontious Pilates: Those poor... What do we call them? Guambats? The Guamish? Guammy Bears?


Guamanian. Though Guammy Bears sounds catchy.
2013-02-23 11:14:27 AM  
1 votes:

Jon iz teh kewl: Moonlightfox: Ghastly: Good luck with that. Using toxins to attempt a mass extermination of a species tends not to be too successful. The toxins may kill 99% of the species but then the remainder will reproduce and in a short while you've got a population that is immune to the poison. I believe they tried that with an invasive rabbit species in Australia and it ended up coming back stronger than ever.

Snakes aren't bacteria, a species of snake can't become immune to something in a fortnight.

By the way, to people flipping out, they have been using this method to control snake populations for years, because while tylenol is a lethal poison to snakes, it's mostly harmless to other wildlife. Not that that's an issue on Guam, because the snakes humans introduced there ate absolutely farking everything else on the whole damn island(or at least will have in a few years.)

i personally can't tolerate tylenol, because i drink over 4 drinks a day, rendering my liver useless


over 3 the label says! and nine is more than 3 and 4
2013-02-23 11:09:43 AM  
1 votes:

Karac: I was under the impression that snakes would only eat live prey?


Apparently are some other people. From TFA: "Some readers in the comments thread have expressed surprise that snakes would eat dead - not live - mice "

However, it's an incorrect impression.

Many snakes are perfectly happy to eat dead prey. I suspect they've tested this with brown tree snakes. Like many snake owners, I feed frozen. Not only is it more convenient (and less guilt-inducing because you're not buying your snake snacks in little boxes that say "Somebody loves me! I'm going home!") but no snake was ever bitten to death by a dead rat. On snake-feeding day, I just get some of the frozen rodents out, thaw them, and serve. I do warm them up, but given that when he was a hatchling my Pueblan milk snake would not so much as stick his head out of his hide box until the room was dark, which was more than enough time for his frozen/thawed mouse pup to cool back to room temperature, he was clearly hunting by scent, not temperature.

I've had no trouble transitioning wild-caught snakes to pre-killed prey -- in one case, when I couldn't get fish for a water snake one Pennsylvania winter, I fed him grocery-store fish sticks (breading removed). He smelled fish, found his fish sticks, and ate them right away. Three wild-caught garter snakes ate raw ground beef mixed with calcium and vitamins out of a dish, like tiny dogs -- and they bit off bite-sized pieces of it. That implies this was a pre-existing behavior: they were hardwired to bite off mouthfuls of soft, room-temperature meat. Snakes may scavenge more than we think, especially the species in Thamnophis and Nerodia.

/geek off
2013-02-23 11:00:38 AM  
1 votes:

Thats No Moose: Also, to those wondering if snakes eat dead mice, FTFA: ...


I thought snakes that do eat dead prey (is it prey if it's dead?) was a result of learned behaviour when they had been very hungry in the past and the types of snakes that will eat dead things will tend to not eat dead food if there are other food sources around.

If acetaminophen poisoning takes about 5 days in humans, how long does it take in mice and or snakes?  I assume it will kill by destroying the liver which is a very unpleasant way to go.  The dead mice aren't "dead mice walking?"
2013-02-23 10:48:38 AM  
1 votes:
at least the rodents don't feel pain when they hit the ground
although i would have given them opioids

or just killed them to begin with
peacefully of course
2013-02-23 10:19:58 AM  
1 votes:
Tylenol goes in the mice. Mice go in the snakes. Snakes go in the ground. Ground goes in the ground water. Ground water goes in your liver.

/I have no idea if this is true. It will probably be fine.
2013-02-23 10:16:00 AM  
1 votes:
It's too bad those silly wildlife biologists didn't ask about this on Fark first.

Rather than spending months...even years...studying the problem and coming up with the best solution possible, they could have gotten some dude that plays accordion for a living to tell them it will never work.
2013-02-23 10:14:46 AM  
1 votes:
Why not just organize an old-fashioned, Florida-style snake hunt?
2013-02-23 09:44:34 AM  
1 votes:

Moonlightfox: Ghastly: Good luck with that. Using toxins to attempt a mass extermination of a species tends not to be too successful. The toxins may kill 99% of the species but then the remainder will reproduce and in a short while you've got a population that is immune to the poison. I believe they tried that with an invasive rabbit species in Australia and it ended up coming back stronger than ever.

Snakes aren't bacteria, a species of snake can't become immune to something in a fortnight.

By the way, to people flipping out, they have been using this method to control snake populations for years, because while tylenol is a lethal poison to snakes, it's mostly harmless to other wildlife. Not that that's an issue on Guam, because the snakes humans introduced there ate absolutely farking everything else on the whole damn island(or at least will have in a few years.)


i personally can't tolerate tylenol, because i drink over 4 drinks a day, rendering my liver useless
2013-02-23 09:39:23 AM  
1 votes:
The planes are just getting the snakes back for that stupid movie.
2013-02-23 09:37:54 AM  
1 votes:
I was under the impression that snakes would only eat live prey?
2013-02-23 09:22:32 AM  
1 votes:
This sounds like a good time for Australia to return all those pesky cane toads we loaned them.
 
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