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2013-02-22 11:43:44 PM
Girl has great trigger discipline.
 
2013-02-22 11:49:38 PM
Should I be surprised at the number of fat people in those pictures?
 
2013-02-23 12:02:24 AM

Lsherm: Girl has great trigger discipline.


Damn sure better than Diane Feinstein.

On a different note: That is a sweet friiggin scope on the SK.
I might just go that route tomorrow at the Covington, Ga. gun show tomorrow. Already shatter lenses TWICE on short scopes when casings were ejected. Doesn't look like that can happen with his setup. I'll still install a deflector.

No, I'm not a gun nut. Okay then dammit. Yes, yes I am a gun nut.LOL

/don't go so far that it's my whole damn life though
 
2013-02-23 12:13:17 AM
Yeah, I think I feel safer having the US Armed Forces protecting us instead of these assclowns
 
2013-02-23 12:15:32 AM
s3-ec.buzzfed.com

Creepy.
 
2013-02-23 12:20:42 AM

max_pooper: Should I be surprised at the number of fat people in those pictures?


The My Little Pony Killer: [s3-ec.buzzfed.com image 850x565]

Creepy.


s3.amazonaws.com

To expand on my earlier comment, if you want to go camping and shoot guns, fine. To think you are going to defend anyone from anything is delusional.
 
2013-02-23 12:45:28 AM

max_pooper: Should I be surprised at the number of fat people in those pictures?


Pretty much this. I guess part of their survival plan involves storing up calories for hibernation?
 
2013-02-23 12:51:00 AM

serial_crusher: max_pooper: Should I be surprised at the number of fat people in those pictures?

Pretty much this. I guess part of their survival plan involves storing up calories for hibernation?


And every time a camera crew heads to the ghetto, you see fat people of a different color "hawg" the cameras. Fat people have many other traits they share no matter what part of society they come from.
 
2013-02-23 12:51:21 AM

serial_crusher: max_pooper: Should I be surprised at the number of fat people in those pictures?

Pretty much this. I guess part of their survival plan involves storing up calories for hibernation?


I damn near ate my cigarette laughing when I read that
 
2013-02-23 01:09:32 AM
Rwanda and Somalia think it's cute you think 9 is too young for an AK.
 
2013-02-23 01:17:18 AM
She'll either be a martyr or teh debil.
 
2013-02-23 01:27:49 AM
[tooold.jpg]
 
2013-02-23 01:46:35 AM
I'll never understand how these survival groups plan to survive anything considering they seem very physically unfit. It seems like physical fitness should be priority #1, and playing dress-up in the woods would be somewhere a bit further down the list.
 
2013-02-23 01:52:21 AM
The group in question has a public website if anyone is interested. Fark ated the link, but it's just a google away.
 
2013-02-23 02:12:49 AM
s3-ec.buzzfed.comThis kid is terrified of his father
 
2013-02-23 02:13:29 AM
I'm pretty much a gun nut, but these people are weird. I think teaching kids and young adults to shoot and proper firearms safety is important if guns are going to be present in the household. But putting little kids in t-shirts that say they're willing to fight and die for their 2nd amendment rights is pretty sick.
 
2013-02-23 02:53:45 AM
Blue shirt girl.
 
2013-02-23 03:10:09 AM

borg: [s3-ec.buzzfed.com image 850x565]This kid is terrified of his father


as well he should be. a crappy tapco SKS and a 38 for a sidearm? obviously his father knows nothing about guns! personally i carry a Beretta 92A1, a glock 19, and a glock 26 in my bugout kit- one in the pocket, two on the vest. 2 extra mags for each. my MBR is a Colt LE6920 with 400rds of tracer-LAP-Ball-Ball-Ball rotation in pmags. thats how a real american defends his woods! and by george, if i have to snipe me a critter, my mosin is up to the task. while heavy and unportable, for an encampment it makes a fine deer gun. not to mention that my YHM 7.62 Phantom works well on all the above rifles!
 
2013-02-23 03:22:58 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I'll never understand how these survival groups plan to survive anything considering they seem very physically unfit. It seems like physical fitness should be priority #1, and playing dress-up in the woods would be somewhere a bit further down the list.


thugs with guns
every post-apocalyptic novel pits the rational collaborators against thugs with guns.
why share or plan in advance when all you need is bunch of jimbos with guns.

For these people, The Ant and the Grasshopper ends with the Grasshopper mowing down the Ant and eating all the Ant's stored food.
 
2013-02-23 04:12:03 AM
I have relatives who have taken their kids hunting from the time they were tiny--my one cousin's oldest kid was about 6 when he got his first deer (kid's going to be the only multi-lingual Hispanic American Florida redneck on the planet). I don't have any problem with teaching kids about guns, but these people are farking nuts. It's like little kids playacting in the woods but with real weapons believing that they're fighting a real threat. Their connection with reality is tenuous and they've dragged their kids into it with them.
 
2013-02-23 05:13:59 AM
I don't see all that much wrong with this. However, these guys remind me of the guy who is a karate master, but when he finds himself in a real situation, has a hard time with the execution of his skillset.

It's ok if you wanna be fat, but can you see these guys running through the woods with all that gear and weaponry when you are facing real people with real guns and you actually have to move your ass with a quickness lest you be dead? That goes for the guys who aren't fat either..

It's all fun and games, till they start shootin back.
 
2013-02-23 05:35:31 AM
AK-47's, glocks.  they're all the same if u ask me
 
2013-02-23 05:39:14 AM
Every free man and woman should understand the basics of being a rifleman.
 
2013-02-23 05:40:30 AM
They also need to work on their spacing and movement.  One grenade would take out their entire "squad".
 
2013-02-23 05:42:02 AM

serial_crusher: max_pooper: Should I be surprised at the number of fat people in those pictures?

Pretty much this. I guess part of their survival plan involves storing up calories for hibernation?


Survival in Florida does not require being able to do a situp, or a pushup, or a chinup, or being able to see your toes.
 
2013-02-23 05:46:38 AM
Apparently jerk-off material for at least one farker in this thread.
 
2013-02-23 05:48:42 AM
They don't look especially skilled at handling weapons. It also doesn't look like they're being particularly safe with them.
 
2013-02-23 05:51:28 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: AK-47's, glocks.  they're all the same if u ask me


Yeah, it's pretty much boring nerd-shiat if yoiu don't have OCD or Asperger's.

Fail in Human Form: Every free man and woman should understand the basics of being a rifleman.


Well, basically, this is your rifle, and this is your gun............
 
2013-02-23 05:52:30 AM

max_pooper: Should I be surprised at the number of fat people in those pictures?


The camera adds 10 lbs.
 
2013-02-23 05:56:10 AM

publikenemy: It's all fun and games, till they start shootin back.


The purpose of keeping weapons around isn't just for rebellion against the government, its also to protect yourself from other citizens (which, among unlikely scenarios, is the likeliest).

To that end you don't need the same level of training as some guy going off to kick in doors in Kandahar.
The folks you'll be up against, at worse, will be similarly unskilled militia or former military looking for easier targets than an armed camping party.
 
2013-02-23 05:56:39 AM

Livingroom: borg: [s3-ec.buzzfed.com image 850x565]This kid is terrified of his father

as well he should be. a crappy tapco SKS and a 38 for a sidearm? obviously his father knows nothing about guns! personally i carry a Beretta 92A1, a glock 19, and a glock 26 in my bugout kit- one in the pocket, two on the vest. 2 extra mags for each. my MBR is a Colt LE6920 with 400rds of tracer-LAP-Ball-Ball-Ball rotation in pmags. thats how a real american defends his woods! and by george, if i have to snipe me a critter, my mosin is up to the task. while heavy and unportable, for an encampment it makes a fine deer gun. not to mention that my YHM 7.62 Phantom works well on all the above rifles!


Pffft, I prefer a phased plasma rifle in a 40 watt range.
 
2013-02-23 05:57:51 AM

namatad: thugs with guns
every post-apocalyptic novel pits the rational collaborators against thugs with guns.
why share or plan in advance when all you need is bunch of jimbos with guns.

For these people, The Ant and the Grasshopper ends with the Grasshopper mowing down the Ant and eating all the Ant's stored food.


And for many liberals, it ends with the government taxing the ant because it's just not fair to the grasshopper.
 
2013-02-23 05:58:16 AM
ethanskar.com
 
2013-02-23 05:59:33 AM

Popcorn Johnny: Blue shirt girl.


...is thirteen.
 
2013-02-23 06:00:04 AM

borg: [s3-ec.buzzfed.com image 850x565]This kid is terrified of his father


Not just that, but you can almost read that entire families future therapy bills in that one picture.  Look at how earnestly the little girl wants to be exactly the child daddy wanted, and how pudgy, neurotic and frazzled the little boy is over knowing that it's him instead but every time he miss-steps or makes even a minor mistake daddy will explode.  You can't even see his head but you can tell Daddy is focusing his attention almost completely to the side the boy is on.


/oooorrr, we're both reading too much into it.
 
2013-02-23 06:00:56 AM
Meh, no law's broken, strange sure, but I'm sure some people take there kids to music festivals.
/Sorry I've known to many rednecks and their not gonna change.
 
2013-02-23 06:02:29 AM
pjmedia.com
 
2013-02-23 06:06:21 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Sorry I've known to many rednecks and their not gonna change.


Don't worry, the federal government is coming up with ways to deal with it:

"Detailed information on each category of ideological motivation can be found in the Profiles of Perpetrators of Terrorism-United States report compiled by the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism (Miller, Smarick, and Simone, 2011). Briefly, the report describes each category as follows:

Extreme Right-Wing: groups that believe that one's personal and/or national "way of life" is under attack and is either already lost or that the threat is imminent (for some the threat is from a specific ethnic, racial, or religious group), and believe in the need to be prepared for an attack either by participating in paramilitary preparations and training or survivalism.

Groups may also be fiercely nationalistic (as opposed to universal and international in orientation), anti-global, suspicious of centralized federal authority,  reverent of individual liberty, and believe in conspiracy theories that involve grave threat to national sovereignty and/or personal liberty."
 
2013-02-23 06:06:55 AM
Looks more like douchebag training.
 
2013-02-23 06:07:43 AM

Fail in Human Form: Every free man and woman should understand the basics of being a rifleman.


...Unless they have a job in politics.

dl.dropbox.com
dl.dropbox.com
 
2013-02-23 06:08:25 AM
25.media.tumblr.com

/can't wait till the rest of Fark wakes up...
//prediction: at least 500 but not more than 1000
 
2013-02-23 06:10:13 AM

serial_crusher: max_pooper: Should I be surprised at the number of fat people in those pictures?

Pretty much this. I guess part of their survival plan involves storing up calories for hibernation?


you need the extra calories when moving into the mountains to hide out...
 
2013-02-23 06:11:15 AM

borg: [s3-ec.buzzfed.com image 850x565]This kid is terrified of his father


nah... he just wants his xbox
 
2013-02-23 06:11:46 AM
Oh noes. A bunch of rednecks went camping with some guns. Alert the farking  media.
 
2013-02-23 06:12:58 AM

jso2897: Jon iz teh kewl: AK-47's, glocks.  they're all the same if u ask me

Yeah, it's pretty much boring nerd-shiat if yoiu don't have OCD or Asperger's.Fail in Human Form: Every free man and woman should understand the basics of being a rifleman.

Well, basically, this is your rifle, and this is your gun............


i looooove that movie
 
2013-02-23 06:16:12 AM

Fail in Human Form: tinfoil-hat maggie: Sorry I've known to many rednecks and their not gonna change.

Don't worry, the federal government is coming up with ways to deal with it:

"Detailed information on each category of ideological motivation can be found in the Profiles of Perpetrators of Terrorism-United States report compiled by the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism (Miller, Smarick, and Simone, 2011). Briefly, the report describes each category as follows:

Extreme Right-Wing: groups that believe that one's personal and/or national "way of life" is under attack and is either already lost or that the threat is imminent (for some the threat is from a specific ethnic, racial, or religious group), and believe in the need to be prepared for an attack either by participating in paramilitary preparations and training or survivalism.

Groups may also be fiercely nationalistic (as opposed to universal and international in orientation), anti-global, suspicious of centralized federal authority,  reverent of individual liberty, and believe in conspiracy theories that involve grave threat to national sovereignty and/or personal liberty."


sounds like these terrorists:
www.stufffundieslike.com
 
2013-02-23 06:16:27 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: jso2897: Jon iz teh kewl: AK-47's, glocks.  they're all the same if u ask me

Yeah, it's pretty much boring nerd-shiat if yoiu don't have OCD or Asperger's.Fail in Human Form: Every free man and woman should understand the basics of being a rifleman.

Well, basically, this is your rifle, and this is your gun............

i looooove that movie


My buddy and I watched that movie about a dozen times before basic.  I remember sitting on my duffel bag at reception center getting ready to head out on the bus.  One of the guys was smiling and one of our future drill sergeants came over and said, "Are you having a good time private?  Don't worry we'll fix that".  My first thought was farkkkkkkk here we go.
 
2013-02-23 06:17:56 AM

wambu: [i.imgur.com image 640x426]


I am going to hell for laughing like a drain at that.
 
2013-02-23 06:19:02 AM

Fail in Human Form: tinfoil-hat maggie: Sorry I've known to many rednecks and their not gonna change.

Don't worry, the federal government is coming up with ways to deal with it:

"Detailed information on each category of ideological motivation can be found in the Profiles of Perpetrators of Terrorism-United States report compiled by the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism (Miller, Smarick, and Simone, 2011). Briefly, the report describes each category as follows:

Extreme Right-Wing: groups that believe that one's personal and/or national "way of life" is under attack and is either already lost or that the threat is imminent (for some the threat is from a specific ethnic, racial, or religious group), and believe in the need to be prepared for an attack either by participating in paramilitary preparations and training or survivalism.

Groups may also be fiercely nationalistic (as opposed to universal and international in orientation), anti-global, suspicious of centralized federal authority,  reverent of individual liberty, and believe in conspiracy theories that involve grave threat to national sovereignty and/or personal liberty."


Well, okay then. Slowly backs out of thread.
 
2013-02-23 06:23:45 AM
"We discriminate against NO ONE for race or religion. The only people not welcome here are socialists, marxists, nazis or progressives."

How inclusive of them.

Meh. I have no problem with their silly little LARPer group or even that kids are being trained to handle guns. I do feel kind of sorry for the kids that their parents are paranoid dumbasses, but they could be in a much worse situation.

Florida, y'all. Enough said.
 
2013-02-23 06:24:33 AM
on a serious note (yes i know this is Fark):

If they are teaching the kiddies firearms safety and whatnot, great. If they are teaching survival, there is quite a bit more that learning how to pitch a tent and hunt for food... such as...

Plant identification, field medicine, trapping, skinning, tanning (no, not that kind), firestarting without tools, etc...

A good book on wilderness survival is a good start.
 
2013-02-23 06:24:34 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: Fail in Human Form: tinfoil-hat maggie: Sorry I've known to many rednecks and their not gonna change.

Don't worry, the federal government is coming up with ways to deal with it:

"Detailed information on each category of ideological motivation can be found in the Profiles of Perpetrators of Terrorism-United States report compiled by the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism (Miller, Smarick, and Simone, 2011). Briefly, the report describes each category as follows:

Extreme Right-Wing: groups that believe that one's personal and/or national "way of life" is under attack and is either already lost or that the threat is imminent (for some the threat is from a specific ethnic, racial, or religious group), and believe in the need to be prepared for an attack either by participating in paramilitary preparations and training or survivalism.

Groups may also be fiercely nationalistic (as opposed to universal and international in orientation), anti-global, suspicious of centralized federal authority,  reverent of individual liberty, and believe in conspiracy theories that involve grave threat to national sovereignty and/or personal liberty."

sounds like these terrorists:
[www.stufffundieslike.com image 600x300]


Except for the bit about their way of life being under attack, imminent threat, ultranationalism, suspicion of central authority, and conspiracy theories; yeah, exactly like that.
 
2013-02-23 06:25:05 AM

No Catchy Nickname: wambu: [i.imgur.com image 640x426]

I am going to hell for laughing like a drain at that.


Good. I can use the company.
 
2013-02-23 06:25:41 AM

Gyrfalcon: HindiDiscoMonster: Fail in Human Form: tinfoil-hat maggie: Sorry I've known to many rednecks and their not gonna change.

Don't worry, the federal government is coming up with ways to deal with it:

"Detailed information on each category of ideological motivation can be found in the Profiles of Perpetrators of Terrorism-United States report compiled by the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism (Miller, Smarick, and Simone, 2011). Briefly, the report describes each category as follows:

Extreme Right-Wing: groups that believe that one's personal and/or national "way of life" is under attack and is either already lost or that the threat is imminent (for some the threat is from a specific ethnic, racial, or religious group), and believe in the need to be prepared for an attack either by participating in paramilitary preparations and training or survivalism.

Groups may also be fiercely nationalistic (as opposed to universal and international in orientation), anti-global, suspicious of centralized federal authority,  reverent of individual liberty, and believe in conspiracy theories that involve grave threat to national sovereignty and/or personal liberty."

sounds like these terrorists:
[www.stufffundieslike.com image 600x300]

Except for the bit about their way of life being under attack, imminent threat, ultranationalism, suspicion of central authority, and conspiracy theories; yeah, exactly like that.


You can't be serious
 
2013-02-23 06:27:16 AM
All the paramilitary wackiness aside, teaching kids safe firearms handling is not a bad thing.
 
2013-02-23 06:31:46 AM
Great! This thread again. Wait. I'm being obtuse. Hopefully the rest of the people on Fark will realize that the majority of gun owners aren't crazy militant hillbillies who only own guns because they think the government is out to get them.
 
2013-02-23 06:32:53 AM

Gyrfalcon: HindiDiscoMonster: Fail in Human Form: tinfoil-hat maggie: Sorry I've known to many rednecks and their not gonna change.

Don't worry, the federal government is coming up with ways to deal with it:

"Detailed information on each category of ideological motivation can be found in the Profiles of Perpetrators of Terrorism-United States report compiled by the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism (Miller, Smarick, and Simone, 2011). Briefly, the report describes each category as follows:

Extreme Right-Wing: groups that believe that one's personal and/or national "way of life" is under attack and is either already lost or that the threat is imminent (for some the threat is from a specific ethnic, racial, or religious group), and believe in the need to be prepared for an attack either by participating in paramilitary preparations and training or survivalism.

Groups may also be fiercely nationalistic (as opposed to universal and international in orientation), anti-global, suspicious of centralized federal authority,  reverent of individual liberty, and believe in conspiracy theories that involve grave threat to national sovereignty and/or personal liberty."

sounds like these terrorists:
[www.stufffundieslike.com image 600x300]

Except for the bit about their way of life being under attack, imminent threat, ultranationalism, suspicion of central authority, and conspiracy theories; yeah, exactly like that.


Actually sorry he's kinda right.. I mean after you get done with reading all the firebrands that got the whole thing going ,well...
 
2013-02-23 06:34:20 AM

evilotto: All the paramilitary wackiness aside, teaching kids safe firearms handling is not a bad thing.


I agree.  There are really only two rules - always assume the gun is loaded and if you point a gun/rifle at someone be prepared to kill them.

/and never put the barrel in your mouth, that may hurt.
// wait these are survivalist not hunters.  never mind.
 
2013-02-23 06:34:49 AM

Gyrfalcon: HindiDiscoMonster: Fail in Human Form: tinfoil-hat maggie: Sorry I've known to many rednecks and their not gonna change.

Don't worry, the federal government is coming up with ways to deal with it:

"Detailed information on each category of ideological motivation can be found in the Profiles of Perpetrators of Terrorism-United States report compiled by the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism (Miller, Smarick, and Simone, 2011). Briefly, the report describes each category as follows:

Extreme Right-Wing: groups that believe that one's personal and/or national "way of life" is under attack and is either already lost or that the threat is imminent (for some the threat is from a specific ethnic, racial, or religious group), and believe in the need to be prepared for an attack either by participating in paramilitary preparations and training or survivalism.

Groups may also be fiercely nationalistic (as opposed to universal and international in orientation), anti-global, suspicious of centralized federal authority,  reverent of individual liberty, and believe in conspiracy theories that involve grave threat to national sovereignty and/or personal liberty."

sounds like these terrorists:
[www.stufffundieslike.com image 600x300]

Except for the bit about their way of life being under attack, imminent threat, ultranationalism, suspicion of central authority, and conspiracy theories; yeah, exactly like that.


you haven't read much about history have you?

1. Their way of life was under attack from the crown's outrageous taxation policies, among other things
2. They were under imminent threat (unless of course you think being shot/hanged for treason against the crown is no big deal)
3. Ultranationalism is a new way of demonizing Patriotism and the original meaning of Nationalism
4. Suspicion of central authority is the primary theme of our founding documents... read them some time (why do you think we don't have a sovereign)
5. Conspiracy theories are not theories when there are conspiracies... but given that, it is quite apparent from our founding documents that there are safeguards in place to prevent or minimize the potential of conspiracies as much as possible.
 
2013-02-23 06:38:03 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: on a serious note (yes i know this is Fark):

If they are teaching the kiddies firearms safety and whatnot, great. If they are teaching survival, there is quite a bit more that learning how to pitch a tent and hunt for food... such as...

Plant identification, field medicine, trapping, skinning, tanning (no, not that kind), firestarting without tools, etc...

A good book on wilderness survival is a good start.


Growing up in Michigan, that's the kind of "survival" training we did.  Make a shelter, navigate, find food that was safe to eat...  Firearms was completely secondary, as if you were out in the woods and got lost chances are you were hunting and had that training already.

Sure, there were all the militia groups (Michigan has some of the craziest ones), but the more realistic ones trained you in how to survive, not just shoot at people you identify as threats.

/never could get the friction bow to start a fire...
 
2013-02-23 06:40:26 AM
Both girls and the Baroness know how to shoot and use the Basic 4. The girls from a young age. I've got no problem with kids learning how to handle firearms, as most firearms incidents are caused by stupidity and/or lack of training. It's the nutjobs out there who believe that the gun makes the man that scare me more than the other nutjobs who believe that only the "anointed" should be armed.

http://mondaynightshootingleague.org/pdf/FourBasicRulesOfFirearmSafe ty .pdf

/going back to bed
//off my lawn, dammit
 
2013-02-23 06:43:28 AM

Shadowknight: Sure, there were all the militia groups (Michigan has some of the craziest ones), but the more realistic ones trained you in how to survive, not just shoot at people you identify as threats.


Wait, worded that wrong.  All the militia groups were nutty.  The survival groups, though, were more like "extreme campers."  Go out in the woods with a bad of granola bars and maybe some water purification tabs, and get to work surviving.  Think a group of  Les Strouds, but with a better escape plan.  You knew where the nearest main road was, and where you parked the cars, so get walking.

We rarely had anyone out there with a gun, the three times I went out with some friends I think I saw one pistol.  It was fairly  educational too.
 
2013-02-23 06:43:49 AM

Shadowknight: HindiDiscoMonster: on a serious note (yes i know this is Fark):

If they are teaching the kiddies firearms safety and whatnot, great. If they are teaching survival, there is quite a bit more that learning how to pitch a tent and hunt for food... such as...

Plant identification, field medicine, trapping, skinning, tanning (no, not that kind), firestarting without tools, etc...

A good book on wilderness survival is a good start.

Growing up in Michigan, that's the kind of "survival" training we did.  Make a shelter, navigate, find food that was safe to eat...  Firearms was completely secondary, as if you were out in the woods and got lost chances are you were hunting and had that training already.

Sure, there were all the militia groups (Michigan has some of the craziest ones), but the more realistic ones trained you in how to survive, not just shoot at people you identify as threats.

/never could get the friction bow to start a fire...


friction bows are a biatch... there is a clever little tool like a piston for firestarting... it's Australian i think originally... you just hammer the plunger down with your hand and it works every time... no flint/steel/nothing... it's all wood.
 
2013-02-23 06:46:34 AM
Survivalists can be shiathead parents. I knew a guy who'd been utterly abandoned in the woods for 3 days for the 'lesson' of living off the land. Today, he makes glass marijuana pipes and vends at music events. Sure beats searching for water.
 
2013-02-23 06:46:36 AM
Best kind of societies are the ones where kids play soldier with live ammo!www.eyeseeonline.com
 
2013-02-23 06:46:54 AM

wambu:


.

I about woke up my wife laughing.
 
2013-02-23 06:49:15 AM

FlameDuck: Best kind of societies are the ones where kids play soldier with live ammo![www.eyeseeonline.com image 650x444]


that is HORRIFIC! look at all that wasted brass. Doesn't anyone reload over there?
 
2013-02-23 06:49:30 AM

cretinbob: To expand on my earlier comment, if you want to go camping and shoot guns, fine. To think you are going to defend anyone from anything is delusional.


Guns can help defend against bears. Or rabid deer. Or particularly angry rabbits.
 
2013-02-23 06:50:10 AM

evilotto: All the paramilitary wackiness aside, teaching kids safe firearms handling is not a bad thing.


I'm not so sure it's all that wacky. These people are obviously very concerned about some kind of event. A financial collapse, maybe. 40 years ago, you might have considered this sort of thing a bit paranoid. Now, not so much. It can't hurt to be prepared. This is not necessarily my cup of tea, but I don't think they're crazy.
 
2013-02-23 06:51:28 AM

fusillade762: cretinbob: To expand on my earlier comment, if you want to go camping and shoot guns, fine. To think you are going to defend anyone from anything is delusional.

Guns can help defend against bears. Or rabid deer. Or particularly angry rabbits.


I think you have to use these for the rabbits:
www.wired.com
 
2013-02-23 06:52:46 AM
s3-ec.buzzfed.com

Be sure to cover your face when hunting so the deer's relatives can't pick you out of a lineup.
 
2013-02-23 06:53:15 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: FlameDuck: Best kind of societies are the ones where kids play soldier with live ammo![www.eyeseeonline.com image 650x444]

that is HORRIFIC! look at all that wasted brass. Doesn't anyone reload over there?


Of course not, kids got a tie, so he must be doing alright.
 
2013-02-23 06:56:25 AM
I am a HUGE 2nd Amendment supporter, but the men doing the instruction are idiots.
1.  Piss-poor weapon handling.  In the first picture, the man takes his trigger hand to make a signal,  You use your forward hand to do so.
2. Mismatched, cheap gear.  Leather gear mixed with nylon.
 
2013-02-23 06:57:04 AM

FlameDuck: HindiDiscoMonster: FlameDuck: Best kind of societies are the ones where kids play soldier with live ammo![www.eyeseeonline.com image 650x444]

that is HORRIFIC! look at all that wasted brass. Doesn't anyone reload over there?

Of course not, kids got a tie, so he must be doing alright.


yeah, but does he have a fridge?
 
2013-02-23 06:57:07 AM
Hey, I grew up in north Florida.

And my father was a lunatic.

And I totally got to do fun trips like these in the woods.

Ugh.
 
2013-02-23 07:07:09 AM

recentlyspankedamidget: I am a HUGE 2nd Amendment supporter, but the men doing the instruction are idiots.
1.  Piss-poor weapon handling.  In the first picture, the man takes his trigger hand to make a signal,  You use your forward hand to do so.
2. Mismatched, cheap gear.  Leather gear mixed with nylon.


Try a small salad for dinner and walking a little more.
 
2013-02-23 07:07:35 AM
Has nothing to with guns. Just stupid, just stupid.
 
2013-02-23 07:10:28 AM
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I hate when people douchify an sks.

if you want a "tacticool" rifle to play GI Joe with and mod up and stuff get a new AR or something. Leave the old school e. bloc stuf alone.
 
2013-02-23 07:10:45 AM

fusillade762: [s3-ec.buzzfed.com image 850x565]

Be sure to cover your face when hunting so the deer's relatives can't pick you out of a lineup.


I like the fact that they're being followed by a janitor, apparently.
 
2013-02-23 07:10:58 AM

Fail in Human Form: HindiDiscoMonster: jso2897: Jon iz teh kewl: AK-47's, glocks.  they're all the same if u ask me

Yeah, it's pretty much boring nerd-shiat if yoiu don't have OCD or Asperger's.Fail in Human Form: Every free man and woman should understand the basics of being a rifleman.

Well, basically, this is your rifle, and this is your gun............

i looooove that movie

My buddy and I watched that movie about a dozen times before basic.  I remember sitting on my duffel bag at reception center getting ready to head out on the bus.  One of the guys was smiling and one of our future drill sergeants came over and said, "Are you having a good time private?  Don't worry we'll fix that".  My first thought was farkkkkkkk here we go.


...you watched FMJ and interpreted it as a movie cheerleading how super awesome the USMC was? Kubrick would not be pleased with you.

/you only liked it because Ermey has a filthy mouth
 
2013-02-23 07:11:24 AM
The crips and bloods are unimpressed.  They have kids slinging crack and shooting at that age.  All without adult supervision. I see images daily from other countries with kids much younger toting AKs.  Pretty sure I learned to shoot when I was 8 or 9 with my dad.  Mind you it was a bolt action .22 lol, (thumb trigger at that-yuk) but most folks start on that.  Got a .410 when I was 10 for doves and got my first deer with a .410 slug.  Eventually upgraded to .243 and that is where I sit.  Tried many varieties of exotic weapons thanks to avid friends, but I kinda stick to dad's adage of "If ya can't get it done in six shots, ya got no business doing it.", which is what I remind him when he gets all prepper on our asses after reading too much internet and wanting to buy more crap.  Oh well.  Let's hope no one gets hurt.
 
2013-02-23 07:12:07 AM

borg: [s3-ec.buzzfed.com image 850x565]This kid is terrified of his father


That is not an AK-47.
 
2013-02-23 07:13:18 AM
Nothing tactical that I could see.  Even remotely.  ESp dude on cellphone.
 
2013-02-23 07:14:01 AM

evilotto: All the paramilitary wackiness aside, teaching kids safe firearms handling is not a bad thing.


True, but from the photos it doesn't appear that they're doing a particularly good job of it. I don't see many things just screaming WRONG, but there are some marginally bad things going on there. But familiarity with shooting and seeing what happens when you pull a trigger are at least going to demystify the whole firearms mystique, and that, in itself is good in some ways (if you come in contact with a gun at least you'll be a little prepared, have some basic idea of safety) and bad in others (once you become a little bit comfortable with guns you're more likely to handle one or get one and fark around with it and feel a false sense of security). But you've gotta start somewhere...
 
2013-02-23 07:14:39 AM

Mark Ratner: max_pooper: Should I be surprised at the number of fat people in those pictures?

The camera adds 10 lbs.


How many cameras do they have?

/wocka wocka wocka!
 
2013-02-23 07:15:04 AM

Father_Jack: [s3-ec.buzzfed.com image 850x565][s3-ec.buzzfed.com image 850x565]
I hate when people douchify an sks.

if you want a "tacticool" rifle to play GI Joe with and mod up and stuff get a new AR or something. Leave the old school e. bloc stuf alone.


Douchify? No, not really. A larger magazine capacity, a hand grip, and an adjustable stock is a great addition to that platform.
 
2013-02-23 07:15:42 AM

jat26006: Nothing tactical that I could see.  Even remotely.  ESp dude on cellphone.


He was discussing tactics.  He was tactically ordering a dozen pizzas so his "squad" could have lunch.  And he strategically made sure that one had no olives.  His "commander" hates olives.  And he probably "covertly" put it on his buddy's credit card.
 
2013-02-23 07:17:31 AM

Shadowknight: jat26006: Nothing tactical that I could see.  Even remotely.  ESp dude on cellphone.

He was discussing tactics.  He was tactically ordering a dozen pizzas so his "squad" could have lunch.  And he strategically made sure that one had no olives.  His "commander" hates olives.  And he probably "covertly" put it on his buddy's credit card.


Yea, no way tactical.  Real military never uses cell phones. Ever.
 
2013-02-23 07:17:57 AM

Thunderboy: Mark Ratner: max_pooper: Should I be surprised at the number of fat people in those pictures?

The camera adds 10 lbs.

How many cameras do they have?

/wocka wocka wocka!


they only have one, but it's a 10-D camera...
 
2013-02-23 07:18:35 AM
This thread is going to be hilarious in a few hours!
 
2013-02-23 07:19:06 AM

kimmygibblershomework: The crips and bloods are unimpressed.  They have kids slinging crack and shooting at that age.  All without adult supervision. I see images daily from other countries with kids much younger toting AKs.  Pretty sure I learned to shoot when I was 8 or 9 with my dad.  Mind you it was a bolt action .22 lol, (thumb trigger at that-yuk) but most folks start on that.  Got a .410 when I was 10 for doves and got my first deer with a .410 slug.  Eventually upgraded to .243 and that is where I sit.  Tried many varieties of exotic weapons thanks to avid friends, but I kinda stick to dad's adage of "If ya can't get it done in six shots, ya got no business doing it.", which is what I remind him when he gets all prepper on our asses after reading too much internet and wanting to buy more crap.  Oh well.  Let's hope no one gets hurt.


confused about the .410 and the deer, but the .243 is all you need.  my dad used a 7MM rifle for deer hunting.  I never understood why he used it, destroyed so much of the meat.  But that deer dropped.  love my .410.   single shot.  makes dove-hunting fun.
 
2013-02-23 07:20:28 AM

thoughtless: you only liked it because Ermey has a filthy mouth


I was Army but yeah ;-)
 
2013-02-23 07:23:40 AM

Yogimus: Yea, no way tactical.  Real military never uses cell phones. Ever.


I just wanted to make fun of these wannabe soldiers.  Facts hardly enter in on it.
 
2013-02-23 07:26:50 AM

riverwalk barfly: kimmygibblershomework: The crips and bloods are unimpressed.  They have kids slinging crack and shooting at that age.  All without adult supervision. I see images daily from other countries with kids much younger toting AKs.  Pretty sure I learned to shoot when I was 8 or 9 with my dad.  Mind you it was a bolt action .22 lol, (thumb trigger at that-yuk) but most folks start on that.  Got a .410 when I was 10 for doves and got my first deer with a .410 slug.  Eventually upgraded to .243 and that is where I sit.  Tried many varieties of exotic weapons thanks to avid friends, but I kinda stick to dad's adage of "If ya can't get it done in six shots, ya got no business doing it.", which is what I remind him when he gets all prepper on our asses after reading too much internet and wanting to buy more crap.  Oh well.  Let's hope no one gets hurt.

confused about the .410 and the deer, but the .243 is all you need.  my dad used a 7MM rifle for deer hunting.  I never understood why he used it, destroyed so much of the meat.  But that deer dropped.  love my .410.   single shot.  makes dove-hunting fun.


Some places you can't use a rifle for deer. Maybe he lives in one of those places?
 
2013-02-23 07:30:28 AM
Or maybe that's just what he was comfortable shooting?

I don't know... My first deer was with a .243, as was my first elk and my only black bear. .243 IS plenty if you can put the rounds on target. (And that is very easy to do with that flat-shooting rifle.)
 
2013-02-23 07:31:06 AM

jat26006: Nothing tactical that I could see.  Even remotely.  ESp dude on cellphone.


I get paid to do this sometimes. There are tactical ways to answer a cell phone on patrol.
 
2013-02-23 07:31:40 AM

violentsalvation: But putting little kids in t-shirts that say they're willing to fight and die for their 2nd amendment rights is pretty sick.


Would you say the same if they replaced the 2nd amendment with the 1st, or the 13th?
 
2013-02-23 07:33:34 AM
These people who are going to defend against government tyranny with AK-47s . . . they do know that the American government has nuclear weapons, right?
 
2013-02-23 07:34:10 AM
Very weak propaganda. The photo-journalist version of "Stop liking what I don't like!".
 
2013-02-23 07:35:26 AM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: violentsalvation: But putting little kids in t-shirts that say they're willing to fight and die for their 2nd amendment rights is pretty sick.

Would you say the same if they replaced the 2nd amendment with the 1st, or the 13th?


What about the 18th?

Or the 19th?
 
2013-02-23 07:36:47 AM

swingerofbirches: These people who are going to defend against government tyranny with AK-47s . . . they do know that the American government has nuclear weapons, right?


>snerk<
 
2013-02-23 07:38:41 AM

Father_Jack: [s3-ec.buzzfed.com image 850x565][s3-ec.buzzfed.com image 850x565]
I hate when people douchify an sks.

if you want a "tacticool" rifle to play GI Joe with and mod up and stuff get a new AR or something. Leave the old school e. bloc stuf alone.


Oh, waaahh.

It takes 5 minutes to take it back to original.  The plastic stock and magazine aren't permanent modifications.  Oh, and I'm betting that guy doesn't have the money for an AR, the SKS probably cost him $300, including the plastic furniture.

And have you tried to find a new AR lately?
 
2013-02-23 07:41:06 AM

The Snow Dog: Or maybe that's just what he was comfortable shooting?

I don't know... My first deer was with a .243, as was my first elk and my only black bear. .243 IS plenty if you can put the rounds on target. (And that is very easy to do with that flat-shooting rifle.)


young hunters.   Listen to this.
 
2013-02-23 07:43:55 AM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: violentsalvation: But putting little kids in t-shirts that say they're willing to fight and die for their 2nd amendment rights is pretty sick.

Would you say the same if they replaced the 2nd amendment with the 1st, or the 13th?


YES.  They are farking kids.  They don't know what closely held beliefs they have yet, and a parent or authority figure saying you should die for them is farking sick.
 
2013-02-23 07:44:19 AM

DarkVader: Father_Jack: [s3-ec.buzzfed.com image 850x565][s3-ec.buzzfed.com image 850x565]
I hate when people douchify an sks.

if you want a "tacticool" rifle to play GI Joe with and mod up and stuff get a new AR or something. Leave the old school e. bloc stuf alone.

Oh, waaahh.

It takes 5 minutes to take it back to original.  The plastic stock and magazine aren't permanent modifications.  Oh, and I'm betting that guy doesn't have the money for an AR, the SKS probably cost him $300, including the plastic furniture.

And have you tried to find a new AR lately?


Better already have some bullets.
 
2013-02-23 07:44:36 AM

swingerofbirches: These people who are going to defend against government tyranny with AK-47s . . . they do know that the American government has nuclear weapons, right?


Yeah, because if you're going to fight an insurgency, nuking your own land is a fantastic, and not at all self defeating strategy.
 
2013-02-23 07:45:25 AM
Nice rack on picture 3

Scrolls down to picture 4

Wait Wut

Why don't you take a seat right over there
 
2013-02-23 07:45:58 AM

Shadowknight: BraveNewCheneyWorld: violentsalvation: But putting little kids in t-shirts that say they're willing to fight and die for their 2nd amendment rights is pretty sick.

Would you say the same if they replaced the 2nd amendment with the 1st, or the 13th?

YES.  They are farking kids.  They don't know what closely held beliefs they have yet, and a parent or authority figure saying you should die for them is farking sick.


Is that why they don't teach kids about Patrick Henry in school?
 
2013-02-23 07:46:24 AM

Shadowknight: BraveNewCheneyWorld: violentsalvation: But putting little kids in t-shirts that say they're willing to fight and die for their 2nd amendment rights is pretty sick.

Would you say the same if they replaced the 2nd amendment with the 1st, or the 13th?

YES.  They are farking kids.  They don't know what closely held beliefs they have yet, and a parent or authority figure saying you should die for them is farking sick.


Somehow, I just don't see teaching your kids that death is preferable to slavery as remotely immoral.
 
2013-02-23 07:49:01 AM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: swingerofbirches: These people who are going to defend against government tyranny with AK-47s . . . they do know that the American government has nuclear weapons, right?

Yeah, because if you're going to fight an insurgency, nuking your own land is a fantastic, and not at all self defeating strategy.


Forget the nukes.  Tactical bombs, cruise missiles, long range artillery, tanks, shoulder mounted weapons capable of taking down a house...  All this stuff kind of makes the whole point of the second amendment a bit moot.  Back when it was created, the citizens had the same access to the same weapons as the army, give or take a cannon or two.  The only thing that would stop today's US military would be the unwillingness of the army to wage total war on the populous and the actual military members unwillingness to attack their own countrymen.  

Hardware wise, you aren't going to "survive" long against an organization that could atomize your entire camp from a ship hundreds of miles away.
 
2013-02-23 07:51:26 AM

swingerofbirches: These people who are going to defend against government tyranny with AK-47s . . . they do know that the American government has nuclear weapons, right?


I'm so sick of hearing this from people who have spent no time studying the subject.
 
2013-02-23 07:51:35 AM

badhatharry: Is that why they don't teach kids about Patrick Henry in school?


BraveNewCheneyWorld: Somehow, I just don't see teaching your kids that death is preferable to slavery as remotely immoral.


I see a difference in teaching kids about it, and actually advocating and wearing branded gear saying that they are willing to die for it.  As a kid, I was taught about slavery, and the ultimate causes of the Civil War, and decided myself that yeah, it would have been a cause worth fighting and dying for.  These guys are putting a deadly toy in their hand and telling them "People out there want to take this penis extension from you. You need to be willing to die to stop them."

I can see the difference, myself.
 
2013-02-23 07:58:48 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: [ethanskar.com image 799x666]


i18.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-23 07:58:57 AM

badhatharry: Shadowknight: BraveNewCheneyWorld: violentsalvation: But putting little kids in t-shirts that say they're willing to fight and die for their 2nd amendment rights is pretty sick.

Would you say the same if they replaced the 2nd amendment with the 1st, or the 13th?

YES.  They are farking kids.  They don't know what closely held beliefs they have yet, and a parent or authority figure saying you should die for them is farking sick.

Is that why they don't teach kids about Patrick Henry in school?


Really? You must have gone to the wrong school.
 
2013-02-23 08:00:18 AM
I think i was about ten when tbe boy scouts put me on a rifle range, and maybe twelve when they had us sleeping outside in our own shelters unsupervised.
 
2013-02-23 08:01:21 AM

jehovahs witness protection: serial_crusher: max_pooper: Should I be surprised at the number of fat people in those pictures?

Pretty much this. I guess part of their survival plan involves storing up calories for hibernation?

And every time a camera crew heads to the ghetto, you see fat people of a different color "hawg" the cameras. Fat people have many other traits they share no matter what part of society they come from.


Well, for one, they are easier to spot, and take up more screen-space than thin people.
 
2013-02-23 08:02:32 AM

Livingroom: borg: [s3-ec.buzzfed.com image 850x565]This kid is terrified of his father

as well he should be. a crappy tapco SKS and a 38 for a sidearm? obviously his father knows nothing about guns! personally i carry a Beretta 92A1, a glock 19, and a glock 26 in my bugout kit- one in the pocket, two on the vest. 2 extra mags for each. my MBR is a Colt LE6920 with 400rds of tracer-LAP-Ball-Ball-Ball rotation in pmags. thats how a real american defends his woods! and by george, if i have to snipe me a critter, my mosin is up to the task. while heavy and unportable, for an encampment it makes a fine deer gun. not to mention that my YHM 7.62 Phantom works well on all the above rifles!


this, though not sure if serious - on one hand, you are and know what you are talking about, on the other, you're really good at research

/poor, so can't own everything he wants. but did manage to snag a lower receiver before the craze happened. now if parts would just be back in stock.
//suckers
///slashies
 
2013-02-23 08:04:15 AM
5. Conspiracy theories are not theories when there are conspiracies... but given that, it is quite apparent from our founding documents that there are safeguards in place to prevent or minimize the potential of conspiracies as much as possible.

Well, kinda this.  I don't at all believe that there is a secret meeting weekly in the crypt of the US Capitol where Our Liberal Overlords meet to plan our demise.  What I do think has happened is that:

(1)we've allowed the Government to wander so far away from its original intent that in order to continue to do their job and earn their share of the pie, they have to come up with ways to justify their existence - and that means that things they come up with are going to start infringing on our rights.  And unfortunately, that leads us to (2):  I really believe that to a great extent, the Government no longer exists to serve the people, but rather to perpetuate it's own existence and power.  When we have an entrenched political class that sadly seems to believe in power and control for its own sake, this is what we're going to get.- political showmen who will do anything for immediate gain rather than long-term thinking.

Do I believe that we need to go all Minuteman? No, no no, a thousand times no.  All we need to do is start voting people out instead of returning them to Congress for decades at a time.

There is no evil intent here - simply human nature.

/Heinlein picks up his Razor and nods
 
2013-02-23 08:06:46 AM
though, i have a 91/30 mosin myself, a yugo sks (chrome lined barrels rock), and a ruger mk 3 hunter. got an ar-15 lower on the way. wanted to get another pistol, either 40 or 45, but no cash.
 
2013-02-23 08:08:38 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: Fail in Human Form: tinfoil-hat maggie: Sorry I've known to many rednecks and their not gonna change.

Don't worry, the federal government is coming up with ways to deal with it:

"Detailed information on each category of ideological motivation can be found in the Profiles of Perpetrators of Terrorism-United States report compiled by the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism (Miller, Smarick, and Simone, 2011). Briefly, the report describes each category as follows:

Extreme Right-Wing: groups that believe that one's personal and/or national "way of life" is under attack and is either already lost or that the threat is imminent (for some the threat is from a specific ethnic, racial, or religious group), and believe in the need to be prepared for an attack either by participating in paramilitary preparations and training or survivalism.

Groups may also be fiercely nationalistic (as opposed to universal and international in orientation), anti-global, suspicious of centralized federal authority,  reverent of individual liberty, and believe in conspiracy theories that involve grave threat to national sovereignty and/or personal liberty."

sounds like these terrorists:
[www.stufffundieslike.com image 600x300]


those guys have very little in common with survivalists or the right in general.
 
2013-02-23 08:09:46 AM
"A Massachusetts doctor closed his eyes today when a court played a video that he filmed of his 8-year-old son shooting a powerful Uzi submachine gun that recoiled and shot the boy in the head, killing him. "

I'll feel bad for the kid when this inevitably occurs but I'd cross the street to kick the father in his nuts even while he crys.
 
2013-02-23 08:11:06 AM
Shadowknight: BraveNewCheneyWorld: swingerofbirches: These people who are going to defend against government tyranny with AK-47s . . . they do know that the American government has nuclear weapons, right?

Yeah, because if you're going to fight an insurgency, nuking your own land is a fantastic, and not at all self defeating strategy.

Forget the nukes. Tactical bombs, cruise missiles, long range artillery, tanks, shoulder mounted weapons capable of taking down a house... All this stuff kind of makes the whole point of the second amendment a bit moot. Back when it was created, the citizens had the same access to the same weapons as the army, give or take a cannon or two. The only thing that would stop today's US military would be the unwillingness of the army to wage total war on the populous and the actual military members unwillingness to attack their own countrymen.

Hardware wise, you aren't going to "survive" long against an organization that could atomize your entire camp from a ship hundreds of miles away.


Even with the weapons we have today, good luck fighting any kind of sizable insurgency hidden within the land area of the U.S., that also happens to be the origin of your own supply lines. Wars are not won solely by those people on the front lines, the bulk of the victory is behind the lines in the manufacturing and supply chain. 3 guys in a tank can kill a hundred people, but take away that supply chain and a hundred people will kill that tank crew with ease. You're talking out of your ass, you know literally nothing about war.

Shadowknight: badhatharry: Is that why they don't teach kids about Patrick Henry in school?

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Somehow, I just don't see teaching your kids that death is preferable to slavery as remotely immoral.

I see a difference in teaching kids about it, and actually advocating and wearing branded gear saying that they are willing to die for it.  As a kid, I was taught about slavery, and the ultimate causes of the Civil War, and decided myself that yeah, it would have been a cause worth fighting and dying for.  These guys are putting a deadly toy in their hand and telling them "People out there want to take this penis extension from you. You need to be willing to die to stop them."

I can see the difference, myself.


"that's different" isn't an argument.

And the whole "penis extension" thing.. just makes you look like an asshole who can't think for him/herself.
 
2013-02-23 08:24:02 AM
Our paths in life are selected for us. Those kids are on a tough path.
 
2013-02-23 08:28:21 AM

way south: The purpose of keeping weapons around isn't just for rebellion against the government,


You're right. The purpose of the 2nd Amendment was less to empower citizens to murder law enforcement officers, soldiers, and sailors. Its primary purpose was to guarantee the right of slave states to maintain militias to put down slave rebellions.
 
2013-02-23 08:30:54 AM

mittromneysdog: way south: The purpose of keeping weapons around isn't just for rebellion against the government,

You're right. The purpose of the 2nd Amendment was less to empower citizens to murder law enforcement officers, soldiers, and sailors. Its primary purpose was to guarantee the right of slave states to maintain militias to put down slave rebellions.


lols, you just can't make this stuff up. Or, rather, you can.
 
2013-02-23 08:31:52 AM

Fail in Human Form: HindiDiscoMonster: jso2897: Jon iz teh kewl: AK-47's, glocks.  they're all the same if u ask me

Yeah, it's pretty much boring nerd-shiat if yoiu don't have OCD or Asperger's.Fail in Human Form: Every free man and woman should understand the basics of being a rifleman.

Well, basically, this is your rifle, and this is your gun............

i looooove that movie

My buddy and I watched that movie about a dozen times before basic.  I remember sitting on my duffel bag at reception center getting ready to head out on the bus.  One of the guys was smiling and one of our future drill sergeants came over and said, "Are you having a good time private?  Don't worry we'll fix that".  My first thought was farkkkkkkk here we go.


you have cool quotes in your profile
 
2013-02-23 08:34:32 AM
I'm thinking about buying my son one of those 10/22 AK47s for his 21st birthday.  Or an older Enfield Glock.
 
2013-02-23 08:37:29 AM

evilotto: All the paramilitary wackiness aside, teaching kids safe firearms handling is not a bad thing.


And they have a father who takes an active interest in their lives, doesn't beat them, and spends time with them on his court directed every fourth weekend.  I'm sure my kids were just as traumatized by me dragging them into the woods to search for fossils every couple months.  We didn't play dress up with camo like the dad from TFA, but we did get pretty darn muddy and we packed some extremely dangerous weapons: Picks, hand sledges, and or course everyone knows that geologist hammers are one relatively light swing away from a killing instrument..
 
2013-02-23 08:38:43 AM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: "that's different" isn't an argument.


"That's different" is the whole basis of western jurisprudence since probably the Roman Empire. It's all about whether this case is different or the same as the last case like it. Someone should tell every lawyer for the past two and a half millennia that they haven't been making arguments.

And the whole "penis extension" thing.. just makes you look like an asshole who can't think for him/herself.

Looks like someone hit a nerve. Welcome to Fark. In fact, empirical research shows a link between firearms fanaticism and small penis size. Moreover, degree of fanaticism correlates with smallness of penis. Science.
 
2013-02-23 08:44:30 AM
The worrisome part is that they consider fellow Americans who disagree with them as the enemy.
 
2013-02-23 08:48:34 AM
i.imgur.com

I think they need to watch out for tail end charlie...
 
2013-02-23 08:50:31 AM

mittromneysdog: BraveNewCheneyWorld: "that's different" isn't an argument.

"That's different" is the whole basis of western jurisprudence since probably the Roman Empire. It's all about whether this case is different or the same as the last case like it. Someone should tell every lawyer for the past two and a half millennia that they haven't been making arguments.

And the whole "penis extension" thing.. just makes you look like an asshole who can't think for him/herself.

Looks like someone hit a nerve. Welcome to Fark. In fact, empirical research shows a link between firearms fanaticism and small penis size. Moreover, degree of fanaticism correlates with smallness of penis. Science.


Normally I don't give a crap about something like this, but I really have to ask you provide the legal and scientific articles for those claims.  I'm actually quite interested to see if you can pull it off (no pun intended).

/does not own a firearm
 
2013-02-23 08:51:37 AM

Yogimus: Shadowknight: jat26006: Nothing tactical that I could see.  Even remotely.  ESp dude on cellphone.

He was discussing tactics.  He was tactically ordering a dozen pizzas so his "squad" could have lunch.  And he strategically made sure that one had no olives.  His "commander" hates olives.  And he probably "covertly" put it on his buddy's credit card.

Yea, no way tactical.  Real military never uses cell phones. Ever.


How's that straw man working out for ya?  Never said anything you just argued.
 
2013-02-23 08:55:05 AM

mittromneysdog: BraveNewCheneyWorld: "that's different" isn't an argument.

"That's different" is the whole basis of western jurisprudence since probably the Roman Empire. It's all about whether this case is different or the same as the last case like it. Someone should tell every lawyer for the past two and a half millennia that they haven't been making arguments.


No, I'm pretty sure you have to back it up with well reasoned arguments as to why "that's different".

mittromneysdog: Looks like someone hit a nerve. Welcome to Fark. In fact, empirical research shows a link between firearms fanaticism and small penis size. Moreover, degree of fanaticism correlates with smallness of penis. Science.


Right, it has nothing to do with the fact that the penis size thing is completely overused and not funny.  Anyone who says it gets instantly branded as equal intelligence as someone who thinks the "chicken crossing the road joke" is funny.

Honestly, if you even want to discuss the topic seriously, why is an expensive car a penis extension if for no other reason that is shows women that a man can provide?  Isn't a gun the exact opposite?  Wouldn't a gun be like a crutch supplementing physical dominance, which would mean that gun owners are likely very secure with their penis size?
 
2013-02-23 08:55:33 AM

Okoboji: Normally I don't give a crap about something like this, but I really have to ask you provide the legal and scientific articles for those claims.


Absurdity! This is a Fark thread, not an academic seminar!
 
2013-02-23 08:58:15 AM

cretinbob: To think you are going to defend anyone from anything is delusional.


Certinaly not the guvmint. Special Ops: would it take them even 5 minutes to waltz in and out? No.

Those kids look like they'd rather be at home playing with their own toys.
 
2013-02-23 08:58:29 AM
i would have loved for my Dad to have spent some time with me. he was either working, drunk or passed out.
 
2013-02-23 09:00:22 AM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: No, I'm pretty sure you have to back it up with well reasoned arguments as to why "that's different".


Nonetheless, you are wrong that "that's different isn't an argument." And sometimes, simple recitation of facts is persuasive enough. In this case, if the difference between teaching children about firearms safety, and putting a gun in their hand and telling them they need to kill liberals isn't apparent to you, then you're the one with the problem, not the poster.
 
2013-02-23 09:01:26 AM
There was an episode of "Burn Notice" that covered this kind of group well.

/ Why yes it was in Florida.
 
2013-02-23 09:04:49 AM

lewismarktwo: mittromneysdog: way south: The purpose of keeping weapons around isn't just for rebellion against the government,

You're right. The purpose of the 2nd Amendment was less to empower citizens to murder law enforcement officers, soldiers, and sailors. Its primary purpose was to guarantee the right of slave states to maintain militias to put down slave rebellions.

lols, you just can't make this stuff up. Or, rather, you can.


Virginia refused to ratify without some way to ensure it could protect itself from its slaves. Its other purpose was to help slaughter Native Americans. So the Heller decision was right on one point: the 2nd Amendment was designed to help ensure the right of self-defense--against slaves and persons displaced from their homelands.
 
2013-02-23 09:06:21 AM

swingerofbirches: These people who are going to defend against government tyranny with AK-47s . . . they do know that the American government has nuclear weapons, right?


I'm pretty sure the American Govt has a NO NUKES AT HOME policy.

Thanks for playing though.
 
2013-02-23 09:08:55 AM

Livingroom: borg: [s3-ec.buzzfed.com image 850x565]This kid is terrified of his father

as well he should be. a crappy tapco SKS and a 38 for a sidearm? obviously his father knows nothing about guns! personally i carry a Beretta 92A1, a glock 19, and a glock 26 in my bugout kit- one in the pocket, two on the vest. 2 extra mags for each. my MBR is a Colt LE6920 with 400rds of tracer-LAP-Ball-Ball-Ball rotation in pmags. thats how a real american defends his woods! and by george, if i have to snipe me a critter, my mosin is up to the task. while heavy and unportable, for an encampment it makes a fine deer gun. not to mention that my YHM 7.62 Phantom works well on all the above rifles!


+1 for the Phantom.
 
2013-02-23 09:09:20 AM
s3-ec.buzzfed.com

This one is just begging to be 'shopped.
 
2013-02-23 09:09:38 AM
s3-ec.buzzfed.com

This kid is busy fapping.
 
2013-02-23 09:12:12 AM

jaybeezey: I'm pretty sure the American Govt has a NO NUKES AT HOME policy.

Thanks for playing though.


Nevada would like to have a word.  Though, also take into account we said we would never torture, yet advocate waterboarding.  We don't discriminate, though we have a history of internment camps that we only relatively recently officially acknowledged as wrong and apologized for.

Not saying that they'd actually nuke a home-brewed insurrection on American soil, as it would render the land and infrastructure unusable.  But I've learned never to say never when in regards to American craziness.
 
2013-02-23 09:17:48 AM

Shadowknight: jaybeezey: I'm pretty sure the American Govt has a NO NUKES AT HOME policy.

Thanks for playing though.

Nevada would like to have a word.  Though, also take into account we said we would never torture, yet advocate waterboarding.  We don't discriminate, though we have a history of internment camps that we only relatively recently officially acknowledged as wrong and apologized for.

Not saying that they'd actually nuke a home-brewed insurrection on American soil, as it would render the land and infrastructure unusable.  But I've learned never to say never when in regards to American craziness.


If you would like to see what that might look like  watch Jericho.
 
2013-02-23 09:20:13 AM
Lot of consistency fail in the notes and the pictures
First the girl has an AK
Then a Ruger 10/22
Then the boy cries he wants her gun
So he ends up with a lever action 22
 
2013-02-23 09:21:59 AM

gerbilpox: [i.imgur.com image 597x395]

First thing I thought of.


Love that movie.
 
2013-02-23 09:23:05 AM

Evil Mackerel: If you would like to see what that might look like  watch Jericho.


LOVE that freaking show.  It got such a raw deal from CBS.
 
2013-02-23 09:24:35 AM
I hate when people hang all sorts of useless sh*t off of an SKS.  Even those Tech-Sights.  Leave it alone, maybe have the action worked to change the trigger from a gritty horrific long pull to a less gritty horrific long pull.
 
2013-02-23 09:25:33 AM

Notabunny: serial_crusher: max_pooper: Should I be surprised at the number of fat people in those pictures?

Pretty much this. I guess part of their survival plan involves storing up calories for hibernation?

Survival in Florida does not require being able to do a situp, or a pushup, or a chinup, or being able to see your toes.


It is an ancient martial art...taught to the people of Florida by the gods themselves.  It is...the Way of the Manatee.
 
2013-02-23 09:25:33 AM

The Snow Dog: They don't look especially skilled at handling weapons. It also doesn't look like they're being particularly safe with them.


With the glaring exception of handing pre teens loaded semi automatic rifles in an uncontrolled environment, I didn't see anything that would make me flip a biatch at the range, TBH. My only criticism is they carry loaded way, way too much.
 
2013-02-23 09:32:47 AM

mittromneysdog: way south: The purpose of keeping weapons around isn't just for rebellion against the government,

You're right. The purpose of the 2nd Amendment was less to empower citizens to murder law enforcement officers, soldiers, and sailors. Its primary purpose was to guarantee the right of slave states to maintain militias to put down slave rebellions.


splain this Lucy:
Vermont abolished slavery before the American revolution, yet had in their constitution this wording ""That the people have a right to bear arms for the defense of themselves and the State as standing armies in time of peace are dangerous to liberty, they ought not to be kept up; and that the military should be kept under strict subordination to and governed by the civil power."
come on splain that to the gunners and preppers lucy
 
2013-02-23 09:34:06 AM
An "enemy" could easily track these guys by their trail of Cheetos.
 
2013-02-23 09:36:01 AM

mittromneysdog: BraveNewCheneyWorld: "that's different" isn't an argument.

"That's different" is the whole basis of western jurisprudence since probably the Roman Empire. It's all about whether this case is different or the same as the last case like it. Someone should tell every lawyer for the past two and a half millennia that they haven't been making arguments.

And the whole "penis extension" thing.. just makes you look like an asshole who can't think for him/herself.

Looks like someone hit a nerve. Welcome to Fark. In fact, empirical research shows a link between firearms fanaticism and small penis size. Moreover, degree of fanaticism correlates with smallness of penis. Science.


There are fewer and fewer people in these threads who aren't afraid to pull out the old "haha you have a tiny peener, gun nut!!!!" line.   Good for you (and Shadowknight) for keeping at it!  Not many are as brave and strong willed as you.  Bravo.
 
2013-02-23 09:36:20 AM
As bad as these pictures look in terms of crazy gun people... I suspect they are actually more safe than your common range bunny.  Looking closely at the pictures, every rifle has a chamber flag in it.  That means that not a single one of these rifles is loaded, and anybody near one can visually confirm that at a glance.  There's at least one brain somewhere in the bunch.
 
2013-02-23 09:36:48 AM

Nuclear Monk: Notabunny: serial_crusher: max_pooper: Should I be surprised at the number of fat people in those pictures?

Pretty much this. I guess part of their survival plan involves storing up calories for hibernation?

Survival in Florida does not require being able to do a situp, or a pushup, or a chinup, or being able to see your toes.

It is an ancient martial art...taught to the people of Florida by the gods themselves.  It is...the Way of the Manatee.


i had plans to write a book once, where everyone got too fat in Florida, and no one was able to pick up chicks, so they all went gay
and called each other Manatees

i called it the Manatee Project
 
2013-02-23 09:38:28 AM

mittromneysdog: degree of fanaticism correlates with smallness of penis. Science.


since you are apparently a fanatical gun hatter you must have no dick at all you clitless bastard.
 
2013-02-23 09:40:46 AM

GanjSmokr: There are fewer and fewer people in these threads who aren't afraid to pull out the old "haha you have a tiny peener, gun nut!!!!" line.   Good for you (and Shadowknight) for keeping at it!  Not many are as brave and strong willed as you.  Bravo.


I'm not saying anyone who owns a gun, or even is an enthusiast, have self worth or insecurity issues.  I own a few guns myself (though they are back with my brother in the States while we finish up our overseas station here in Spain).  But anyone who takes it to this extreme, and structure their entire life around them, is obviously compensating for something.  Whether it be daddy issues, paranoid schizophrenia, or a small dick, they are doing it for a reason.

It's just easier to go "ha, small dick" than write all that out, though.

/it's also a joke
//untwist your panties, lady
 
2013-02-23 09:41:01 AM
I was more creeped out by "grandpa" sitting with the two little girls in his lap and eyeing a 3rd. hah

As weird as it may seem to some of us -- at least these hillbillies are taking care of their children, teaching them about guns, and general safety, and from their weight -- NOT cooking up meth.

It's all better than the alternative - abandon the kids before they were born, letting tax payers support them, and let them grow up to be little bang bangers in the city, the kind that holds their gun sideways and kills more innocent bystanders than their intended target (*cough* Recent vegas rap shooting*)

Just like the 50's and 60's when everyone had their own little bunker at home because they seriously feared "the atom bomb" - it's the same sort of fear we get to deal with for a decade or two.

Personally -- my belief is that yes, the country is circling the toilet. Government isn't here to help you or give a damn about you. If this shiat hits the fan, nothing wrong with having ways to protect yourself and your family.
 
2013-02-23 09:42:37 AM

BenJammin: The worrisome part is that they consider fellow Americans who disagree with them as the enemy.


No they do not consider a person who disagrees with them as the enemy.
 it is the person who actively is attempting to take their perceived rights away from them who is considered their enemy. if the arguments were on equal footing there would be no fear. But when you have an executive who believes he has the power to make law,  without the consult or consent of Congress,then there will be problems.
 
2013-02-23 09:49:00 AM
Just to add one more thought or two:

You might think it's weird/creepy/dangerous - but as yourself the following:

Are they hurting you in any way?
Are they costing you any time?
Are they costing you any money?
Would you say there might be at least one thing you do or say to your kids that others might not agree with?

I'm not going to judge that groups for doing something they want to do that has absolutely zero effect on others. They might be some of the most honest law abiding "good" people you would ever meet.  In an absolute worst case scenario -- if you were hungry, thirsty, and under attack from some roving gang of bandits - you'd love to have a few of these guys around pictured in the article.

Being prepared -- for any situation in life is something a good majority of people have forgotten about.  Not just talking about some break down of society, but things like retirement, savings, emergency funds, emergency food/water/power.  Most people have taken infrastructure and the idea that someone will "always" be around to bail them out of trouble as granted. Which in any situation is a mistake.
 
2013-02-23 09:49:38 AM

Shadowknight: GanjSmokr: There are fewer and fewer people in these threads who aren't afraid to pull out the old "haha you have a tiny peener, gun nut!!!!" line.   Good for you (and Shadowknight) for keeping at it!  Not many are as brave and strong willed as you.  Bravo.

I'm not saying anyone who owns a gun, or even is an enthusiast, have self worth or insecurity issues.  I own a few guns myself (though they are back with my brother in the States while we finish up our overseas station here in Spain).  But anyone who takes it to this extreme, and structure their entire life around them, is obviously compensating for something.  Whether it be daddy issues, paranoid schizophrenia, or a small dick, they are doing it for a reason.

It's just easier to go "ha, small dick" than write all that out, though.

/it's also a joke
//untwist your panties, lady


I think you just like to fantasize about other people's junk.  You can admit it.  You're among friends here.  There's absolutely nothing at all wrong with it.

In all seriousness, if PersonA sees PersonB doing some activity or owning some item and PersonA thinks "Hmmm, PersonB must have a small penis.", it's not PersonB that has a problem.
 
2013-02-23 09:54:27 AM

violentsalvation: I'm pretty much a gun nut, but these people are weird. I think teaching kids and young adults to shoot and proper firearms safety is important if guns are going to be present in the household. But putting little kids in t-shirts that say they're willing to fight and die for their 2nd amendment rights is pretty sick.


Pretty much all of this.
 
2013-02-23 09:55:57 AM

mittromneysdog: BraveNewCheneyWorld: No, I'm pretty sure you have to back it up with well reasoned arguments as to why "that's different".

Nonetheless, you are wrong that "that's different isn't an argument."


"I will ignore your point and repeat 'you are wrong'"

And sometimes, simple recitation of facts is persuasive enough.

Fair enough, now prove that this is one of those times and "facts" recited were sufficient.

In this case, if the difference between teaching children about firearms safety, and putting a gun in their hand and telling them they need to kill liberals isn't apparent to you, then you're the one with the problem, not the poster.

This is the bulk of the "article"-

2. According to its website, the group aims to "protect and defend our Constitution against all enemy threats" by training people to fight and survive.

Can you tell me where in this sentence they're teaching kids to "kill liberals"?   Oh right, you made that part up.
 
2013-02-23 09:56:55 AM

Bonanza Jellybean: Popcorn Johnny: Blue shirt girl.

...is thirteen.


Old enough for breeding when society breaks down
 
2013-02-23 09:57:03 AM
Yeah, I remember hunter safety as a child.. now, assuming these are hunters and not gun nutsurvivalists, the one big "NO" is see there is that they're all wearing camo and not hunter orange.  Having been in the military, and having had hunter safety training as a kid. that's one of the BIG things we were taught to never do.

"Deer can smell you before they ever see you, so they only eyes you're fooling with that forest camo pattern are human eyes likely to have a gun themselves. Can you trust another hunter not to put rounds down range when he sees movement and thinks there might be a 10-point rack to put on his well?"

Being that most of the weapons shown are assault rifles, I'm reasonably sure these are whack job survivalists training their kids young.   Any seasoned and sane hunter will tell you that you don't need automatics to take down a deer, especially since all that barking's going to cause all the deer to scatter, and the kick's going to ensure that the rest of your rounds go wide
 
2013-02-23 10:02:55 AM

Rreal: Being that most of the weapons shown are assault rifles, I'm reasonably sure these are whack job survivalists training their kids young.   Any seasoned and sane hunter will tell you that you don't need automatics to take down a deer, especially since all that barking's going to cause all the deer to scatter, and the kick's going to ensure that the rest of your rounds go wide


It's amusing how so many people simultaneously claim that semi auto is actually bad for hunting deer, but too good for "hunting people".
 
2013-02-23 10:05:20 AM

Mark Ratner: max_pooper: Should I be surprised at the number of fat people in those pictures?

The camera adds 10 lbs.


The all you can eat buffet adds another 100
 
2013-02-23 10:05:59 AM

Rreal: Being that most of the weapons shown are assault rifles...


There's one AKM in the lot, the rest are SKSes or .22s, hell, they're not even all semi-auto, let alone autos.
 
2013-02-23 10:11:39 AM
Somewhere on the web filed under child soldiers is a photo of an African child circa nine years old holding his AK47. He is looking up at the camera he is wearing a pink set of Tinkerbell wings. His face is expressionless. No childhood for him.

A Google on Emmanuel Jal tells of his lack of boyhood in the hot zones.
 
2013-02-23 10:18:51 AM
Looks like the nine year old was learning with a .22. The same thing we were learning with as 8-9 year olds in boy scouts. Oh noes people wearing camo, camping in the woods and teaching the kids to shoot. In other words, meh.
 
2013-02-23 10:21:29 AM
Amazing. If those kids were African, this would be considered a crime against humanity... recruitment of child soldiers. Congratulations America.
 
2013-02-23 10:21:53 AM

Rreal: Being that most of the weapons shown are assault rifles, ...


Instead of just counting the same SKS five times since it shows up in multiple pictures, let's actually break down the rifles in the pictures.

There is:
(1) AR-15
(1) SKS with a brown Tapco Stock
(1) SKS with a wood stock
(1) SAR-1 (AK Clone)
(1) Marlin .22
(1) Unknown .22
(1) .22 lever rifle
(1) Ruger 10/22

That means there are as many squirrel guns in these photos as there are scary "assault rifles"

Here's the real trick for people that saw the pictures, but didn't actually look at them.  I've already noted that everyone seems to have missed the chamber flags... which didn't stop some people from ranting about "children handling dangerous loaded weapons".... but I dare anyone to find a spare magazine on any of the people carrying detachable magazine firearms.  Empty pouches every where.  I'm willing to bet there isn't a single round of ammunition anywhere close by.
 
2013-02-23 10:27:36 AM
This actually looks kind of fun. I'm kind of interested in learning about survival skills and weapons training. Of course this stuff would be used to fend off looters for a day or to in the aftermath of a Katrina like storm or a riot, not some BS magic polar reversal or evil big gubment takeover.
 
2013-02-23 10:28:42 AM
Survivalists are just immature men that never grew out of playing army.
 
2013-02-23 10:29:41 AM
Firearms safety: good.
Insane paranoid "survival" indoctrination: bad.
Chick in the blue shirt: not bad.

/yes, thank you, I'll have a seat over there
//not that old
///slashies!
 
2013-02-23 10:31:14 AM
morganguyton.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-02-23 10:33:52 AM

jehovahs witness protection: serial_crusher: max_pooper: Should I be surprised at the number of fat people in those pictures?

Pretty much this. I guess part of their survival plan involves storing up calories for hibernation?

And every time a camera crew heads to the ghetto, you see fat people of a different color "hawg" the cameras. Fat people have many other traits they share no matter what part of society they come from.


Reading just two posts from you has actually ruined my entire Saturday.

I actually think I need to go shower now to feel clean again.
 
2013-02-23 10:35:52 AM

Shadowknight: GanjSmokr: There are fewer and fewer people in these threads who aren't afraid to pull out the old "haha you have a tiny peener, gun nut!!!!" line.   Good for you (and Shadowknight) for keeping at it!  Not many are as brave and strong willed as you.  Bravo.

I'm not saying anyone who owns a gun, or even is an enthusiast, have self worth or insecurity issues.  I own a few guns myself (though they are back with my brother in the States while we finish up our overseas station here in Spain).  But anyone who takes it to this extreme, and structure their entire life around them, is obviously compensating for something.  Whether it be daddy issues, paranoid schizophrenia, or a small dick, they are doing it for a reason.

It's just easier to go "ha, small dick" than write all that out, though.

/it's also a joke
//untwist your panties, lady


No, it's bush league and makes us look bad.  You're like an Uncle Tom of rational people.  Stop it.
 
2013-02-23 10:35:54 AM
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
*snort*
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
 
2013-02-23 10:36:20 AM

accelerus: I was more creeped out by "grandpa" sitting with the two little girls in his lap and eyeing a 3rd. hah

As weird as it may seem to some of us -- at least these hillbillies are taking care of their children, teaching them about guns, and general safety, and from their weight -- NOT cooking up meth.

It's all better than the alternative - abandon the kids before they were born, letting tax payers support them, and let them grow up to be little bang bangers in the city, the kind that holds their gun sideways and kills more innocent bystanders than their intended target (*cough* Recent vegas rap shooting*)

Just like the 50's and 60's when everyone had their own little bunker at home because they seriously feared "the atom bomb" - it's the same sort of fear we get to deal with for a decade or two.

Personally -- my belief is that yes, the country is circling the toilet. Government isn't here to help you or give a damn about you. If this shiat hits the fan, nothing wrong with having ways to protect yourself and your family.


So what you're saying is at least they're not black?

Oh wait, sorry, you're from Texas. Our views on the world will be so insanely different it's actually not worth even trying to talk to one another about this.
 
2013-02-23 10:40:13 AM

GanjSmokr: In all seriousness, if PersonA sees PersonB doing some activity or owning some item and PersonA thinks "Hmmm, PersonB must have a small penis.", it's not PersonB that has a problem.


It's not the object being owned.  It's the vigorous need to let everyone they come in contact with know that they have it and how much they love it and OMG IT'S JUST SO GREAT TO BE A PATRIOT WITH A GUN FARK YEAH I GOT A GUN!

It's the attitude around it, not the object itself.  But keep up your straw man.
 
2013-02-23 10:42:22 AM

Click Click D'oh: Rreal: Being that most of the weapons shown are assault rifles, ...

Instead of just counting the same SKS five times since it shows up in multiple pictures, let's actually break down the rifles in the pictures.

There is:
(1) AR-15
(1) SKS with a brown Tapco Stock
(1) SKS with a wood stock
(1) SAR-1 (AK Clone)
(1) Marlin .22
(1) Unknown .22
(1) .22 lever rifle
(1) Ruger 10/22

That means there are as many squirrel guns in these photos as there are scary "assault rifles"

Here's the real trick for people that saw the pictures, but didn't actually look at them.  I've already noted that everyone seems to have missed the chamber flags... which didn't stop some people from ranting about "children handling dangerous loaded weapons".... but I dare anyone to find a spare magazine on any of the people carrying detachable magazine firearms.  Empty pouches every where.  I'm willing to bet there isn't a single round of ammunition anywhere close by.


I'm less concerned about the kids being around guns - with or without ammo - than I am about the 10 year old (?) in a t-shirt that says he's willing to kill anyone who threatens to take away his guns. That is some seriously farked up shiat right there. Indoctrinating children into the belief that there will come a time when you have to murder people who don't share your political views is pretty depressing. Play with guns, and do it safely, but don't turn kids into violent little warmongers.
 
2013-02-23 10:44:18 AM

Schroedinger's Glory Hole: No, it's bush league and makes us look bad.  You're like an Uncle Tom of rational people.  Stop it.


Fair enough.  It was pretty unnecessary, I suppose.  I'll just continue to call them dangerously paranoid and compensating for something horribly missing in their lives and/or personality.
 
2013-02-23 11:01:54 AM

Bonanza Jellybean: Popcorn Johnny: Blue shirt girl.

...is thirteen.


My reaction to scrolling down...

3. Including children.

"Huh? I dont see any kids, is that one of those baby backpacks? Didnt know those came in camo. Niiice tits though."

4.

"Goddamnit."
 
2013-02-23 11:09:21 AM

misanthropologist: I'm less concerned about the kids being around guns - with or without ammo - than I am about the 10 year old (?) in a t-shirt that says he's willing to kill anyone who threatens to take away his guns. That is some seriously farked up shiat right there. Indoctrinating children into the belief that there will come a time when you have to murder people who don't share your political views is pretty depressing. Play with guns, and do it safely, but don't turn kids into violent little warmongers.


Would you have a problem with a kid in a t-shirt that stated he's willing to kill anyone who tries to reintroduce slavery?
 
2013-02-23 11:20:39 AM

cfletch13: Survivalists are just immature men that never grew out of playing army.


And often times they were never in the Army.
 
2013-02-23 11:22:47 AM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: misanthropologist: I'm less concerned about the kids being around guns - with or without ammo - than I am about the 10 year old (?) in a t-shirt that says he's willing to kill anyone who threatens to take away his guns. That is some seriously farked up shiat right there. Indoctrinating children into the belief that there will come a time when you have to murder people who don't share your political views is pretty depressing. Play with guns, and do it safely, but don't turn kids into violent little warmongers.

Would you have a problem with a kid in a t-shirt that stated he's willing to kill anyone who tries to reintroduce slavery?


Yes, I would. Because the problem is not the defense of a constitutional amendment, but rather the threat of using violence to defend it. Also, there's a subtle but very important difference between "I'll kill anyone who tries to take away my rights" and "I'll defend to my death against anyone trying to take away my rights" (as in the famous quote by Voltaire "I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it"). I'm willing to die defending my family, but I'm far less willing to kill to defend my family, to the point that I would do pretty much whatever possible to avoid having to kill. The t-shirt this little kid was wearing in the picture is a celebration of his willingness to kill. That's gruesome.
 
2013-02-23 11:30:48 AM

misanthropologist: BraveNewCheneyWorld: misanthropologist: I'm less concerned about the kids being around guns - with or without ammo - than I am about the 10 year old (?) in a t-shirt that says he's willing to kill anyone who threatens to take away his guns. That is some seriously farked up shiat right there. Indoctrinating children into the belief that there will come a time when you have to murder people who don't share your political views is pretty depressing. Play with guns, and do it safely, but don't turn kids into violent little warmongers.

Would you have a problem with a kid in a t-shirt that stated he's willing to kill anyone who tries to reintroduce slavery?

Yes, I would. Because the problem is not the defense of a constitutional amendment, but rather the threat of using violence to defend it. Also, there's a subtle but very important difference between "I'll kill anyone who tries to take away my rights" and "I'll defend to my death against anyone trying to take away my rights" (as in the famous quote by Voltaire "I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it"). I'm willing to die defending my family, but I'm far less willing to kill to defend my family, to the point that I would do pretty much whatever possible to avoid having to kill. The t-shirt this little kid was wearing in the picture is a celebration of his willingness to kill. That's gruesome.


Good for you that you're trying to be holier than thou, but even the Dali Lama has said that violence is sometimes necessary.
 
2013-02-23 11:32:21 AM

max_pooper: Should I be surprised at the number of fat people in those pictures?


There's some "patriot militia training" videos on YouTube.  It's the easiest, most idiot-proof "cover me while I move!" week-three-of-basic-training tactical movements, and these fatties are getting absolutely smoked.  It would be funny if they weren't seriously crazy.
 
2013-02-23 11:32:38 AM
Give a 10 year old a gun and you make a happy kid for a day.
Teach a 10 year old to shoot a gun and you have a soldier for life.

Since I have some small experience with 10yo soldiers, I am getting a kick,,,
 
2013-02-23 11:35:11 AM

Sgt Otter: max_pooper: Should I be surprised at the number of fat people in those pictures?

There's some "patriot militia training" videos on YouTube.  It's the easiest, most idiot-proof "cover me while I move!" week-three-of-basic-training tactical movements, and these fatties are getting absolutely smoked.  It would be funny if they weren't seriously crazy.


If you can find any way of getting the calorie challenged to run around in the woods, you are doing very well.
And with their kids,,, winner!

Sorry Nanny Fine, this gets a green light.
 
2013-02-23 11:41:36 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-23 11:42:01 AM

Rreal: Yeah, I remember hunter safety as a child.. now, assuming these are hunters and not gun nutsurvivalists, the one big "NO" is see there is that they're all wearing camo and not hunter orange.  Having been in the military, and having had hunter safety training as a kid. that's one of the BIG things we were taught to never do.

"Deer can smell you before they ever see you, so they only eyes you're fooling with that forest camo pattern are human eyes likely to have a gun themselves. Can you trust another hunter not to put rounds down range when he sees movement and thinks there might be a 10-point rack to put on his well?"

Being that most of the weapons shown are assault rifles, I'm reasonably sure these are whack job survivalists training their kids young.   Any seasoned and sane hunter will tell you that you don't need automatics to take down a deer, especially since all that barking's going to cause all the deer to scatter, and the kick's going to ensure that the rest of your rounds go wide


So you say a bunch of things to imply that you know about guns... and then go all derp about assault rifles and fully automatic rifles... proving that you don't.

Nice.
 
2013-02-23 11:43:51 AM
I began to read this yesterday and was left with one impression before I stopped; the interval between members of the patrols is far too short.

In my minds ear I can still hear, "keep your interval" and not in a nice voice.

It looks like fun, I hope they are enjoying it.
 
2013-02-23 11:46:13 AM
Remember when the Teabaggers did not understand the words they were using and the title was selfadopted?

Same, same derp when you see "Assault Rifle", or it's kissing cousin "Assault Weapon".
Run up a flag, 'cause it marks a complete idiot on the subject of weapons.
 
2013-02-23 11:50:11 AM
I take a stand.

ALL GUNS ARE ASSAULT GUNS!

'Cause that is what every gun is for.
Well, a few paperweights,,,
Picking out the word "assault" to fearmonger the weak and stupid is simply criminal and needs to be prosecuted.
 
2013-02-23 11:51:44 AM
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-23 11:52:41 AM

AtlanticCoast63: 5. Conspiracy theories are not theories when there are conspiracies... but given that, it is quite apparent from our founding documents that there are safeguards in place to prevent or minimize the potential of conspiracies as much as possible.

Well, kinda this.  I don't at all believe that there is a secret meeting weekly in the crypt of the US Capitol where Our Liberal Overlords meet to plan our demise.  What I do think has happened is that:

(1)we've allowed the Government to wander so far away from its original intent that in order to continue to do their job and earn their share of the pie, they have to come up with ways to justify their existence - and that means that things they come up with are going to start infringing on our rights.  And unfortunately, that leads us to (2):  I really believe that to a great extent, the Government no longer exists to serve the people, but rather to perpetuate it's own existence and power.  When we have an entrenched political class that sadly seems to believe in power and control for its own sake, this is what we're going to get.- political showmen who will do anything for immediate gain rather than long-term thinking.

Do I believe that we need to go all Minuteman? No, no no, a thousand times no.  All we need to do is start voting people out instead of returning them to Congress for decades at a time.

There is no evil intent here - simply human nature.

/Heinlein picks up his Razor and nods


Pournelle's Iron Law at work
 
2013-02-23 11:54:52 AM
kids with guns thread...
needs more Carl
www.slate.com
 
2013-02-23 11:55:19 AM
I'll defend to YOUR death my right to keep my guns.
Sound much better.
 
2013-02-23 12:04:20 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: misanthropologist: BraveNewCheneyWorld: misanthropologist: I'm less concerned about the kids being around guns - with or without ammo - than I am about the 10 year old (?) in a t-shirt that says he's willing to kill anyone who threatens to take away his guns. That is some seriously farked up shiat right there. Indoctrinating children into the belief that there will come a time when you have to murder people who don't share your political views is pretty depressing. Play with guns, and do it safely, but don't turn kids into violent little warmongers.

Would you have a problem with a kid in a t-shirt that stated he's willing to kill anyone who tries to reintroduce slavery?

Yes, I would. Because the problem is not the defense of a constitutional amendment, but rather the threat of using violence to defend it. Also, there's a subtle but very important difference between "I'll kill anyone who tries to take away my rights" and "I'll defend to my death against anyone trying to take away my rights" (as in the famous quote by Voltaire "I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it"). I'm willing to die defending my family, but I'm far less willing to kill to defend my family, to the point that I would do pretty much whatever possible to avoid having to kill. The t-shirt this little kid was wearing in the picture is a celebration of his willingness to kill. That's gruesome.

Good for you that you're trying to be holier than thou, but even the Dali Lama has said that violence is sometimes necessary.


I'm not trying to be holier than anyone, especially not thou. What I'm saying is that there is an important and valuable distinction between recognizing that violence may be necessary as a last resort, in a worst case scenario, and celebrating and flaunting one's willingness to resort to violence as a means to intimidate others.

By the way, the simplistic interpretation of the Dalai Lama's (and Buddhism in general's) perspective on violence/non-violence doesn't really do him or Buddhism justice. Here's something to read to help you think about how complicated life really is: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/andrewbrown/2010/jun/21/dalai - lama-armed-forces-day-message
 
2013-02-23 12:04:55 PM

swangoatman: I'll defend to YOUR death my right to keep my guns.
Sound much better.


Well said.
 
2013-02-23 12:13:15 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I'll never understand how these survival groups plan to survive anything considering they seem very physically unfit. It seems like physical fitness should be priority #1, and playing dress-up in the woods would be somewhere a bit further down the list.


Yeah, instead of stockpiling bullets, shouldn't they be stockpiling high cholesterol medicine?
 
2013-02-23 12:16:50 PM

Click Click D'oh: Rreal: Being that most of the weapons shown are assault rifles, ...

Instead of just counting the same SKS five times since it shows up in multiple pictures, let's actually break down the rifles in the pictures.

There is:
(1) AR-15
(1) SKS with a brown Tapco Stock
(1) SKS with a wood stock
(1) SAR-1 (AK Clone)
(1) Marlin .22
(1) Unknown .22
(1) .22 lever rifle
(1) Ruger 10/22

That means there are as many squirrel guns in these photos as there are scary "assault rifles"

Here's the real trick for people that saw the pictures, but didn't actually look at them.  I've already noted that everyone seems to have missed the chamber flags... which didn't stop some people from ranting about "children handling dangerous loaded weapons".... but I dare anyone to find a spare magazine on any of the people carrying detachable magazine firearms.  Empty pouches every where.  I'm willing to bet there isn't a single round of ammunition anywhere close by.


A gun is loaded, period. The safety flags are great, and I fully approve, but if you're not correct and there are some rounds in there, curious little fingers can put any of those guns back into operation with the flick of a wrist. You don't give kids firearms in loosely structured environments like that. They could very easily sub in airsoft or paintball guns and they should have.
 
2013-02-23 12:20:58 PM

misanthropologist: What I'm saying is that there is an important and valuable distinction between recognizing that violence may be necessary as a last resort, in a worst case scenario, and celebrating and flaunting one's willingness to resort to violence as a means to intimidate others.


I think you're projecting the "celebration and flaunting".  These are not readily evident from the mere act of training and preparation, are they?

misanthropologist: By the way, the simplistic interpretation of the Dalai Lama's (and Buddhism in general's) perspective on violence/non-violence doesn't really do him or Buddhism justice. Here's something to read to help you think about how complicated life really is: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/andrewbrown/2010/jun/21/dalai - lama-armed-forces-day-message


I didn't provide any examples apart from his statement that violence is sometimes necessary, so I'm wondering why you make the assumption that my interpretation is simplistic.
 
2013-02-23 12:24:50 PM

sleeper2995: Great! This thread again. Wait. I'm being obtuse. Hopefully the rest of the people on Fark will realize that the majority of gun owners aren't crazy militant hillbillies who only own guns because they think the government is out to get them.


Oh no.  They're also totally paranoid of their neighbors too.  You know, those people who live close by and whom one would normally have some sort of friendly relationship with?  Yeah, most people don't even bother getting to know their neighbors anymore.
 
2013-02-23 12:28:02 PM

Straelbora: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I'll never understand how these survival groups plan to survive anything considering they seem very physically unfit. It seems like physical fitness should be priority #1, and playing dress-up in the woods would be somewhere a bit further down the list.

Yeah, instead of stockpiling bullets, shouldn't they be stockpiling high cholesterol medicine?


Take away the "diet" soda, go for a walk in the woods, and they will be fine.
Back in the day, it was Cowboys and Indians.
Cowboys and Muslims is no diff.
 
2013-02-23 12:29:24 PM

swangoatman: No they do not consider a person who disagrees with them as the enemy.
 it is the person who actively is attempting to take their perceived rights away from them who is considered their enemy.


They don't seem to demonstrate that they see much difference between the people described in your first sentence and the people in your second sentence.
 
2013-02-23 12:38:02 PM

publikenemy: I don't see all that much wrong with this. However, these guys remind me of the guy who is a karate master, but when he finds himself in a real situation, has a hard time with the execution of his skillset.

It's ok if you wanna be fat, but can you see these guys running through the woods with all that gear and weaponry when you are facing real people with real guns and you actually have to move your ass with a quickness lest you be dead? That goes for the guys who aren't fat either..

It's all fun and games, till they start shootin back.


I've kinda wanted to see a group of "survivalists" to against an average teenage paintball team. It's not the same as real combat, but it should be amusing to watch them get their asses kicked because they're too winded to run from cover to cover with any kind of speed.

The excuses from a bunch of 40 year olds who like to play dress-up in the woods would be the greatest thing ever. Especially when you point out that, if they can't perform in a simple exercise like paintball, how the fark are they gonna stand up to a real, trained force with better weapons, armor and intelligence?
 
2013-02-23 12:50:49 PM

Coolfusis: publikenemy: I don't see all that much wrong with this. However, these guys remind me of the guy who is a karate master, but when he finds himself in a real situation, has a hard time with the execution of his skillset.

It's ok if you wanna be fat, but can you see these guys running through the woods with all that gear and weaponry when you are facing real people with real guns and you actually have to move your ass with a quickness lest you be dead? That goes for the guys who aren't fat either..

It's all fun and games, till they start shootin back.

I've kinda wanted to see a group of "survivalists" to against an average teenage paintball team. It's not the same as real combat, but it should be amusing to watch them get their asses kicked because they're too winded to run from cover to cover with any kind of speed.

The excuses from a bunch of 40 year olds who like to play dress-up in the woods would be the greatest thing ever. Especially when you point out that, if they can't perform in a simple exercise like paintball, how the fark are they gonna stand up to a real, trained force with better weapons, armor and intelligence?


I'd tell ya, but then,,,
 
2013-02-23 12:52:54 PM

The_Original_Roxtar: kids with guns thread...
needs more Carl
[www.slate.com image 439x268]


cdn.ebaumsworld.com
 
2013-02-23 12:57:19 PM

swangoatman: I'll defend to YOUR death my right to keep my guns.
Sound much better.


We all saw how well that mentality worked out for Dorner.
 
2013-02-23 01:06:15 PM

willfullyobscure:
A gun is loaded, period.

Okay, let's play the Sanctimonious About the Four Rules game.  Let's pretend that these guys safety measures only extend so far as what we can see in the pictures (verifiable empty firearms and no live ammunition allowed).  Find a single safety violation by a single person in any photo.  Not a single firearm pointed at another person, not a single finger on a trigger.  Adult or child.

As crazy as these people may appear to be, there isn't an indication anywhere in any of the photos that their safety is anything but top notch.

Kids with firearms is a common occurrence once we get away from the panty wetting city dwellers.


willfullyobscure: You don't give kids firearms in loosely structured environments like that.


Except that for generations kids have been given firearms and told to go get dinner without any adult supervision what so ever.

The problem with the gun control crowd is that they project their own failings and insecurity onto others and assume they are as irresponsible as they are.
 
2013-02-23 01:08:52 PM

HindiDiscoMonster: jso2897: Jon iz teh kewl: AK-47's, glocks.  they're all the same if u ask me

Yeah, it's pretty much boring nerd-shiat if yoiu don't have OCD or Asperger's.Fail in Human Form: Every free man and woman should understand the basics of being a rifleman.

Well, basically, this is your rifle, and this is your gun............

i looooove that movie


Platoon 2074, 1981, San Diego.

SSgt Hall was R. Lee's farkin' twin.

Loved the movie? I lived the movie.

"Recruit, $600 worth of uniform, and you still look like a bag of shiat"

/good times, good times
//teach the kid accuracy first, then teach them controlled rapid fire
 
2013-02-23 01:09:03 PM

Click Click D'oh: Kids with firearms is a common occurrence once we get away from the panty wetting city dwellers.


Kids with firearms is a common occurrence in cities too. It's just a different kind of experience.
 
2013-02-23 01:09:52 PM
Why do these types of people think it appropriate to sex-up young girls? This is a 9-year-old with a hair dye job.

s3-ec.buzzfed.com

Oh, I guess they are just laying in a supply for when they retreat to their bunker. Little fat boy looks on in dismay when he realizes he won't be invited to help repopulate the race.

s3-ec.buzzfed.com
 
2013-02-23 01:14:34 PM
s3-ec.buzzfed.com

Are we becoming what we fear:

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-23 01:17:01 PM

Coolfusis: I've kinda wanted to see a group of "survivalists" to against an average teenage paintball team. It's not the same as real combat, but it should be amusing to watch them get their asses kicked because they're too winded to run from cover to cover with any kind of speed.


Yeah, that would be kind of funny...  It would last all of about two seconds until the whole paintball team was dead because they never realized that 5.56 and 7.62 will zip clean through that 1/4 inch plywood they are hiding behind.  Of course, their buddy would be arguing that he's not really dead because it was just bunker splatter.

Not that paintballers are any better that lardo militia members.  I don't know how many times I saw a lardass bunkering on his knees using  his middle finger to fip fip fip a small fortune of paintballs out of an autococker held up next to his ear.
 
2013-02-23 01:26:05 PM

Agent Smiths Laugh: Are we becoming what we fear:


American kids have better trigger discipline
 
2013-02-23 01:30:41 PM

Benjamin Orr: Agent Smiths Laugh: Are we becoming what we fear:

American kids have better trigger discipline


American kids also have the muzzles pointed in a safe direction.
 
2013-02-23 01:30:43 PM
ugh, this is NOT needed. Geez!

Guns don't solve CRAP! These kids need to learn how to grow a backbone and emotional empowerment rather than how shoot a damn gun.

/why yes, I am a liberal
//a dirty, proud liberal!
 
2013-02-23 01:39:35 PM

Mark Ratner: max_pooper: Should I be surprised at the number of fat people in those pictures?

The camera adds 10 lbs.


So they had six or seven cameras pointed at them then?
 
2013-02-23 01:42:46 PM

mafiageek1980: ugh, this is NOT needed. Geez!

Guns don't solve CRAP! These kids need to learn how to grow a backbone and emotional empowerment rather than how shoot a damn gun.

/why yes, I am a liberal
//a dirty, proud liberal!


i2.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-02-23 01:43:32 PM

Schroedinger's Glory Hole: Shadowknight: GanjSmokr: There are fewer and fewer people in these threads who aren't afraid to pull out the old "haha you have a tiny peener, gun nut!!!!" line.   Good for you (and Shadowknight) for keeping at it!  Not many are as brave and strong willed as you.  Bravo.

I'm not saying anyone who owns a gun, or even is an enthusiast, have self worth or insecurity issues.  I own a few guns myself (though they are back with my brother in the States while we finish up our overseas station here in Spain).  But anyone who takes it to this extreme, and structure their entire life around them, is obviously compensating for something.  Whether it be daddy issues, paranoid schizophrenia, or a small dick, they are doing it for a reason.

It's just easier to go "ha, small dick" than write all that out, though.

/it's also a joke
//untwist your panties, lady

No, it's bush league and makes us look bad.  You're like an Uncle Tom of rational people.  Stop it.


"Us"? Jesus, it's Fark for fark's sake. If commenting on a message board is such serious business to you or a topic so dear to your heart that you can't relax then you have issues yourself. Small penis perhaps? :p
 
2013-02-23 01:44:11 PM
L'il porker needs that rifle in case someone comes after his cheesy poofs.
 
2013-02-23 01:45:52 PM

jaybeezey: swingerofbirches: These people who are going to defend against government tyranny with AK-47s . . . they do know that the American government has nuclear weapons, right?

I'm pretty sure the American Govt has a NO NUKES AT HOME policy.

Thanks for playing though.


And you think that if it ever got to the point where the US government was thinking of using nukes against its own citizens that policy, legality or even the Constitution would slow it down?  There are plenty of Alberto Gonzalezes willing to contrive a legal argument covering anything any despot would wish to do.
 
2013-02-23 01:53:52 PM
GI Joe LARPers
 
2013-02-23 01:53:53 PM

Click Click D'oh: willfullyobscure:A gun is loaded, period. Okay, let's play the Sanctimonious About the Four Rules


I already said that I didn't see much of anything that would make a RSO stroke out. My preference for that drill would be mags out as well as breech open/safety flagged. That's only because I'm not fond of getting shot, YMMV.


Click Click D'oh: Kids with firearms is a common occurrence once we get away from the panty wetting city dwellers.


9 years old is too young to be twirling an AK like a baton, sorry. She shouldn't have any kind of responsibility for that thing other than maybe shooting it while Dad helps her hold it. Trotting it around camp like that is not kosher.
 
2013-02-23 01:55:17 PM

The_Original_Roxtar: mafiageek1980: ugh, this is NOT needed. Geez!

Guns don't solve CRAP! These kids need to learn how to grow a backbone and emotional empowerment rather than how shoot a damn gun.

/why yes, I am a liberal
//a dirty, proud liberal!

[i2.kym-cdn.com image 260x260]


sorry, can't see the image you were trying to convey
 
2013-02-23 02:00:04 PM

mafiageek1980: The_Original_Roxtar: mafiageek1980: ugh, this is NOT needed. Geez!

Guns don't solve CRAP! These kids need to learn how to grow a backbone and emotional empowerment rather than how shoot a damn gun.

/why yes, I am a liberal
//a dirty, proud liberal!

[i2.kym-cdn.com image 260x260]

sorry, can't see the image you were trying to convey


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-86ax7TYNM
 
2013-02-23 02:03:27 PM
Hurr 2nd Amendment rights mudderfark-uh
 
2013-02-23 02:31:26 PM

mittromneysdog: BraveNewCheneyWorld: "that's different" isn't an argument.

"That's different" is the whole basis of western jurisprudence since probably the Roman Empire. It's all about whether this case is different or the same as the last case like it. Someone should tell every lawyer for the past two and a half millennia that they haven't been making arguments.

And the whole "penis extension" thing.. just makes you look like an asshole who can't think for him/herself.

Looks like someone hit a nerve. Welcome to Fark. In fact, empirical research shows a link between firearms fanaticism and small penis size. Moreover, degree of fanaticism correlates with smallness of penis. Science.


Freud said it best: "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity"

But do continue with your observation of penii, you may get a date yet!

/a scope on a combloc semi?
//ok, that's just stupid
///unless it's a draganov
 
2013-02-23 02:33:32 PM
I remember the first time i got to shoot an ar15. I was 9.

I honestly believe that firearms safety should be taught to every child. Learn the rules. Learn how they work. over exposing them to gun safety when young takes away the OHHH AHHH factor so that later on in life if you ever come across one the mystery and naughtyness of playing with guns is over and they don't go hiding it to show their friends and accidentally blow little suzies head off.

Kids are curious creatures. exposing them to dangerous things in a well supervised environment is the best way to ensure they know how to act properly when they are unsupervised.

list of things done as a child that would cause helicopter parents to wharbelgharble

played with fire (burn piles of dead brush)
drove the truck on private roads
given pocket knife at 8
bows n arrows
bb guns
real guns (with supervision)
rock climbing no ropes
camping alone

the list goes on. today mom and dad would probably get a visit from CPS

we lived in rattlesnake/mountain lion territory so i understand that it's different from growing up in an urban environment. but learning to prepare for danger and defend yourself shouldn't be belittled.
 
2013-02-23 02:41:39 PM

Click Click D'oh: willfullyobscure:
A gun is loaded, period.

Okay, let's play the Sanctimonious About the Four Rules game.  Let's pretend that these guys safety measures only extend so far as what we can see in the pictures (verifiable empty firearms and no live ammunition allowed).  Find a single safety violation by a single person in any photo.  Not a single firearm pointed at another person, not a single finger on a trigger.  Adult or child.

As crazy as these people may appear to be, there isn't an indication anywhere in any of the photos that their safety is anything but top notch.

Kids with firearms is a common occurrence once we get away from the panty wetting city dwellers.


willfullyobscure: You don't give kids firearms in loosely structured environments like that.

Except that for generations kids have been given firearms and told to go get dinner without any adult supervision what so ever.

The problem with the gun control crowd is that they project their own failings and insecurity onto others and assume they are as irresponsible as they are.


A monstrous  THIS.
 
2013-02-23 02:42:33 PM
These people are a solution looking for a problem. They'll invent one soon enough.
 
2013-02-23 02:46:03 PM

mrexcess: [i.imgur.com image 605x412]


That's one sexy Bull Moose.
 
2013-02-23 02:53:48 PM
Mark Ratner: Pffft, I prefer a phased plasma rifle in a 40 watt range.

hey buddy, just what you see here.
 
2013-02-23 03:05:28 PM

fknra: Kids are curious creatures. exposing them to dangerous things in a well supervised environment is the best way to ensure they know how to act properly when they are unsupervised.


This is so true.  I remember when I was probably about 6 years old, I was watching my grandfather working on something in the garage.  There was an object on the counter that I was curious about.  Naturally I went to grab it and he instantly stopped me, told me not to touch it and threw it in a drawer.  A few hours later I just had to see what it was, so I quickly grabbed it while nobody was around and went off to examine it.  I noticed it had something that looked like a switch on it, pushed the switch and a razor sliced my hand open.  If only he told me what it was and why it was dangerous, I wouldn't have made that mistake.

People are curious by nature, children especially so.  It's better to remove the mystery while an adult is around, than to have a child stumble upon a dangerous object and leave them to their own immature judgement.
 
2013-02-23 03:06:55 PM

The_Original_Roxtar: mafiageek1980: The_Original_Roxtar: mafiageek1980: ugh, this is NOT needed. Geez!

Guns don't solve CRAP! These kids need to learn how to grow a backbone and emotional empowerment rather than how shoot a damn gun.

/why yes, I am a liberal
//a dirty, proud liberal!

[i2.kym-cdn.com image 260x260]

sorry, can't see the image you were trying to convey

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-86ax7TYNM


LOL! I see your point, but they don't need the gun too.

/damn you, now I want Tacos!
 
2013-02-23 04:01:50 PM

mafiageek1980: The_Original_Roxtar: mafiageek1980: The_Original_Roxtar: mafiageek1980: ugh, this is NOT needed. Geez!

Guns don't solve CRAP! These kids need to learn how to grow a backbone and emotional empowerment rather than how shoot a damn gun.

/why yes, I am a liberal
//a dirty, proud liberal!

[i2.kym-cdn.com image 260x260]

sorry, can't see the image you were trying to convey

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-86ax7TYNM

LOL! I see your point, but they don't need the gun too.

/damn you, now I want Tacos!


you're right... it's best to keep people ignorant of the proper way to handle a firearm. keep guns as taboo as possible, so that the kids will have no interest in them. hell, that tactic works so well with drugs, alcohol, sex, tobacco...

bring up an entire generation comprised of hoplophobes on one side and idiots with no training on the other and you'll get that gun ban you're salivating over.
 
2013-02-23 04:42:19 PM
I'm a gun-free society type, but this story smacks of the sneering superiority you get from certain comfortable middleclass busybodies. Oh look, these people are different from us.

On the other hand, I hate to say this, but carrying guns around is not a sign of a civilised society. A civilised society is one where there is at least a basic level of trust in your fellow citizen and public institutions that you feel safe to disarm.
 
2013-02-23 04:43:38 PM

Fail in Human Form: tinfoil-hat maggie: Sorry I've known to many rednecks and their not gonna change.

Don't worry, the federal government is coming up with ways to deal with it:

"Detailed information on each category of ideological motivation can be found in the Profiles of Perpetrators of Terrorism-United States report compiled by the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism (Miller, Smarick, and Simone, 2011). Briefly, the report describes each category as follows:

Extreme Right-Wing: groups that believe that one's personal and/or national "way of life" is under attack and is either already lost or that the threat is imminent (for some the threat is from a specific ethnic, racial, or religious group), and believe in the need to be prepared for an attack either by participating in paramilitary preparations and training or survivalism.

Groups may also be fiercely nationalistic (as opposed to universal and international in orientation), anti-global, suspicious of centralized federal authority,  reverent of individual liberty, and believe in conspiracy theories that involve grave threat to national sovereignty and/or personal liberty."


The terribly sad part is that this describes a rational, intelligent individual with a strong ego and clear ideals as to what to do with it.

Since basically everything in the second paragraph is actually HAPPENING.
 
2013-02-23 04:54:30 PM

mafiageek1980: ugh, this is NOT needed. Geez!

Guns don't solve CRAP! These kids need to learn how to grow a backbone and emotional empowerment rather than how shoot a damn gun.

/why yes, I am a liberal
//a dirty, proud liberal!




If 3 million Cambodians had 3 million rifles and 6 millions Jews had 6 million rifles how many would have died at the hands of a dictator? The 2nd amendment is not about hunting it's about tyrants
img.timeinc.netcybercambodia.comnewint.org
llwproductions.files.wordpress.com
And "Never Again" is just a stupid slogan it happens over and over again thanks to liberals like you. (The Cambodians were mostly likely shot in the head shortly after their photo was taken)
 
2013-02-23 04:55:16 PM

The_Original_Roxtar: mafiageek1980: The_Original_Roxtar: mafiageek1980: The_Original_Roxtar: mafiageek1980: ugh, this is NOT needed. Geez!

Guns don't solve CRAP! These kids need to learn how to grow a backbone and emotional empowerment rather than how shoot a damn gun.

/why yes, I am a liberal
//a dirty, proud liberal!

[i2.kym-cdn.com image 260x260]

sorry, can't see the image you were trying to convey

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-86ax7TYNM

LOL! I see your point, but they don't need the gun too.

/damn you, now I want Tacos!

you're right... it's best to keep people ignorant of the proper way to handle a firearm. keep guns as taboo as possible, so that the kids will have no interest in them. hell, that tactic works so well with drugs, alcohol, sex, tobacco...

bring up an entire generation comprised of hoplophobes on one side and idiots with no training on the other and you'll get that gun ban you're salivating over.


and what's wrong with keeping them ignorant about hand guns? Why would they need to learn something that serves no other purpose than to kill or injure.

There's one thing to be AWARE of something, it's another to teach them how to USE the very thing that is meant to injure or kill
 
2013-02-23 05:05:50 PM

Phoenix_M: If 3 million Cambodians had 3 million rifles and 6 millions Jews had 6 million rifles how many would have died at the hands of a dictator? The 2nd amendment is not about hunting it's about tyrants


The 2nd amendment expressly exists for the perpetuation of the federal government in the face of external threats, NOT for personal protection against one's own government.

Hence, "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free STATE..."
 
2013-02-23 05:09:52 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: [s3-ec.buzzfed.com image 850x565]

Creepy.


Depends. You don't know the back story. I'm guessing it is the dad. Still creepy but less so.
 
2013-02-23 05:27:21 PM
Something seems really wrong with this picture.

s3-ec.buzzfed.com
 
2013-02-23 05:45:43 PM

lewismarktwo: mittromneysdog: way south: The purpose of keeping weapons around isn't just for rebellion against the government,

You're right. The purpose of the 2nd Amendment was less to empower citizens to murder law enforcement officers, soldiers, and sailors. Its primary purpose was to guarantee the right of slave states to maintain militias to put down slave rebellions.

lols, you just can't make this stuff up. Or, rather, you can.


He is actually correct.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slave_patrol
 
2013-02-23 05:55:04 PM

Phoenix_M: If 3 million Cambodians had 3 million rifles and 6 millions Jews had 6 million rifles how many would hav


You really think fragmented and untrained civilians would have been able to successfully fight the military? Especially the German military?

Because I think that's just silly. In fact, I'm fairly sure that killing a soldier or two would probably have turned into torture and the most painful death imaginable pretty quickly.
 
2013-02-23 06:39:08 PM

Genevieve Marie: Phoenix_M: If 3 million Cambodians had 3 million rifles and 6 millions Jews had 6 million rifles how many would hav

You really think fragmented and untrained civilians would have been able to successfully fight the military? Especially the German military?

Because I think that's just silly. In fact, I'm fairly sure that killing a soldier or two would probably have turned into torture and the most painful death imaginable pretty quickly.



Actually, it is amazing what fewer than 1000 firearms can do against a modern army.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Ghetto_Uprising">http://en.wikip edia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Ghetto_Uprising
 
2013-02-23 06:43:09 PM

udhq: Phoenix_M: If 3 million Cambodians had 3 million rifles and 6 millions Jews had 6 million rifles how many would have died at the hands of a dictator? The 2nd amendment is not about hunting it's about tyrants

The 2nd amendment expressly exists for the perpetuation of the federal government in the face of external threats, NOT for personal protection against one's own government.

Hence, "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free STATE..."


Sorry but you've been misinformed, the "STATES" were 13 individual entities loosely bound in trade and defense. The 10th follows this up with "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." The 2nd was placed 2nd behind only the right to freedom of press/expression because they wanted to make sure that if the Federal Government overstepped its bound that the people could put it back in it's place.

/nice try with the revisionist history there though
 
2013-02-23 06:43:14 PM

Slam1263: Genevieve Marie: Phoenix_M: If 3 million Cambodians had 3 million rifles and 6 millions Jews had 6 million rifles how many would hav

You really think fragmented and untrained civilians would have been able to successfully fight the military? Especially the German military?

Because I think that's just silly. In fact, I'm fairly sure that killing a soldier or two would probably have turned into torture and the most painful death imaginable pretty quickly.


Actually, it is amazing what fewer than 1000 firearms can do against a modern army.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Ghetto_Uprising">http://en.wikip edia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Ghetto_Uprising


It's funny, because the first paragraph of the wiki points out that the resistance was poorly trained and poorly armed and were crushed pretty quickly.
 
2013-02-23 06:43:59 PM

Slam1263: Genevieve Marie: Phoenix_M: If 3 million Cambodians had 3 million rifles and 6 millions Jews had 6 million rifles how many would hav

You really think fragmented and untrained civilians would have been able to successfully fight the military? Especially the German military?

Because I think that's just silly. In fact, I'm fairly sure that killing a soldier or two would probably have turned into torture and the most painful death imaginable pretty quickly.


Actually, it is amazing what fewer than 1000 firearms can do against a modern army.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Ghetto_Uprising">http://en.wikip edia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Ghetto_Uprising


Yeah... Umm... That was a great result for Polish Jews.
 
2013-02-23 06:52:22 PM

saturn badger: lewismarktwo: mittromneysdog: way south: The purpose of keeping weapons around isn't just for rebellion against the government,

You're right. The purpose of the 2nd Amendment was less to empower citizens to murder law enforcement officers, soldiers, and sailors. Its primary purpose was to guarantee the right of slave states to maintain militias to put down slave rebellions.

lols, you just can't make this stuff up. Or, rather, you can.

He is actually correct.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slave_patrol


Actually the 2nd Amendment has many reasons.

1) A standing army was considered bad because it could lead to a military coup overtaking of the government.

2)  Having some trained local militia as a Weeners to a foreign (English, French, Spanish) invasion  was considered good considering how long it would take federal troops to arrive at the conflict.

3) Injun trouble. Initially this had to do with Native American alliances with foreign powers (the French an Indian War) but it devolved down to armed groups running Indians off their land and killing them if they objected. Andrew Jackson became president for supporting this policy.

4) Being quickly able to suppress slave rebellions as mentioned above.

Since the 1860s the main militia groups have been the Ku Klux Klan who like to terrorize Negros so that that they learn their place as well as Catholics and Jews.

I wonder (or maybe not) how many militia members realize that they are essentially Klansmen.
 
2013-02-23 06:59:45 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: misanthropologist: What I'm saying is that there is an important and valuable distinction between recognizing that violence may be necessary as a last resort, in a worst case scenario, and celebrating and flaunting one's willingness to resort to violence as a means to intimidate others.

I think you're projecting the "celebration and flaunting".  These are not readily evident from the mere act of training and preparation, are they?


Training and preparation is quietly going about your business at the range or in the bush. Traipsing around in camo, dressing your kids up in clothes with slogans that advocate the use of violence and getting yourself a nice photo spread on the internets (or a show on the TV), as well as running around proclaiming to anyone who will listen and many who would prefer not to... that's celebrating and flaunting.

misanthropologist: By the way, the simplistic interpretation of the Dalai Lama's (and Buddhism in general's) perspective on violence/non-violence doesn't really do him or Buddhism justice. Here's something to read to help you think about how complicated life really is: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/andrewbrown/2010/jun/21/dalai - lama-armed-forces-day-message

I didn't provide any examples apart from his statement that violence is sometimes necessary, so I'm wondering why you make the assumption that my interpretation is simplistic.


You said "Good for you that you're trying to be holier than thou, but even the Dali Lama has said that violence is sometimes necessary." It's simplistic precisely because you didn't provide any context or examples for the statement. For all I know, you heard it somewhere and have no idea whether he actually ever said this, what he meant by it, or what the context was. I like the parallelism though, matching your statement that I'm trying to be "holier than thou" with an apparently contradictory statement from a noted pacifist who no one can reasonably be considered holier than. Simply pointing to a decontextualized statement by a religious figure as evidence that, in fact, violence is sometimes necessary, is pretty simplistic.
 
2013-02-23 07:53:37 PM

udhq: Phoenix_M: If 3 million Cambodians had 3 million rifles and 6 millions Jews had 6 million rifles how many would have died at the hands of a dictator? The 2nd amendment is not about hunting it's about tyrants

The 2nd amendment expressly exists for the perpetuation of the federal government in the face of external threats, NOT for personal protection against one's own government.

Hence, "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free STATE..."


You mad!

/and kinda dumb
 
2013-02-23 08:06:37 PM

Genevieve Marie: Phoenix_M: If 3 million Cambodians had 3 million rifles and 6 millions Jews had 6 million rifles how many would hav

You really think fragmented and untrained civilians would have been able to successfully fight the military? Especially the German military?

Because I think that's just silly. In fact, I'm fairly sure that killing a soldier or two would probably have turned into torture and the most painful death imaginable pretty quickly.


So what you're saying is 6 million armed jews wouldn't have had a fighting chance and would have been sent to death camps rather quickly where they would have suffered unimaginable torture and painful deaths?
 
2013-02-23 08:12:36 PM

sleeper2995: Great! This thread again. Wait. I'm being obtuse. Hopefully the rest of the people on Fark will realize that the majority of gun owners aren't crazy militant hillbillies who only own guns because they think the government is out to get them.


Ya gotta admit, the crazy militant hillbillies aren't helping the cause. I don't own or give a rat's ass about guns. But good, trusted friends of mine do, so I'll accept your premise.

The questions is, what are sane gun owners going to do to stop the crazies? Wayne LaPierre included. And don't blame the evil librul media. That's just lazy.
 
2013-02-23 08:13:12 PM
Saving children from an Obama future. Spiffy.
 
2013-02-23 08:16:07 PM

Phoenix_M: Genevieve Marie: Phoenix_M: If 3 million Cambodians had 3 million rifles and 6 millions Jews had 6 million rifles how many would hav

You really think fragmented and untrained civilians would have been able to successfully fight the military? Especially the German military?

Because I think that's just silly. In fact, I'm fairly sure that killing a soldier or two would probably have turned into torture and the most painful death imaginable pretty quickly.

So what you're saying is 6 million armed jews wouldn't have had a fighting chance and would have been sent to death camps rather quickly where they would have suffered unimaginable torture and painful deaths?


Pretty much, yea. Your original post seemed to promote the idea that had these folks had guns, the outcome would have been different. I'd argue the outcome would have been exactly the same and that appropriating these folks' stories to make a dubious point about the importance of gun rights is a bit distasteful.
 
2013-02-23 08:22:59 PM
Since when did children get so fat.  Jesus.
 
2013-02-23 08:23:37 PM
The pig lives oni.imgur.com
 
2013-02-23 08:24:22 PM
to bear arms exclusively means to carry weapons, as part of an organized military unit, in active combat. It means nothing else and has never meant anything else. the goobermint is well inside it's constitutional authority to regulate the supply, ownership and use of pretty much any weapon as long as it does not remove the ability to keep them. THat's why I can have a 4 foot razor sharp sword but I'll get arrested if I carry it around on my back. Same applies to firearms.
It DOES NOT apply to ordance, destructive devices, and weapons of mass destruction. The gov't could outlaw all ammunition in private hands and all forms for carrying a weapon outside your house tomorrow and the courts wouldn't say boo. And they will unless you people rein in the open carry tards and the tacti-dipshiats. Those are the people that are going to get your guns taken away.
 
2013-02-23 08:25:31 PM

willfullyobscure: The Snow Dog: They don't look especially skilled at handling weapons. It also doesn't look like they're being particularly safe with them.

With the glaring exception of handing pre teens loaded semi automatic rifles in an uncontrolled environment, I didn't see anything that would make me flip a biatch at the range, TBH. My only criticism is they carry loaded way, way too much.


That is part of my point. There are two pics of children holding guns where the barrels, while not pointed directly at someone, are pointed in unsafe directions with respect to whoever is holding the camera. Also, handing a child a weapon (like in the one pic) is just asking for that weapon to be dropped, barrel-first, into the dirt and plugged. Wouldn't think twice if it was a couple of Marines in the pic, though. I just said they appeared to have marginal safety skills, not that they were non-existent.
 
2013-02-23 08:34:17 PM

The Snow Dog: willfullyobscure: The Snow Dog: They don't look especially skilled at handling weapons. It also doesn't look like they're being particularly safe with them.

With the glaring exception of handing pre teens loaded semi automatic rifles in an uncontrolled environment, I didn't see anything that would make me flip a biatch at the range, TBH. My only criticism is they carry loaded way, way too much.

That is part of my point. There are two pics of children holding guns where the barrels, while not pointed directly at someone, are pointed in unsafe directions with respect to whoever is holding the camera. Also, handing a child a weapon (like in the one pic) is just asking for that weapon to be dropped, barrel-first, into the dirt and plugged. Wouldn't think twice if it was a couple of Marines in the pic, though. I just said they appeared to have marginal safety skills, not that they were non-existent.


Compared to my usual expectations for "tactical" firearms owners, these guys are Thunder Ranch instructors. but yeah. if the rifle is taller than the operator, something wrong happened thar.
 
2013-02-23 08:34:28 PM

Genevieve Marie: Phoenix_M: Genevieve Marie: Phoenix_M: If 3 million Cambodians had 3 million rifles and 6 millions Jews had 6 million rifles how many would hav

You really think fragmented and untrained civilians would have been able to successfully fight the military? Especially the German military?

Because I think that's just silly. In fact, I'm fairly sure that killing a soldier or two would probably have turned into torture and the most painful death imaginable pretty quickly.

So what you're saying is 6 million armed jews wouldn't have had a fighting chance and would have been sent to death camps rather quickly where they would have suffered unimaginable torture and painful deaths?

Pretty much, yea. Your original post seemed to promote the idea that had these folks had guns, the outcome would have been different. I'd argue the outcome would have been exactly the same and that appropriating these folks' stories to make a dubious point about the importance of gun rights is a bit distasteful.


Well then you're f**king stupid and maybe you should try talking to holocaust survivors who will explain the importance of gun rights to you.
 
2013-02-23 10:47:49 PM

Cheesehead_Dave: [s3-ec.buzzfed.com image 850x565]

This one is just begging to be 'shopped.


That kid would rather be at home pretending to shoot guns while playing "Call of Duty" rather than out in the woods shooting them for real.
 
2013-02-24 12:02:29 AM

misanthropologist: Click Click D'oh: Rreal: Being that most of the weapons shown are assault rifles, ...

Instead of just counting the same SKS five times since it shows up in multiple pictures, let's actually break down the rifles in the pictures.

There is:
(1) AR-15
(1) SKS with a brown Tapco Stock
(1) SKS with a wood stock
(1) SAR-1 (AK Clone)
(1) Marlin .22
(1) Unknown .22
(1) .22 lever rifle
(1) Ruger 10/22

That means there are as many squirrel guns in these photos as there are scary "assault rifles"

Here's the real trick for people that saw the pictures, but didn't actually look at them.  I've already noted that everyone seems to have missed the chamber flags... which didn't stop some people from ranting about "children handling dangerous loaded weapons".... but I dare anyone to find a spare magazine on any of the people carrying detachable magazine firearms.  Empty pouches every where.  I'm willing to bet there isn't a single round of ammunition anywhere close by.

I'm less concerned about the kids being around guns - with or without ammo - than I am about the 10 year old (?) in a t-shirt that says he's willing to kill anyone who threatens to take away his guns. That is some seriously farked up shiat right there. Indoctrinating children into the belief that there will come a time when you have to murder people who don't share your political views is pretty depressing. Play with guns, and do it safely, but don't turn kids into violent little warmongers.


Would you complain if they had worn the peace symbol or would that indoctrination be okay? How about Mickey Mouse?
 
2013-02-24 05:58:23 AM

Agent Smiths Laugh: Are we becoming what we fear:


Our government has been making enemies everywhere it goes.
Why wouldn't we expect it to make enemies at home too?

/As the saying goes, "If everyone you meet is an asshole, maybe you're the asshole".
 
2013-02-24 12:11:31 PM

swangoatman: BenJammin: The worrisome part is that they consider fellow Americans who disagree with them as the enemy.

No they do not consider a person who disagrees with them as the enemy.
 it is the person who actively is attempting to take their perceived rights away from them who is considered their enemy. if the arguments were on equal footing there would be no fear. But when you have an executive who believes he has the power to make law,  without the consult or consent of Congress,then there will be problems.


Obviously, disagreement in the context of doing something about it.  Speaking for myself, I would have no problem with anti-choice people if they weren't trying to legislate their opinions on everyone.
It is interesting to note how you juxtapose this disagreement with an  blanket accusation specifically against Obama.  Why not the Patriot act or the corporations who have taken over this country?
 
2013-02-24 12:12:18 PM
I'm okay with this.

I think it's stupid, reckless and ill-advised, but hell, plenty of people probably feel the same way about MY hobbies.

/legalize all the things!
 
2013-02-24 01:47:03 PM

BenJammin: swangoatman: BenJammin: The worrisome part is that they consider fellow Americans who disagree with them as the enemy.

No they do not consider a person who disagrees with them as the enemy.
 it is the person who actively is attempting to take their perceived rights away from them who is considered their enemy. if the arguments were on equal footing there would be no fear. But when you have an executive who believes he has the power to make law,  without the consult or consent of Congress,then there will be problems.

Obviously, disagreement in the context of doing something about it.  Speaking for myself, I would have no problem with anti-choice people if they weren't trying to legislate their opinions on everyone.
It is interesting to note how you juxtapose this disagreement with an  blanket accusation specifically against Obama.  Why not the Patriot act or the corporations who have taken over this country?


I never said Obama. You did. I was speaking of the flippant way the executive powers ,both fed and state are on power trips and have been so since 9-11. from TSA to Gitmo to Holder deciding what laws he will not enforce and what governors are now saying that they wont enforce and cherry picking how the law will be enforced to legislation from the bench.. No I see the ball of string unraveling all around. Obama just happens to be the guy driving the bus.
I do see how you feel i was attacking Obama. But actually the gov as a whole needs a bottom up turnover.I have a dog catcher that now must be referred to as "Vector Control Officer" who only responds to nuisance calls IF we have first called the sheriff to determine if we are truly not just calling on a neighbors dog. And the DEPUTY will actually come and identify whether or not that I can call the VCO. One more level of power some jerk feels he is entitled too.
 I for one will not let my weapon of choice be a peaceful march into an internment camp as clearly the entire local state and fed election process is TOO big and TOO influenced by outside forces to be considered the will of the governed anymore,at any level.
See. I am not hating on Obama. I hate them all,
 
2013-02-24 06:13:35 PM

The Snow Dog: Or maybe that's just what he was comfortable shooting?

I don't know... My first deer was with a .243, as was my first elk and my only black bear. .243 IS plenty if you can put the rounds on target. (And that is very easy to do with that flat-shooting rifle.)


Thanks, Chief :)  I appreciate the help and understanding with the other commenters.  I should probably clarify the situation for everyone.  I started out on the .410 plinking doves and my dad was too broke (or cheap- there was a head high pile of silver bullets behind the shop) to get a big rifle and figured an iron sight kill was better.  Those slugs were nothing to sneeze at and had surprising penetration.  Mine was also a break action single with a little bb for the sight lol.  He probably got the 243 for himself the next season iirc and it was his pride and joy.  It was a Savage model but he had a Simmons light collecting scope and 85 gr hollowpoints for those far off shady shots.  I ended up getting it a few years later when he upgraded.  I had been through a trapping/skinning/archery phase during those years anyway and had pretty much gotten into saltwater fishing (coupla moves) by that time anyway.  Nice rifle and the hollowpoint does its jerb everytime and basically goes all Iron Man style and liquifies the heartal region lol.  Everyone have fun and be safe out there :)
 
2013-02-25 08:37:07 AM

swangoatman: BenJammin: swangoatman: BenJammin: The worrisome part is that they consider fellow Americans who disagree with them as the enemy.

No they do not consider a person who disagrees with them as the enemy.
 it is the person who actively is attempting to take their perceived rights away from them who is considered their enemy. if the arguments were on equal footing there would be no fear. But when you have an executive who believes he has the power to make law,  without the consult or consent of Congress,then there will be problems.

Obviously, disagreement in the context of doing something about it.  Speaking for myself, I would have no problem with anti-choice people if they weren't trying to legislate their opinions on everyone.
It is interesting to note how you juxtapose this disagreement with an  blanket accusation specifically against Obama.  Why not the Patriot act or the corporations who have taken over this country?

I never said Obama. You did. I was speaking of the flippant way the executive powers ,both fed and state are on power trips and have been so since 9-11. from TSA to Gitmo to Holder deciding what laws he will not enforce and what governors are now saying that they wont enforce and cherry picking how the law will be enforced to legislation from the bench.. No I see the ball of string unraveling all around. Obama just happens to be the guy driving the bus.
I do see how you feel i was attacking Obama. But actually the gov as a whole needs a bottom up turnover.I have a dog catcher that now must be referred to as "Vector Control Officer" who only responds to nuisance calls IF we have first called the sheriff to determine if we are truly not just calling on a neighbors dog. And the DEPUTY will actually come and identify whether or not that I can call the VCO. One more level of power some jerk feels he is entitled too.
 I for one will not let my weapon of choice be a peaceful march into an internment camp as clearly the entire local state and fed election p ...


You are presenting your own opinion of how YOU feel, but if you took a look at their website you will see they view progressives (not the Patriot Act) as their enemy.

...   Also, we are STRONG believers in the 2nd amendment. There is no negotiating the Constitution of the United States. We believe our founders created the greatest nation on earth and only the Progressive movement has slowly whittled that down. NO MORE! NOT HERE! ..
 
2013-02-25 09:03:53 AM
BenJammin: swangoatman: BenJammin: swangoatman: BenJammin: The worrisome part is that they consider fellow Americans who disagree with them as the enemy.

No they do not consider a person who disagrees with them as the enemy.
 it is the person who actively is attempting to take their perceived rights away from them who is considered their enemy. if the arguments were on equal footing there would be no fear. But when you have an executive who believes he has the power to make law,  without the consult or consent of Congress,then there will be problems.

Obviously, disagreement in the context of doing something about it.  Speaking for myself, I would have no problem with anti-choice people if they weren't trying to legislate their opinions on everyone.
It is interesting to note how you juxtapose this disagreement with an  blanket accusation specifically against Obama.  Why not the Patriot act or the corporations who have taken over this country?

I never said Obama. You did. I was speaking of the flippant way the executive powers ,both fed and state are on power trips and have been so since 9-11. from TSA to Gitmo to Holder deciding what laws he will not enforce and what governors are now saying that they wont enforce and cherry picking how the law will be enforced to legislation from the bench.. No I see the ball of string unraveling all around. Obama just happens to be the guy driving the bus.
I do see how you feel i was attacking Obama. But actually the gov as a whole needs a bottom up turnover.I have a dog catcher that now must be referred to as "Vector Control Officer" who only responds to nuisance calls IF we have first called the sheriff to determine if we are truly not just calling on a neighbors dog. And the DEPUTY will actually come and identify whether or not that I can call the VCO. One more level of power some jerk feels he is entitled too.
 I for one will not let my weapon of choice be a peaceful march into an internment camp as clearly the entire local state and f ...

You are presenting your own opinion of how YOU feel, but if you took a look at their website you will see they view progressives (not the Patriot Act) as their enemy.

...   Also, we are STRONG believers in the 2nd amendment. There is no negotiating the Constitution of the United States. We believe our founders created the greatest nation on earth and only the Progressive movement has slowly whittled that down. NO MORE! NOT HERE!


I guess then we .you and I .agree on more things than either of us are able to see. We also disagree on many things. But I do not think you are coming after my guns. Perhaps you are looking for a way to stop violence and hatred at the root of what makes people kill. That is a long haul. The short cure of taking guns will not remove the hate or violence, nor will it slow down the killing.Rwanda was proof of that. The moral decline of mankind, the sectarianism used to feed the powerful and greed of all classes of people is the root cause. IF that can be addressed then maybe there would be no need for my guns,other than my right to own one.
 
2013-02-25 09:11:13 AM
Ugh fatties with guns
 
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