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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-02-22 10:59:47 PM  
According to the Ohio Department of Public Safety, there is no law requiring a bartender to report a drunken-driver.

In some states it's wrongful discharge to fire a worker for reporting a crime. That's one of the limited exceptions to the "employment at will" rule.
 
2013-02-22 11:04:32 PM  
Isn't it illegal to serve someone you know is already drunk anyway pretty much everywhere?  I know at least in some states the bar owner could use that as a reason to fire her.  She admitted serving an already visibly intoxicated guy more beer, why not just say that you were scared of the liability of keeping a bartender on who knowingly gave someone who was already drunk more alcohol?
 
2013-02-22 11:38:44 PM  

davidphogan: Isn't it illegal to serve someone you know is already drunk anyway pretty much everywhere?  I know at least in some states the bar owner could use that as a reason to fire her.  She admitted serving an already visibly intoxicated guy more beer, why not just say that you were scared of the liability of keeping a bartender on who knowingly gave someone who was already drunk more alcohol?


Yeah, but I've never understood that.  When I was in college and living in downtown DC, we'd be hammered every weekend and no one ever said "we can't serve you."  Some of us would pass out at the bar, nap for two hours, then wake up and start all over again.
 
2013-02-22 11:38:46 PM  

davidphogan: Isn't it illegal to serve someone you know is already drunk anyway pretty much everywhere?  I know at least in some states the bar owner could use that as a reason to fire her.  She admitted serving an already visibly intoxicated guy more beer, why not just say that you were scared of the liability of keeping a bartender on who knowingly gave someone who was already drunk more alcohol?


The manager is an honest man, obviously.
 
2013-02-22 11:54:44 PM  
FTA: Bartenders are prohibited from serving an intoxicated person and could be held liable for any crash or injury that results, though.

Also FTA: "He said, 'I'm going to have to fire you, because it's bad for business to have a bartender that will call the cops,'" DeVito said.


Someone needs to remind the bartender's former boss that it would be far worse if the drunken driver caused an accident that resulted in someone's death. The family of the deceased would have every right to sue the bar into oblivion.
 
2013-02-22 11:57:32 PM  
.167? Pfft, amateur. I blew .26 at the jail.

At least that coont won't bartend ever again.

Google search: "Twyla DeVito"
 
2013-02-22 11:59:34 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: Someone needs to remind the bartender's former boss that it would be far worse if the drunken driver caused an accident that resulted in someone's death. The family of the deceased would have every right to sue the bar into oblivion.


Yes, but he had an out for firing her he was too dumb to use as well, since she admitted to serving an intoxicated person.
 
2013-02-23 12:02:01 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: FTA: Bartenders are prohibited from serving an intoxicated person and could be held liable for any crash or injury that results, though.

Also FTA: "He said, 'I'm going to have to fire you, because it's bad for business to have a bartender that will call the cops,'" DeVito said.


Someone needs to remind the bartender's former boss that it would be far worse if the drunken driver caused an accident that resulted in someone's death. The family of the deceased would have every right to sue the bar into oblivion.


Mheh, if she did nothing to avert his leaving, that would be like giving a toddler a loaded gun and she should be liable.

I'm sure that if she told him she would call the cops he would have made other arraingments.
 
2013-02-23 12:25:30 AM  
What was the drunk guy 's fark handle
 
2013-02-23 12:44:53 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: FTA: Bartenders are prohibited from serving an intoxicated person and could be held liable for any crash or injury that results, though.

Also FTA: "He said, 'I'm going to have to fire you, because it's bad for business to have a bartender that will call the cops,'" DeVito said.


Someone needs to remind the bartender's former boss that it would be far worse if the drunken driver caused an accident that resulted in someone's death. The family of the deceased would have every right to sue the bar into oblivion.


1) what kind of ASSHOLE fires someone for looking out for public safety?
2) what kind of VET drives drunk and then gets someone fired over it??

And the whole "not serving a drunk person", my guess is that there isnt a bar in the country that hasnt served a drunk person today.  Some of us cab or walk to bars. Why is there an issue about us getting drunk? IT IS WHAT HAPPENS when you drink in bars ... LOL
 
2013-02-23 12:48:24 AM  

PreMortem: I'm sure that if she told him she would call the cops he would have made other arraingments.


mhmm
like it is her job to deal with every rude and deadly drunk?
FTA: she tried to slow down serving him ... this guy was a regular

my guess is that this guy has been a tool for a long time. she tried to stop him and slow serve him. probably tried to talk the keys out of him this time or before. my guess is that he will get off with a warning.
fark em
 
2013-02-23 01:01:20 AM  
In Mass, we can be charged and held liable if we DON'T call. And for serving them over the limit, and letting them go, we can be held accountable in civil suits as well.

Then again, Mass is full of dirty Commie Pinkos, so there is that. Taking a man's keys, it's like living in the USSR...
 
2013-02-23 01:11:44 AM  

hubiestubert: In Mass, we can be charged and held liable if we DON'T call. And for serving them over the limit, and letting them go, we can be held accountable in civil suits as well.

Then again, Mass is full of dirty Commie Pinkos, so there is that. Taking a man's keys, it's like living in the USSR...


so therefore, bars are required to have breathalyzers right? every drinker must be tested before they get served a drink. right?
rationally, that would be the only way for this law to work.

Otherwise, I could walk in drunkover the limit. Get served. Walk out and trip. Then sue?
LOL

I love laws which are just make-work for lawyers.
Unless there it's a felony with prison time behind it, most of these laws are pretty much ignored.

I feel so much safer
 
2013-02-23 01:13:17 AM  

davidphogan: Isn't it illegal to serve someone you know is already drunk anyway pretty much everywhere?  I know at least in some states the bar owner could use that as a reason to fire her.  She admitted serving an already visibly intoxicated guy more beer, why not just say that you were scared of the liability of keeping a bartender on who knowingly gave someone who was already drunk more alcohol?


The troll headline makes it sound like she just reported him for being drunk. She reported him for trying to drive drunk.

Who actually cares if somebody gets drunk? But drunk driving gets everybody's panties in a twist. Maybe for good reason. I'm not smart enough to make that determination.
 
2013-02-23 01:14:22 AM  
As a former Tavern owner in Washington State, the following statements make me cringe.

"I came into work, he was already there, pretty much hammered," DeVito said.
and
"He ordered a beer, I gave it to him, and then I started to try to slow it down, serving him," DeVito said
 
2013-02-23 01:19:14 AM  

thermo: As a former Tavern owner in Washington State, the following statements make me cringe.

"I came into work, he was already there, pretty much hammered," DeVito said.
and
"He ordered a beer, I gave it to him, and then I started to try to slow it down, serving him," DeVito said


given that it was illegal for her to serve him, why didnt she call her boss and report the earlier bartender for breaking the law. Inform the owner that if he doe .....

oh nevermind
the owner/boss clearly was knowingly breaking the law and was upset with her for not breaking the law.
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
time to start calling the cops on a daily basis and reporting this bar for breaking the law.
them bartenders need to be arrested!!!

/sigh
 
FNG [TotalFark]
2013-02-23 01:27:39 AM  
Ok, so this was at a place that would seem to be a tight-knit community.

Rather than call the cops, call him a cab? Ask someone sober to drive him home?
 
2013-02-23 01:49:26 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: FTA: Bartenders are prohibited from serving an intoxicated person and could be held liable for any crash or injury that results, though.

Also FTA: "He said, 'I'm going to have to fire you, because it's bad for business to have a bartender that will call the cops,'" DeVito said.


Someone needs to remind the bartender's former boss that it would be far worse if the drunken driver caused an accident that resulted in someone's death. The family of the deceased would have every right to sue the bar into oblivion.


No, the family would have some legal options to do this.

There is no moral or implied right, though. That's like saying the Blacksmith who made the nails that someone put into a board that you stepped on and got tetnus and died is liable.

Don't support broken systems.
 
2013-02-23 01:56:22 AM  

doglover: There is no moral or implied right, though. That's like saying the Blacksmith who made the nails that someone put into a board that you stepped on and got tetnus and died is liable.

Don't support broken systems.


Horrible analogy. First off, the bar owner didn't make the alcohol. And he didn't just put random shots on the bar that you just accidentally consumed.
 
2013-02-23 02:12:38 AM  
Again, as a former Tavern owner, firing her by saying (FTA):
According to the Ohio Department of Public Safety, there is no law requiring a bartender to report a drunken-driver.
Bartenders are prohibited from serving an intoxicated person and could be held liable for any crash or injury that results, though.

I'm ok with that

But then saying:'I'm going to have to fire you, because it's bad for business to have a bartender that will call the cops,'

Um, not so much
 
2013-02-23 02:42:05 AM  

jaylectricity: the bar owner didn't make the alcohol


You don't know this. He's supplying it anyway.

If someone sells you a weapon, and you use that weapon to rob a bank, they SHOULD NOT be held accountable. It's a disgusting perversion of the concept of justice that removes personal responsibility from the drunk driver.

You'll never remove all the threats from life. You have to draw the line somewhere. When you buy alcohol, the responsibility should be YOURS to keep your shiat together, not the legal vendor of a legal product's.
 
2013-02-23 03:14:49 AM  

namatad: PreMortem: I'm sure that if she told him she would call the cops he would have made other arraingments.

mhmm
like it is her job to deal with every rude and deadly drunk?
FTA: she tried to slow down serving him ... this guy was a regular

my guess is that this guy has been a tool for a long time. she tried to stop him and slow serve him. probably tried to talk the keys out of him this time or before. my guess is that he will get off with a warning.
fark em


So he was rude and a tool, huh? Didn't get that from TFA. Your opinion sounds...biased.

And while she said she "tried to slow him down", that implies she just couldn't help herself. She obviously had no problem with the extra tips. She could have cut him off as soon as she arrived but chose not to.

The woman deserves to be fired and I'm glad she'll never serve again.

And what country do you live in where people get off with a warning for DUI?
 
2013-02-23 03:42:37 AM  
WTF ever happened to personal responsibility? You drink yourself to drunkenness and drive, that should be on you alone. You went to a bar to drink and you drank the drinks you ordered, you aren't a kid, your judgement is impaired by your own willful actions. Bartenders should not be required to cut someone off, or call the cops, their job is slinging drinks, not babysitting. When they do call in a drunk driver they certainly shouldn't be fired, they need to get home safely too, after work, and they saw the way you danced with the 900 lb woman. They know you better than a breathalyzer.

Dammed if you do, dammed if you don't.
 
2013-02-23 03:44:29 AM  
Damn it DeVito.
25.media.tumblr.com
That's the last time I'm coming to your bar.
 
2013-02-23 03:45:14 AM  
I've never understood the appeal of bars. When I drink I want to get drunk,not socialize with a bunch of other drunk assholes or pay a premium for shots when I could go to a liquor store and buy my own damned bottle.
 
2013-02-23 03:45:42 AM  

violentsalvation: WTF ever happened to personal responsibility?


It was litigated into the ground.
 
2013-02-23 03:51:40 AM  

A Terrible Human: I've never understood the appeal of bars. When I drink I want to get drunk,not socialize with a bunch of other drunk assholes or pay a premium for shots when I could go to a liquor store and buy my own damned bottle.


Well it's for getting drunk, socializing, and getting laid. It's for the same reason people go to parties except that it's on demand.
 
2013-02-23 03:52:54 AM  
Yeah, it sucks, but of course her boss fired her. What else could he do? I sure as hell wouldn't go to any bar where the bartender called the cops on me just for trying to drive home. He's running a business.
 
2013-02-23 03:54:15 AM  

doglover: jaylectricity: the bar owner didn't make the alcohol

You don't know this. He's supplying it anyway.

If someone sells you a weapon, and you use that weapon to rob a bank, they SHOULD NOT be held accountable. It's a disgusting perversion of the concept of justice that removes personal responsibility from the drunk driver.

You'll never remove all the threats from life. You have to draw the line somewhere. When you buy alcohol, the responsibility should be YOURS to keep your shiat together, not the legal vendor of a legal product's.


A better analogy would be if the gun buyer walked into the gun store and said something like, 'I'm just going to take this thing outside and fire random shots into the air."
The law in MN is you can't serve an obviously intoxicated person.
 
2013-02-23 03:55:26 AM  

JesusJuice: I sure as hell wouldn't go to any bar where the bartender called the cops on me just for trying to drive home.


If only every drunk driver,I'm not talking about MADD standards,would get into fatal 1 vehicle accidents.
 
2013-02-23 03:55:34 AM  

FNG: Ok, so this was at a place that would seem to be a tight-knit community.

Rather than call the cops, call him a cab? Ask someone sober to drive him home?


that was my first thought. the guy is a regular. i'm guessing this wasn't the first time he drove home from the bar under the influence. why get the cops involved?
 
2013-02-23 03:56:20 AM  

The 4chan Psychiatrist: violentsalvation: WTF ever happened to personal responsibility?

It was litigated into the ground.


Meaning, it's pockets weren't deep enough.
 
2013-02-23 03:57:30 AM  

thermo: Again, as a former Tavern owner, firing her by saying (FTA):
According to the Ohio Department of Public Safety, there is no law requiring a bartender to report a drunken-driver.
Bartenders are prohibited from serving an intoxicated person and could be held liable for any crash or injury that results, though.

I'm ok with that

But then saying:'I'm going to have to fire you, because it's bad for business to have a bartender that will call the cops,'

Um, not so much


Why do you keep capitalizing the word "tavern"? It isn't a proper name.

/Yes, I'm that guy, in this thread at least
 
2013-02-23 04:01:17 AM  
vinniethepoo:

Why do you keep capitalizing the word "tavern"? It isn't a proper name.

It's his horse's name, and I fail to see why it's relevant in this thread either.
 
2013-02-23 04:01:55 AM  

JesusJuice: Yeah, it sucks, but of course her boss fired her. What else could he do? I sure as hell wouldn't go to any bar where the bartender called the cops on me just for trying to drive home. He's running a business.


Perhaps if he hadn't fired her, no one would ever have known she called the cops.

But firing her is great PR.  Now everyone knows that he protects drunks and drunk drivers. Business will boom.  Sure, the liquor control folks could go undercover and bust him for over-serving.  But that's not going to happen to a VFW bar.
 
2013-02-23 04:02:57 AM  

vinniethepoo: thermo: Again, as a former Tavern owner, firing her by saying (FTA):
According to the Ohio Department of Public Safety, there is no law requiring a bartender to report a drunken-driver.
Bartenders are prohibited from serving an intoxicated person and could be held liable for any crash or injury that results, though.

I'm ok with that

But then saying:'I'm going to have to fire you, because it's bad for business to have a bartender that will call the cops,'

Um, not so much

Why do you keep capitalizing the word "tavern"? It isn't a proper name.



It's a gesture of reverence for a religious institution, ninny.
 
2013-02-23 04:07:18 AM  
Presumably there is a lquor licensing authority there, and presumably next time his license is up there will be a recommendation from the police that it be refused?
 
2013-02-23 04:07:33 AM  
I don't mind her getting fired.

What she should have done is gone up to the man and said, "You are too drunk to drive. If you get behind the wheel I am going to have to call the cops." Then take his keys and call him a cab.

I was a bartender for ten years. I said the above more than once. If they didn't have cash for a cab then I would let them run a tab or pay for it myself.

Would every person who drove away from the bar pass a breathalyzer? No. But anyone I ever called the cops on (that wasn't brawling) got a warning from me first.

She sounds vindictive. She shouldn't be fired for calling the cops, she should be fired because she did it in a passive-aggressive way. She didn't really do it to protect him / the public. If she was trying to protect people she never would have let him get behind the wheel in the first place.
 
2013-02-23 04:08:08 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: JesusJuice: Yeah, it sucks, but of course her boss fired her. What else could he do? I sure as hell wouldn't go to any bar where the bartender called the cops on me just for trying to drive home. He's running a business.

Perhaps if he hadn't fired her, no one would ever have known she called the cops.

But firing her is great PR.  Now everyone knows that he protects drunks and drunk drivers. Business will boom.  Sure, the liquor control folks could go undercover and bust him for over-serving.  But that's not going to happen to a VFW bar.


this is an American Legion Post. a bunch of vets that regularly get together to drink and commiserate. of course they would have found out. and they'd probably be pissed.
 
2013-02-23 04:11:07 AM  

Insurgent: BarkingUnicorn: JesusJuice: Yeah, it sucks, but of course her boss fired her. What else could he do? I sure as hell wouldn't go to any bar where the bartender called the cops on me just for trying to drive home. He's running a business.

Perhaps if he hadn't fired her, no one would ever have known she called the cops.

But firing her is great PR.  Now everyone knows that he protects drunks and drunk drivers. Business will boom.  Sure, the liquor control folks could go undercover and bust him for over-serving.  But that's not going to happen to a VFW bar.

this is an American Legion Post. a bunch of vets that regularly get together to drink and commiserate. of course they would have found out. and they'd probably be pissed.


If the cops told him, "The bartender called us about you."
 
2013-02-23 04:14:45 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: Insurgent: BarkingUnicorn: JesusJuice: Yeah, it sucks, but of course her boss fired her. What else could he do? I sure as hell wouldn't go to any bar where the bartender called the cops on me just for trying to drive home. He's running a business.

Perhaps if he hadn't fired her, no one would ever have known she called the cops.

But firing her is great PR.  Now everyone knows that he protects drunks and drunk drivers. Business will boom.  Sure, the liquor control folks could go undercover and bust him for over-serving.  But that's not going to happen to a VFW bar.

this is an American Legion Post. a bunch of vets that regularly get together to drink and commiserate. of course they would have found out. and they'd probably be pissed.

If the cops told him, "The bartender called us about you."


so it's the owner's fault or the cops?
 
2013-02-23 04:17:49 AM  
I was heading in to a local grocery store not too long ago and the manager was stepping outside calling to report a stumbling drunk that was about to drive away from the store.  I give him mad props for that.  It wasn't his problem at all, but I guess he felt like he had to.
 
2013-02-23 04:30:02 AM  
If only there were some kind of service you could call to have them pick you up and drive you home for a small fee in return.
 
2013-02-23 04:31:19 AM  
The bar I used to work at kept an off duty cop on the premises just for this purpose. He patrolled the parking lot, and if he saw anyone who looked drunk getting into their car, he'd walk up and tell them that if they started the car, they'd be arrested and he strongly suggested they call a cab.

We would alert him to anyone we thought was drinking too much. It worked beautifully.

This woman though? Clearly didn't have the kind of support from the owner to have something like that in place. She did the right thing. And no one knows if she tried to warn him first or tried to take his keys away or call a cab. I had folks get belligerent with me over that many times. It was helpful to know that I didn't have to keep arguing with stupid drunk folks- I could just let the officer deal with them.
 
2013-02-23 04:37:10 AM  
DRUNK DRIVERS DON'T KILL PEOPLE!
BAD DRUNK DRIVERS DO!
 
2013-02-23 04:39:31 AM  

MNguy: The law in MN is you can't serve an obviously intoxicated person.


Which is retarded.

A far better plan would be to accept the REASON people drink is to get drunk with friends and put in place systems that make it very easy to get really drunk without a car and really problematic to do so with one.

Basically punishment of anyone but the culprit will never work, and punishing the culprit will only retaliate, never prevent. Much like chain mail gloves for a butcher or goggles for a chemist, safety from crime must be passive and prevent injury from happening in the first place. The price-tag on the surgery to re-attach your finger won't save it from being cut off in the first place.

Tokyo's all armored up with enough trains, buses, taxis, and crash pads that you'd need try VERY hard to get a DUI there. Western PA, on the other hand, is so spread out you have to drive to get to bars in the first place and beer outranks water in popularity. There's no good way to to add in light rail or make people drink less, so another passive solution must be found.

I think, for places where you have to drive to drink, there should be an amnesty hour. One hour a day where DUI isn't going to get you pulled over. It's still a crime, but only if you cause an accident. You drive home responsibly and cause no trouble and no one prosecutes ya. It'll keep sober people off the road then, too. That's my plan. It's not a good one yet, but for off the cuff? Not a bad solution.
 
2013-02-23 04:41:11 AM  
every week of my life until age 18 there was Dad coming home from the VFW hammered to the gills. wake up the whole house, start shiat with my batshiat insane Mom, the volume on this one went to 11. it was great when we were very young. you simply live in fear.

so what. when it wasn't the VFW it was the American Legion, my uncle's house, a bar or just getting wicked smashed at home. this probably took place all over town and all across the country. real life isn't Mayberry RFD.
 
2013-02-23 04:45:55 AM  
PreMortem:

I'm sure that if she told him she would call the cops he would have made other arrangements.

This. What the bartender did was "shiatty" - regardless of what unknown circumstance would become of the patron driving home. Cut the idiot off, offer to call him a cab, ask for his or her car key. There are way less passive-aggressive things to do other than be a damn FINK.
 
2013-02-23 04:45:59 AM  

jaylectricity: But drunk driving gets everybody's panties in a twist. Maybe for good reason. I'm not smart enough to make that determination.


It kills about 10,000 people a year.


And this bar needs to lose its license. The police might have a word or two with the owner about encouraging illegal behavior, and they're probably not thrilled with the whole firing people for reporting a crime thing.
 
2013-02-23 04:48:05 AM  

KrispyKritter: every week of my life until age 18 there was Dad coming home from the VFW hammered to the gills. wake up the whole house, start shiat with my batshiat insane Mom, the volume on this one went to 11. it was great when we were very young. you simply live in fear.

so what. when it wasn't the VFW it was the American Legion, my uncle's house, a bar or just getting wicked smashed at home. this probably took place all over town and all across the country. real life isn't Mayberry RFD.


Studies show that children constantly exposed to stress and fear have many brain development issues like less grey matter and smaller cortexes.  I guess what I'm saying is, sorry for the brain damage bro, but what you experienced isn't normal life.
 
2013-02-23 04:49:13 AM  

special20: PreMortem:

I'm sure that if she told him she would call the cops he would have made other arrangements.

This. What the bartender did was "shiatty" - regardless of what unknown circumstance would become of the patron driving home. Cut the idiot off, offer to call him a cab, ask for his or her car key. There are way less passive-aggressive things to do other than be a damn FINK.


For all you know, she was busy as hell and serving other patrons and he was out the door and in his car before she could do anything else. Or maybe he was rude and aggressive and she was afraid to confront him directly. Or maybe she'd tried to take away his keys and offered to call him a cab and he'd rejected that. All we know is that the guy tried to drive away drunk at twice the legal limit- and this woman quite possibly prevented him from killing himself or someone else.

A DUI is not the end of the world. It sucks for sure, but it would have been a lot worse if he'd gotten into a bad accident on the way home.
 
2013-02-23 04:57:50 AM  

Genevieve Marie: The bar I used to work at kept an off duty cop on the premises just for this purpose. He patrolled the parking lot, and if he saw anyone who looked drunk getting into their car, he'd walk up and tell them that if they started the car, they'd be arrested and he strongly suggested they call a cab.

We would alert him to anyone we thought was drinking too much. It worked beautifully.

This woman though? Clearly didn't have the kind of support from the owner to have something like that in place. She did the right thing. And no one knows if she tried to warn him first or tried to take his keys away or call a cab. I had folks get belligerent with me over that many times. It was helpful to know that I didn't have to keep arguing with stupid drunk folks- I could just let the officer deal with them.


That's kinda cool, worst I had was three older guy's sat down at my table and one other guys says three beers please so I bring them and a short while later one of the guys starts acting up and showing he's drunk. I was actually ticked that they brought the drunk guy in but I just brought water to the table and quietly told the guy that ordered that their friend could be arrested on public intoxication. Cool thing was I still got a good tip.
 
2013-02-23 04:59:41 AM  

special20: PreMortem:

I'm sure that if she told him she would call the cops he would have made other arrangements.

This. What the bartender did was "shiatty" - regardless of what unknown circumstance would become of the patron driving home. Cut the idiot off, offer to call him a cab, ask for his or her car key. There are way less passive-aggressive things to do other than be a damn FINK.


If the bartender over-served him I agree.
 
2013-02-23 04:59:42 AM  
I'm going to guess she finally got tired of his sorry alcoholic ass and decided she had had enough.

/probably she spent one too many nights worrying if tonight's the night he kills somebody
 
2013-02-23 04:59:46 AM  
"He said, 'I'm going to have to fire you, because it's bad for business to have a bartender that will call the cops,'" DeVito said.

Yeah, pretty much fark you, buddy.
 
2013-02-23 05:03:22 AM  

wallywam1: "He said, 'I'm going to have to fire you, because it's bad for business to have a bartender that will call the cops,'" DeVito said.

Yeah, pretty much fark you, buddy.


Yea, pretty much the follow up is place losses liqueur license. In the class I had to take to serve booze that was the last resort but if you didn't do it and they kill someone your world is gonna suck..
 
2013-02-23 05:05:58 AM  

doglover: There's no good way to to add in light rail or make people drink less, so another passive solution must be found.


I think changing the zoning laws so you could actually have a neighborhood pub within walking/very short driving distance.  Won't work in rural areas but would be a lot better than zoning all the bars to locations where you have to drive.

/spare me the 'you don't have to drive' lecture
//not you dog but the rest of Farkdom who will jump on that
 
2013-02-23 05:06:10 AM  
She should have been fired for serving an obviously intoxicated customer, as should the previous bartender who apparently got him that way. Had she refused to serve, asked him to call a cab/surrender keys/not drive, and then called the cops, I'd have zero issue. She shouldn't be fired for calling the cops though, which is what they did.
 
2013-02-23 05:10:53 AM  

relaxitsjustme: doglover: There's no good way to to add in light rail or make people drink less, so another passive solution must be found.

I think changing the zoning laws so you could actually have a neighborhood pub within walking/very short driving distance.  Won't work in rural areas but would be a lot better than zoning all the bars to locations where you have to drive.

/spare me the 'you don't have to drive' lecture
//not you dog but the rest of Farkdom who will jump on that


This, so much this, tear down neighborhood church's and put up neighborhood bars.
/Damn church's woke me up with the bell ringing on Sunday morning after I worked a double.
 
2013-02-23 05:13:52 AM  

cptjeff: jaylectricity: But drunk driving gets everybody's panties in a twist. Maybe for good reason. I'm not smart enough to make that determination.

It kills about 10,000 people a year.


And this bar needs to lose its license. The police might have a word or two with the owner about encouraging illegal behavior, and they're probably not thrilled with the whole firing people for reporting a crime thing.


If the owner thinks reporting a drunk driver is bad for business, I wonder what he'd think having a regular stream of patrol cars out front would do for business. Or perhaps he'd like a patrol car parked at the parking lot entrance.
 
2013-02-23 05:15:16 AM  

Genevieve Marie: special20: PreMortem:

I'm sure that if she told him she would call the cops he would have made other arrangements.

This. What the bartender did was "shiatty" - regardless of what unknown circumstance would become of the patron driving home. Cut the idiot off, offer to call him a cab, ask for his or her car key. There are way less passive-aggressive things to do other than be a damn FINK.

For all you know, she was busy as hell and serving other patrons and he was out the door and in his car before she could do anything else. Or maybe he was rude and aggressive and she was afraid to confront him directly. Or maybe she'd tried to take away his keys and offered to call him a cab and he'd rejected that. All we know is that the guy tried to drive away drunk at twice the legal limit- and this woman quite possibly prevented him from killing himself or someone else.

A DUI is not the end of the world. It sucks for sure, but it would have been a lot worse if he'd gotten into a bad accident on the way home.


Yet she HAD THE TIME to drop a dime. If I may project, as you do, then perhaps she just didn't like the guy, and schemed to hurt him because she found him personally offensive.
It's possible all this had NOTHING at all to do with public safety.
 
2013-02-23 05:17:15 AM  
Except given the guy was 2x the legal limit, she was hardly scheming to hurt him. That's pretty farking trashed, especially for an old drunk who's got some tolerance.
 
2013-02-23 05:18:24 AM  

special20: Yet she HAD THE TIME to drop a dime. If I may project, as you do, then perhaps she just didn't like the guy, and schemed to hurt him because she found him personally offensive.
It's possible all this had NOTHING at all to do with public safety.


Nothing would have happened to him if he hadn't been trying to drive at twice the legal limit. That's not a few beers drunk. That's waaaaay too drunk to drive. That's on him- it was his responsibility to either stay sober enough to drive home or to make other transportation arrangements, and even if she did dislike the guy- there's no getting around the fact that he had no business trying to drive in that condition.
 
2013-02-23 05:24:45 AM  
Is it because the patrons are veterans that they get a pass on obeying the law and can drive drunk withput consequences?
 
2013-02-23 05:25:13 AM  

Genevieve Marie: special20: Yet she HAD THE TIME to drop a dime. If I may project, as you do, then perhaps she just didn't like the guy, and schemed to hurt him because she found him personally offensive.
It's possible all this had NOTHING at all to do with public safety.

Nothing would have happened to him if he hadn't been trying to drive at twice the legal limit. That's not a few beers drunk. That's waaaaay too drunk to drive. That's on him- it was his responsibility to either stay sober enough to drive home or to make other transportation arrangements, and even if she did dislike the guy- there's no getting around the fact that he had no business trying to drive in that condition.


So very true, and the reason I drink at home not when I'm out granted I don't think I could pull that high a score. Also sometimes a person comes in for a drink and you think they're okay and well hell you realize they're a lawsuit waiting to happen.
 
2013-02-23 05:33:28 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: Genevieve Marie: special20: Yet she HAD THE TIME to drop a dime. If I may project, as you do, then perhaps she just didn't like the guy, and schemed to hurt him because she found him personally offensive.
It's possible all this had NOTHING at all to do with public safety.

Nothing would have happened to him if he hadn't been trying to drive at twice the legal limit. That's not a few beers drunk. That's waaaaay too drunk to drive. That's on him- it was his responsibility to either stay sober enough to drive home or to make other transportation arrangements, and even if she did dislike the guy- there's no getting around the fact that he had no business trying to drive in that condition.

So very true, and the reason I drink at home not when I'm out granted I don't think I could pull that high a score. Also sometimes a person comes in for a drink and you think they're okay and well hell you realize they're a lawsuit waiting to happen.


My brother is like that. He can be almost blacked-out drunk, and for a while he won't exhibit any signs. Most people won't think he's had anything to drink until he curls up on the floor and goes to sleep.
 
2013-02-23 05:40:44 AM  

davidphogan: Isn't it illegal to serve someone you know is already drunk anyway pretty much everywhere?  I know at least in some states the bar owner could use that as a reason to fire her.  She admitted serving an already visibly intoxicated guy more beer, why not just say that you were scared of the liability of keeping a bartender on who knowingly gave someone who was already drunk more alcohol?


A buddy of mine lives over in Seattle and works part-time as a bartender. According to him, Washington state law says that it's illegal to refuse to serve alcohol to pregnant women. He says the only way you can legally skirt the law is to serve them at least one drink and then cut them off for having had "too many." Apparently, how many is too many is entirely up to the bartender's judgment. I know it's not quite the same as refusing to serve a guy who's already completely shiatfaced, but it sort of reminded me of that.
 
2013-02-23 05:44:04 AM  
As a former bartender, I'll say: It's very tough to know when to cut someone off. Especially if they were drinking before your shift started. If you make a habit of cutting off drunk people, there's a good chance you'd end up fired pretty quickly for hurting business.

You obviously want to cut off someone who's heading into alcohol poisoning territory, but someone who's just happily drunk with their friends and taking a cab back home? Yea, technically you're serving an intoxicated person but that's kind of your job.

I think I cut off maybe five or six people in the five years I bartended. I kept a whole lot more people than that from driving home though.
 
2013-02-23 05:47:00 AM  

Notabunny: tinfoil-hat maggie: Genevieve Marie: special20: Yet she HAD THE TIME to drop a dime. If I may project, as you do, then perhaps she just didn't like the guy, and schemed to hurt him because she found him personally offensive.
It's possible all this had NOTHING at all to do with public safety.

Nothing would have happened to him if he hadn't been trying to drive at twice the legal limit. That's not a few beers drunk. That's waaaaay too drunk to drive. That's on him- it was his responsibility to either stay sober enough to drive home or to make other transportation arrangements, and even if she did dislike the guy- there's no getting around the fact that he had no business trying to drive in that condition.

So very true, and the reason I drink at home not when I'm out granted I don't think I could pull that high a score. Also sometimes a person comes in for a drink and you think they're okay and well hell you realize they're a lawsuit waiting to happen.

My brother is like that. He can be almost blacked-out drunk, and for a while he won't exhibit any signs. Most people won't think he's had anything to drink until he curls up on the floor and goes to sleep.


Oh, sorry but yea that's the type I'm talking about.

Oh, and FTFA:
According to the Ohio Department of Public Safety, there is no law requiring a bartender to report a drunken-driver.

Bartenders are prohibited from serving an intoxicated person and could be held liable for any crash or injury that results, though.


What was she supposed to do? And I really hate those laws like that, I could've lost more than I ever made serving because of one idiot.
 
2013-02-23 05:49:07 AM  
The bartender should sue. Given they said they fired him for reporting a crime, he will win.

The management was stupid for telling him why he was fired. He'd pretty much have no case without their own admission.  I hope he takes them to the cleaners.
 
2013-02-23 05:51:20 AM  

Genevieve Marie: As a former bartender, I'll say: It's very tough to know when to cut someone off. Especially if they were drinking before your shift started. If you make a habit of cutting off drunk people, there's a good chance you'd end up fired pretty quickly for hurting business.

You obviously want to cut off someone who's heading into alcohol poisoning territory, but someone who's just happily drunk with their friends and taking a cab back home? Yea, technically you're serving an intoxicated person but that's kind of your job.

I think I cut off maybe five or six people in the five years I bartended. I kept a whole lot more people than that from driving home though.


It's a fine line and well I was in a restaurant in a hotel so I would find out where they were going while serving them and as long as they were cool, hey.
 
2013-02-23 06:02:34 AM  
I can see why it would be nice for a bartender to try and warn a patron first.  But in this day and age why should they have to?  Is there anyone in any civilised country that isn't aware of drink driving limits?  And that you shouldn't drive after drinking?

The moron is aware of the law.  The moron clearly went to the bar with the intent of getting that drunk (or drunker). The moron drove there, knowing they would be driving home munted.  The moron had the clear intent from the get go to break the law.  Most drunk drivers do.

There's not actually many people who go "whoopsy, meant to have two beers, accidentally had seven, silly me, oh well have to get home somehow so driving it is".  No, their intent when they drive to the bar is to get drunk and drive home.  They simply figure they won't get caught, and don't care about the risk they are causing others.

So why SHOULD a bartender warn a moron before calling the cops?  The threat of legal problems didn't stop them acting like a moron in the first place, they should lie in the bed they made.  Maybe it will change their behaviour before they maim or kill someone (other than themselves, who cares if they do that).
 
2013-02-23 06:07:31 AM  

if_i_really_have_to: So why SHOULD a bartender warn a moron before calling the cops?


For business?
 
2013-02-23 06:11:29 AM  
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2013-02-23 06:11:56 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: FTA: Bartenders are prohibited from serving an intoxicated person and could be held liable for any crash or injury that results, though.

Also FTA: "He said, 'I'm going to have to fire you, because it's bad for business to have a bartender that will call the cops,'" DeVito said.


Someone needs to remind the bartender's former boss that it would be far worse if the drunken driver caused an accident that resulted in someone's death. The family of the deceased would have every right to sue the bar into oblivion.


Not going to read thru the whole thread because I'm drunk - so this may have been said - but I was on a business trip staying at a hotel and had a few too many with my co-worker at the hotel bar and the bartender cut me off.  I wasn't being obnoxious or anything of the sort, I'm a happy drunk.  She was counting drinks. All I had to do was get on the elevator and go to my room.  No drinking and driving involved. She was right to cut me off.   It isn't all about the liability of serving someone who is getting behind the wheel.  She should have cut me off sooner, because it was the only night that I ended-up in bed with a woman that I cannot remember her name, probably because she never told me.  True story.  Anyway, the bartender did the right thing.  Regardless of law.
 
2013-02-23 06:16:33 AM  

riverwalk barfly: Bathia_Mapes: FTA: Bartenders are prohibited from serving an intoxicated person and could be held liable for any crash or injury that results, though.

Also FTA: "He said, 'I'm going to have to fire you, because it's bad for business to have a bartender that will call the cops,'" DeVito said.


Someone needs to remind the bartender's former boss that it would be far worse if the drunken driver caused an accident that resulted in someone's death. The family of the deceased would have every right to sue the bar into oblivion.

Not going to read thru the whole thread because I'm drunk - so this may have been said - but I was on a business trip staying at a hotel and had a few too many with my co-worker at the hotel bar and the bartender cut me off.  I wasn't being obnoxious or anything of the sort, I'm a happy drunk.  She was counting drinks. All I had to do was get on the elevator and go to my room.  No drinking and driving involved. She was right to cut me off.   It isn't all about the liability of serving someone who is getting behind the wheel.  She should have cut me off sooner, because it was the only night that I ended-up in bed with a woman that I cannot remember her name, probably because she never told me.  True story.  Anyway, the bartender did the right thing.  Regardless of law.


Oh sorry about that I thought you liked her, and well I knew you were going back to you're room and anyway sorry ; )
 
2013-02-23 06:19:46 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: riverwalk barfly: Bathia_Mapes: FTA: Bartenders are prohibited from serving an intoxicated person and could be held liable for any crash or injury that results, though.

Also FTA: "He said, 'I'm going to have to fire you, because it's bad for business to have a bartender that will call the cops,'" DeVito said.


Someone needs to remind the bartender's former boss that it would be far worse if the drunken driver caused an accident that resulted in someone's death. The family of the deceased would have every right to sue the bar into oblivion.

Not going to read thru the whole thread because I'm drunk - so this may have been said - but I was on a business trip staying at a hotel and had a few too many with my co-worker at the hotel bar and the bartender cut me off.  I wasn't being obnoxious or anything of the sort, I'm a happy drunk.  She was counting drinks. All I had to do was get on the elevator and go to my room.  No drinking and driving involved. She was right to cut me off.   It isn't all about the liability of serving someone who is getting behind the wheel.  She should have cut me off sooner, because it was the only night that I ended-up in bed with a woman that I cannot remember her name, probably because she never told me.  True story.  Anyway, the bartender did the right thing.  Regardless of law.

Oh sorry about that I thought you liked her, and well I knew you were going back to you're room and anyway sorry ; )


Thanks for a good chuckle on an early Saturday morning!
 
2013-02-23 06:27:15 AM  

riverwalk barfly: tinfoil-hat maggie: riverwalk barfly: Bathia_Mapes: FTA: Bartenders are prohibited from serving an intoxicated person and could be held liable for any crash or injury that results, though.

Also FTA: "He said, 'I'm going to have to fire you, because it's bad for business to have a bartender that will call the cops,'" DeVito said.


Someone needs to remind the bartender's former boss that it would be far worse if the drunken driver caused an accident that resulted in someone's death. The family of the deceased would have every right to sue the bar into oblivion.

Not going to read thru the whole thread because I'm drunk - so this may have been said - but I was on a business trip staying at a hotel and had a few too many with my co-worker at the hotel bar and the bartender cut me off.  I wasn't being obnoxious or anything of the sort, I'm a happy drunk.  She was counting drinks. All I had to do was get on the elevator and go to my room.  No drinking and driving involved. She was right to cut me off.   It isn't all about the liability of serving someone who is getting behind the wheel.  She should have cut me off sooner, because it was the only night that I ended-up in bed with a woman that I cannot remember her name, probably because she never told me.  True story.  Anyway, the bartender did the right thing.  Regardless of law.

Oh sorry about that I thought you liked her, and well I knew you were going back to you're room and anyway sorry ; )

Thanks for a good chuckle on an early Saturday morning!


Hey, if the story happened in Nashville it could be true ; )
 
2013-02-23 06:29:30 AM  
Calling the cops is the last thing to do. They'll be all pissed off for waking them up. Call a cab for the nice drunk.
 
2013-02-23 06:37:52 AM  

Deep Contact: Calling the cops is the last thing to do. They'll be all pissed off for waking them up. Call a cab for the nice drunk.


Yea, and if they don't want a cab?
 
2013-02-23 06:39:42 AM  
"I came into work, he was already there, pretty much hammered," DeVito said.

"He ordered a beer, I gave it to him, and then I started to try to slow it down, serving him," DeVito said.

So, she served an obviously intoxicated guy a few drinks then calls to cops on him for being drunk??
What a terrible bartender/person.

fark her.
 
2013-02-23 06:45:35 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: riverwalk barfly: tinfoil-hat maggie: riverwalk barfly: Bathia_Mapes: FTA: Bartenders are prohibited from serving an intoxicated person and could be held liable for any crash or injury that results, though.

Also FTA: "He said, 'I'm going to have to fire you, because it's bad for business to have a bartender that will call the cops,'" DeVito said.


Someone needs to remind the bartender's former boss that it would be far worse if the drunken driver caused an accident that resulted in someone's death. The family of the deceased would have every right to sue the bar into oblivion.

Not going to read thru the whole thread because I'm drunk - so this may have been said - but I was on a business trip staying at a hotel and had a few too many with my co-worker at the hotel bar and the bartender cut me off.  I wasn't being obnoxious or anything of the sort, I'm a happy drunk.  She was counting drinks. All I had to do was get on the elevator and go to my room.  No drinking and driving involved. She was right to cut me off.   It isn't all about the liability of serving someone who is getting behind the wheel.  She should have cut me off sooner, because it was the only night that I ended-up in bed with a woman that I cannot remember her name, probably because she never told me.  True story.  Anyway, the bartender did the right thing.  Regardless of law.

Oh sorry about that I thought you liked her, and well I knew you were going back to you're room and anyway sorry ; )

Thanks for a good chuckle on an early Saturday morning!

Hey, if the story happened in Nashville it could be true ; )


Houston.  oh well.
 
2013-02-23 06:51:00 AM  

riverwalk barfly: Houston. oh well.


Well, just know other guys have shared your fate ; )
 
2013-02-23 07:09:09 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: Deep Contact: Calling the cops is the last thing to do. They'll be all pissed off for waking them up. Call a cab for the nice drunk.

Yea, and if they don't want a cab?


your experience at a hotel restaurant is completely irrelevant. you deal with strangers, for the most part. you are not in a small town tending a bar full of local veterans. do you understand the difference?
 
2013-02-23 07:13:10 AM  

PreMortem: .167? Pfft, amateur. I blew .26 at the jail.

At least that coont won't bartend ever again.

Google search: "Twyla DeVito"


I think you mistyped: "I blew 26 inmates at the jail", is what you meant to say.
 
2013-02-23 07:20:26 AM  
As a bar owner, I can see this.  First, she admits he was hammered when she started working, then served him anyway.  That is illegal.  Right there that leaves the bartender and the business open to all kinds of trouble.  You also never call the cops unless you need to.  You don't want cops hanging around places that serve alcohol.  It's bad for business.  You call them a few times, now they are hanging around the area even when you haven't called them.  They are like feeding stray cats.  My employees know not to serve people who are visibly intoxicated and do not call the cops unless something is happening that you cannot take care of yourself.  So many others will keep serving people until they pass out at the bar.  Not a good idea...
 
2013-02-23 07:23:19 AM  
Bartender needs to find another line of work and subby needs to read Nineteen Eighty-Four.
 
2013-02-23 07:28:01 AM  

oukewldave: As a bar owner, I can see this.  First, she admits he was hammered when she started working, then served him anyway.  That is illegal.  Right there that leaves the bartender and the business open to all kinds of trouble.  You also never call the cops unless you need to.  You don't want cops hanging around places that serve alcohol.  It's bad for business.  You call them a few times, now they are hanging around the area even when you haven't called them.  They are like feeding stray cats.  My employees know not to serve people who are visibly intoxicated and do not call the cops unless something is happening that you cannot take care of yourself.  So many others will keep serving people until they pass out at the bar.  Not a good idea...


I read your post and wanted to say something snarky and then read it again and then one more time.  Your post makes perfect sense.  Seriously.
 
2013-02-23 07:38:08 AM  

oukewldave: As a bar owner, I can see this.  First, she admits he was hammered when she started working, then served him anyway.  That is illegal.  Right there that leaves the bartender and the business open to all kinds of trouble.


Exactly. And when they fired her they should have said this is why they fired her. Then there would be no trouble.

But no, they fired her for reporting a crime and moreso, told her this was the reason. When she sues them, and she will...  she's going to win big.
 
2013-02-23 07:41:10 AM  

Insurgent: tinfoil-hat maggie: Deep Contact: Calling the cops is the last thing to do. They'll be all pissed off for waking them up. Call a cab for the nice drunk.

Yea, and if they don't want a cab?

your experience at a hotel restaurant is completely irrelevant. you deal with strangers, for the most part. you are not in a small town tending a bar full of local veterans. do you understand the difference?


It surprises me how many stupid people like to stand up and proudly proclaim their stupid.
 
2013-02-23 07:43:31 AM  

Cheviot: oukewldave: As a bar owner, I can see this.  First, she admits he was hammered when she started working, then served him anyway.  That is illegal.  Right there that leaves the bartender and the business open to all kinds of trouble.

Exactly. And when they fired her they should have said this is why they fired her. Then there would be no trouble.

But no, they fired her for reporting a crime and moreso, told her this was the reason. When she sues them, and she will...  she's going to win big.


I agree.  The owner's reason was not well thought out.  Not sure how big of a win she would actually get if she took them to court over being fired from a bartending job.  Couldn't see more than a couple thousand at most.
 
2013-02-23 07:45:45 AM  

Katolu: PreMortem: .167? Pfft, amateur. I blew .26 at the jail.

At least that coont won't bartend ever again.

Google search: "Twyla DeVito"

I think you mistyped: "I blew 26 inmates at the jail", is what you meant to say.


You sound gay. I would not have jumped to that.

/NTTAWWT
 
2013-02-23 07:52:53 AM  

Capt. Sparkles: davidphogan: Isn't it illegal to serve someone you know is already drunk anyway pretty much everywhere?  I know at least in some states the bar owner could use that as a reason to fire her.  She admitted serving an already visibly intoxicated guy more beer, why not just say that you were scared of the liability of keeping a bartender on who knowingly gave someone who was already drunk more alcohol?

A buddy of mine lives over in Seattle and works part-time as a bartender. According to him, Washington state law says that it's illegal to refuse to serve alcohol to pregnant women. He says the only way you can legally skirt the law is to serve them at least one drink and then cut them off for having had "too many." Apparently, how many is too many is entirely up to the bartender's judgment. I know it's not quite the same as refusing to serve a guy who's already completely shiatfaced, but it sort of reminded me of that.


Tell your buddy that it is fairly common in europe for doctors to advise pregnant women that its ok to drink a small amount (after early pregnancy- early bad. )

he shouldnt worry about serving someone he can tell is pregnant 1 drink
 
2013-02-23 07:57:55 AM  

oukewldave: Cheviot: oukewldave: As a bar owner, I can see this.  First, she admits he was hammered when she started working, then served him anyway.  That is illegal.  Right there that leaves the bartender and the business open to all kinds of trouble.

Exactly. And when they fired her they should have said this is why they fired her. Then there would be no trouble.

But no, they fired her for reporting a crime and moreso, told her this was the reason. When she sues them, and she will...  she's going to win big.

I agree.  The owner's reason was not well thought out.  Not sure how big of a win she would actually get if she took them to court over being fired from a bartending job.  Couldn't see more than a couple thousand at most.


You'd think, except that she'll be unemployable as a bartender now. That's worth a fair amount of cash. To be realistic though, this will never get to trial.
 
2013-02-23 08:09:57 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: JesusJuice: Yeah, it sucks, but of course her boss fired her. What else could he do? I sure as hell wouldn't go to any bar where the bartender called the cops on me just for trying to drive home. He's running a business.

Perhaps if he hadn't fired her, no one would ever have known she called the cops.

But firing her is great PR.  Now everyone knows that he protects drunks and drunk drivers. Business will boom.  Sure, the liquor control folks could go undercover and bust him for over-serving.  But that's not going to happen to a VFW bar.


The cops are going to now park across the street and then pull over any patron that has spent more than an hour in there when they try and leave.
 
2013-02-23 08:11:42 AM  

if_i_really_have_to: I can see why it would be nice for a bartender to try and warn a patron first.  But in this day and age why should they have to?  Is there anyone in any civilised country that isn't aware of drink driving limits?  And that you shouldn't drive after drinking?

The moron is aware of the law.  The moron clearly went to the bar with the intent of getting that drunk (or drunker). The moron drove there, knowing they would be driving home munted.  The moron had the clear intent from the get go to break the law.  Most drunk drivers do.

There's not actually many people who go "whoopsy, meant to have two beers, accidentally had seven, silly me, oh well have to get home somehow so driving it is".  No, their intent when they drive to the bar is to get drunk and drive home.  They simply figure they won't get caught, and don't care about the risk they are causing others.

So why SHOULD a bartender warn a moron before calling the cops? The threat of legal problems didn't stop them acting like a moron in the first place, they should lie in the bed they made.  Maybe it will change their behaviour before they maim or kill someone (other than themselves, who cares if they do that).


Because if you just let them leave and then call the cops they may not intercept the person before they get into a wreck. You also open yourself up to liability. (You are practically admitting you overserved them to the point where you KNEW they were drunk.) So if you let a knee-walking drunk leave without trying to warn / stop them and you just call the cops--and that person pulls out of the bar parking lot and plows straight into someone before the cops could pull the guy over--you're FARKED. You've just let yourself be recorded by law enforcement AND practically admitting complicity in the unfortunate events.

THAT'S WHY.
 
2013-02-23 08:13:44 AM  
*admitted
 
2013-02-23 08:13:47 AM  
Dear Owner:

Would you rather have four lawsuits from the Estates of the folks the drunk killed?
 
2013-02-23 08:15:12 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: FTA: Bartenders are prohibited from serving an intoxicated person and could be held liable for any crash or injury that results, though.

Also FTA: "He said, 'I'm going to have to fire you, because it's bad for business to have a bartender that will call the cops,'" DeVito said.


Someone needs to remind the bartender's former boss that it would be far worse if the drunken driver caused an accident that resulted in someone's death. The family of the deceased would have every right to sue the bar into oblivion.


This is as far as I needed to read into this thread before I thought, "Yep...  Exactly"

Barkeeps are riding on a knife edge every night.  If they serve the wrong person too much, it's a problem.  If they don't serve them enough, it's a problem.  In this wonderful land of lawsuits, if someone drives from the bar and kills a car full of children on their way home from a charity benefit, the parents will sue, not the driver, but the bar that got them drunk.  And in some cases, they will actually sue the barkeep.

In this case, getting fired was actually a better option.  It's better than getting sued for something that isn't your fault.
 
2013-02-23 08:15:48 AM  

davidphogan: Isn't it illegal to serve someone you know is already drunk anyway pretty much everywhere?  I know at least in some states the bar owner could use that as a reason to fire her.  She admitted serving an already visibly intoxicated guy more beer, why not just say that you were scared of the liability of keeping a bartender on who knowingly gave someone who was already drunk more alcohol?


That is true in Georgia, although it's not enforced until after a wreck.
 
2013-02-23 08:20:17 AM  

The Snow Dog: I don't mind her getting fired.

What she should have done is gone up to the man and said, "You are too drunk to drive. If you get behind the wheel I am going to have to call the cops." Then take his keys and call him a cab.

I was a bartender for ten years. I said the above more than once. If they didn't have cash for a cab then I would let them run a tab or pay for it myself.

Would every person who drove away from the bar pass a breathalyzer? No. But anyone I ever called the cops on (that wasn't brawling) got a warning from me first.

She sounds vindictive. She shouldn't be fired for calling the cops, she should be fired because she did it in a passive-aggressive way. She didn't really do it to protect him / the public. If she was trying to protect people she never would have let him get behind the wheel in the first place.


Not white knighting this chick...but...

The article is woefully lacking supporting material, she very well may have asked him not to drive.  We just do not know.

I used to bartend at a restaurant where the property management company had hired some pretty aggressive towing company that towed any vehicle in the lot after 2:30am.  We had plenty of occasions where employees cars were towed, anyway...it was bullshiat that the restaurant was not allowed to authorize a patron to leave his/her car behind for the night and get a ride home/take a cab...the guest would have faced an almost $200 towing and impound fee.

Personal responsibility, blah, blah, blah...planning ahead, blah, blah, blah...look shiat happens, sometimes you drink too much and are faced with the decision of drive home and risk DUI/bad accident or leave the car and face a huge fine.

I think property management companies that do not allow folks to leave their cars behind in a restaurant's parking lot is just rude and does a disservice to the community.

Back on topic, I am certain that there is more to this story than this poorly written article is stating.
 
2013-02-23 08:20:39 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: Insurgent: tinfoil-hat maggie: Deep Contact: Calling the cops is the last thing to do. They'll be all pissed off for waking them up. Call a cab for the nice drunk.

Yea, and if they don't want a cab?

your experience at a hotel restaurant is completely irrelevant. you deal with strangers, for the most part. you are not in a small town tending a bar full of local veterans. do you understand the difference?

It surprises me how many stupid people like to stand up and proudly proclaim their stupid.



It surprises me when someone insults someone else for being stupid, using incorrect grammar.
 
2013-02-23 08:28:15 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: JesusJuice: Yeah, it sucks, but of course her boss fired her. What else could he do? I sure as hell wouldn't go to any bar where the bartender called the cops on me just for trying to drive home. He's running a business.

Perhaps if he hadn't fired her, no one would ever have known she called the cops.

But firing her is great PR.  Now everyone knows that he protects drunks and drunk drivers. Business will boom.  Sure, the liquor control folks could go undercover and bust him for over-serving.  But that's not going to happen to a VFW bar.


Yeah, but this was an American Legion Post.
 
2013-02-23 08:33:21 AM  
Why did the bartender have to make a spectacle that she was calling the cops? she could have gone to the back and called the cops in confidence. problem solved.
 
2013-02-23 08:37:26 AM  
A bartender at an American Legion Post: something tells me she doesn't take the Marlboro out of her mouth when she tells the statie to kiss her ass.
 
2013-02-23 08:49:58 AM  
Getting his ass sued by the victims of the DUIer could also be bad for business.
 
2013-02-23 08:50:06 AM  
Why does she have a slam dunk case against her former employer? All we have here is a bitter, fired employee and her word as to what her boss told her. All he has to do is deny it if it ever gets to court. Not like any one of the regulars at the bar is going to stand up for a snitch, they are going to say she was rude, snotty and frequently served people who were already too drunk to drive.
 
2013-02-23 08:50:11 AM  

Katie98_KT: Capt. Sparkles: davidphogan: Isn't it illegal to serve someone you know is already drunk anyway pretty much everywhere?  I know at least in some states the bar owner could use that as a reason to fire her.  She admitted serving an already visibly intoxicated guy more beer, why not just say that you were scared of the liability of keeping a bartender on who knowingly gave someone who was already drunk more alcohol?

A buddy of mine lives over in Seattle and works part-time as a bartender. According to him, Washington state law says that it's illegal to refuse to serve alcohol to pregnant women. He says the only way you can legally skirt the law is to serve them at least one drink and then cut them off for having had "too many." Apparently, how many is too many is entirely up to the bartender's judgment. I know it's not quite the same as refusing to serve a guy who's already completely shiatfaced, but it sort of reminded me of that.

Tell your buddy that it is fairly common in europe for doctors to advise pregnant women that its ok to drink a small amount (after early pregnancy- early bad. )

he shouldnt worry about serving someone he can tell is pregnant 1 drink


Unless it puts her over the .02-.05 limit, which is also common in Europe....

//DWI's in European countries are MUCH worse. We have it easy.
 
2013-02-23 09:00:21 AM  
It's bad for business when you get busted for violating the Dram shop act too.
 
2013-02-23 09:07:00 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: Insurgent: tinfoil-hat maggie: Deep Contact: Calling the cops is the last thing to do. They'll be all pissed off for waking them up. Call a cab for the nice drunk.

Yea, and if they don't want a cab?

your experience at a hotel restaurant is completely irrelevant. you deal with strangers, for the most part. you are not in a small town tending a bar full of local veterans. do you understand the difference?

It surprises me how many stupid people like to stand up and proudly proclaim their stupid.


It surprises ME how many people who are trying to claim others are stupid don't even know the difference between There, Their and They're.

/if you'd used the word stupidity, you'd have been ok.
 
2013-02-23 09:19:09 AM  
doglover:

I think, for places where you have to drive to drink, there should be an amnesty hour. One hour a day where DUI isn't going to get you pulled over. It's still a crime, but only if you cause an accident. You drive home responsibly and cause no trouble and no one prosecutes ya. It'll keep sober people off the road then, too. That's my plan. It's not a good one yet, but for off the cuff? Not a bad solution.

You are a farking moron.
 
2013-02-23 09:23:04 AM  
I once knew a cashier at a grocery store who worked thirds that called the cops on the folks coming through her store drunk.  She had an officer's number on her cell.  However, not working for a bar she never got in trouble for it and it did help quiet down the wee hours of the morning.

Years ago, I was working a third shift cashier's shift when two guys came up with a case of beer for part of the order at 2:30 am.  MI doesn't allow beer sales between 2 am and 7 am.  I informed them that I couldn't ring it up.  Of course they started to argue and I even scanned the case to prove the register wouldn't allow it.  While we talked, an uniformed officer got in line behind them as they started to tell me, they are from NY and NY sells till 3 am.  I saw the officer and said well do you think your car can get there before 3, then the officer spoke up and said "I would like to see that".  They paid for the part of the order they could purchase and left.
 
2013-02-23 09:33:06 AM  
FTA: Bartenders are prohibited from serving an intoxicated person and could be held liable for any crash or injury that results, though.

And the manager should reiterate that, just as stick-up-the-ass school administrators go to the Code of Conduct and hide/dummy up behind federal/state privacy issues.

Also FTA: "He said, 'I'm going to have to fire you, because it's bad for business to have a bartender that will call the cops,'" DeVito said.

And this is where the bartender could sue the manager and have the manager's ass. It could also be a libel suit against the bartender.
 
2013-02-23 09:34:46 AM  
One bad PR nightmare coming up.
Will you have fries or salad with that?
 
2013-02-23 09:38:32 AM  

Genevieve Marie: The bar I used to work at kept an off duty cop on the premises just for this purpose. He patrolled the parking lot, and if he saw anyone who looked drunk getting into their car, he'd walk up and tell them that if they started the car, they'd be arrested and he strongly suggested they call a cab.

We would alert him to anyone we thought was drinking too much. It worked beautifully.


And this is a beautiful system. Gives the drunk an out, protects the bar and the employees, and doesn't go into the MADD prohibition.

/Great. I just imagined David Tennant as a copper.
//"I give you ONE chance!"
 
2013-02-23 09:41:51 AM  
Lots of people white knighting a worthless drunk driver. I bet you guys think you're also the rare exception that actually drives better drunk.
 
2013-02-23 09:43:58 AM  

edmo: It's bad for business when you get busted for violating the Dram shop act too.


Exactly what I thought of... Bartender's boss is a moron who doesn't even understand his own business.
 
2013-02-23 09:44:45 AM  
Her boss is right. It is bad for business. Patrons will start going elsewhere because they are worried about the bartender narcing on them, even if they are drinking reasonable amounts. If you feel compelled to report people who may be driving drunk, bar tending isn't the profession for you

Should have just insisted the guy take a cab
 
2013-02-23 09:56:06 AM  

instantkarma78: Why does she have a slam dunk case against her former employer? All we have here is a bitter, fired employee and her word as to what her boss told her. All he has to do is deny it if it ever gets to court. Not like any one of the regulars at the bar is going to stand up for a snitch, they are going to say she was rude, snotty and frequently served people who were already too drunk to drive.


FTFA:

The commander of the post would not make a comment to 10TV News on camera but said that while DeVito did the right thing morally, she did not do the right thing for the business.
 
2013-02-23 09:58:04 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: Deep Contact: Calling the cops is the last thing to do. They'll be all pissed off for waking them up. Call a cab for the nice drunk.

Yea, and if they don't want a cab?


Then call them one of those cabs that are very persistent... They usually have red and blue lights on the top.
 
2013-02-23 09:59:42 AM  

Pumpernickel bread: Her boss is right. It is bad for business. Patrons will start going elsewhere because they are worried about the bartender narcing on them, even if they are drinking reasonable amounts. If you feel compelled to report people who may be driving drunk, bar tending isn't the profession for you

Should have just insisted the guy take a cab


Dram shop laws/liability would beg to differ.
 
2013-02-23 10:10:51 AM  

namatad: hubiestubert: In Mass, we can be charged and held liable if we DON'T call. And for serving them over the limit, and letting them go, we can be held accountable in civil suits as well.

Then again, Mass is full of dirty Commie Pinkos, so there is that. Taking a man's keys, it's like living in the USSR...

so therefore, bars are required to have breathalyzers right? every drinker must be tested before they get served a drink. right?
rationally, that would be the only way for this law to work.

Otherwise, I could walk in drunkover the limit. Get served. Walk out and trip. Then sue?
LOL

I love laws which are just make-work for lawyers.
Unless there it's a felony with prison time behind it, most of these laws are pretty much ignored.

I feel so much safer


Actually, what it means is that taverns show a bit of responsibility. And care for their patrons. And oddly enough, a bit of due diligence on the part of those in the hospitality industry towards their patrons, is not a bad thing. It's not about nannying, but about insuring that your customers are good to drive. And that may mean free coffee, that may even mean keeping someone past closing to sober up, finding them a ride, calling them a cab, so that they don't injure themselves or others. It's called having some care, you callous prick, and here's hoping that you find yourself in an establishment where that is the rule when you get three sheets, so you don't wrap yourself around a telephone pole, or paste an innocent bystander.

We all have a responsibility to one another. That's the rule, babies: be kind.
 
2013-02-23 10:18:34 AM  

PreMortem: And what country do you live in where people get off with a warning for DUI?


Wisconsin. First offense is a fine of $150-300, license suspended for 6-9 months and no jail time required.  It's only a misdemeanor if a child under age 16 is also in the vehicle (and that's only as of 2010).
 The penalties do rise, but even on second offense the minimum jail term is 5 days (max 6 months) if its within 10 years of the prior DUI.
 The fourth offense is only a felony if its within 5 years of your last offense (also new as of 2010).

The only "strict" part of our laws is that we have an implied consent law, so if you're driving here and an officer suspects you of being under the influence you must submit to a blood, breath or urine test or its an automatic 1 year license suspension.
 
2013-02-23 10:20:46 AM  

flyinglizard: BarkingUnicorn: JesusJuice: Yeah, it sucks, but of course her boss fired her. What else could he do? I sure as hell wouldn't go to any bar where the bartender called the cops on me just for trying to drive home. He's running a business.

Perhaps if he hadn't fired her, no one would ever have known she called the cops.

But firing her is great PR.  Now everyone knows that he protects drunks and drunk drivers. Business will boom.  Sure, the liquor control folks could go undercover and bust him for over-serving.  But that's not going to happen to a VFW bar.

Yeah, but this was an American Legion Post.


Correct.  There is no business that can "boom." It is a Legion Post and you have to be a member to go in.  It is a "private club."  If that private club doesn't want to have a bartender that calls the cops on its members when they leave, they don't have to.

In addition, there isn't any proof that she was fired for this reason anyways so all the comments about the operator of the establishment are baseless.

Two days later, DeVito said that she got a call from her boss.
"He said, 'I'm going to have to fire you, because it's bad for business to have a bartender that will call the cops,'" DeVito said.



I say she is a lying coont until shown otherwise.
 
2013-02-23 10:26:32 AM  

Benjimin_Dover: flyinglizard: BarkingUnicorn: JesusJuice: Yeah, it sucks, but of course her boss fired her. What else could he do? I sure as hell wouldn't go to any bar where the bartender called the cops on me just for trying to drive home. He's running a business.

Perhaps if he hadn't fired her, no one would ever have known she called the cops.

But firing her is great PR.  Now everyone knows that he protects drunks and drunk drivers. Business will boom.  Sure, the liquor control folks could go undercover and bust him for over-serving.  But that's not going to happen to a VFW bar.

Yeah, but this was an American Legion Post.

Correct.  There is no business that can "boom." It is a Legion Post and you have to be a member to go in.  It is a "private club."  If that private club doesn't want to have a bartender that calls the cops on its members when they leave, they don't have to.

In addition, there isn't any proof that she was fired for this reason anyways so all the comments about the operator of the establishment are baseless.

Two days later, DeVito said that she got a call from her boss.
"He said, 'I'm going to have to fire you, because it's bad for business to have a bartender that will call the cops,'" DeVito said.


I say she is a lying coont until shown otherwise.


Except that in TFA, her boss admitted off camera that he considered it bad for business
 
2013-02-23 10:29:46 AM  
i wonder if the people who believe that she should have instead "insisted that the guy take a cab" have ever actually met other human beings, or if they are just turing machines.
 
2013-02-23 10:32:26 AM  
This is pretty much EVERY VFW i've been too - always a smashed drunk vet who starts early as possible in the morning and around 12 when the bar opens he heads to VFW to drink till whenever.
I usually hop in the VFW around 7pm right when happy hour is ending, generally quite a few are leaving at this point - I am simply amazed none have been in serious accidents at this point, and quite a few ride motorcycles.
Ironically we had a Vet die in a motorcycle accident (unrelated to drinking) and produced a bunch of "look twice for motorcycle" stickers to sell to cover the cost. Yet day after day quite a few leave the VFW drunk as hell.

/learned my lesson after the first DUI - I'm fortunate I have a DD that drives me whenever I feel like going out otherwise i'd stay home
 
2013-02-23 10:46:09 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: FTA: Bartenders are prohibited from serving an intoxicated person and could be held liable for any crash or injury that results, though.

Also FTA: "He said, 'I'm going to have to fire you, because it's bad for business to have a bartender that will call the cops,'" DeVito said.


Someone needs to remind the bartender's former boss that it would be far worse if the drunken driver caused an accident that resulted in someone's death. The family of the deceased would have every right to sue the bar into oblivion.


Yeah, if a bar patron kills someone in a DUI the bar owner is going to lose every last nickel in the lawsuit.
 
2013-02-23 10:55:27 AM  
You know, if I was the local police chief, I'd respond to that owners comment with one of my own:
"It's also bad for a bar if police permanently station an officer on their street who will pull over and breathalyze every single customer coming out of their parking lot."
 
2013-02-23 11:02:01 AM  

hubiestubert: Actually, what it means is that taverns show a bit of responsibility. And care for their patrons. And oddly enough, a bit of due diligence on the part of those in the hospitality industry towards their patrons, is not a bad thing. It's not about nannying, but about insuring that your customers are good to drive. And that may mean free coffee, that may even mean keeping someone past closing to sober up, finding them a ride, calling them a cab, so that they don't injure themselves or others. It's called having some care, you callous prick, and here's hoping that you find yourself in an establishment where that is the rule when you get three sheets, so you don't wrap yourself around a telephone pole, or paste an innocent bystander.

We all have a responsibility to one another. That's the rule, babies: be kind.


Not to mention it's better for business to take measures to prevent your patrons from dying, since a dead patron usually isn't much of a repeat patron.

/ I've had you farkied for a while, btw, cause you actually know wtf you're talking about in the hospitality business
 
2013-02-23 11:07:10 AM  

PreMortem: I'm sure that if she told him she would call the cops he would have made other arraingments.



Yes, because intoxicated people are notorious for their receptivity to reasoned suggestions, and their increased wisdom.

And something FTFA:
According to the Ohio Department of Public Safety, there is no law requiring a bartender to report a drunken-driver.

Bartenders are prohibited from serving an intoxicated person and could be held liable for any crash or injury that results, though.


Kinda seems like a catch-22... There's no law requiring it, but if you don't do it you're liable to be sued into oblivion.

And there's no way that bar owner's statements aren't going to be used against him now in future lawsuits. I'm sure lawyers all over that area have just put that story in to a safe deposit box. If someone does drive home drunk and kill themselves they're going to be busting out in court that the genius bar owner/manager is firing employees who try to stop drunk patrons from driving home drunk.
 
2013-02-23 01:20:57 PM  
key line fromthe article right here : "DeVito said that the man was a regular at the bar and also served as an officer at the Legion Post. "

the calling the cops  was a useful cover in my opinion for firing her because she got on of thjer one arrested , not to say he would not have gotten busted himself for drunk driving.
 
2013-02-23 01:27:01 PM  

Pumpernickel bread: Her boss is right. It is bad for business. Patrons will start going elsewhere because they are worried about the bartender narcing on them, even if they are drinking reasonable amounts. If you feel compelled to report people who may be driving drunk, bar tending isn't the profession for you

Should have just insisted the guy take a cab


How it the bartender supposed to gauge whether the person can operate a vehicle? Cops have standardized tests and breathalyzers. Making the bartender or customer gauge the level of intoxication to see whether it is at the 0.08 magic level is stupid.

The solution is to make the level for DUI more like 0.02. Then it's real simple - if you consume ANY amount of alcholoh, you don't drive for 4 hours. No more of this "2 beers is OK" BS. If you want to make drinking and driving illegal, then make it illegal.
 
2013-02-23 02:00:00 PM  
No one likes a rat!  Especially one like her.
 
2013-02-23 04:23:51 PM  
Came for this. Disappointed.encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
 
2013-02-23 05:22:12 PM  

Genevieve Marie: The bar I used to work at kept an off duty cop on the premises just for this purpose. He patrolled the parking lot, and if he saw anyone who looked drunk getting into their car, he'd walk up and tell them that if they started the car, they'd be arrested and he strongly suggested they call a cab.

We would alert him to anyone we thought was drinking too much. It worked beautifully.

This woman though? Clearly didn't have the kind of support from the owner to have something like that in place. She did the right thing. And no one knows if she tried to warn him first or tried to take his keys away or call a cab. I had folks get belligerent with me over that many times. It was helpful to know that I didn't have to keep arguing with stupid drunk folks- I could just let the officer deal with them.


This.  The drunk was hammered before this bartender arrived.  His previous bartender didn't cut him off.  The new one didn't cut him off, just "tried to slow him down."  They were obviously under orders to keep the money coming in, or else.  The owner's remark about morality vs. business iced the cake.  Take his license.
 
2013-02-23 05:27:35 PM  

Capt. Sparkles: A buddy of mine lives over in Seattle and works part-time as a bartender. According to him, Washington state law says that it's illegal to refuse to serve alcohol to pregnant women. He says the only way you can legally skirt the law is to serve them at least one drink and then cut them off for having had "too many." Apparently, how many is too many is entirely up to the bartender's judgment. I know it's not quite the same as refusing to serve a guy who's already completely shiatfaced, but it sort of reminded me of that.


Good law.
 
2013-02-23 05:30:52 PM  

if_i_really_have_to: So why SHOULD a bartender warn a moron before calling the cops?


To keep her job.
 
2013-02-23 05:42:45 PM  
She probably served him Miller Lite, the beer that made Milwaukee sober™.

/copyright, all rights reserved
 
2013-02-24 12:37:40 AM  

Loren: Yeah, if a bar patron kills someone in a DUI the bar owner is going to lose every last nickel in the lawsuit.


Don't they have insurance for this? If not I don't see anyone opening a bar.
 
2013-02-24 05:30:11 PM  
Let me get this straight.  A bartender reports a criminal act to the police, is fired for doing just that, and half of fark says "good"?

I'm just curious, but are any of you responsible adults?  (now, would your parents say you are?)
 
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