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(NPR)   The U.S. Air Force is about to start bombing. Guam. With dead mice. Fueled by Tylenol. To save Hawaii. Michael Bay on standby   ( npr.org) divider line
    More: Strange, U.S. Air Force, Michael Bay, Guam, Hawaii, air forces, tropical climate, Andersen Air Force Base  
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2013-02-23 11:51:21 AM  
With all the stories out there about this, it seems Subby was able to get the least informative one greened.
And some of the comments here would indicate that they have only read this article.
 
2013-02-23 12:42:41 PM  

BokChoy: Sounds like a silly, expensive plan that will end up killing a few thousand snakes at most.

What about DDT? Supposedly DDT is effective against snakes.  The whole reason DDT got banned was because it affected birds. But since there are no more birds on the island, this means DDT might actually have a use here.

Environmentalists would probably go farking ballistic though.


Jake Roberts does not approve.
 
2013-02-23 12:45:28 PM  

Ghastly: Good luck with that. Using toxins to attempt a mass extermination of a species tends not to be too successful. The toxins may kill 99% of the species but then the remainder will reproduce and in a short while you've got a population that is immune to the poison. I believe they tried that with an invasive rabbit species in Australia and it ended up coming back stronger than ever.


Yeah... you aren't going to breed snakes than can process tylenol. Maybe snakes that won't touch dead mice, but not tylenol.
 
2013-02-23 12:54:47 PM  
What happens if the mice turn into zombies and eat all the snakes' brains?
 
2013-02-23 01:29:12 PM  

boinkingbill: What happens if the mice turn into zombies and eat all the snakes' brains?


No problem.  The snakes can't become part of the Walking Dead.
 
2013-02-23 01:41:02 PM  
soooo..... why not teach the local population to hunt and eat the snakes?
 
2013-02-23 01:41:25 PM  
I've been hearing about Guam snakes for years, best solution I can figure is plastic easter eggs.

Put them in bird nests, the snakes eat them, can't digest them---dead snake.

Cost less than $0.01 each, never biodegrade, and stay in place until they are needed.
 
2013-02-23 01:57:43 PM  
I dreamed
I had to take a test
in a Dairy Queen
on another planet
 
2013-02-23 02:07:12 PM  
fotki.ykt.ru
Many mahalos, from my people.
 
2013-02-23 02:33:32 PM  
I read the headline and immediately knew what it would be about.  It sounds like a silly idea, but scientists have been on the ground in Guam studying the problem for decades.  It's one of the most famous, most intensely studied, and perhaps best understood (given the size of the island) instances of ecological disruption from invasive species.  I guarantee that if the plan doesn't work, it won't be because of a simple failure to think things through and apply math and common sense.
 
2013-02-23 03:06:00 PM  
I could have lived the rest of my life without knowing what's contained in TFA.

What a CF.

And of environmental proportions too
 
2013-02-23 03:10:40 PM  
just be careful to distribute the mice evenly, you don't wanna capsize the island
 
2013-02-23 03:21:54 PM  
douchebag/hater:


I could have lived the rest of my life without knowing what's contained in TFA.

What a CF.

And of environmental proportions too


Just wait until you hear how a cheap veterinary drug used on cattle caused a boom in rabid dogs and rats.
 
2013-02-23 05:00:53 PM  
For all of those wondering if snakes will eat dead prey - yes some species will. I had a cottonmouth bite chunks out of the entrails of a deer I had just finished dressing. Bold snake.
 
2013-02-23 06:12:02 PM  

walkerhound: Wonder why they haven't tried mongoose? Something that keeps working after taking out the first snake.


Because mongoose also have the tendency to go feral and to start going after native wildlife after killing off the snakes.  (Hawaii actually has had to institute a mongoose eradication program for this precise reason.)
 
2013-02-23 07:13:26 PM  

JerkyMeat: [fotki.ykt.ru image 640x480]
Many mahalos, from my people.


Izzy! Very cool dude. Too bad he died :(
 
2013-02-23 08:31:15 PM  
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2013-02-23 11:52:25 PM  

SnarfVader: Plus, when wintertime rolls around, the mice simply freeze to death


Stoned zombie mice are immune to cold.
 
2013-02-24 02:28:31 AM  

Ghastly: Good luck with that. Using toxins to attempt a mass extermination of a species tends not to be too successful. The toxins may kill 99% of the species but then the remainder will reproduce and in a short while you've got a population that is immune to the poison. I believe they tried that with an invasive rabbit species in Australia and it ended up coming back stronger than ever.


Just like DDT and mosquitos. They didn't stop using it because it was killing off all of the eagles but rather that it just wasn't effective anymore.
 
2013-02-24 02:31:21 AM  

ReverendJynxed: JerkyMeat: [fotki.ykt.ru image 640x480]
Many mahalos, from my people.

Izzy! Very cool dude. Too bad he died :(


Hmm...... something related to heart attack I'm guessing.  I know... probably a long shot.
 
2013-02-24 03:49:06 AM  

SpaceBison: Just like DDT and mosquitos. They didn't stop using it because it was killing off all of the eagles but rather that it just wasn't effective anymore.


Nice to see that someone else gets it.

I've seen people lately talking about DDT like it's some kind of miracle pesticide, and will solve all our problems if only those pesky environmentalists didn't care about things like bald eagles. Problem is .. it wasn't, and it isn't. When it was first introduced, it looked like a miracle because it was being used on totally naive populations. Rather like penicillin in that regard, actually, and about as useful as the original penicillin today. Overuse and improper use of DDT and other pesticides has given us the mosquito equivalents of MSRA. If you used DDT today on the same populations that it almost entirely wiped out a few decades ago, the bugs would laugh little tiny bug laughs because they -- unlike the predators that keep them in check -- have developed resistance to it, and in fact started doing so within a few years of its first use.

Mosquitoes are R-selectors -- that is, they have thousands of offspring that compete for survival, and rapidly restore their populations if something wipes out most of them. Most mosquitoes' predators are K-selectors -- they have only a few offspring, with proportionally more investment in each. (as extreme examples of each, consider oysters and elephants) Wipe out 99.99% of the mosquitoes in an area and the .01% that have a natural resistance to your pesticide (which, in the case of DDT, isn't uncommon) will repopulate that niche with resistant mosquitoes in a generation. But you've also killed off the mosquitoes' predators, and not only does it take a lot longer to restore a population of, say, geckos that have only a half-dozen offspring per year, but if you kill off 99.99% of them, the odds are that the survivors do not constitute a stable breeding population. So within a few years you have a nasty combination of DDT-resistant mosquitoes and no predators to eat them -- and an even worse problem than you started with.

If we had been continuously and widely using DDT for the past 50 years ... well, we wouldn't be. It would be a footnote in pesticide history, long ago replaced by ...  basically, by all the pesticides that have replaced it. Despite the fetishization of DDT by some people with an entire shed full of axes to grind, it's just a pesticide, and not a particularly remarkable one at that. We have better ones now.
 
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