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2013-02-23 04:49:13 AM  

special20: PreMortem:

I'm sure that if she told him she would call the cops he would have made other arrangements.

This. What the bartender did was "shiatty" - regardless of what unknown circumstance would become of the patron driving home. Cut the idiot off, offer to call him a cab, ask for his or her car key. There are way less passive-aggressive things to do other than be a damn FINK.


For all you know, she was busy as hell and serving other patrons and he was out the door and in his car before she could do anything else. Or maybe he was rude and aggressive and she was afraid to confront him directly. Or maybe she'd tried to take away his keys and offered to call him a cab and he'd rejected that. All we know is that the guy tried to drive away drunk at twice the legal limit- and this woman quite possibly prevented him from killing himself or someone else.

A DUI is not the end of the world. It sucks for sure, but it would have been a lot worse if he'd gotten into a bad accident on the way home.
 
2013-02-23 04:57:50 AM  

Genevieve Marie: The bar I used to work at kept an off duty cop on the premises just for this purpose. He patrolled the parking lot, and if he saw anyone who looked drunk getting into their car, he'd walk up and tell them that if they started the car, they'd be arrested and he strongly suggested they call a cab.

We would alert him to anyone we thought was drinking too much. It worked beautifully.

This woman though? Clearly didn't have the kind of support from the owner to have something like that in place. She did the right thing. And no one knows if she tried to warn him first or tried to take his keys away or call a cab. I had folks get belligerent with me over that many times. It was helpful to know that I didn't have to keep arguing with stupid drunk folks- I could just let the officer deal with them.


That's kinda cool, worst I had was three older guy's sat down at my table and one other guys says three beers please so I bring them and a short while later one of the guys starts acting up and showing he's drunk. I was actually ticked that they brought the drunk guy in but I just brought water to the table and quietly told the guy that ordered that their friend could be arrested on public intoxication. Cool thing was I still got a good tip.
 
2013-02-23 04:59:41 AM  

special20: PreMortem:

I'm sure that if she told him she would call the cops he would have made other arrangements.

This. What the bartender did was "shiatty" - regardless of what unknown circumstance would become of the patron driving home. Cut the idiot off, offer to call him a cab, ask for his or her car key. There are way less passive-aggressive things to do other than be a damn FINK.


If the bartender over-served him I agree.
 
2013-02-23 04:59:42 AM  
I'm going to guess she finally got tired of his sorry alcoholic ass and decided she had had enough.

/probably she spent one too many nights worrying if tonight's the night he kills somebody
 
2013-02-23 04:59:46 AM  
"He said, 'I'm going to have to fire you, because it's bad for business to have a bartender that will call the cops,'" DeVito said.

Yeah, pretty much fark you, buddy.
 
2013-02-23 05:03:22 AM  

wallywam1: "He said, 'I'm going to have to fire you, because it's bad for business to have a bartender that will call the cops,'" DeVito said.

Yeah, pretty much fark you, buddy.


Yea, pretty much the follow up is place losses liqueur license. In the class I had to take to serve booze that was the last resort but if you didn't do it and they kill someone your world is gonna suck..
 
2013-02-23 05:05:58 AM  

doglover: There's no good way to to add in light rail or make people drink less, so another passive solution must be found.


I think changing the zoning laws so you could actually have a neighborhood pub within walking/very short driving distance.  Won't work in rural areas but would be a lot better than zoning all the bars to locations where you have to drive.

/spare me the 'you don't have to drive' lecture
//not you dog but the rest of Farkdom who will jump on that
 
2013-02-23 05:06:10 AM  
She should have been fired for serving an obviously intoxicated customer, as should the previous bartender who apparently got him that way. Had she refused to serve, asked him to call a cab/surrender keys/not drive, and then called the cops, I'd have zero issue. She shouldn't be fired for calling the cops though, which is what they did.
 
2013-02-23 05:10:53 AM  

relaxitsjustme: doglover: There's no good way to to add in light rail or make people drink less, so another passive solution must be found.

I think changing the zoning laws so you could actually have a neighborhood pub within walking/very short driving distance.  Won't work in rural areas but would be a lot better than zoning all the bars to locations where you have to drive.

/spare me the 'you don't have to drive' lecture
//not you dog but the rest of Farkdom who will jump on that


This, so much this, tear down neighborhood church's and put up neighborhood bars.
/Damn church's woke me up with the bell ringing on Sunday morning after I worked a double.
 
2013-02-23 05:13:52 AM  

cptjeff: jaylectricity: But drunk driving gets everybody's panties in a twist. Maybe for good reason. I'm not smart enough to make that determination.

It kills about 10,000 people a year.


And this bar needs to lose its license. The police might have a word or two with the owner about encouraging illegal behavior, and they're probably not thrilled with the whole firing people for reporting a crime thing.


If the owner thinks reporting a drunk driver is bad for business, I wonder what he'd think having a regular stream of patrol cars out front would do for business. Or perhaps he'd like a patrol car parked at the parking lot entrance.
 
2013-02-23 05:15:16 AM  

Genevieve Marie: special20: PreMortem:

I'm sure that if she told him she would call the cops he would have made other arrangements.

This. What the bartender did was "shiatty" - regardless of what unknown circumstance would become of the patron driving home. Cut the idiot off, offer to call him a cab, ask for his or her car key. There are way less passive-aggressive things to do other than be a damn FINK.

For all you know, she was busy as hell and serving other patrons and he was out the door and in his car before she could do anything else. Or maybe he was rude and aggressive and she was afraid to confront him directly. Or maybe she'd tried to take away his keys and offered to call him a cab and he'd rejected that. All we know is that the guy tried to drive away drunk at twice the legal limit- and this woman quite possibly prevented him from killing himself or someone else.

A DUI is not the end of the world. It sucks for sure, but it would have been a lot worse if he'd gotten into a bad accident on the way home.


Yet she HAD THE TIME to drop a dime. If I may project, as you do, then perhaps she just didn't like the guy, and schemed to hurt him because she found him personally offensive.
It's possible all this had NOTHING at all to do with public safety.
 
2013-02-23 05:17:15 AM  
Except given the guy was 2x the legal limit, she was hardly scheming to hurt him. That's pretty farking trashed, especially for an old drunk who's got some tolerance.
 
2013-02-23 05:18:24 AM  

special20: Yet she HAD THE TIME to drop a dime. If I may project, as you do, then perhaps she just didn't like the guy, and schemed to hurt him because she found him personally offensive.
It's possible all this had NOTHING at all to do with public safety.


Nothing would have happened to him if he hadn't been trying to drive at twice the legal limit. That's not a few beers drunk. That's waaaaay too drunk to drive. That's on him- it was his responsibility to either stay sober enough to drive home or to make other transportation arrangements, and even if she did dislike the guy- there's no getting around the fact that he had no business trying to drive in that condition.
 
2013-02-23 05:20:42 AM  

ParallelUniverseParking: If only there were some kind of service you could call to have them pick you up and drive you home for a small fee in return.


that would be ideal, but all i know of are Taxi services.
 
2013-02-23 05:21:59 AM  

midnightmoon: DRUNK DRIVERS DON'T KILL PEOPLE!
BAD DRUNK DRIVERS DO!


no, no, no... it's:

DRUNK DRIVERS DON'T KILL PEOPLE!
CARS KILL PEOPLE!
 
2013-02-23 05:24:45 AM  
Is it because the patrons are veterans that they get a pass on obeying the law and can drive drunk withput consequences?
 
2013-02-23 05:24:56 AM  

special20: Genevieve Marie: special20: PreMortem:

I'm sure that if she told him she would call the cops he would have made other arrangements.

This. What the bartender did was "shiatty" - regardless of what unknown circumstance would become of the patron driving home. Cut the idiot off, offer to call him a cab, ask for his or her car key. There are way less passive-aggressive things to do other than be a damn FINK.

For all you know, she was busy as hell and serving other patrons and he was out the door and in his car before she could do anything else. Or maybe he was rude and aggressive and she was afraid to confront him directly. Or maybe she'd tried to take away his keys and offered to call him a cab and he'd rejected that. All we know is that the guy tried to drive away drunk at twice the legal limit- and this woman quite possibly prevented him from killing himself or someone else.

A DUI is not the end of the world. It sucks for sure, but it would have been a lot worse if he'd gotten into a bad accident on the way home.

Yet she HAD THE TIME to drop a dime. If I may project, as you do, then perhaps she just didn't like the guy, and schemed to hurt him because she found him personally offensive.
It's possible all this had NOTHING at all to do with public safety.


you sound drunk
 
2013-02-23 05:25:13 AM  

Genevieve Marie: special20: Yet she HAD THE TIME to drop a dime. If I may project, as you do, then perhaps she just didn't like the guy, and schemed to hurt him because she found him personally offensive.
It's possible all this had NOTHING at all to do with public safety.

Nothing would have happened to him if he hadn't been trying to drive at twice the legal limit. That's not a few beers drunk. That's waaaaay too drunk to drive. That's on him- it was his responsibility to either stay sober enough to drive home or to make other transportation arrangements, and even if she did dislike the guy- there's no getting around the fact that he had no business trying to drive in that condition.


So very true, and the reason I drink at home not when I'm out granted I don't think I could pull that high a score. Also sometimes a person comes in for a drink and you think they're okay and well hell you realize they're a lawsuit waiting to happen.
 
2013-02-23 05:33:28 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: Genevieve Marie: special20: Yet she HAD THE TIME to drop a dime. If I may project, as you do, then perhaps she just didn't like the guy, and schemed to hurt him because she found him personally offensive.
It's possible all this had NOTHING at all to do with public safety.

Nothing would have happened to him if he hadn't been trying to drive at twice the legal limit. That's not a few beers drunk. That's waaaaay too drunk to drive. That's on him- it was his responsibility to either stay sober enough to drive home or to make other transportation arrangements, and even if she did dislike the guy- there's no getting around the fact that he had no business trying to drive in that condition.

So very true, and the reason I drink at home not when I'm out granted I don't think I could pull that high a score. Also sometimes a person comes in for a drink and you think they're okay and well hell you realize they're a lawsuit waiting to happen.


My brother is like that. He can be almost blacked-out drunk, and for a while he won't exhibit any signs. Most people won't think he's had anything to drink until he curls up on the floor and goes to sleep.
 
2013-02-23 05:40:44 AM  

davidphogan: Isn't it illegal to serve someone you know is already drunk anyway pretty much everywhere?  I know at least in some states the bar owner could use that as a reason to fire her.  She admitted serving an already visibly intoxicated guy more beer, why not just say that you were scared of the liability of keeping a bartender on who knowingly gave someone who was already drunk more alcohol?


A buddy of mine lives over in Seattle and works part-time as a bartender. According to him, Washington state law says that it's illegal to refuse to serve alcohol to pregnant women. He says the only way you can legally skirt the law is to serve them at least one drink and then cut them off for having had "too many." Apparently, how many is too many is entirely up to the bartender's judgment. I know it's not quite the same as refusing to serve a guy who's already completely shiatfaced, but it sort of reminded me of that.
 
2013-02-23 05:44:04 AM  
As a former bartender, I'll say: It's very tough to know when to cut someone off. Especially if they were drinking before your shift started. If you make a habit of cutting off drunk people, there's a good chance you'd end up fired pretty quickly for hurting business.

You obviously want to cut off someone who's heading into alcohol poisoning territory, but someone who's just happily drunk with their friends and taking a cab back home? Yea, technically you're serving an intoxicated person but that's kind of your job.

I think I cut off maybe five or six people in the five years I bartended. I kept a whole lot more people than that from driving home though.
 
2013-02-23 05:47:00 AM  

Notabunny: tinfoil-hat maggie: Genevieve Marie: special20: Yet she HAD THE TIME to drop a dime. If I may project, as you do, then perhaps she just didn't like the guy, and schemed to hurt him because she found him personally offensive.
It's possible all this had NOTHING at all to do with public safety.

Nothing would have happened to him if he hadn't been trying to drive at twice the legal limit. That's not a few beers drunk. That's waaaaay too drunk to drive. That's on him- it was his responsibility to either stay sober enough to drive home or to make other transportation arrangements, and even if she did dislike the guy- there's no getting around the fact that he had no business trying to drive in that condition.

So very true, and the reason I drink at home not when I'm out granted I don't think I could pull that high a score. Also sometimes a person comes in for a drink and you think they're okay and well hell you realize they're a lawsuit waiting to happen.

My brother is like that. He can be almost blacked-out drunk, and for a while he won't exhibit any signs. Most people won't think he's had anything to drink until he curls up on the floor and goes to sleep.


Oh, sorry but yea that's the type I'm talking about.

Oh, and FTFA:
According to the Ohio Department of Public Safety, there is no law requiring a bartender to report a drunken-driver.

Bartenders are prohibited from serving an intoxicated person and could be held liable for any crash or injury that results, though.


What was she supposed to do? And I really hate those laws like that, I could've lost more than I ever made serving because of one idiot.
 
2013-02-23 05:49:07 AM  
The bartender should sue. Given they said they fired him for reporting a crime, he will win.

The management was stupid for telling him why he was fired. He'd pretty much have no case without their own admission.  I hope he takes them to the cleaners.
 
2013-02-23 05:51:20 AM  

Genevieve Marie: As a former bartender, I'll say: It's very tough to know when to cut someone off. Especially if they were drinking before your shift started. If you make a habit of cutting off drunk people, there's a good chance you'd end up fired pretty quickly for hurting business.

You obviously want to cut off someone who's heading into alcohol poisoning territory, but someone who's just happily drunk with their friends and taking a cab back home? Yea, technically you're serving an intoxicated person but that's kind of your job.

I think I cut off maybe five or six people in the five years I bartended. I kept a whole lot more people than that from driving home though.


It's a fine line and well I was in a restaurant in a hotel so I would find out where they were going while serving them and as long as they were cool, hey.
 
2013-02-23 06:02:34 AM  
I can see why it would be nice for a bartender to try and warn a patron first.  But in this day and age why should they have to?  Is there anyone in any civilised country that isn't aware of drink driving limits?  And that you shouldn't drive after drinking?

The moron is aware of the law.  The moron clearly went to the bar with the intent of getting that drunk (or drunker). The moron drove there, knowing they would be driving home munted.  The moron had the clear intent from the get go to break the law.  Most drunk drivers do.

There's not actually many people who go "whoopsy, meant to have two beers, accidentally had seven, silly me, oh well have to get home somehow so driving it is".  No, their intent when they drive to the bar is to get drunk and drive home.  They simply figure they won't get caught, and don't care about the risk they are causing others.

So why SHOULD a bartender warn a moron before calling the cops?  The threat of legal problems didn't stop them acting like a moron in the first place, they should lie in the bed they made.  Maybe it will change their behaviour before they maim or kill someone (other than themselves, who cares if they do that).
 
2013-02-23 06:07:31 AM  

if_i_really_have_to: So why SHOULD a bartender warn a moron before calling the cops?


For business?
 
2013-02-23 06:11:29 AM  
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2013-02-23 06:11:56 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: FTA: Bartenders are prohibited from serving an intoxicated person and could be held liable for any crash or injury that results, though.

Also FTA: "He said, 'I'm going to have to fire you, because it's bad for business to have a bartender that will call the cops,'" DeVito said.


Someone needs to remind the bartender's former boss that it would be far worse if the drunken driver caused an accident that resulted in someone's death. The family of the deceased would have every right to sue the bar into oblivion.


Not going to read thru the whole thread because I'm drunk - so this may have been said - but I was on a business trip staying at a hotel and had a few too many with my co-worker at the hotel bar and the bartender cut me off.  I wasn't being obnoxious or anything of the sort, I'm a happy drunk.  She was counting drinks. All I had to do was get on the elevator and go to my room.  No drinking and driving involved. She was right to cut me off.   It isn't all about the liability of serving someone who is getting behind the wheel.  She should have cut me off sooner, because it was the only night that I ended-up in bed with a woman that I cannot remember her name, probably because she never told me.  True story.  Anyway, the bartender did the right thing.  Regardless of law.
 
2013-02-23 06:16:33 AM  

riverwalk barfly: Bathia_Mapes: FTA: Bartenders are prohibited from serving an intoxicated person and could be held liable for any crash or injury that results, though.

Also FTA: "He said, 'I'm going to have to fire you, because it's bad for business to have a bartender that will call the cops,'" DeVito said.


Someone needs to remind the bartender's former boss that it would be far worse if the drunken driver caused an accident that resulted in someone's death. The family of the deceased would have every right to sue the bar into oblivion.

Not going to read thru the whole thread because I'm drunk - so this may have been said - but I was on a business trip staying at a hotel and had a few too many with my co-worker at the hotel bar and the bartender cut me off.  I wasn't being obnoxious or anything of the sort, I'm a happy drunk.  She was counting drinks. All I had to do was get on the elevator and go to my room.  No drinking and driving involved. She was right to cut me off.   It isn't all about the liability of serving someone who is getting behind the wheel.  She should have cut me off sooner, because it was the only night that I ended-up in bed with a woman that I cannot remember her name, probably because she never told me.  True story.  Anyway, the bartender did the right thing.  Regardless of law.


Oh sorry about that I thought you liked her, and well I knew you were going back to you're room and anyway sorry ; )
 
2013-02-23 06:19:46 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: riverwalk barfly: Bathia_Mapes: FTA: Bartenders are prohibited from serving an intoxicated person and could be held liable for any crash or injury that results, though.

Also FTA: "He said, 'I'm going to have to fire you, because it's bad for business to have a bartender that will call the cops,'" DeVito said.


Someone needs to remind the bartender's former boss that it would be far worse if the drunken driver caused an accident that resulted in someone's death. The family of the deceased would have every right to sue the bar into oblivion.

Not going to read thru the whole thread because I'm drunk - so this may have been said - but I was on a business trip staying at a hotel and had a few too many with my co-worker at the hotel bar and the bartender cut me off.  I wasn't being obnoxious or anything of the sort, I'm a happy drunk.  She was counting drinks. All I had to do was get on the elevator and go to my room.  No drinking and driving involved. She was right to cut me off.   It isn't all about the liability of serving someone who is getting behind the wheel.  She should have cut me off sooner, because it was the only night that I ended-up in bed with a woman that I cannot remember her name, probably because she never told me.  True story.  Anyway, the bartender did the right thing.  Regardless of law.

Oh sorry about that I thought you liked her, and well I knew you were going back to you're room and anyway sorry ; )


Thanks for a good chuckle on an early Saturday morning!
 
2013-02-23 06:27:15 AM  

riverwalk barfly: tinfoil-hat maggie: riverwalk barfly: Bathia_Mapes: FTA: Bartenders are prohibited from serving an intoxicated person and could be held liable for any crash or injury that results, though.

Also FTA: "He said, 'I'm going to have to fire you, because it's bad for business to have a bartender that will call the cops,'" DeVito said.


Someone needs to remind the bartender's former boss that it would be far worse if the drunken driver caused an accident that resulted in someone's death. The family of the deceased would have every right to sue the bar into oblivion.

Not going to read thru the whole thread because I'm drunk - so this may have been said - but I was on a business trip staying at a hotel and had a few too many with my co-worker at the hotel bar and the bartender cut me off.  I wasn't being obnoxious or anything of the sort, I'm a happy drunk.  She was counting drinks. All I had to do was get on the elevator and go to my room.  No drinking and driving involved. She was right to cut me off.   It isn't all about the liability of serving someone who is getting behind the wheel.  She should have cut me off sooner, because it was the only night that I ended-up in bed with a woman that I cannot remember her name, probably because she never told me.  True story.  Anyway, the bartender did the right thing.  Regardless of law.

Oh sorry about that I thought you liked her, and well I knew you were going back to you're room and anyway sorry ; )

Thanks for a good chuckle on an early Saturday morning!


Hey, if the story happened in Nashville it could be true ; )
 
2013-02-23 06:29:30 AM  
Calling the cops is the last thing to do. They'll be all pissed off for waking them up. Call a cab for the nice drunk.
 
2013-02-23 06:37:52 AM  

Deep Contact: Calling the cops is the last thing to do. They'll be all pissed off for waking them up. Call a cab for the nice drunk.


Yea, and if they don't want a cab?
 
2013-02-23 06:39:42 AM  
"I came into work, he was already there, pretty much hammered," DeVito said.

"He ordered a beer, I gave it to him, and then I started to try to slow it down, serving him," DeVito said.

So, she served an obviously intoxicated guy a few drinks then calls to cops on him for being drunk??
What a terrible bartender/person.

fark her.
 
2013-02-23 06:45:35 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: riverwalk barfly: tinfoil-hat maggie: riverwalk barfly: Bathia_Mapes: FTA: Bartenders are prohibited from serving an intoxicated person and could be held liable for any crash or injury that results, though.

Also FTA: "He said, 'I'm going to have to fire you, because it's bad for business to have a bartender that will call the cops,'" DeVito said.


Someone needs to remind the bartender's former boss that it would be far worse if the drunken driver caused an accident that resulted in someone's death. The family of the deceased would have every right to sue the bar into oblivion.

Not going to read thru the whole thread because I'm drunk - so this may have been said - but I was on a business trip staying at a hotel and had a few too many with my co-worker at the hotel bar and the bartender cut me off.  I wasn't being obnoxious or anything of the sort, I'm a happy drunk.  She was counting drinks. All I had to do was get on the elevator and go to my room.  No drinking and driving involved. She was right to cut me off.   It isn't all about the liability of serving someone who is getting behind the wheel.  She should have cut me off sooner, because it was the only night that I ended-up in bed with a woman that I cannot remember her name, probably because she never told me.  True story.  Anyway, the bartender did the right thing.  Regardless of law.

Oh sorry about that I thought you liked her, and well I knew you were going back to you're room and anyway sorry ; )

Thanks for a good chuckle on an early Saturday morning!

Hey, if the story happened in Nashville it could be true ; )


Houston.  oh well.
 
2013-02-23 06:51:00 AM  

riverwalk barfly: Houston. oh well.


Well, just know other guys have shared your fate ; )
 
2013-02-23 07:09:09 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: Deep Contact: Calling the cops is the last thing to do. They'll be all pissed off for waking them up. Call a cab for the nice drunk.

Yea, and if they don't want a cab?


your experience at a hotel restaurant is completely irrelevant. you deal with strangers, for the most part. you are not in a small town tending a bar full of local veterans. do you understand the difference?
 
2013-02-23 07:13:10 AM  

PreMortem: .167? Pfft, amateur. I blew .26 at the jail.

At least that coont won't bartend ever again.

Google search: "Twyla DeVito"


I think you mistyped: "I blew 26 inmates at the jail", is what you meant to say.
 
2013-02-23 07:20:26 AM  
As a bar owner, I can see this.  First, she admits he was hammered when she started working, then served him anyway.  That is illegal.  Right there that leaves the bartender and the business open to all kinds of trouble.  You also never call the cops unless you need to.  You don't want cops hanging around places that serve alcohol.  It's bad for business.  You call them a few times, now they are hanging around the area even when you haven't called them.  They are like feeding stray cats.  My employees know not to serve people who are visibly intoxicated and do not call the cops unless something is happening that you cannot take care of yourself.  So many others will keep serving people until they pass out at the bar.  Not a good idea...
 
2013-02-23 07:23:19 AM  
Bartender needs to find another line of work and subby needs to read Nineteen Eighty-Four.
 
2013-02-23 07:28:01 AM  

oukewldave: As a bar owner, I can see this.  First, she admits he was hammered when she started working, then served him anyway.  That is illegal.  Right there that leaves the bartender and the business open to all kinds of trouble.  You also never call the cops unless you need to.  You don't want cops hanging around places that serve alcohol.  It's bad for business.  You call them a few times, now they are hanging around the area even when you haven't called them.  They are like feeding stray cats.  My employees know not to serve people who are visibly intoxicated and do not call the cops unless something is happening that you cannot take care of yourself.  So many others will keep serving people until they pass out at the bar.  Not a good idea...


I read your post and wanted to say something snarky and then read it again and then one more time.  Your post makes perfect sense.  Seriously.
 
2013-02-23 07:38:08 AM  

oukewldave: As a bar owner, I can see this.  First, she admits he was hammered when she started working, then served him anyway.  That is illegal.  Right there that leaves the bartender and the business open to all kinds of trouble.


Exactly. And when they fired her they should have said this is why they fired her. Then there would be no trouble.

But no, they fired her for reporting a crime and moreso, told her this was the reason. When she sues them, and she will...  she's going to win big.
 
2013-02-23 07:41:10 AM  

Insurgent: tinfoil-hat maggie: Deep Contact: Calling the cops is the last thing to do. They'll be all pissed off for waking them up. Call a cab for the nice drunk.

Yea, and if they don't want a cab?

your experience at a hotel restaurant is completely irrelevant. you deal with strangers, for the most part. you are not in a small town tending a bar full of local veterans. do you understand the difference?


It surprises me how many stupid people like to stand up and proudly proclaim their stupid.
 
2013-02-23 07:43:31 AM  

Cheviot: oukewldave: As a bar owner, I can see this.  First, she admits he was hammered when she started working, then served him anyway.  That is illegal.  Right there that leaves the bartender and the business open to all kinds of trouble.

Exactly. And when they fired her they should have said this is why they fired her. Then there would be no trouble.

But no, they fired her for reporting a crime and moreso, told her this was the reason. When she sues them, and she will...  she's going to win big.


I agree.  The owner's reason was not well thought out.  Not sure how big of a win she would actually get if she took them to court over being fired from a bartending job.  Couldn't see more than a couple thousand at most.
 
2013-02-23 07:45:45 AM  

Katolu: PreMortem: .167? Pfft, amateur. I blew .26 at the jail.

At least that coont won't bartend ever again.

Google search: "Twyla DeVito"

I think you mistyped: "I blew 26 inmates at the jail", is what you meant to say.


You sound gay. I would not have jumped to that.

/NTTAWWT
 
2013-02-23 07:52:53 AM  

Capt. Sparkles: davidphogan: Isn't it illegal to serve someone you know is already drunk anyway pretty much everywhere?  I know at least in some states the bar owner could use that as a reason to fire her.  She admitted serving an already visibly intoxicated guy more beer, why not just say that you were scared of the liability of keeping a bartender on who knowingly gave someone who was already drunk more alcohol?

A buddy of mine lives over in Seattle and works part-time as a bartender. According to him, Washington state law says that it's illegal to refuse to serve alcohol to pregnant women. He says the only way you can legally skirt the law is to serve them at least one drink and then cut them off for having had "too many." Apparently, how many is too many is entirely up to the bartender's judgment. I know it's not quite the same as refusing to serve a guy who's already completely shiatfaced, but it sort of reminded me of that.


Tell your buddy that it is fairly common in europe for doctors to advise pregnant women that its ok to drink a small amount (after early pregnancy- early bad. )

he shouldnt worry about serving someone he can tell is pregnant 1 drink
 
2013-02-23 07:57:55 AM  

oukewldave: Cheviot: oukewldave: As a bar owner, I can see this.  First, she admits he was hammered when she started working, then served him anyway.  That is illegal.  Right there that leaves the bartender and the business open to all kinds of trouble.

Exactly. And when they fired her they should have said this is why they fired her. Then there would be no trouble.

But no, they fired her for reporting a crime and moreso, told her this was the reason. When she sues them, and she will...  she's going to win big.

I agree.  The owner's reason was not well thought out.  Not sure how big of a win she would actually get if she took them to court over being fired from a bartending job.  Couldn't see more than a couple thousand at most.


You'd think, except that she'll be unemployable as a bartender now. That's worth a fair amount of cash. To be realistic though, this will never get to trial.
 
2013-02-23 08:09:57 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: JesusJuice: Yeah, it sucks, but of course her boss fired her. What else could he do? I sure as hell wouldn't go to any bar where the bartender called the cops on me just for trying to drive home. He's running a business.

Perhaps if he hadn't fired her, no one would ever have known she called the cops.

But firing her is great PR.  Now everyone knows that he protects drunks and drunk drivers. Business will boom.  Sure, the liquor control folks could go undercover and bust him for over-serving.  But that's not going to happen to a VFW bar.


The cops are going to now park across the street and then pull over any patron that has spent more than an hour in there when they try and leave.
 
2013-02-23 08:11:42 AM  

if_i_really_have_to: I can see why it would be nice for a bartender to try and warn a patron first.  But in this day and age why should they have to?  Is there anyone in any civilised country that isn't aware of drink driving limits?  And that you shouldn't drive after drinking?

The moron is aware of the law.  The moron clearly went to the bar with the intent of getting that drunk (or drunker). The moron drove there, knowing they would be driving home munted.  The moron had the clear intent from the get go to break the law.  Most drunk drivers do.

There's not actually many people who go "whoopsy, meant to have two beers, accidentally had seven, silly me, oh well have to get home somehow so driving it is".  No, their intent when they drive to the bar is to get drunk and drive home.  They simply figure they won't get caught, and don't care about the risk they are causing others.

So why SHOULD a bartender warn a moron before calling the cops? The threat of legal problems didn't stop them acting like a moron in the first place, they should lie in the bed they made.  Maybe it will change their behaviour before they maim or kill someone (other than themselves, who cares if they do that).


Because if you just let them leave and then call the cops they may not intercept the person before they get into a wreck. You also open yourself up to liability. (You are practically admitting you overserved them to the point where you KNEW they were drunk.) So if you let a knee-walking drunk leave without trying to warn / stop them and you just call the cops--and that person pulls out of the bar parking lot and plows straight into someone before the cops could pull the guy over--you're FARKED. You've just let yourself be recorded by law enforcement AND practically admitting complicity in the unfortunate events.

THAT'S WHY.
 
2013-02-23 08:13:44 AM  
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