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(Lowell Sun)   Lowell, Mass. spent over $50,000 on GPS tracking system for police but won't use it because police have a union   (lowellsun.com) divider line 117
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2013-02-22 08:08:17 PM  
What are they doing on the taxpayer's time that should not be tracked by GPS. If you're at home for half the day it should be used for discipline.

If they're not doing anything wrong what are they afraid of? Don't cops like that line?
 
2013-02-22 08:33:05 PM  
That sort of thing could be a hell of a benefit in coordinating a response. Shame the cops are too shady and scared to use it.
 
2013-02-22 09:10:50 PM  

feckingmorons: What are they doing on the taxpayer's time that should not be tracked by GPS.


I'm more of the opinion WHY ARE YOU WASTING $50,000 tax dollars to build a GPS tracking system. There's uninsured people out there. WTF. This could all be helping people pay medical bills.
 
2013-02-22 09:31:58 PM  
Well, Beverly Hills has this. I saw that on "Beverly Hills Cop". So, rich people have it, why not Lowell, MA.
 
2013-02-22 09:43:04 PM  

doglover: feckingmorons: What are they doing on the taxpayer's time that should not be tracked by GPS.

I'm more of the opinion WHY ARE YOU WASTING $50,000 tax dollars to build a GPS tracking system. There's uninsured people out there. WTF. This could all be helping people pay medical bills.


RTFA man, not a cent of the taxpayers money is being spent on this shiat, they stole this cash from people who had a bag of pot in their car you frigging moron!
 
2013-02-22 09:44:51 PM  
oh wait i forgot the punchline in there, i thought I had one too, damm
 
2013-02-22 10:04:20 PM  

feckingmorons: What are they doing on the taxpayer's time that should not be tracked by GPS. If you're at home for half the day it should be used for discipline.

If they're not doing anything wrong what are they afraid of? Don't cops like that line?


There's a local cop around here who spends seven hours a day at 7-11.  If I go to work late and come home early he's in the parking lot either napping or reading a newspaper.  He doesn't even pretend to work.

I imagine he'd get fired pretty quickly if his car had GPS.
 
2013-02-22 11:54:59 PM  

feckingmorons: What are they doing on the taxpayer's time that should not be tracked by GPS. If you're at home for half the day it should be used for discipline.

If they're not doing anything wrong what are they afraid of? Don't cops like that line?


Welcome to Massachusetts*!

*Bring money
 
2013-02-23 12:09:07 AM  
It costs unions next to nothing to make $50,000 in taxpayer stolen money to be a total waste.
 
2013-02-23 12:52:38 AM  
But two city unions are blocking the project because they want assurances the data will be used for public safety and not discipline.

how do you know that your cops are a bunch of criminals? their union is worried that you might discipline them. assholes
 
2013-02-23 12:57:56 AM  
but seriously
all public employees should be GPS monitored 24hrs a day.
it would be great for solving a ton of crimes
 
2013-02-23 01:09:16 AM  
Somebody I know drives a school bus in our town. She did her job, picked up and dropped off kids at school. At lunch she goes home, or whatever to wait for the afternoon rides or sometimes she's on-call. She parks her bus in the middle of town, at a gym and goes in to get some cardio.

Some nitwit calls the city asking why they're paying for a city employee to go to the gym.
 
2013-02-23 02:29:59 AM  

feckingmorons: What are they doing on the taxpayer's time that should not be tracked by GPS. If you're at home for half the day it should be used for discipline.

If they're not doing anything wrong what are they afraid of? Don't cops like that line?


Can't have supervisors finding out they're all at the donut shop.
 
2013-02-23 02:30:43 AM  

jaylectricity: Somebody I know drives a school bus in our town. She did her job, picked up and dropped off kids at school. At lunch she goes home, or whatever to wait for the afternoon rides or sometimes she's on-call. She parks her bus in the middle of town, at a gym and goes in to get some cardio.

Some nitwit calls the city asking why they're paying for a city employee to go to the gym.


Although it's stupid to make that call to get someone fired, this is a different story.
 
2013-02-23 02:32:31 AM  
I love this: "But two city unions are blocking the project because they want assurances the data will be used for public safety and not discipline." Yep, their issue with it is that they know they are breaking the rules and they'd get in trouble.
 
2013-02-23 02:33:05 AM  
FTA: "Lynch and Lavallee announced the initiative after a cruiser was stolen in the Highlands by Ricky Sin of Lowell. Sin pleaded guilty to several charges, including larceny of a motor vehicle."


A great name for pillow talk.
 
2013-02-23 02:33:21 AM  

fusillade762: feckingmorons: What are they doing on the taxpayer's time that should not be tracked by GPS. If you're at home for half the day it should be used for discipline.

If they're not doing anything wrong what are they afraid of? Don't cops like that line?

Can't have supervisors finding out they're all at the donut shop.


I know the donut shop is the stereotype, but I always see them at Starbuck's and Chipotle and they never appreciate it when I ask if they can say something to the people parked in the yellow zone.
 
2013-02-23 02:34:13 AM  
Oh fark off, pigs.  Put your leashes on, you have nothing to hide.
 
2013-02-23 02:36:19 AM  

feckingmorons: What are they doing on the taxpayer's time that should not be tracked by GPS. If you're at home for half the day it should be used for discipline.

If they're not doing anything wrong what are they afraid of? Don't cops like that line?


Same thing could be said for the Patriot Act, you commie.
 
2013-02-23 02:38:46 AM  
In all seriousness, this is about one-half cops scared the brass will find out they're outside their patrol areas snoozing or taking trips to Boston (or wherever the hell Lowell cops go when they're on the late shift), one-quarter cops who really are doing something wrong shiatting their pants because they know it's only a matter of time before they get caught behind the local crack house or brothel; and one-quarter union reps who could care less about either of the former and are just saying "Cool, something different! Let's make it a contract issue!"
 
2013-02-23 02:38:59 AM  

doglover: feckingmorons: What are they doing on the taxpayer's time that should not be tracked by GPS.

I'm more of the opinion WHY ARE YOU WASTING $50,000 tax dollars to build a GPS tracking system. There's uninsured people out there. WTF. This could all be helping people pay medical bills.


$50k is dirt cheap.


I doubt it costs that little.
 
2013-02-23 02:40:15 AM  

feckingmorons: What are they doing on the taxpayer's time that should not be tracked by GPS. If you're at home for half the day it should be used for discipline.


I agree, The union should be more concerned with making sure their people are treated fairly than protected from consequences of doing wrong.


The only possible objection I could see is if the cops are allowed to use their vehicles for personal use. I'm not sure if cops in my town can drive them wherever they want for personal use, but they do drive them home.

For about a year I had 2 cops who parked their cars in full view close to my house. Now there's only one but another one just moved in around the corner.

Now if you're a burglar do you rob the homes with cop cars parked close to them or do you move on to another neighborhood?

But I'm rambling.....and this probably doesn't even apply here.

II wish the article mentioned something like how many cop cars were outfitted with GPS equipment. You know, maybe they could explain why it cost that much. GPS systems are cheap. Anyone with a smartphone probably has GPS. Then you just have to transmit data in close to real time to a central point and it shouldn't be too difficult to plot them all on a farking map. $50,000 seems a bit steep but without details I can't say for sure.
 
2013-02-23 02:42:30 AM  
bullshiat like this only serves reinforce my disapprobation for public unions, especially of police unions.


/I'd support a constitutional amendment that guaranteed the right to form a public union and collectively bargain against the people as long as it simultaneously prohibited the formation of police unions.
 
2013-02-23 02:47:59 AM  
So, the police can set up a false cell station to track any and all of us, without a warrant, but tracking the police cars themselves is out of the question.  Ah, police unions.
 
2013-02-23 02:50:16 AM  
Yeah, I wonder why?

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2013-02-23 02:52:41 AM  
We are all equal under the law, but some are more equal than others.  Oink oink ;)
 
2013-02-23 02:55:51 AM  
My immediate reaction is that the City was stupid for paying for a GPS service they aren't using. The city was also stupid for paying $50K to add devices they KNOW the Union is going to fight against. Then it hit me. It's easier to apologize and beg for forgiveness, than it is to ask for permission. So the City tells the people, "X-amount has been spent, and that big evil Union is making sure it's wasted, let's all be mad at them!" And people who aren't in Unions, and especially employers, hate Unions, so it's an easy target.

Be mad at the Police Union all you want, but they're doing nothing wrong here. These details should have been hammered out long before money was spent. The City wasted the money because they figured they could blame the Unions for blocking the implementation and face no consequences for wasting money on a project that wont see the light of day.
 
2013-02-23 02:56:51 AM  
The cops have been fighting this for 3 farking years.

Article from February, 2010:
 
2013-02-23 02:57:01 AM  
50k? He'll I have GPS trackers for each of my dogs. It goes on their collars and uses Verizon cell towers to locate them. I can pull Google maps up on my phone and get an instant location and track them. Cost me $79 for each tracker and $9 a month to monitor all three dogs. How can this be costing $50k to monitor twenty our even fifty cops?
 
2013-02-23 03:03:13 AM  
"unions are blocking the project because they want assurances the data will be used for public safety and not discipline."

They're public servants, it should be used for both.

This is why unions need to go away, they're nothing but a remnant of a bygone era. It's not the 1920s anymore, we have more than enough laws on the books to protect workers from unfair/unsafe labor practices and courts to take care of any problems that arise.
 
2013-02-23 03:08:40 AM  

namatad: But two city unions are blocking the project because they want assurances the data will be used for public safety and not discipline.

how do you know that your cops are a bunch of criminals? their union is worried that you might discipline them. assholes


So therefore, we should do away with the union, and then use the data for discipline.

/That is and has been the Republican MO for the past 3 decades...
 
2013-02-23 03:10:56 AM  

EvilBillGates: My immediate reaction is that the City was stupid for paying for a GPS service they aren't using. The city was also stupid for paying $50K to add devices they KNOW the Union is going to fight against. Then it hit me. It's easier to apologize and beg for forgiveness, than it is to ask for permission. So the City tells the people, "X-amount has been spent, and that big evil Union is making sure it's wasted, let's all be mad at them!" And people who aren't in Unions, and especially employers, hate Unions, so it's an easy target.

Be mad at the Police Union all you want, but they're doing nothing wrong here. These details should have been hammered out long before money was spent. The City wasted the money because they figured they could blame the Unions for blocking the implementation and face no consequences for wasting money on a project that wont see the light of day.


There's "nothing wrong" about the union stonewalling this project?
 
2013-02-23 03:22:44 AM  
Ever notice how when Conservatives go after unions, they always exempt police and fire? If they really want to end corruption then why do they consistently exempt two of the most corrupt public worker unions from any "reforms"?
 
2013-02-23 03:24:26 AM  
Some googling reveals they have 170 cops and another 55 sergeants, and higher ups for a total of 225 sworn officers.

By comparison, my town is about 50% larger by population and wiki tells me we only have 194 sworn officers.

Also, Lowell PD's wikipedia page is hugely more detailed than that of my city PD's wikipedia page.

Our cops are pretty cool here. I've only dealt with them a couple fo times but they were reasonable. We also have a fairly low crime rate. I have no idea about Lowell.

But I wonder if there's a correlation. Do reasonable cops reduce crime? Or does high crime drive more cops to be assholes? I suspect the latter but I have no evidence to support it.
 
2013-02-23 03:31:17 AM  

IlGreven: So therefore, we should do away with the union, and then use the data for discipline.

/That is and has been the Republican MO for the past 3 decades...


Strange, I dont remember any GOP candidates running on disbanding Police and Fire Unions.

On the flip-side, the only way to protect public workers from nepotism and abuse from a new administration has proven to be unions.
I guess we need to find a better way to manage unions.

Alas, any attempt to replace the police, would probably have a period of lawlessness while we replaced all the cops.
BAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
 
2013-02-23 03:35:11 AM  
Somehow I want to scream Unions are bad,but even my simple arse know bus drivers, USPS, UPS, and most associated union drivers have GPS in their work vehicle.
/Now LEO on the other hand loved that car makers started putting GPS in every non LEO car in this country, while pulling this type of shiat with theirs.
 
2013-02-23 03:40:45 AM  

drjekel_mrhyde: Somehow I want to scream Unions are bad, good but even my simple ass knows bus drivers, USPS, UPS, and most associated union drivers have GPS in their work vehicles.
/Now LEO on the other hand loved that car makers started putting GPS in every non LEO car in this country, while pulling this type of shiat with theirs.


FTFM
 
2013-02-23 03:41:37 AM  
Lowell, Massachusetts trifecta in play.
 
2013-02-23 03:43:07 AM  
Turn on the damn GPS and tell the union to fark off.  If they aren't doing anything wrong, they shouldn't be acting like they are hiding something.

And let them strike, then fire every single one that doesn't show up for his shift, and start an aggressive campaign to hire new (potentially honest) cops.
 
2013-02-23 03:45:13 AM  

doglover: feckingmorons: What are they doing on the taxpayer's time that should not be tracked by GPS.

I'm more of the opinion WHY ARE YOU WASTING $50,000 tax dollars to build a GPS tracking system. There's uninsured people out there. WTF. This could all be helping people pay medical bills.


These days though that's like two people's medical bills. You might as well have the GPS.
 
2013-02-23 03:55:56 AM  
Oh, there's car 54.
 
2013-02-23 03:57:15 AM  
Didn't you know that police aren't suppose to be held accountable?
 
2013-02-23 04:08:07 AM  
When I was in the police department (in 2001-2002), we had GPS locators.  We were one of first mass adopters.  Yeah, it sucked for the guys who wanted to hang out at IHOP for their entire shift, but for most of us it was nice to know that dispatch knew where we were at all times.

Later, when I was a medic and on the ambulance, we got GPS location to much complaint from the older guys that didn't understand it, but for most of us it was just a thing.  Sure, the Chief would get a little pissy if you sat outside a location after a treat-and-release situation so you could do your refusal paperwork (rather than going back to your station first), but other than that it really didn't effect us outside of dispatch knowing what unit was closest and best equipped for the call at hand.  Couldn't complain.
 
2013-02-23 04:09:45 AM  
WTF is it with this town? Link
 
2013-02-23 04:11:56 AM  
So it's a change-of-work-conditions issue which is almost resolved? And it's not costing the public a cent? Why is this a story?
 
2013-02-23 04:15:17 AM  

NorCalLos: I know the donut shop is the stereotype, but I always see them at Starbuck's and Chipotle and they never appreciate it when I ask if they can say something to the people parked in the yellow zone.


Donuts became the defacto food of choice around the same time as radios became standard in cars.  Before the radio, a lot if not most police had a foot beat, with strategically placed phones to call the station for backup if needed.  If they wanted to eat, they'd stop and get a sandwich.  But once as portable radios became a thing and cities realized you could have one officer in a car cover a lot bigger area (thus hiring less people), they spent most of their time in their vehicle.

And you know what's great to eat when you spend all day in a car?  Something that doesn't require refrigeration and goes great with the coffee you're drinking to keep you awake through a long shift?  Something you can eat with one hand while driving?

That said, when I was in the academy, our lead training officer told us one day...

"Look, guys, I love an eclair as much as the next guy.  Everyone loves donuts.  But when you're on duty, say no.  Pretend you HATE donuts.  Because I guarantee the very second you pick up that delicious powered sugar covered Bavarian cream, someone is going to snap a picture and you're going to end up an internet joke."
 
2013-02-23 04:25:26 AM  

ReapTheChaos: This is why unions need to go away, they're nothing but a remnant of a bygone era. It's not the 1920s anymore, we have more than enough laws on the books to protect workers from unfair/unsafe labor practices and courts to take care of any problems that arise.


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2013-02-23 04:27:36 AM  

Notabunny: So it's a change-of-work-conditions issue which is almost resolved? And it's not costing the public a cent? Why is this a story?


Because it involves cops who, as we know, are the most corrupt people in the world.

Actually, I don't understand the objection to having GPS in police cars. It's been great in my agency. The dispatchers always know where you are, and more than a few times cops have called for  help and haven't had time to give their location. GPS got help to them. I still, however,  find it rather disconcerting when a dispatcher calls you and tells you they're getting an alarm from a business you just drove past.
 
2013-02-23 04:35:40 AM  

CruiserTwelve: Actually, I don't understand the objection to having GPS in police cars. It's been great in my agency. The dispatchers always know where you are, and more than a few times cops have called for  help and haven't had time to give their location. GPS got help to them. I still, however,  find it rather disconcerting when a dispatcher calls you and tells you they're getting an alarm from a business you just drove past.


I've had that before, as well as on the ambulance.  My favorite:

"Unit 925, this is dispatch."

"This is 925, go ahead dispatch."

"We just got a call from the Target on Lynnhaven Dr.  you just passed.  A 38 year old woman claims she ran after you as you drove by, trying to flag you down.  Subject says she is having a heart attack."

"Come again, dispatch?  You say she is running after our ambulance, and that  she is currently, as we speak, having a heart attack?"

"That is correct, 925.  She says she can see you right now, and seems agitated.  Shall I mark you enroute or onscene?"

"Um, either is fine, I guess."
 
2013-02-23 04:45:14 AM  
After police in my town were found asleep in cruisers multiple times the Chief made sure all the new squad cars have pitch black tint windows.
 
2013-02-23 04:51:09 AM  

relcec: bullshiat like this only serves reinforce my disapprobation for public unions, especially of police unions.

/I'd support a constitutional amendment that guaranteed the right to form a public union and collectively bargain against the people as long as it simultaneously prohibited the formation of police unions.


Screw that. All citizens should have the right to form any kind of union they find necessary. Otherwise, big corporations, or those who have power will be sucking every dollar they can out of the labor force... wait, they already do that. Never mind. Carry on with your rhetoric.
 
2013-02-23 04:54:31 AM  

CruiserTwelve: Notabunny: So it's a change-of-work-conditions issue which is almost resolved? And it's not costing the public a cent? Why is this a story?

Because it involves cops who, as we know, are the most corrupt people in the world.

Actually, I don't understand the objection to having GPS in police cars. It's been great in my agency. The dispatchers always know where you are, and more than a few times cops have called for  help and haven't had time to give their location. GPS got help to them. I still, however,  find it rather disconcerting when a dispatcher calls you and tells you they're getting an alarm from a business you just drove past.


It doesn't sound like they're objecting to using GPS for safety, but rather they're objecting to using GPS for discipline. If the City want's to stick to its argument that the GPS is for safety only, this issue could have been resolved in about 5 seconds.
 
2013-02-23 05:04:50 AM  

Notabunny: CruiserTwelve: Notabunny: So it's a change-of-work-conditions issue which is almost resolved? And it's not costing the public a cent? Why is this a story?

Because it involves cops who, as we know, are the most corrupt people in the world.

Actually, I don't understand the objection to having GPS in police cars. It's been great in my agency. The dispatchers always know where you are, and more than a few times cops have called for  help and haven't had time to give their location. GPS got help to them. I still, however,  find it rather disconcerting when a dispatcher calls you and tells you they're getting an alarm from a business you just drove past.

It doesn't sound like they're objecting to using GPS for safety, but rather they're objecting to using GPS for discipline. If the City want's to stick to its argument that the GPS is for safety only, this issue could have been resolved in about 5 seconds.


God forbid public servants are tracked like regular private sector employees.  The horror!

It's not like we're paying for them or anything.
 
2013-02-23 05:12:22 AM  

Notabunny: So it's a change-of-work-conditions issue which is almost resolved? And it's not costing the public a cent? Why is this a story?


There is the opportunity costs of the various resources.
 
2013-02-23 05:20:47 AM  

Lsherm: Notabunny: CruiserTwelve: Notabunny: So it's a change-of-work-conditions issue which is almost resolved? And it's not costing the public a cent? Why is this a story?

Because it involves cops who, as we know, are the most corrupt people in the world.

Actually, I don't understand the objection to having GPS in police cars. It's been great in my agency. The dispatchers always know where you are, and more than a few times cops have called for  help and haven't had time to give their location. GPS got help to them. I still, however,  find it rather disconcerting when a dispatcher calls you and tells you they're getting an alarm from a business you just drove past.

It doesn't sound like they're objecting to using GPS for safety, but rather they're objecting to using GPS for discipline. If the City want's to stick to its argument that the GPS is for safety only, this issue could have been resolved in about 5 seconds.

God forbid public servants are tracked like regular private sector employees.  The horror!

It's not like we're paying for them or anything.


In case you've never worked under a contract, changes in the contract need to be negotiated and agreed to.
 
2013-02-23 05:25:21 AM  

NameDot: Notabunny: So it's a change-of-work-conditions issue which is almost resolved? And it's not costing the public a cent? Why is this a story?

There is the opportunity costs of the various resources.


I guess I don't understand. Would you provide a couple examples, please?
 
2013-02-23 05:28:17 AM  
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We deserve special treament.
We work in the most dangerous profession.

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2013-02-23 05:43:18 AM  

feckingmorons: What are they doing on the taxpayer's time that should not be tracked by GPS. If you're at home for half the day it should be used for discipline.

If they're not doing anything wrong what are they afraid of? Don't cops like that line?


Of course, Citizen, if you're doing nothing wrong you won't object to us monitoring everything you do on the Internet and tracking your car without a warrant. Now stop questioning your leaders and go back to work. Recording where state security agents go is a threat to national security.

<southpark>This is how authoritarians actually think</southpark>
 
2013-02-23 05:45:03 AM  
What a quandry for Fark Progressives They are faced hypocritical love of government and their hatred of law enforcement at the same time with their love of unions
 
2013-02-23 05:47:06 AM  
More evidence on why government employees should not be allowed to have unions.
 
2013-02-23 05:47:13 AM  

Notabunny: CruiserTwelve: Notabunny: So it's a change-of-work-conditions issue which is almost resolved? And it's not costing the public a cent? Why is this a story?

Because it involves cops who, as we know, are the most corrupt people in the world.

Actually, I don't understand the objection to having GPS in police cars. It's been great in my agency. The dispatchers always know where you are, and more than a few times cops have called for  help and haven't had time to give their location. GPS got help to them. I still, however,  find it rather disconcerting when a dispatcher calls you and tells you they're getting an alarm from a business you just drove past.

It doesn't sound like they're objecting to using GPS for safety, but rather they're objecting to using GPS for discipline. If the City want's to stick to its argument that the GPS is for safety only, this issue could have been resolved in about 5 seconds.


It is funny in the article where they quote the guy saying it's not going to be used for discipline unless they aren't where they are supposed to be, so basically it is going to be used for discipline.

However I don't have a problem with this. In most any other job I would say this is not good management, but when it comes to managing authority they should be kept on a short leash.
 
2013-02-23 05:48:54 AM  

doglover: feckingmorons: What are they doing on the taxpayer's time that should not be tracked by GPS.

I'm more of the opinion WHY ARE YOU WASTING $50,000 tax dollars to build a GPS tracking system. There's uninsured people out there. WTF. This could all be helping people a person pay some medical bills.


FTFY
 
2013-02-23 05:51:31 AM  

hasty ambush: What a quandry for Fark Progressives They are faced hypocritical love of government and their hatred of law enforcement at the same time with their love of unions


If I was going to build a straw-man I'd call him Fred and put overalls on him and give him a pipe. We'd get along famously.
 
2013-02-23 05:58:37 AM  

ProfessorOhki: Oh, there's car 54.


OK, that's six kinds of awesome.
 
2013-02-23 06:03:27 AM  

Notabunny: Lsherm: Notabunny: CruiserTwelve: Notabunny: So it's a change-of-work-conditions issue which is almost resolved? And it's not costing the public a cent? Why is this a story?

Because it involves cops who, as we know, are the most corrupt people in the world.

Actually, I don't understand the objection to having GPS in police cars. It's been great in my agency. The dispatchers always know where you are, and more than a few times cops have called for  help and haven't had time to give their location. GPS got help to them. I still, however,  find it rather disconcerting when a dispatcher calls you and tells you they're getting an alarm from a business you just drove past.

It doesn't sound like they're objecting to using GPS for safety, but rather they're objecting to using GPS for discipline. If the City want's to stick to its argument that the GPS is for safety only, this issue could have been resolved in about 5 seconds.

God forbid public servants are tracked like regular private sector employees.  The horror!

It's not like we're paying for them or anything.

In case you've never worked under a contract, changes in the contract need to be negotiated and agreed to.


Thanks for bringing that up.  Let me quote the article:

Patrolmen are working on an expired contract.

But really, you just want to excuse accountability.  Just come out and say it.
 
2013-02-23 06:06:51 AM  

doglover: feckingmorons: What are they doing on the taxpayer's time that should not be tracked by GPS.

I'm more of the opinion WHY ARE YOU WASTING $50,000 tax dollars to build a GPS tracking system. There's uninsured people out there. WTF. This could all be helping people pay medical bills.


Because the cops are so corrupt it is the only independent way to make sure they are at least in the right area to do their job.
 
2013-02-23 06:08:04 AM  

namatad: but seriously
all public employees EVERYONE should be GPS monitored 24hrs a day.
it would be great for solving a ton of crimes


Nobody should be exempt. You get government services too, you should be monitored.
 
2013-02-23 06:09:34 AM  

special20: relcec: bullshiat like this only serves reinforce my disapprobation for public unions, especially of police unions.

/I'd support a constitutional amendment that guaranteed the right to form a public union and collectively bargain against the people as long as it simultaneously prohibited the formation of police unions.

Screw that. All citizens should have the right to form any kind of union they find necessary. Otherwise, big corporations, or those who have power will be sucking every dollar they can out of the labor force... wait, they already do that. Never mind. Carry on with your rhetoric.



Government employee unions are not fighting against  big corproations they are fighting against us-the tax payers.  They are nto serrving our interest but their own.  The overly generous copensation they receive  (just looking at the large pension debt many cities and states face with those 90% pensions) and the poor job they do in return (look at public schools, corrupt police etc) shows that the intersts of government employees  unions  and thos ethey are supposed to serrve, the taxpayers, are seldom the same.

www.blogginginamerica.com

"... Meticulous attention should be paid to the special relationships and obligations of public servants to the public itself and to the government. All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service. It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations ... The very nature and purposes of Government make it impossible for ... officials ... to bind the employer ... The employer is the whole people, who speak by means of laws enacted by their representatives ... " FDR to the president of the National Federation of Federal Employees in 1937


At one time when government employee pay was low reltively genreous benefits and job security were a way to offset the low pay.  Now the pay is comparable to the private sector and the benefits (ie pensions) are exorbitant.

Part of the problem is the ability of unions to funnel money and manpower into the poltical campaigns of those who they will negotiating their next contract with.

Private sector unions do not have the advatage of that sort of legalized criminal behavior.  While private secotr unosn can and should be albe to cntribute to potical campaings they are nto able to elect the leadership of the companies they negotiate with.
 
2013-02-23 06:11:07 AM  

Notabunny: So it's a change-of-work-conditions issue which is almost resolved? And it's not costing the public a cent? Why is this a story?


Unless the GPS unit is on the officer, it isn't a change of condition, and is no legitimate concern of a union IMHO.
 
2013-02-23 06:14:36 AM  

CruiserTwelve: Notabunny: So it's a change-of-work-conditions issue which is almost resolved? And it's not costing the public a cent? Why is this a story?

Because it involves cops who, as we know, are the most corrupt people in the world.

Actually, I don't understand the objection to having GPS in police cars. It's been great in my agency. The dispatchers always know where you are, and more than a few times cops have called for  help and haven't had time to give their location. GPS got help to them. I still, however,  find it rather disconcerting when a dispatcher calls you and tells you they're getting an alarm from a business you just drove past.


It is a news story because the only concern from having them is that it will show cops are lying not doing their job. And the union is more concerned about that then the benefit it will have to citizens and cops who are in actual danger.
 
2013-02-23 06:17:22 AM  

Lsherm: Notabunny: Lsherm: Notabunny: CruiserTwelve: Notabunny: So it's a change-of-work-conditions issue which is almost resolved? And it's not costing the public a cent? Why is this a story?

Because it involves cops who, as we know, are the most corrupt people in the world.

Actually, I don't understand the objection to having GPS in police cars. It's been great in my agency. The dispatchers always know where you are, and more than a few times cops have called for  help and haven't had time to give their location. GPS got help to them. I still, however,  find it rather disconcerting when a dispatcher calls you and tells you they're getting an alarm from a business you just drove past.

It doesn't sound like they're objecting to using GPS for safety, but rather they're objecting to using GPS for discipline. If the City want's to stick to its argument that the GPS is for safety only, this issue could have been resolved in about 5 seconds.

God forbid public servants are tracked like regular private sector employees.  The horror!

It's not like we're paying for them or anything.

In case you've never worked under a contract, changes in the contract need to be negotiated and agreed to.

Thanks for bringing that up.  Let me quote the article:

Patrolmen are working on an expired contract.

But really, you just want to excuse accountability.  Just come out and say it.


Unions are adverse to the concept of accountability, at least for their members..  Look at teacher's unions
 
2013-02-23 06:21:51 AM  

Lsherm: Notabunny: Lsherm: Notabunny: CruiserTwelve: Notabunny: So it's a change-of-work-conditions issue which is almost resolved? And it's not costing the public a cent? Why is this a story?

Because it involves cops who, as we know, are the most corrupt people in the world.

Actually, I don't understand the objection to having GPS in police cars. It's been great in my agency. The dispatchers always know where you are, and more than a few times cops have called for  help and haven't had time to give their location. GPS got help to them. I still, however,  find it rather disconcerting when a dispatcher calls you and tells you they're getting an alarm from a business you just drove past.

It doesn't sound like they're objecting to using GPS for safety, but rather they're objecting to using GPS for discipline. If the City want's to stick to its argument that the GPS is for safety only, this issue could have been resolved in about 5 seconds.

God forbid public servants are tracked like regular private sector employees.  The horror!

It's not like we're paying for them or anything.

In case you've never worked under a contract, changes in the contract need to be negotiated and agreed to.

Thanks for bringing that up.  Let me quote the article:

Patrolmen are working on an expired contract.

But really, you just want to excuse accountability.  Just come out and say it.


You are mistaken if you believe an expired contract means work conditions can be unilaterally and permanently imposed. They are in the midst of negotiations, and this is just one of the issues being discussed.
 
2013-02-23 06:23:02 AM  

liam76: Notabunny: So it's a change-of-work-conditions issue which is almost resolved? And it's not costing the public a cent? Why is this a story?

Unless the GPS unit is on the officer, it isn't a change of condition, and is no legitimate concern of a union IMHO.


The officers, the dispatchers, and the City disagree with you.
 
2013-02-23 06:24:00 AM  

ghare: namatad: but seriously
all public employees EVERYONE should be GPS monitored 24hrs a day.
it would be great for solving a ton of crimes

Nobody should be exempt. You get government services too, you should be monitored.


There is a difference, a big difference, between those who pay for those services (called tax payers) and those who are supposed to provide them (called public servants).

GPS tracking of employees is not that big of a deal:

marketplayground.com
 
2013-02-23 06:24:38 AM  

KrispyKritter: After police in my town were found asleep in cruisers multiple times the Chief made sure all the new squad cars have pitch black tint windows.


They should be sleeping so they won't bother the hard working people paying them.
 
2013-02-23 06:27:08 AM  

ghare: namatad: but seriously
all public employees EVERYONE should be GPS monitored 24hrs a day.
it would be great for solving a ton of crimes

Nobody should be exempt. You get government services too, you should be monitored.


Quickly amended to only those receiving government assistance.  Because not a politician in the world would vote to be monitored himself, nor would his owners allow it to happen to them.
 
2013-02-23 06:32:32 AM  

Deep Contact: KrispyKritter: After police in my town were found asleep in cruisers multiple times the Chief made sure all the new squad cars have pitch black tint windows.

They should be sleeping so they won't bother the hard working people paying them.


So there is an upside.

Something, something, Somalian utopia, something
 
2013-02-23 06:40:10 AM  

hasty ambush: ghare: namatad: but seriously
all public employees EVERYONE should be GPS monitored 24hrs a day.
it would be great for solving a ton of crimes

Nobody should be exempt. You get government services too, you should be monitored.

There is a difference, a big difference, between those who pay for those services (called tax payers) and those who are supposed to provide them (called public servants).

GPS tracking of employees is not that big of a deal:

[marketplayground.com image 300x359]


You receive government services. I pay taxes. You should be tracked.
 
2013-02-23 06:43:08 AM  

Notabunny: liam76: Notabunny: So it's a change-of-work-conditions issue which is almost resolved? And it's not costing the public a cent? Why is this a story?

Unless the GPS unit is on the officer, it isn't a change of condition, and is no legitimate concern of a union IMHO.

The officers, the dispatchers, and the City disagree with you.


The city is afraid of the fight.

It may be covered in the contract, and I that case the city signed a very stupid contract. The union shouldn't be allowed to say no to equipment that will protect citizens, good cops, and help stop bad cops from ripping the taxpayers off.
 
2013-02-23 06:44:55 AM  
hasty ambush: ..At one time when government employee pay was low reltively genreous benefits and job security were a way to offset the low pay.  Now the pay is comparable to the private sector ...

So...Private sector unions have been destroyed, so private wages and benefits have been reduced and reduced and reduced to the point where they are no longer as good as shiatty government pay and benefits, so you want to reduce those benefits and pay too, instead of getting your pay back. Let me guess, taxes need to be reduced on the wealthiest so they'll create jobs, right?
 
2013-02-23 06:47:02 AM  

ghare: hasty ambush: ghare: namatad: but seriously
all public employees EVERYONE should be GPS monitored 24hrs a day.
it would be great for solving a ton of crimes

Nobody should be exempt. You get government services too, you should be monitored.

There is a difference, a big difference, between those who pay for those services (called tax payers) and those who are supposed to provide them (called public servants).

GPS tracking of employees is not that big of a deal:

[marketplayground.com image 300x359]

You receive government services. I pay taxes. You should be tracked.


It takes a lot of stupidity to think tracking someone receiving govt services and actually tracking govt property (cars) while people are being paid to use them in a specific way.

But that is nothing new to arguments supporting police unions taking measures that hurt the public, good cops, and help bad cops.
 
2013-02-23 06:49:18 AM  

ReapTheChaos: his is why unions need to go away, they're nothing but a remnant of a bygone era. It's not the 1920s anymore, we have more than enough laws on the books to protect workers from unfair/unsafe labor practices and courts to take care of any problems that arise.


Bygone era? Have large corporations which represent investors and management interest disappeared? Who represents labor in this country without organization, especially if you are not high skilled labor with valuable portable skills?
 
2013-02-23 06:51:26 AM  

liam76: Notabunny: liam76: Notabunny: So it's a change-of-work-conditions issue which is almost resolved? And it's not costing the public a cent? Why is this a story?

Unless the GPS unit is on the officer, it isn't a change of condition, and is no legitimate concern of a union IMHO.

The officers, the dispatchers, and the City disagree with you.

The city is afraid of the fight.

It may be covered in the contract, and I that case the city signed a very stupid contract. The union shouldn't be allowed to say no to equipment that will protect citizens, good cops, and help stop bad cops from ripping the taxpayers off.


It's not in the contract. That's what they're negotiating right now. If it was just to be used for safety, I don't guess anybody would have objected. But the City wants to use it for disciplining officers and dispatchers, so they get to negotiate the change in work conditions.
 
2013-02-23 07:12:49 AM  

Notabunny: liam76: Notabunny: liam76: Notabunny: So it's a change-of-work-conditions issue which is almost resolved? And it's not costing the public a cent? Why is this a story?

Unless the GPS unit is on the officer, it isn't a change of condition, and is no legitimate concern of a union IMHO.

The officers, the dispatchers, and the City disagree with you.

The city is afraid of the fight.

It may be covered in the contract, and I that case the city signed a very stupid contract. The union shouldn't be allowed to say no to equipment that will protect citizens, good cops, and help stop bad cops from ripping the taxpayers off.

It's not in the contract. That's what they're negotiating right now. If it was just to be used for safety, I don't guess anybody would have objected. But the City wants to use it for disciplining officers and dispatchers, so they get to negotiate the change in work conditions.


My point is there should be no need for it in the contract. A person no longer being able to lie about where they are isn't a change in working conditions.

Police unions have far too much power if they can stop or slow down a program that will help the public, help good cops and make it harder for bad cops to rip people off.
 
2013-02-23 07:20:40 AM  
I dont understand how these unions get so powerful anyhow. Start firing people. It gets the rabble in line.
 
2013-02-23 07:23:46 AM  

Alonjar: I dont understand how these unions get so powerful anyhow. Start firing people. It gets the rabble in line.




... and then go tell the union to fark off too. Its worked for everyone in the US except Detroit, because the mob kills anyone who fights the unions there.
 
2013-02-23 07:25:23 AM  

Alonjar: ... and then go tell the union to fark off too. Its worked for everyone in the US except Detroit, because the mob kills anyone who fights the unions there.


Being from there, I can attest that you have no farking idea what you're talking about.
 
2013-02-23 07:28:27 AM  

liam76: Notabunny: liam76: Notabunny: liam76: Notabunny: So it's a change-of-work-conditions issue which is almost resolved? And it's not costing the public a cent? Why is this a story?

Unless the GPS unit is on the officer, it isn't a change of condition, and is no legitimate concern of a union IMHO.

The officers, the dispatchers, and the City disagree with you.

The city is afraid of the fight.

It may be covered in the contract, and I that case the city signed a very stupid contract. The union shouldn't be allowed to say no to equipment that will protect citizens, good cops, and help stop bad cops from ripping the taxpayers off.

It's not in the contract. That's what they're negotiating right now. If it was just to be used for safety, I don't guess anybody would have objected. But the City wants to use it for disciplining officers and dispatchers, so they get to negotiate the change in work conditions.

My point is there should be no need for it in the contract. A person no longer being able to lie about where they are isn't a change in working conditions.

Police unions have far too much power if they can stop or slow down a program that will help the public, help good cops and make it harder for bad cops to rip people off.


You are assuming "pure intentions" at all times by those in charge - and again I doubt anyone is arguing that cops should be able to sleep in a parking lot for their entire shift - but the reason they want protections in the contract are for those rare instances when someone with too much power finds a means to get even with people they think have wronged them.

"Officer Smith - you took Lakeway to Main to get back to station when everyone knows 5th to Main is 12 seconds faster.... so I'm going to go ahead and reassign you to third shift...."

Politicians, supervisors, uptight "I'm too important to follow rules" citizens all occasionally have the opportunity to take a run at a public servant for doing their job.  No one wants to find their career flushed down the toilet because Mrs. Rich-political-donor-stick-up-her-ass thought you should have arrived 20 seconds sooner to hear her complaint about the brie being served at the wrong temperature.  And if you honestly believe that stuff like that doesn't happen about a thousand times a day in this country you are delusional.
 
2013-02-23 07:44:23 AM  
Police and politicians both hate the same thing:  accountability.
 
2013-02-23 07:47:41 AM  

bingo the psych-o: Police and politicians both hate the same thing:  accountability.


If you complain, they send a guy named Lou out to see you.
 
2013-02-23 07:57:00 AM  

doglover: feckingmorons: What are they doing on the taxpayer's time that should not be tracked by GPS.

I'm more of the opinion WHY ARE YOU WASTING $50,000 tax dollars to build a GPS tracking system. There's uninsured people out there. WTF. This could all be helping people pay medical bills.



Or people could be held accountable for their lives. Our government spends more than enough money on health care for fully baled people.
 
2013-02-23 08:16:09 AM  

nmemkha: Ever notice how when Conservatives go after unions, they always exempt police and fire? If they really want to end corruption then why do they consistently exempt two of the most corrupt public worker unions from any "reforms"?


Because liberals do what obama did just last week and parade them around as campaign tools. Liberals decry rape increases like Biden did last year if spending or enforcement is changed. Liberal voters are frightened children who fall for it.
 
2013-02-23 08:21:27 AM  

hasty ambush: They are faced hypocritical love of government


Let me stop you right there. Can you find me one example of anyone on this site proclaiming love for the government, ever?
 
2013-02-23 08:27:39 AM  

martissimo: doglover: feckingmorons: What are they doing on the taxpayer's time that should not be tracked by GPS.

I'm more of the opinion WHY ARE YOU WASTING $50,000 tax dollars to build a GPS tracking system. There's uninsured people out there. WTF. This could all be helping people pay medical bills.

RTFA man, not a cent of the taxpayers money is being spent on this shiat, they stole this cash from people who had a bag of pot in their car you frigging moron!


Hmm, I didn't even think a bag of pot was needed to trigger the theft.
 
2013-02-23 08:30:41 AM  
Two legs good, two non-GPS'ed legs better!
 
2013-02-23 08:40:50 AM  

Fizpez: liam76: Notabunny: liam76: Notabunny: liam76: Notabunny: So it's a change-of-work-conditions issue which is almost resolved? And it's not costing the public a cent? Why is this a story?

Unless the GPS unit is on the officer, it isn't a change of condition, and is no legitimate concern of a union IMHO.

The officers, the dispatchers, and the City disagree with you.

The city is afraid of the fight.

It may be covered in the contract, and I that case the city signed a very stupid contract. The union shouldn't be allowed to say no to equipment that will protect citizens, good cops, and help stop bad cops from ripping the taxpayers off.

It's not in the contract. That's what they're negotiating right now. If it was just to be used for safety, I don't guess anybody would have objected. But the City wants to use it for disciplining officers and dispatchers, so they get to negotiate the change in work conditions.

My point is there should be no need for it in the contract. A person no longer being able to lie about where they are isn't a change in working conditions.

Police unions have far too much power if they can stop or slow down a program that will help the public, help good cops and make it harder for bad cops to rip people off.

You are assuming "pure intentions" at all times by those in charge - and again I doubt anyone is arguing that cops should be able to sleep in a parking lot for their entire shift - but the reason they want protections in the contract are for those rare instances when someone with too much power finds a means to get even with people they think have wronged them.

"Officer Smith - you took Lakeway to Main to get back to station when everyone knows 5th to Main is 12 seconds faster.... so I'm going to go ahead and reassign you to third shift...."

Politicians, supervisors, uptight "I'm too important to follow rules" citizens all occasionally have the opportunity to take a run at a public servant for doing their job.  No one wants to find their ...


No, Officer Smith is afraid that Mr. Citizen is going to wonder why the fark every police car is driving 80-90 MPH on a 55 MPH road when there wasn't any emergency.
 
2013-02-23 08:42:15 AM  

Mentalpatient87: hasty ambush: They are faced hypocritical love of government

Let me stop you right there. Can you find me one example of anyone on this site proclaiming love for the government, ever?


DamnYankees, GAT_00.   For non-trolls, they are the ones that jump to mind.
 
2013-02-23 08:58:14 AM  

special20: relcec: bullshiat like this only serves reinforce my disapprobation for public unions, especially of police unions.

/I'd support a constitutional amendment that guaranteed the right to form a public union and collectively bargain against the people as long as it simultaneously prohibited the formation of police unions.

Screw that. All citizens should have the right to form any kind of union they find necessary. Otherwise, big corporations, or those who have power will be sucking every dollar they can out of the labor force... wait, they already do that. Never mind. Carry on with your rhetoric.


Those who have power... like the voting citizens of Lowell?
 
2013-02-23 09:04:08 AM  
Just implant the chips already....
 
2013-02-23 09:29:04 AM  

kim jong-un: Fizpez: liam76: Notabunny: liam76: Notabunny: liam76: Notabunny: So it's a change-of-work-conditions issue which is almost resolved? And it's not costing the public a cent? Why is this a story?

Unless the GPS unit is on the officer, it isn't a change of condition, and is no legitimate concern of a union IMHO.

The officers, the dispatchers, and the City disagree with you.

The city is afraid of the fight.

It may be covered in the contract, and I that case the city signed a very stupid contract. The union shouldn't be allowed to say no to equipment that will protect citizens, good cops, and help stop bad cops from ripping the taxpayers off.

It's not in the contract. That's what they're negotiating right now. If it was just to be used for safety, I don't guess anybody would have objected. But the City wants to use it for disciplining officers and dispatchers, so they get to negotiate the change in work conditions.

My point is there should be no need for it in the contract. A person no longer being able to lie about where they are isn't a change in working conditions.

Police unions have far too much power if they can stop or slow down a program that will help the public, help good cops and make it harder for bad cops to rip people off.

You are assuming "pure intentions" at all times by those in charge - and again I doubt anyone is arguing that cops should be able to sleep in a parking lot for their entire shift - but the reason they want protections in the contract are for those rare instances when someone with too much power finds a means to get even with people they think have wronged them.

"Officer Smith - you took Lakeway to Main to get back to station when everyone knows 5th to Main is 12 seconds faster.... so I'm going to go ahead and reassign you to third shift...."

Politicians, supervisors, uptight "I'm too important to follow rules" citizens all occasionally have the opportunity to take a run at a public servant for doing their job.  No one wants to fi ...


Fizpez, that doesn't pass the sniff test.  Police unions already prevent them from being punished for things like that.

Kim is right.  This is so they can park and sleep, speed (with no emergency), run errands, and otherwise screw over taxpayers and not get caught.
 
2013-02-23 09:49:35 AM  
Wow, we have a Lowell MA trifecta in play.
 
2013-02-23 10:32:49 AM  
Oh, fine. As long as we can still fark over public school teachers and factory workers.
 
2013-02-23 11:32:26 AM  
Just turn it on and tell the union "tough shiat"...
 
2013-02-23 12:23:03 PM  

kim jong-un: Mentalpatient87: hasty ambush: They are faced hypocritical love of government

Let me stop you right there. Can you find me one example of anyone on this site proclaiming love for the government, ever?

DamnYankees, GAT_00.   For non-trolls, they are the ones that jump to mind.


Wait a minute, you didn't know that GAT is a troll?
 
2013-02-23 01:28:45 PM  
Maybe they could have spent that stolen $50k on something, like, I dunno, a snowplow driver that's not an asshole?

Just sayin'.
 
2013-02-23 02:10:39 PM  
 
2013-02-23 02:15:32 PM  

kim jong-un: martissimo: doglover: feckingmorons: What are they doing on the taxpayer's time that should not be tracked by GPS.

I'm more of the opinion WHY ARE YOU WASTING $50,000 tax dollars to build a GPS tracking system. There's uninsured people out there. WTF. This could all be helping people pay medical bills.

RTFA man, not a cent of the taxpayers money is being spent on this shiat, they stole this cash from people who had a bag of pot in their car you frigging moron!

Hmm, I didn't even think a bag of pot was needed to trigger the theft.


You guys need to research seizure laws.
 
2013-02-23 04:02:29 PM  

CruiserTwelve: kim jong-un: martissimo: doglover: feckingmorons: What are they doing on the taxpayer's time that should not be tracked by GPS.

I'm more of the opinion WHY ARE YOU WASTING $50,000 tax dollars to build a GPS tracking system. There's uninsured people out there. WTF. This could all be helping people pay medical bills.

RTFA man, not a cent of the taxpayers money is being spent on this shiat, they stole this cash from people who had a bag of pot in their car you frigging moron!

Hmm, I didn't even think a bag of pot was needed to trigger the theft.

You guys need to research seizure laws.


I can't speak for those two (who are engaged in a bit of hyperbole, I admit) but I'm pretty well-versed in drug-related seizure laws and I've got to say they are pretty much without exception complete and utter bullsh*t amounting to nothing more than gross and intentional side-steps of due process.
 
2013-02-23 06:21:38 PM  

Notabunny: CruiserTwelve: Notabunny: So it's a change-of-work-conditions issue which is almost resolved? And it's not costing the public a cent? Why is this a story?

Because it involves cops who, as we know, are the most corrupt people in the world.

Actually, I don't understand the objection to having GPS in police cars. It's been great in my agency. The dispatchers always know where you are, and more than a few times cops have called for  help and haven't had time to give their location. GPS got help to them. I still, however,  find it rather disconcerting when a dispatcher calls you and tells you they're getting an alarm from a business you just drove past.

It doesn't sound like they're objecting to using GPS for safety, but rather they're objecting to using GPS for discipline. If the City want's to stick to its argument that the GPS is for safety only, this issue could have been resolved in about 5 seconds.


Discipline is safety.
 
2013-02-23 06:35:31 PM  
When this system finally goes live, someone will hack it and invite the world to view the Marauder's Map of Police Cars.

Or maybe he'll be smart and rent access to it on the down-low.
 
2013-02-24 12:56:40 AM  

ProfessorOhki: Oh, there's car 54.


Nice.
 
2013-02-24 01:56:26 AM  
How is this the unions issue? Trackers are on the CITY'S cars right?
 
2013-02-24 06:20:16 AM  

liam76: This is so they can park and sleep, speed (with no emergency), run errands, and otherwise screw over taxpayers and not get caught.


As a public worker and former union steward, I can unequivocally say that this is EXACTLY what this is about.  Public employee unions are necessary because otherwise, people will be royally farked.  But in the process of that necessity, the unions take it that one step further and try their best to do the farking themselves.

I can't tell you how many times I had to defend a person who was farking around on the job and got what was coming to them, but the union defended them and got them of the hook. But I must say, for all that, there were twice as many times I had to go to the table because my employer tried some bullshiat - salaried people work 9 days on, 1 off; administration rewriting public policy unilaterally to make nepotism/cronyism the order of the day; ignoring protections they agreed to in the contract, etc.
 
2013-02-24 08:32:23 AM  

jaylectricity: Somebody I know drives a school bus in our town. She did her job, picked up and dropped off kids at school. At lunch she goes home, or whatever to wait for the afternoon rides or sometimes she's on-call. She parks her bus in the middle of town, at a gym and goes in to get some cardio.

Some nitwit calls the city asking why they're paying for a city employee to go to the gym.


School bus drivers typically are only paid for their hours driving, I was married to one for 18 years then the midget showed up but that's another story...

AM - High school, elementary then kindergarden picked up at home then dropped off at school. 1.5 hours

Noon - Kindergarden kids picked up at school and brought home, also any early release from school. 1.0 - 2.0 hours.

PM - High school and elementary kids picked up at school and dropped off at home 1.5 hours.
 
2013-02-24 08:42:05 AM  
Unions = worthless in 2013
 
2013-02-24 09:21:52 PM  

ElwoodCuse: ReapTheChaos: This is why unions need to go away, they're nothing but a remnant of a bygone era. It's not the 1920s anymore, we have more than enough laws on the books to protect workers from unfair/unsafe labor practices and courts to take care of any problems that arise.

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encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
 
2013-02-25 07:21:51 AM  

jgetz: Unions = worthless in 2013


We've all but eliminated polio and rubella in the United States.  We should totally stop inoculating against it.  Completely worthless in 2013.  I mean, think about how much of that government vaccine money could go to rich people Job Creators instead.
 
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