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(Esquire)   Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: Athlete, actor, ambassador, Bruce Lee villain, now movie critic writes...a rather interesting, in-depth article about Django Unchained   (esquire.com) divider line 66
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2013-02-22 09:59:58 PM  
Ambassador?

*checks Wiki*

"In 2012, he was selected as a U.S. cultural ambassador."

Okay. learn something new every day.  And it was a good article.  Nice find, subby.
 
2013-02-22 10:04:02 PM  
You forgot co-pilot subby.
i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-22 10:30:45 PM  
While I don't necessarily agree with him, he makes some great points.
 
2013-02-22 10:32:12 PM  
Wait a minute! I know you! You're Kareem Abdul-Jabbar! You  write film reviews! I read your reviews! My dad lets me use his iPad. I think you're the greatest, but my dad says you don't work hard enough on effective metaphors. And he says that lots of times, you don't even use a spell checker. And that you don't really try, except during Oscar season.
 
2013-02-22 10:32:21 PM  
That was better than I expected.
 
2013-02-22 10:34:46 PM  

Nabb1: That was better than I expected.


Esquire has some really good writers.  Don't miss on Charles Pierce.

But yeah ... that was far, far better than I expected from a former NBA player.
 
2013-02-22 10:43:16 PM  
I called Django Unchained "revenge porn" to a coworker, who took great offense at that. She thought the movie was the greatest she'd ever seen.

Yeesh.
 
2013-02-22 11:16:51 PM  
Irving Maimway Wait a minute! I know you! You're Kareem Abdul-Jabbar! You  write film reviews! I read your reviews! My dad lets me use his iPad. I think you're the greatest, but my dad says you don't work hard enough on effective metaphors. And he says that lots of times, you don't even use a spell checker. And that you don't really try, except during Oscar season.. You try writing about Tarantino for 48 minutes!
 
2013-02-23 12:22:25 AM  

gopher321: I called Django Unchained "revenge porn" to a coworker, who took great offense at that. She thought the movie was the greatest she'd ever seen.

Yeesh.


This describes every Quentin Tarantino movie evar.
 
2013-02-23 12:27:10 AM  
Djabbar?
 
2013-02-23 12:29:20 AM  

Kuta: gopher321: I called Django Unchained "revenge porn" to a coworker, who took great offense at that. She thought the movie was the greatest she'd ever seen.

Yeesh.

This describes every Quentin Tarantino movie evar.


I don't think Pulp Fiction really qualifies, except maybe from Marcellus's point of view. And we don't even see the hard, pipe-hittin' nubians.

/in general, though, you are correct
 
2013-02-23 12:30:10 AM  
I agree (and I say this as a big big fan of QT's work). There's only been one Tarantino movie that I would call worthy of Best Picture (and the fact that both it and Shawshank lost to Forrest Gump shows how badly the Academy can miss sometimes).
 
2013-02-23 12:32:34 AM  

Kuta: gopher321: I called Django Unchained "revenge porn" to a coworker, who took great offense at that. She thought the movie was the greatest she'd ever seen.

Yeesh.

This describes every Quentin Tarantino movie evar.


And every Quentin Tarantino fan ever.
 
2013-02-23 12:35:10 AM  
I don't think Taratino would take it as an insult if someone said he produces "B" movies as long as you didn't put him in the same category as Michael Bay.  That's his whole style.  Well, that and feet.

/What kind of movies does Michael Bay produce?  "C" for crap or "D" for dreck?
 
2013-02-23 12:35:49 AM  
I haven't seen the movie but I can tell by the over-hype that it really sucks.  I imagine it's what you'd get if Avatar farked Twilight and they had a baby and that baby grew up and had sex with it's mom, Twilight,  and then they had a baby and that baby grew up and had sex with a Syfy movie about genetically impossible sea life hybrids.
 
2013-02-23 12:43:14 AM  
Kareem was always smart. Most of Wooden's four year players were pretty smart. In fact, Kareem was always aloof and preferred to sit around and read instead of yuk it up w/ the team. There's a reason it took so long to get his statue up.
 
2013-02-23 12:44:40 AM  

MrHappyRotter: I haven't seen the movie but I can tell by the over-hype that it really sucks.  I imagine it's what you'd get if Avatar farked Twilight and they had a baby and that baby grew up and had sex with it's mom, Twilight,  and then they had a baby and that baby grew up and had sex with a Syfy movie about genetically impossible sea life hybrids.


Don't knock it till you see it
 
2013-02-23 12:46:31 AM  
love that he added in bullet points for the lazy people that didnt read it
 
2013-02-23 12:47:16 AM  
Oh boy, an Oscar's thread!
i.ytimg.com
 
2013-02-23 12:52:21 AM  

Dahnkster: Oh boy, an Oscar's thread!
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Okay, but don't tell the troll that showed up in yesterday's Fark fish thread because he gets really offended when you correct him on his fallacies and I'm not sure I'm going to have much better tolerance for utter, willful ignorance tonight.
 
2013-02-23 01:05:58 AM  

Summoner101: I don't think Taratino would take it as an insult if someone said he produces "B" movies as long as you didn't put him in the same category as Michael Bay.  That's his whole style.  Well, that and feet.

/What kind of movies does Michael Bay produce?  "C" for crap or "D" for dreck?


"P" for profitable.
 
2013-02-23 01:26:32 AM  
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2013-02-23 01:30:27 AM  

2xhelix: You forgot co-pilot subby.
[i.imgur.com image 641x458]


Actually, for someone in NZ, that's all he's known for
 
2013-02-23 01:41:33 AM  

MrHappyRotter: I haven't seen the movie but I can tell by the over-hype that it really sucks.  I imagine it's what you'd get if Avatar farked Twilight and they had a baby and that baby grew up and had sex with it's mom, Twilight,  and then they had a baby and that baby grew up and had sex with a Syfy movie about genetically impossible sea life hybrids.


I wonder how many bites you'll get. It seems a bit over done. A few sentences less and you'd have some good trolling.
 
2013-02-23 02:14:31 AM  
For a guy who has made as many good movies as Tarantino, I will never understand people that hate him so much. I guess I'm not a "movie person" (music is my preferred art form, but of course I can appreciate movies and such, just not as in depth as a movie junkie) but his movies are better than what normally gets released. Do I think he's the best? Probably not, but I've enjoyed pretty much all his movies, and Django to me is the 3rd best movie he's directed or written.
 
2013-02-23 02:20:41 AM  
I thought the first 3/4s of the movie was great.  Loved Christopher Waltz.  My problem was the violence in the last 45 minutes.

I don't mind over the top violence, but I felt it strayed too far into just plain ridiculous. After his first shootout inside the house I was starting to check my watch. Did they have crew members with buckets of blood to throw all over the walls?

I can see Waltz get an Oscar nod but not so sure with the rest...
 
2013-02-23 02:26:25 AM  
I haven't been farking much lately, but I assume this video of Tarantino trying to communicate with some African-American people was posted here:  http://www.cracked.com/video_18533_why-romantic-comedies-are-secretly - bad-you.html
 
2013-02-23 02:28:08 AM  
 
2013-02-23 02:40:24 AM  

NorCalLos: I haven't been farking much lately, but I assume this video of Tarantino trying to communicate with some African-American people was posted here


Yeah, kind of embarrassing to watch, but his mom was from the south (the accents can be similar) and he apparently grew up in a black neighborhood. Like I said it's embarrassing to see it, but I get it. When I go back to Texas (raised there) I'll randomly get that accent back. So maybe when he's around black people he gets into the accent he grew up being around.
 
2013-02-23 02:44:37 AM  

TheJoe03: NorCalLos: I haven't been farking much lately, but I assume this video of Tarantino trying to communicate with some African-American people was posted here

Yeah, kind of embarrassing to watch, but his mom was from the south (the accents can be similar) and he apparently grew up in a black neighborhood. Like I said it's embarrassing to see it, but I get it. When I go back to Texas (raised there) I'll randomly get that accent back. So maybe when he's around black people he gets into the accent he grew up being around.


Ya-I'm not really judging him for it, but it is novel. I think it's natural to a certain extent. I mean, I talk to my people at work differently than I talk to my friends, which is different from how I talk to my family, which is different from how I speak with my fiancee. BUT, I get why people are sometimes offended by it too.
 
2013-02-23 02:59:03 AM  

NorCalLos: BUT, I get why people are sometimes offended by it too.


Agreed.
 
2013-02-23 03:24:18 AM  

gopher321: I called Django Unchained "revenge porn" to a coworker, who took great offense at that. She thought the movie was the greatest she'd ever seen.

Yeesh.


So was Inglorious Basterds, but somehow the shiat storm was a lot lower for that movie.
 
2013-02-23 03:36:07 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-23 04:20:22 AM  

Zombalupagus: [i.imgur.com image 600x315]


Why does a crackhead have a Fantastic Four tattoo?

Also a gold tooth? Surely she has great-grandchildren to feed.
 
2013-02-23 05:13:30 AM  
Pretty damn good review. Better than most of Ebert's these day/
 
2013-02-23 05:29:14 AM  

NorCalLos: I haven't been farking much lately, but I assume this video of Tarantino trying to communicate with some African-American people was posted here:  http://www.cracked.com/video_18533_why-romantic-comedies-are-secretly - bad-you.html


That was...atrocious.  Did he really think that he could be part of the club by pretending to "speak black"?

Sam Jackson looked furious.
 
2013-02-23 06:16:11 AM  

TheJoe03: For a guy who has made as many good movies as Tarantino, I will never understand people that hate him so much.


He has a very clear style that he likes and can easily rub people up the wrong way, it's "quirky" and in retrospect falls under the dreaded label of "hipster" which didn't exist as an expletive when he first got popular.  A lot of people are now experiencing retrograde shame for having liked something unrelentingly cool and hipster.

Most of Fark would shiat all over Reservoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction if they came out today.
 
2013-02-23 06:33:58 AM  

MNguy: gopher321: I called Django Unchained "revenge porn" to a coworker, who took great offense at that. She thought the movie was the greatest she'd ever seen.

Yeesh.

So was Inglorious Basterds, but somehow the shiat storm was a lot lower for that movie.


I think maybe it might be because Jewish people are harder to pick out of a crowd of Tarantino lookalikes than are African people.
 
2013-02-23 06:49:27 AM  
Good article.  Who knew?  He's right.  Good movie.  Not best picture material.
 
2013-02-23 07:13:54 AM  

TheJoe03: For a guy who has made as many good movies as Tarantino, I will never understand people that hate him so much. I guess I'm not a "movie person" (music is my preferred art form, but of course I can appreciate movies and such, just not as in depth as a movie junkie) but his movies are better than what normally gets released. Do I think he's the best? Probably not, but I've enjoyed pretty much all his movies, and Django to me is the 3rd best movie he's directed or written.


His movies are "good" in terms of style, but not so much substance. As most people are saying, he is a B movie director. He starts out knowing he wants to write some violent movie about revenge and writes everything to point the movie towards the ending he wants in cookie cutter fashion. I enjoyed Django Unchained on the level of it was a good telling of the story, but I still had big problems in that the story wasn't really anything original or interesting, and the characters were as 2d as possible. Your enjoyment of the movie basically comes down to, do you like violence, yes or no.

The movie also dragged out for way too long and had too many scenes with way, way too much dialogue. I think Tarantino writes the same way he talks, just rambling on and on forever. The dude probably wanks to the sound of his own voice.
 
2013-02-23 07:28:49 AM  
Tarantino seems to me the only proof that Asperger's is a real category.
 
2013-02-23 07:58:21 AM  

heinrich66: Pretty damn good review. Better than most of Ebert's these day/


That's why I listen to Filmspotting. Massacre Theater is fantastic.
 
2013-02-23 08:10:51 AM  
I liked that write up. Django: It's good but not great. This is evident when compared to his other works where a character regaling a story is immersed in pathos and emotional content - In Django, King Shultz's telling of the original Hildy story was just piss-poor; entire forgettable and rather pointless.

Also, I wish the characterization was better. Shultz is a great character and I wish I knew more of his past in order to understand more of his motivations, especially in regards to his actions towards the end.

Anyway, I like Tarantino as a director and writer - he's no hack, dipshiat - and while Django is enjoyable for the most part, his earlier films were a lot tighter and plotted better. Inglourious seems to have gotten Quentin in an epic kinda mindset and I don't think he works well that way. I'd love to see another Reservoir Dogs grouping type movie from him.
 
2013-02-23 08:19:45 AM  
Armond had an excellent, insightful review of it too. It's really worth your time to read it(also his essay on spaghetti Westerns)
 
2013-02-23 09:01:42 AM  

Tsar_Bomba1: I thought the first 3/4s of the movie was great.  Loved Christopher Waltz.  My problem was the violence in the last 45 minutes.

I don't mind over the top violence, but I felt it strayed too far into just plain ridiculous. After his first shootout inside the house I was starting to check my watch. Did they have crew members with buckets of blood to throw all over the walls?

I can see Waltz get an Oscar nod but not so sure with the rest...


Waltz was great, but Sam Jackson was the best performance in the movie. He was totally ripped off not getting a nomination.
 
2013-02-23 09:06:34 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Tsar_Bomba1: I thought the first 3/4s of the movie was great.  Loved Christopher Waltz.  My problem was the violence in the last 45 minutes.

I don't mind over the top violence, but I felt it strayed too far into just plain ridiculous. After his first shootout inside the house I was starting to check my watch. Did they have crew members with buckets of blood to throw all over the walls?

I can see Waltz get an Oscar nod but not so sure with the rest...

Waltz was great, but Sam Jackson was the best performance in the movie. He was totally ripped off not getting a nomination.


Agree. Jackson was the best in that movie.
 
2013-02-23 09:28:39 AM  

Superjoe: His movies are "good" in terms of style, but not so much substance.


Completely disagree. His best movies have a ton of substance. What I like to call a "secret movie" in the midst of the flashy "B" movie.
In Pulp Fiction, the secret movie was about the power of grace, as both Jackson and Wills' characters redeem themselves for prior evil acts, are forgiven while Travolta refuses and is punished. In Kill Bill, it was about the futility and emptiness of vengeance. In Inglorious Basterds, it was about how the cycle of violence will be perpetuated on all sides, even if you think you're the good guys. The scene with the Bear Jew beating the very sympathetic Nazi to death with a bat showed that it's not always so black and white who the good guys are. There was also the (perhaps hypocritical) scene of the Nazis in the movie theatre laughing hysterically at the  extreme violence onscreen, before they are roundly condemned and burned alive. Hmm...
If I have a beef with  Django,it's that I don't see what the secret movie is this time. It seems like just what people are saying, a B movie. Which is fine, but a bit disappointing and out of the norm for ol' QT.
 
mhd
2013-02-23 10:20:15 AM  

willfullyobscure: Armond had an excellent, insightful review of it too.


Really? That article is one big "Can't go to bed, someone's wrong in the movies!"
 
2013-02-23 10:39:14 AM  

mhd: willfullyobscure: Armond had an excellent, insightful review of it too.

Really? That article is one big "Can't go to bed, someone's wrong in the movies!"


Armond White is a barking idiot.
 
2013-02-23 11:10:48 AM  

The Snow Dog: MNguy: gopher321: I called Django Unchained "revenge porn" to a coworker, who took great offense at that. She thought the movie was the greatest she'd ever seen.

Yeesh.

So was Inglorious Basterds, but somehow the shiat storm was a lot lower for that movie.

I think maybe it might be because Jewish people are harder to pick out of a crowd of Tarantino lookalikes than are African people.


Also because Inglorious Basterds wasn't really  about the holocaust, just tangentially related. Django is definitely about slavery, and a lot of really graphic violence against slaves is right in your face. If Inglourious Basterds had a big concentration camp section in the middle, it would have drawn the same response.
 
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