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2013-02-23 07:36:47 AM

swingerofbirches: These people who are going to defend against government tyranny with AK-47s . . . they do know that the American government has nuclear weapons, right?


>snerk<
 
2013-02-23 07:38:41 AM

Father_Jack: [s3-ec.buzzfed.com image 850x565][s3-ec.buzzfed.com image 850x565]
I hate when people douchify an sks.

if you want a "tacticool" rifle to play GI Joe with and mod up and stuff get a new AR or something. Leave the old school e. bloc stuf alone.


Oh, waaahh.

It takes 5 minutes to take it back to original.  The plastic stock and magazine aren't permanent modifications.  Oh, and I'm betting that guy doesn't have the money for an AR, the SKS probably cost him $300, including the plastic furniture.

And have you tried to find a new AR lately?
 
2013-02-23 07:41:06 AM

The Snow Dog: Or maybe that's just what he was comfortable shooting?

I don't know... My first deer was with a .243, as was my first elk and my only black bear. .243 IS plenty if you can put the rounds on target. (And that is very easy to do with that flat-shooting rifle.)


young hunters.   Listen to this.
 
2013-02-23 07:43:55 AM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: violentsalvation: But putting little kids in t-shirts that say they're willing to fight and die for their 2nd amendment rights is pretty sick.

Would you say the same if they replaced the 2nd amendment with the 1st, or the 13th?


YES.  They are farking kids.  They don't know what closely held beliefs they have yet, and a parent or authority figure saying you should die for them is farking sick.
 
2013-02-23 07:44:19 AM

DarkVader: Father_Jack: [s3-ec.buzzfed.com image 850x565][s3-ec.buzzfed.com image 850x565]
I hate when people douchify an sks.

if you want a "tacticool" rifle to play GI Joe with and mod up and stuff get a new AR or something. Leave the old school e. bloc stuf alone.

Oh, waaahh.

It takes 5 minutes to take it back to original.  The plastic stock and magazine aren't permanent modifications.  Oh, and I'm betting that guy doesn't have the money for an AR, the SKS probably cost him $300, including the plastic furniture.

And have you tried to find a new AR lately?


Better already have some bullets.
 
2013-02-23 07:44:36 AM

swingerofbirches: These people who are going to defend against government tyranny with AK-47s . . . they do know that the American government has nuclear weapons, right?


Yeah, because if you're going to fight an insurgency, nuking your own land is a fantastic, and not at all self defeating strategy.
 
2013-02-23 07:45:25 AM
Nice rack on picture 3

Scrolls down to picture 4

Wait Wut

Why don't you take a seat right over there
 
2013-02-23 07:45:58 AM

Shadowknight: BraveNewCheneyWorld: violentsalvation: But putting little kids in t-shirts that say they're willing to fight and die for their 2nd amendment rights is pretty sick.

Would you say the same if they replaced the 2nd amendment with the 1st, or the 13th?

YES.  They are farking kids.  They don't know what closely held beliefs they have yet, and a parent or authority figure saying you should die for them is farking sick.


Is that why they don't teach kids about Patrick Henry in school?
 
2013-02-23 07:46:24 AM

Shadowknight: BraveNewCheneyWorld: violentsalvation: But putting little kids in t-shirts that say they're willing to fight and die for their 2nd amendment rights is pretty sick.

Would you say the same if they replaced the 2nd amendment with the 1st, or the 13th?

YES.  They are farking kids.  They don't know what closely held beliefs they have yet, and a parent or authority figure saying you should die for them is farking sick.


Somehow, I just don't see teaching your kids that death is preferable to slavery as remotely immoral.
 
2013-02-23 07:49:01 AM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: swingerofbirches: These people who are going to defend against government tyranny with AK-47s . . . they do know that the American government has nuclear weapons, right?

Yeah, because if you're going to fight an insurgency, nuking your own land is a fantastic, and not at all self defeating strategy.


Forget the nukes.  Tactical bombs, cruise missiles, long range artillery, tanks, shoulder mounted weapons capable of taking down a house...  All this stuff kind of makes the whole point of the second amendment a bit moot.  Back when it was created, the citizens had the same access to the same weapons as the army, give or take a cannon or two.  The only thing that would stop today's US military would be the unwillingness of the army to wage total war on the populous and the actual military members unwillingness to attack their own countrymen.  

Hardware wise, you aren't going to "survive" long against an organization that could atomize your entire camp from a ship hundreds of miles away.
 
2013-02-23 07:51:26 AM

swingerofbirches: These people who are going to defend against government tyranny with AK-47s . . . they do know that the American government has nuclear weapons, right?


I'm so sick of hearing this from people who have spent no time studying the subject.
 
2013-02-23 07:51:35 AM

badhatharry: Is that why they don't teach kids about Patrick Henry in school?


BraveNewCheneyWorld: Somehow, I just don't see teaching your kids that death is preferable to slavery as remotely immoral.


I see a difference in teaching kids about it, and actually advocating and wearing branded gear saying that they are willing to die for it.  As a kid, I was taught about slavery, and the ultimate causes of the Civil War, and decided myself that yeah, it would have been a cause worth fighting and dying for.  These guys are putting a deadly toy in their hand and telling them "People out there want to take this penis extension from you. You need to be willing to die to stop them."

I can see the difference, myself.
 
2013-02-23 07:58:48 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: [ethanskar.com image 799x666]


i18.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-23 07:58:57 AM

badhatharry: Shadowknight: BraveNewCheneyWorld: violentsalvation: But putting little kids in t-shirts that say they're willing to fight and die for their 2nd amendment rights is pretty sick.

Would you say the same if they replaced the 2nd amendment with the 1st, or the 13th?

YES.  They are farking kids.  They don't know what closely held beliefs they have yet, and a parent or authority figure saying you should die for them is farking sick.

Is that why they don't teach kids about Patrick Henry in school?


Really? You must have gone to the wrong school.
 
2013-02-23 08:00:18 AM
I think i was about ten when tbe boy scouts put me on a rifle range, and maybe twelve when they had us sleeping outside in our own shelters unsupervised.
 
2013-02-23 08:01:21 AM

jehovahs witness protection: serial_crusher: max_pooper: Should I be surprised at the number of fat people in those pictures?

Pretty much this. I guess part of their survival plan involves storing up calories for hibernation?

And every time a camera crew heads to the ghetto, you see fat people of a different color "hawg" the cameras. Fat people have many other traits they share no matter what part of society they come from.


Well, for one, they are easier to spot, and take up more screen-space than thin people.
 
2013-02-23 08:02:32 AM

Livingroom: borg: [s3-ec.buzzfed.com image 850x565]This kid is terrified of his father

as well he should be. a crappy tapco SKS and a 38 for a sidearm? obviously his father knows nothing about guns! personally i carry a Beretta 92A1, a glock 19, and a glock 26 in my bugout kit- one in the pocket, two on the vest. 2 extra mags for each. my MBR is a Colt LE6920 with 400rds of tracer-LAP-Ball-Ball-Ball rotation in pmags. thats how a real american defends his woods! and by george, if i have to snipe me a critter, my mosin is up to the task. while heavy and unportable, for an encampment it makes a fine deer gun. not to mention that my YHM 7.62 Phantom works well on all the above rifles!


this, though not sure if serious - on one hand, you are and know what you are talking about, on the other, you're really good at research

/poor, so can't own everything he wants. but did manage to snag a lower receiver before the craze happened. now if parts would just be back in stock.
//suckers
///slashies
 
2013-02-23 08:04:15 AM
5. Conspiracy theories are not theories when there are conspiracies... but given that, it is quite apparent from our founding documents that there are safeguards in place to prevent or minimize the potential of conspiracies as much as possible.

Well, kinda this.  I don't at all believe that there is a secret meeting weekly in the crypt of the US Capitol where Our Liberal Overlords meet to plan our demise.  What I do think has happened is that:

(1)we've allowed the Government to wander so far away from its original intent that in order to continue to do their job and earn their share of the pie, they have to come up with ways to justify their existence - and that means that things they come up with are going to start infringing on our rights.  And unfortunately, that leads us to (2):  I really believe that to a great extent, the Government no longer exists to serve the people, but rather to perpetuate it's own existence and power.  When we have an entrenched political class that sadly seems to believe in power and control for its own sake, this is what we're going to get.- political showmen who will do anything for immediate gain rather than long-term thinking.

Do I believe that we need to go all Minuteman? No, no no, a thousand times no.  All we need to do is start voting people out instead of returning them to Congress for decades at a time.

There is no evil intent here - simply human nature.

/Heinlein picks up his Razor and nods
 
2013-02-23 08:06:46 AM
though, i have a 91/30 mosin myself, a yugo sks (chrome lined barrels rock), and a ruger mk 3 hunter. got an ar-15 lower on the way. wanted to get another pistol, either 40 or 45, but no cash.
 
2013-02-23 08:08:38 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: Fail in Human Form: tinfoil-hat maggie: Sorry I've known to many rednecks and their not gonna change.

Don't worry, the federal government is coming up with ways to deal with it:

"Detailed information on each category of ideological motivation can be found in the Profiles of Perpetrators of Terrorism-United States report compiled by the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism (Miller, Smarick, and Simone, 2011). Briefly, the report describes each category as follows:

Extreme Right-Wing: groups that believe that one's personal and/or national "way of life" is under attack and is either already lost or that the threat is imminent (for some the threat is from a specific ethnic, racial, or religious group), and believe in the need to be prepared for an attack either by participating in paramilitary preparations and training or survivalism.

Groups may also be fiercely nationalistic (as opposed to universal and international in orientation), anti-global, suspicious of centralized federal authority,  reverent of individual liberty, and believe in conspiracy theories that involve grave threat to national sovereignty and/or personal liberty."

sounds like these terrorists:
[www.stufffundieslike.com image 600x300]


those guys have very little in common with survivalists or the right in general.
 
2013-02-23 08:09:46 AM
"A Massachusetts doctor closed his eyes today when a court played a video that he filmed of his 8-year-old son shooting a powerful Uzi submachine gun that recoiled and shot the boy in the head, killing him. "

I'll feel bad for the kid when this inevitably occurs but I'd cross the street to kick the father in his nuts even while he crys.
 
2013-02-23 08:11:06 AM
Shadowknight: BraveNewCheneyWorld: swingerofbirches: These people who are going to defend against government tyranny with AK-47s . . . they do know that the American government has nuclear weapons, right?

Yeah, because if you're going to fight an insurgency, nuking your own land is a fantastic, and not at all self defeating strategy.

Forget the nukes. Tactical bombs, cruise missiles, long range artillery, tanks, shoulder mounted weapons capable of taking down a house... All this stuff kind of makes the whole point of the second amendment a bit moot. Back when it was created, the citizens had the same access to the same weapons as the army, give or take a cannon or two. The only thing that would stop today's US military would be the unwillingness of the army to wage total war on the populous and the actual military members unwillingness to attack their own countrymen.

Hardware wise, you aren't going to "survive" long against an organization that could atomize your entire camp from a ship hundreds of miles away.


Even with the weapons we have today, good luck fighting any kind of sizable insurgency hidden within the land area of the U.S., that also happens to be the origin of your own supply lines. Wars are not won solely by those people on the front lines, the bulk of the victory is behind the lines in the manufacturing and supply chain. 3 guys in a tank can kill a hundred people, but take away that supply chain and a hundred people will kill that tank crew with ease. You're talking out of your ass, you know literally nothing about war.

Shadowknight: badhatharry: Is that why they don't teach kids about Patrick Henry in school?

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Somehow, I just don't see teaching your kids that death is preferable to slavery as remotely immoral.

I see a difference in teaching kids about it, and actually advocating and wearing branded gear saying that they are willing to die for it.  As a kid, I was taught about slavery, and the ultimate causes of the Civil War, and decided myself that yeah, it would have been a cause worth fighting and dying for.  These guys are putting a deadly toy in their hand and telling them "People out there want to take this penis extension from you. You need to be willing to die to stop them."

I can see the difference, myself.


"that's different" isn't an argument.

And the whole "penis extension" thing.. just makes you look like an asshole who can't think for him/herself.
 
2013-02-23 08:24:02 AM
Our paths in life are selected for us. Those kids are on a tough path.
 
2013-02-23 08:28:21 AM

way south: The purpose of keeping weapons around isn't just for rebellion against the government,


You're right. The purpose of the 2nd Amendment was less to empower citizens to murder law enforcement officers, soldiers, and sailors. Its primary purpose was to guarantee the right of slave states to maintain militias to put down slave rebellions.
 
2013-02-23 08:30:54 AM

mittromneysdog: way south: The purpose of keeping weapons around isn't just for rebellion against the government,

You're right. The purpose of the 2nd Amendment was less to empower citizens to murder law enforcement officers, soldiers, and sailors. Its primary purpose was to guarantee the right of slave states to maintain militias to put down slave rebellions.


lols, you just can't make this stuff up. Or, rather, you can.
 
2013-02-23 08:31:52 AM

Fail in Human Form: HindiDiscoMonster: jso2897: Jon iz teh kewl: AK-47's, glocks.  they're all the same if u ask me

Yeah, it's pretty much boring nerd-shiat if yoiu don't have OCD or Asperger's.Fail in Human Form: Every free man and woman should understand the basics of being a rifleman.

Well, basically, this is your rifle, and this is your gun............

i looooove that movie

My buddy and I watched that movie about a dozen times before basic.  I remember sitting on my duffel bag at reception center getting ready to head out on the bus.  One of the guys was smiling and one of our future drill sergeants came over and said, "Are you having a good time private?  Don't worry we'll fix that".  My first thought was farkkkkkkk here we go.


you have cool quotes in your profile
 
2013-02-23 08:34:32 AM
I'm thinking about buying my son one of those 10/22 AK47s for his 21st birthday.  Or an older Enfield Glock.
 
2013-02-23 08:37:29 AM

evilotto: All the paramilitary wackiness aside, teaching kids safe firearms handling is not a bad thing.


And they have a father who takes an active interest in their lives, doesn't beat them, and spends time with them on his court directed every fourth weekend.  I'm sure my kids were just as traumatized by me dragging them into the woods to search for fossils every couple months.  We didn't play dress up with camo like the dad from TFA, but we did get pretty darn muddy and we packed some extremely dangerous weapons: Picks, hand sledges, and or course everyone knows that geologist hammers are one relatively light swing away from a killing instrument..
 
2013-02-23 08:38:43 AM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: "that's different" isn't an argument.


"That's different" is the whole basis of western jurisprudence since probably the Roman Empire. It's all about whether this case is different or the same as the last case like it. Someone should tell every lawyer for the past two and a half millennia that they haven't been making arguments.

And the whole "penis extension" thing.. just makes you look like an asshole who can't think for him/herself.

Looks like someone hit a nerve. Welcome to Fark. In fact, empirical research shows a link between firearms fanaticism and small penis size. Moreover, degree of fanaticism correlates with smallness of penis. Science.
 
2013-02-23 08:44:30 AM
The worrisome part is that they consider fellow Americans who disagree with them as the enemy.
 
2013-02-23 08:48:34 AM
i.imgur.com

I think they need to watch out for tail end charlie...
 
2013-02-23 08:50:31 AM

mittromneysdog: BraveNewCheneyWorld: "that's different" isn't an argument.

"That's different" is the whole basis of western jurisprudence since probably the Roman Empire. It's all about whether this case is different or the same as the last case like it. Someone should tell every lawyer for the past two and a half millennia that they haven't been making arguments.

And the whole "penis extension" thing.. just makes you look like an asshole who can't think for him/herself.

Looks like someone hit a nerve. Welcome to Fark. In fact, empirical research shows a link between firearms fanaticism and small penis size. Moreover, degree of fanaticism correlates with smallness of penis. Science.


Normally I don't give a crap about something like this, but I really have to ask you provide the legal and scientific articles for those claims.  I'm actually quite interested to see if you can pull it off (no pun intended).

/does not own a firearm
 
2013-02-23 08:51:37 AM

Yogimus: Shadowknight: jat26006: Nothing tactical that I could see.  Even remotely.  ESp dude on cellphone.

He was discussing tactics.  He was tactically ordering a dozen pizzas so his "squad" could have lunch.  And he strategically made sure that one had no olives.  His "commander" hates olives.  And he probably "covertly" put it on his buddy's credit card.

Yea, no way tactical.  Real military never uses cell phones. Ever.


How's that straw man working out for ya?  Never said anything you just argued.
 
2013-02-23 08:55:05 AM

mittromneysdog: BraveNewCheneyWorld: "that's different" isn't an argument.

"That's different" is the whole basis of western jurisprudence since probably the Roman Empire. It's all about whether this case is different or the same as the last case like it. Someone should tell every lawyer for the past two and a half millennia that they haven't been making arguments.


No, I'm pretty sure you have to back it up with well reasoned arguments as to why "that's different".

mittromneysdog: Looks like someone hit a nerve. Welcome to Fark. In fact, empirical research shows a link between firearms fanaticism and small penis size. Moreover, degree of fanaticism correlates with smallness of penis. Science.


Right, it has nothing to do with the fact that the penis size thing is completely overused and not funny.  Anyone who says it gets instantly branded as equal intelligence as someone who thinks the "chicken crossing the road joke" is funny.

Honestly, if you even want to discuss the topic seriously, why is an expensive car a penis extension if for no other reason that is shows women that a man can provide?  Isn't a gun the exact opposite?  Wouldn't a gun be like a crutch supplementing physical dominance, which would mean that gun owners are likely very secure with their penis size?
 
2013-02-23 08:55:33 AM

Okoboji: Normally I don't give a crap about something like this, but I really have to ask you provide the legal and scientific articles for those claims.


Absurdity! This is a Fark thread, not an academic seminar!
 
2013-02-23 08:58:15 AM

cretinbob: To think you are going to defend anyone from anything is delusional.


Certinaly not the guvmint. Special Ops: would it take them even 5 minutes to waltz in and out? No.

Those kids look like they'd rather be at home playing with their own toys.
 
2013-02-23 08:58:29 AM
i would have loved for my Dad to have spent some time with me. he was either working, drunk or passed out.
 
2013-02-23 09:00:22 AM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: No, I'm pretty sure you have to back it up with well reasoned arguments as to why "that's different".


Nonetheless, you are wrong that "that's different isn't an argument." And sometimes, simple recitation of facts is persuasive enough. In this case, if the difference between teaching children about firearms safety, and putting a gun in their hand and telling them they need to kill liberals isn't apparent to you, then you're the one with the problem, not the poster.
 
2013-02-23 09:01:26 AM
There was an episode of "Burn Notice" that covered this kind of group well.

/ Why yes it was in Florida.
 
2013-02-23 09:04:49 AM

lewismarktwo: mittromneysdog: way south: The purpose of keeping weapons around isn't just for rebellion against the government,

You're right. The purpose of the 2nd Amendment was less to empower citizens to murder law enforcement officers, soldiers, and sailors. Its primary purpose was to guarantee the right of slave states to maintain militias to put down slave rebellions.

lols, you just can't make this stuff up. Or, rather, you can.


Virginia refused to ratify without some way to ensure it could protect itself from its slaves. Its other purpose was to help slaughter Native Americans. So the Heller decision was right on one point: the 2nd Amendment was designed to help ensure the right of self-defense--against slaves and persons displaced from their homelands.
 
2013-02-23 09:06:21 AM

swingerofbirches: These people who are going to defend against government tyranny with AK-47s . . . they do know that the American government has nuclear weapons, right?


I'm pretty sure the American Govt has a NO NUKES AT HOME policy.

Thanks for playing though.
 
2013-02-23 09:08:55 AM

Livingroom: borg: [s3-ec.buzzfed.com image 850x565]This kid is terrified of his father

as well he should be. a crappy tapco SKS and a 38 for a sidearm? obviously his father knows nothing about guns! personally i carry a Beretta 92A1, a glock 19, and a glock 26 in my bugout kit- one in the pocket, two on the vest. 2 extra mags for each. my MBR is a Colt LE6920 with 400rds of tracer-LAP-Ball-Ball-Ball rotation in pmags. thats how a real american defends his woods! and by george, if i have to snipe me a critter, my mosin is up to the task. while heavy and unportable, for an encampment it makes a fine deer gun. not to mention that my YHM 7.62 Phantom works well on all the above rifles!


+1 for the Phantom.
 
2013-02-23 09:09:20 AM
s3-ec.buzzfed.com

This one is just begging to be 'shopped.
 
2013-02-23 09:09:38 AM
s3-ec.buzzfed.com

This kid is busy fapping.
 
2013-02-23 09:12:12 AM

jaybeezey: I'm pretty sure the American Govt has a NO NUKES AT HOME policy.

Thanks for playing though.


Nevada would like to have a word.  Though, also take into account we said we would never torture, yet advocate waterboarding.  We don't discriminate, though we have a history of internment camps that we only relatively recently officially acknowledged as wrong and apologized for.

Not saying that they'd actually nuke a home-brewed insurrection on American soil, as it would render the land and infrastructure unusable.  But I've learned never to say never when in regards to American craziness.
 
2013-02-23 09:17:48 AM

Shadowknight: jaybeezey: I'm pretty sure the American Govt has a NO NUKES AT HOME policy.

Thanks for playing though.

Nevada would like to have a word.  Though, also take into account we said we would never torture, yet advocate waterboarding.  We don't discriminate, though we have a history of internment camps that we only relatively recently officially acknowledged as wrong and apologized for.

Not saying that they'd actually nuke a home-brewed insurrection on American soil, as it would render the land and infrastructure unusable.  But I've learned never to say never when in regards to American craziness.


If you would like to see what that might look like  watch Jericho.
 
2013-02-23 09:20:13 AM
Lot of consistency fail in the notes and the pictures
First the girl has an AK
Then a Ruger 10/22
Then the boy cries he wants her gun
So he ends up with a lever action 22
 
2013-02-23 09:21:59 AM

gerbilpox: [i.imgur.com image 597x395]

First thing I thought of.


Love that movie.
 
2013-02-23 09:23:05 AM

Evil Mackerel: If you would like to see what that might look like  watch Jericho.


LOVE that freaking show.  It got such a raw deal from CBS.
 
2013-02-23 09:24:35 AM
I hate when people hang all sorts of useless sh*t off of an SKS.  Even those Tech-Sights.  Leave it alone, maybe have the action worked to change the trigger from a gritty horrific long pull to a less gritty horrific long pull.
 
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