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2013-02-23 05:38:17 AM  
I don't really believe in Supreme beings, or Karma or tempting fate.

But in this case, I'd made an exception. I'd feel so guilty about faking the need for a wheelchair that I'd probably paralyze myself.
 
2013-02-23 07:32:42 AM  
Fark Lourdes -- if you want to see the sick healed just go to Disney and watch the wheelchair-bound and mobility-scooter-bound leap from their chairs after cutting the line.
 
2013-02-23 08:26:03 AM  
While I don't fly very often anymore, I can promise you if I see someone doing that, I will happily call them out and ask them to explain the nature of the miracle that suddenly restored them to full mobility.


There's nothing like public shaming to help knock some of the self-entitlement out of these kind of people.
 
2013-02-23 08:49:34 AM  
Then there's my 80 year old father traveling to visit his sister,  who had to connect at Atlanta and go from Terminal A to C in one hour. He walks quite slowly. I tried to get him to ask for wheelchair service for the connection but he refused, said he's perfectly able to walk and they are for people who really need them.

/greatest generation.....
//I ended up book a flight with him to make sure he didn't get lost or something
///We made the connection
///On return flight we had enough time, so I got him into the lounge.  He was like "FREE WINE?" and downed three glasses in 30 minutes -- at 10am!
////Had a great time

farm9.staticflickr.com
 
2013-02-23 09:21:25 AM  

Winterlight: While I don't fly very often anymore, I can promise you if I see someone doing that, I will happily call them out and ask them to explain the nature of the miracle that suddenly restored them to full mobility.


There's nothing like public shaming to help knock some of the self-entitlement out of these kind of people.


These kind of people feel no shame.
 
2013-02-23 09:23:21 AM  

jehovahs witness protection: These kind of people feel no shame.


I think maybe a group of people walking in front them, shouting "Make way for the miracle walker!" all the way to their gate might bring about a wee bit of public embarrassment.
 
2013-02-23 09:28:01 AM  
It's not limited to airports. People do this at amusement parks too.
 
2013-02-23 09:28:32 AM  

jehovahs witness protection: Winterlight: While I don't fly very often anymore, I can promise you if I see someone doing that, I will happily call them out and ask them to explain the nature of the miracle that suddenly restored them to full mobility.


There's nothing like public shaming to help knock some of the self-entitlement out of these kind of people.

These kind of people feel no shame.

 
2013-02-23 09:53:23 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: if you want to see the sick healed


Posted this in the FBI Raids thread:

Many moons ago, I was a commuter airline pilot. I flew people all over the southwest. During Snowbird season, we had a lot of old folks who had trouble getting around. It was almost laughable how many needed wheelchairs. They'd come out to the airplane and we'd help them struggle up the six steps into our little turboprop.

One day we're doing the Phoenix to Yuma run and we get no less than 8 passengers in wheelchairs. It looked like a 4th of July parade as they wheeled out to the airplane. Keep in mind, this is a 19-seat airplane so now almost half the passengers are barely mobile (and frankly, they're dead if we catch fire and need to jump out in a hurry).

So we load and launch and about ten minutes out of Yuma, we call the station and tell them that we have 8 wheelchair people and they about quit right there. Yuma was a "big" station so at least it had two agents. But they had to do everything: check people in, handle the bags, tons of paperwork, escort people to the gate, and handle the wheelchairs.

So as we taxi in and pull up to our parking spot, we start laughing like crazy because they had miraculously come up with 8 wheelchairs and they were all lined up in the most perfectly straight line you ever saw. So, one by one our elderly folks struggled down the steps, and then walked right past those wheelchairs into the terminal. Not a one of them used a wheelchair.

Explanation #1: Pilots are God like and possess powers to heal the afflicted. Explanation #2: The power of vanity can never be underestimated. Those people were just determined to walk in so all their other old friends wouldn't think they were "old."
 
2013-02-23 10:01:07 AM  
I spent a fair amount of time in a wheel chair (open book pelvic fracture) and that is something I'd rather not go through again.
 
Pud
2013-02-23 10:26:42 AM  

jehovahs witness protection: Winterlight: While I don't fly very often anymore, I can promise you if I see someone doing that, I will happily call them out and ask them to explain the nature of the miracle that suddenly restored them to full mobility.


There's nothing like public shaming to help knock some of the self-entitlement out of these kind of people.

These kind of people feel no shame.


Probably because they've never actually faced the hardships that would make that a necessity. I'll bet most people that actually need a wheelchair would give everything they own to never take that seat again.
 
2013-02-23 10:40:06 AM  

Winterlight: While I don't fly very often anymore, I can promise you if I see someone doing that, I will happily call them out and ask them to explain the nature of the miracle that suddenly restored them to full mobility.


There's nothing like public shaming to help knock some of the self-entitlement out of these kind of people.


As a frequent business traveler I have seen these people go up to the front with wheelchair assist, then suddenly get up and miraculously make it to their chair.

I have better things to do being in line with my phone than to start arguing with some idiot member of the public. You have a go, see if they kick you off for starting something the airline employee already signed off on and approved.
 
2013-02-23 11:27:15 AM  
Walter put it best: 'I saw a healthy man get out of his car after parking in a handicap spot, so I hit him my car and made a honest man out of him.  The lady with the crutches sure was pissed, though.'
 
2013-02-23 11:55:35 AM  

minoridiot: I spent a fair amount of time in a wheel chair (open book pelvic fracture) and that is something I'd rather not go through again.


Holy shiat that sounds REALLY unpleasant.  How would they immobilize something like that?
 
2013-02-23 11:59:03 AM  

lack of warmth: Walter put it best: 'I saw a healthy man get out of his car after parking in a handicap spot, so I hit him my car and made a honest man out of him.  The lady with the crutches sure was pissed, though.'


I worked with a guy who has MS who qualified for handicap tags. He was able bodied and almost never used them (except for sporting events).  With the exception of a couple bouts a year, no one would ever think anything was wrong with him. But he still has MS.

I am a fan of the whole "judge not" philosophy.
 
2013-02-23 12:05:29 PM  

weave: Then there's my 80 year old father traveling to visit his sister...


Ha! That cat even looks like he'd be fun to travel with.
 
2013-02-23 12:09:14 PM  
Great, lets give more people the idea...
 
2013-02-23 12:09:35 PM  

basemetal: jehovahs witness protection: Winterlight: While I don't fly very often anymore, I can promise you if I see someone doing that, I will happily call them out and ask them to explain the nature of the miracle that suddenly restored them to full mobility.


There's nothing like public shaming to help knock some of the self-entitlement out of these kind of people.

These kind of people feel no shame.


Shame and dishonor doesn't exist in America anymore.
 
2013-02-23 12:11:06 PM  
Make them crippled for real.

Problem solved.
 
2013-02-23 12:24:03 PM  
"But the most common scenario involves passengers who rely on wheelchair assistance to cut to the front of the security screening line-then stand up and walk to their gate. "We call them miracles," one wheelchair attendant tells McCartney.  "

My mother has MS, she can walk short distances when she is having a good day, but on bad days more than 100 meters at a time or standing for more than 5 minutes is out of the question, especially if she is tired from a long flight where she can't move her legs and has jetlag.  Just because someone can walk a short distance from the gate to their seat doesn't mean that they are faking it. There are a number of reasons that someone will need a wheelchair but can make it a few meters without one that aren't them being a lazy jerk or trying to skip a line.
 
2013-02-23 12:33:07 PM  

ar_gyrion: "But the most common scenario involves passengers who rely on wheelchair assistance to cut to the front of the security screening line-then stand up and walk to their gate. "We call them miracles," one wheelchair attendant tells McCartney.  "

My mother has MS, she can walk short distances when she is having a good day, but on bad days more than 100 meters at a time or standing for more than 5 minutes is out of the question, especially if she is tired from a long flight where she can't move her legs and has jetlag.  Just because someone can walk a short distance from the gate to their seat doesn't mean that they are faking it. There are a number of reasons that someone will need a wheelchair but can make it a few meters without one that aren't them being a lazy jerk or trying to skip a line.


Too bad, she still looks like a royal coont to the rest of us if/when she pulls that stunt.
 
2013-02-23 12:36:54 PM  

ar_gyrion: Just because someone can walk a short distance from the gate to their seat doesn't mean that they are faking it.


Show me the airport where there is just a "short distance" from the security checkpoint to the gate.

/ Hint: your mother is not the person the screeners are talking about
 
2013-02-23 12:43:49 PM  
If you stand up after the security checkpoints, one of the security guards should give you a rifle butt to the knee. Then you can be wheeled to your gate.
 
2013-02-23 12:44:28 PM  
so...not let anyone budge at all?
 
2013-02-23 12:47:16 PM  
Easy solution:
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if they put a foot forward to catch themselves, then charge them an inconvenience fee.
 
2013-02-23 12:49:17 PM  
Don't skip the wheelchairs to the front of the line. Make them wheel through the line like everyone else. Without that advantage, the problem will go away
 
2013-02-23 12:51:32 PM  
About 15 years ago we flew somewhere with my mother in law.  She had a hard time walking but refused to use a cane or walker, let alone a wheelchair.  We weren't going to make the flight at the speed she was moving so the ticket agent got her a wheelchair.  We didn't know wheelchairs moved to the front of the line, and boarded first.  Lillian hated that, and I felt awkward.  She did much protesting and moaning, not because we forced her into a wheelchair, but because she was moved to the front of the line.

Never got her into another wheelchair.

/ RIP Lillian, greatest mother in law ever
 
2013-02-23 12:53:52 PM  
There are people who need wheelchairs and then are people like Kramer and George Costanza who don't need one, but just want to get a handicap parking spot.
 
2013-02-23 01:11:36 PM  
Sadly, this isn't a new thing. Been going on for many years.
 
2013-02-23 01:16:38 PM  
And not a single Lebowski reference yet. For shame.
 
2013-02-23 01:21:35 PM  
I wish more people would use wheelchairs and courtesy carts.  Mostly the edge of dehydration old folks dragging carry-ons.
Seen many struggle not realizing how long some of the terminals and intra airport routes are.  Particularly in the mega airports..  Hong Kong, Narita, O'Hare, ect..
I am also completely cool with cart lanes in the terminals.
 
2013-02-23 01:38:14 PM  
Maybe I'm in the minority here, but at the airport, getting into a wheelchair means you get the full government-issued massage courtesy of the TSA.   I'll stand in line to avoid that, thank you.
 
2013-02-23 01:50:56 PM  
After a short stint in the hospital a few weeks ago I'm having to use the mobile chair things to shop at larger stores (just can't walk very far without having to have a sit)

Embarrassing as hell, I'm sure people think I'm just overweight and lazy
 
2013-02-23 02:05:32 PM  

weave: Then there's my 80 year old father traveling to visit his sister,  who had to connect at Atlanta and go from Terminal A to C in one hour. He walks quite slowly. I tried to get him to ask for wheelchair service for the connection but he refused, said he's perfectly able to walk and they are for people who really need them.

/greatest generation.....
//I ended up book a flight with him to make sure he didn't get lost or something
///We made the connection
///On return flight we had enough time, so I got him into the lounge.  He was like "FREE WINE?" and downed three glasses in 30 minutes -- at 10am!
////Had a great time

[farm9.staticflickr.com image 375x500]


Is drinking 3 glasses of wine before 1100 frowned upon?  Errr....
 
2013-02-23 02:19:02 PM  
These people, and anyone who defends them, should be shot.

/in a wheelchair permanently
//flying is one of the worst experiences you can have
///always get hassled by security.
 
2013-02-23 02:44:37 PM  

ramblinwreck: weave: Then there's my 80 year old father traveling to visit his sister,  who had to connect at Atlanta and go from Terminal A to C in one hour. He walks quite slowly. I tried to get him to ask for wheelchair service for the connection but he refused, said he's perfectly able to walk and they are for people who really need them.

/greatest generation.....
//I ended up book a flight with him to make sure he didn't get lost or something
///We made the connection
///On return flight we had enough time, so I got him into the lounge.  He was like "FREE WINE?" and downed three glasses in 30 minutes -- at 10am!
////Had a great time

[farm9.staticflickr.com image 375x500]

Is drinking 3 glasses of wine before 1100 frowned upon?  Errr....


It doesn't count when you're flying.  Time zones.  Works for me.
 
2013-02-23 03:11:17 PM  

Winterlight: Show me the airport where there is just a "short distance" from the security checkpoint to the gate.


Kansas City International - best designed airport ever. You can park, check in, go through security, and walk to your gate without traveling more than like 500 feet.

/obviously that's the exception though
 
2013-02-23 03:25:08 PM  

Winterlight: ar_gyrion: Just because someone can walk a short distance from the gate to their seat doesn't mean that they are faking it.

Show me the airport where there is just a "short distance" from the security checkpoint to the gate.

/ Hint: your mother is not the person the screeners are talking about


I can tell you don't travel much.

Liberal, Garden City, Cortez, Telluride, Visalia, Bellingham, Alexandria, Akron, Santa Barbara, Athens, Macon, Dubois, McCook, Chadron, North Platte, Miles City, Wolf Point, Glendive, Glasgow, and many more.

Disclaimer:  I used to inspect U.S. airports, there are hundreds of airports where you don't even go through security until the plane has landed and everyone gotten off.
 
2013-02-23 03:26:08 PM  

dethmagnetic: Winterlight: Show me the airport where there is just a "short distance" from the security checkpoint to the gate.

Kansas City International - best designed airport ever. You can park, check in, go through security, and walk to your gate without traveling more than like 500 feet.

/obviously that's the exception though


That's a horribly designed airport.  If you connect you fly in, leave security, walk 20 ft and have to go through another checkpoint, hope you didnt have any liquids you bought after security elsewhere.
 
2013-02-23 03:28:40 PM  
Benny Hinn approves of these shenanigans.
 
2013-02-23 03:42:52 PM  
TiiiMMMaHHH: If they put a foot forward to catch themselves, then charge them an inconvenience fee give them a reason to need a wheelchair.
 
2013-02-23 03:54:08 PM  

Winterlight: There's nothing like public shaming to help knock some of the self-entitlement out of these kind of people.


If by "shaming" you mean "beating", I'm on board.
 
2013-02-23 04:27:37 PM  

Girion47: dethmagnetic: Winterlight: Show me the airport where there is just a "short distance" from the security checkpoint to the gate.

Kansas City International - best designed airport ever. You can park, check in, go through security, and walk to your gate without traveling more than like 500 feet.

/obviously that's the exception though

That's a horribly designed airport.  If you connect you fly in, leave security, walk 20 ft and have to go through another checkpoint, hope you didnt have any liquids you bought after security elsewhere.


When it was designed it made sense and was pretty neat (or so I'm told). I flew through there once in pre-9/11 days and it was a piece of cake, even making a connection across terminals.

Now, though, the design sucks. It just wasn't designed with modern security "needs" in mind.
 
2013-02-23 04:33:49 PM  
Somebody at Marketwatch saw the movie  Take This Waltzand thought, "I'll bet this is a trend!"
 
2013-02-23 04:49:24 PM  

MBrady: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Fark Lourdes -- if you want to see the sick healed just go to Disney and watch the wheelchair-bound and mobility-scooter-bound leap from their chairs after cutting the line.

stroller people - I hate the stroller people who think they have a tank that can "push" you along by hitting you in the ankles.


if someone who was scooter-fat ever hit me in the ankles, I'd have to fall and catch myself on one of their chins.  With my elbow.  Two oops' cancel eachother out, after all.
 
2013-02-23 05:55:48 PM  
The long haul flights to India out of YYZ look like a formula 1 start with 40+ wheel chairs all lined up in 4 or 5 columns. The first time I saw it I almost burst out laughing. To be fair most were quite old and likely suffered from severe malnutrition as kids. A lot from that generation look like they have rickets.
 
2013-02-23 06:00:20 PM  
My mom anguishes over the fact that she has to call for a wheelchair if they give her a connecting flight a mile away with a 40 minute window.  She is a 79 year old widow with 2 metal hips.  If she has a window of an hour or more, she hoofs it.
 
2013-02-23 06:26:08 PM  
go to any Walmart in Palm Beach County, FL and see who is cruising the store on the store-provided electric scooters.
 
2013-02-23 06:41:35 PM  

Ambivalence: minoridiot: I spent a fair amount of time in a wheel chair (open book pelvic fracture) and that is something I'd rather not go through again.

Holy shiat that sounds REALLY unpleasant.  How would they immobilize something like that?


For me, I was confined to a bed for a bit in order to allow the hips to heal.  My pelvis only has a 3 cm separation, but if the separation was any more they would have put in a plate to stablize things.
 
2013-02-23 07:02:50 PM  

Lost Thought 00: Don't skip the wheelchairs to the front of the line. Make them wheel through the line like everyone else. Without that advantage, the problem will go away


The idea is to free up the chair and its attendant as soon as possible.
 
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