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(Lowell Sun)   Lowell, Mass. spent over $50,000 on GPS tracking system for police but won't use it because police have a union   (lowellsun.com) divider line 117
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2013-02-23 04:51:09 AM

relcec: bullshiat like this only serves reinforce my disapprobation for public unions, especially of police unions.

/I'd support a constitutional amendment that guaranteed the right to form a public union and collectively bargain against the people as long as it simultaneously prohibited the formation of police unions.


Screw that. All citizens should have the right to form any kind of union they find necessary. Otherwise, big corporations, or those who have power will be sucking every dollar they can out of the labor force... wait, they already do that. Never mind. Carry on with your rhetoric.
 
2013-02-23 04:54:31 AM

CruiserTwelve: Notabunny: So it's a change-of-work-conditions issue which is almost resolved? And it's not costing the public a cent? Why is this a story?

Because it involves cops who, as we know, are the most corrupt people in the world.

Actually, I don't understand the objection to having GPS in police cars. It's been great in my agency. The dispatchers always know where you are, and more than a few times cops have called for  help and haven't had time to give their location. GPS got help to them. I still, however,  find it rather disconcerting when a dispatcher calls you and tells you they're getting an alarm from a business you just drove past.


It doesn't sound like they're objecting to using GPS for safety, but rather they're objecting to using GPS for discipline. If the City want's to stick to its argument that the GPS is for safety only, this issue could have been resolved in about 5 seconds.
 
2013-02-23 05:04:50 AM

Notabunny: CruiserTwelve: Notabunny: So it's a change-of-work-conditions issue which is almost resolved? And it's not costing the public a cent? Why is this a story?

Because it involves cops who, as we know, are the most corrupt people in the world.

Actually, I don't understand the objection to having GPS in police cars. It's been great in my agency. The dispatchers always know where you are, and more than a few times cops have called for  help and haven't had time to give their location. GPS got help to them. I still, however,  find it rather disconcerting when a dispatcher calls you and tells you they're getting an alarm from a business you just drove past.

It doesn't sound like they're objecting to using GPS for safety, but rather they're objecting to using GPS for discipline. If the City want's to stick to its argument that the GPS is for safety only, this issue could have been resolved in about 5 seconds.


God forbid public servants are tracked like regular private sector employees.  The horror!

It's not like we're paying for them or anything.
 
2013-02-23 05:12:22 AM

Notabunny: So it's a change-of-work-conditions issue which is almost resolved? And it's not costing the public a cent? Why is this a story?


There is the opportunity costs of the various resources.
 
2013-02-23 05:20:47 AM

Lsherm: Notabunny: CruiserTwelve: Notabunny: So it's a change-of-work-conditions issue which is almost resolved? And it's not costing the public a cent? Why is this a story?

Because it involves cops who, as we know, are the most corrupt people in the world.

Actually, I don't understand the objection to having GPS in police cars. It's been great in my agency. The dispatchers always know where you are, and more than a few times cops have called for  help and haven't had time to give their location. GPS got help to them. I still, however,  find it rather disconcerting when a dispatcher calls you and tells you they're getting an alarm from a business you just drove past.

It doesn't sound like they're objecting to using GPS for safety, but rather they're objecting to using GPS for discipline. If the City want's to stick to its argument that the GPS is for safety only, this issue could have been resolved in about 5 seconds.

God forbid public servants are tracked like regular private sector employees.  The horror!

It's not like we're paying for them or anything.


In case you've never worked under a contract, changes in the contract need to be negotiated and agreed to.
 
2013-02-23 05:25:21 AM

NameDot: Notabunny: So it's a change-of-work-conditions issue which is almost resolved? And it's not costing the public a cent? Why is this a story?

There is the opportunity costs of the various resources.


I guess I don't understand. Would you provide a couple examples, please?
 
2013-02-23 05:28:17 AM
We put our loves on the line for you every day citizen.
We deserve special treament.
We work in the most dangerous profession.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-23 05:43:18 AM

feckingmorons: What are they doing on the taxpayer's time that should not be tracked by GPS. If you're at home for half the day it should be used for discipline.

If they're not doing anything wrong what are they afraid of? Don't cops like that line?


Of course, Citizen, if you're doing nothing wrong you won't object to us monitoring everything you do on the Internet and tracking your car without a warrant. Now stop questioning your leaders and go back to work. Recording where state security agents go is a threat to national security.

<southpark>This is how authoritarians actually think</southpark>
 
2013-02-23 05:45:03 AM
What a quandry for Fark Progressives They are faced hypocritical love of government and their hatred of law enforcement at the same time with their love of unions
 
2013-02-23 05:47:06 AM
More evidence on why government employees should not be allowed to have unions.
 
2013-02-23 05:47:13 AM

Notabunny: CruiserTwelve: Notabunny: So it's a change-of-work-conditions issue which is almost resolved? And it's not costing the public a cent? Why is this a story?

Because it involves cops who, as we know, are the most corrupt people in the world.

Actually, I don't understand the objection to having GPS in police cars. It's been great in my agency. The dispatchers always know where you are, and more than a few times cops have called for  help and haven't had time to give their location. GPS got help to them. I still, however,  find it rather disconcerting when a dispatcher calls you and tells you they're getting an alarm from a business you just drove past.

It doesn't sound like they're objecting to using GPS for safety, but rather they're objecting to using GPS for discipline. If the City want's to stick to its argument that the GPS is for safety only, this issue could have been resolved in about 5 seconds.


It is funny in the article where they quote the guy saying it's not going to be used for discipline unless they aren't where they are supposed to be, so basically it is going to be used for discipline.

However I don't have a problem with this. In most any other job I would say this is not good management, but when it comes to managing authority they should be kept on a short leash.
 
2013-02-23 05:48:54 AM

doglover: feckingmorons: What are they doing on the taxpayer's time that should not be tracked by GPS.

I'm more of the opinion WHY ARE YOU WASTING $50,000 tax dollars to build a GPS tracking system. There's uninsured people out there. WTF. This could all be helping people a person pay some medical bills.


FTFY
 
2013-02-23 05:51:31 AM

hasty ambush: What a quandry for Fark Progressives They are faced hypocritical love of government and their hatred of law enforcement at the same time with their love of unions


If I was going to build a straw-man I'd call him Fred and put overalls on him and give him a pipe. We'd get along famously.
 
2013-02-23 05:58:37 AM

ProfessorOhki: Oh, there's car 54.


OK, that's six kinds of awesome.
 
2013-02-23 06:03:27 AM

Notabunny: Lsherm: Notabunny: CruiserTwelve: Notabunny: So it's a change-of-work-conditions issue which is almost resolved? And it's not costing the public a cent? Why is this a story?

Because it involves cops who, as we know, are the most corrupt people in the world.

Actually, I don't understand the objection to having GPS in police cars. It's been great in my agency. The dispatchers always know where you are, and more than a few times cops have called for  help and haven't had time to give their location. GPS got help to them. I still, however,  find it rather disconcerting when a dispatcher calls you and tells you they're getting an alarm from a business you just drove past.

It doesn't sound like they're objecting to using GPS for safety, but rather they're objecting to using GPS for discipline. If the City want's to stick to its argument that the GPS is for safety only, this issue could have been resolved in about 5 seconds.

God forbid public servants are tracked like regular private sector employees.  The horror!

It's not like we're paying for them or anything.

In case you've never worked under a contract, changes in the contract need to be negotiated and agreed to.


Thanks for bringing that up.  Let me quote the article:

Patrolmen are working on an expired contract.

But really, you just want to excuse accountability.  Just come out and say it.
 
2013-02-23 06:06:51 AM

doglover: feckingmorons: What are they doing on the taxpayer's time that should not be tracked by GPS.

I'm more of the opinion WHY ARE YOU WASTING $50,000 tax dollars to build a GPS tracking system. There's uninsured people out there. WTF. This could all be helping people pay medical bills.


Because the cops are so corrupt it is the only independent way to make sure they are at least in the right area to do their job.
 
2013-02-23 06:08:04 AM

namatad: but seriously
all public employees EVERYONE should be GPS monitored 24hrs a day.
it would be great for solving a ton of crimes


Nobody should be exempt. You get government services too, you should be monitored.
 
2013-02-23 06:09:34 AM

special20: relcec: bullshiat like this only serves reinforce my disapprobation for public unions, especially of police unions.

/I'd support a constitutional amendment that guaranteed the right to form a public union and collectively bargain against the people as long as it simultaneously prohibited the formation of police unions.

Screw that. All citizens should have the right to form any kind of union they find necessary. Otherwise, big corporations, or those who have power will be sucking every dollar they can out of the labor force... wait, they already do that. Never mind. Carry on with your rhetoric.



Government employee unions are not fighting against  big corproations they are fighting against us-the tax payers.  They are nto serrving our interest but their own.  The overly generous copensation they receive  (just looking at the large pension debt many cities and states face with those 90% pensions) and the poor job they do in return (look at public schools, corrupt police etc) shows that the intersts of government employees  unions  and thos ethey are supposed to serrve, the taxpayers, are seldom the same.

www.blogginginamerica.com

"... Meticulous attention should be paid to the special relationships and obligations of public servants to the public itself and to the government. All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service. It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations ... The very nature and purposes of Government make it impossible for ... officials ... to bind the employer ... The employer is the whole people, who speak by means of laws enacted by their representatives ... " FDR to the president of the National Federation of Federal Employees in 1937


At one time when government employee pay was low reltively genreous benefits and job security were a way to offset the low pay.  Now the pay is comparable to the private sector and the benefits (ie pensions) are exorbitant.

Part of the problem is the ability of unions to funnel money and manpower into the poltical campaigns of those who they will negotiating their next contract with.

Private sector unions do not have the advatage of that sort of legalized criminal behavior.  While private secotr unosn can and should be albe to cntribute to potical campaings they are nto able to elect the leadership of the companies they negotiate with.
 
2013-02-23 06:11:07 AM

Notabunny: So it's a change-of-work-conditions issue which is almost resolved? And it's not costing the public a cent? Why is this a story?


Unless the GPS unit is on the officer, it isn't a change of condition, and is no legitimate concern of a union IMHO.
 
2013-02-23 06:14:36 AM

CruiserTwelve: Notabunny: So it's a change-of-work-conditions issue which is almost resolved? And it's not costing the public a cent? Why is this a story?

Because it involves cops who, as we know, are the most corrupt people in the world.

Actually, I don't understand the objection to having GPS in police cars. It's been great in my agency. The dispatchers always know where you are, and more than a few times cops have called for  help and haven't had time to give their location. GPS got help to them. I still, however,  find it rather disconcerting when a dispatcher calls you and tells you they're getting an alarm from a business you just drove past.


It is a news story because the only concern from having them is that it will show cops are lying not doing their job. And the union is more concerned about that then the benefit it will have to citizens and cops who are in actual danger.
 
2013-02-23 06:17:22 AM

Lsherm: Notabunny: Lsherm: Notabunny: CruiserTwelve: Notabunny: So it's a change-of-work-conditions issue which is almost resolved? And it's not costing the public a cent? Why is this a story?

Because it involves cops who, as we know, are the most corrupt people in the world.

Actually, I don't understand the objection to having GPS in police cars. It's been great in my agency. The dispatchers always know where you are, and more than a few times cops have called for  help and haven't had time to give their location. GPS got help to them. I still, however,  find it rather disconcerting when a dispatcher calls you and tells you they're getting an alarm from a business you just drove past.

It doesn't sound like they're objecting to using GPS for safety, but rather they're objecting to using GPS for discipline. If the City want's to stick to its argument that the GPS is for safety only, this issue could have been resolved in about 5 seconds.

God forbid public servants are tracked like regular private sector employees.  The horror!

It's not like we're paying for them or anything.

In case you've never worked under a contract, changes in the contract need to be negotiated and agreed to.

Thanks for bringing that up.  Let me quote the article:

Patrolmen are working on an expired contract.

But really, you just want to excuse accountability.  Just come out and say it.


Unions are adverse to the concept of accountability, at least for their members..  Look at teacher's unions
 
2013-02-23 06:21:51 AM

Lsherm: Notabunny: Lsherm: Notabunny: CruiserTwelve: Notabunny: So it's a change-of-work-conditions issue which is almost resolved? And it's not costing the public a cent? Why is this a story?

Because it involves cops who, as we know, are the most corrupt people in the world.

Actually, I don't understand the objection to having GPS in police cars. It's been great in my agency. The dispatchers always know where you are, and more than a few times cops have called for  help and haven't had time to give their location. GPS got help to them. I still, however,  find it rather disconcerting when a dispatcher calls you and tells you they're getting an alarm from a business you just drove past.

It doesn't sound like they're objecting to using GPS for safety, but rather they're objecting to using GPS for discipline. If the City want's to stick to its argument that the GPS is for safety only, this issue could have been resolved in about 5 seconds.

God forbid public servants are tracked like regular private sector employees.  The horror!

It's not like we're paying for them or anything.

In case you've never worked under a contract, changes in the contract need to be negotiated and agreed to.

Thanks for bringing that up.  Let me quote the article:

Patrolmen are working on an expired contract.

But really, you just want to excuse accountability.  Just come out and say it.


You are mistaken if you believe an expired contract means work conditions can be unilaterally and permanently imposed. They are in the midst of negotiations, and this is just one of the issues being discussed.
 
2013-02-23 06:23:02 AM

liam76: Notabunny: So it's a change-of-work-conditions issue which is almost resolved? And it's not costing the public a cent? Why is this a story?

Unless the GPS unit is on the officer, it isn't a change of condition, and is no legitimate concern of a union IMHO.


The officers, the dispatchers, and the City disagree with you.
 
2013-02-23 06:24:00 AM

ghare: namatad: but seriously
all public employees EVERYONE should be GPS monitored 24hrs a day.
it would be great for solving a ton of crimes

Nobody should be exempt. You get government services too, you should be monitored.


There is a difference, a big difference, between those who pay for those services (called tax payers) and those who are supposed to provide them (called public servants).

GPS tracking of employees is not that big of a deal:

marketplayground.com
 
2013-02-23 06:24:38 AM

KrispyKritter: After police in my town were found asleep in cruisers multiple times the Chief made sure all the new squad cars have pitch black tint windows.


They should be sleeping so they won't bother the hard working people paying them.
 
2013-02-23 06:27:08 AM

ghare: namatad: but seriously
all public employees EVERYONE should be GPS monitored 24hrs a day.
it would be great for solving a ton of crimes

Nobody should be exempt. You get government services too, you should be monitored.


Quickly amended to only those receiving government assistance.  Because not a politician in the world would vote to be monitored himself, nor would his owners allow it to happen to them.
 
2013-02-23 06:32:32 AM

Deep Contact: KrispyKritter: After police in my town were found asleep in cruisers multiple times the Chief made sure all the new squad cars have pitch black tint windows.

They should be sleeping so they won't bother the hard working people paying them.


So there is an upside.

Something, something, Somalian utopia, something
 
2013-02-23 06:40:10 AM

hasty ambush: ghare: namatad: but seriously
all public employees EVERYONE should be GPS monitored 24hrs a day.
it would be great for solving a ton of crimes

Nobody should be exempt. You get government services too, you should be monitored.

There is a difference, a big difference, between those who pay for those services (called tax payers) and those who are supposed to provide them (called public servants).

GPS tracking of employees is not that big of a deal:

[marketplayground.com image 300x359]


You receive government services. I pay taxes. You should be tracked.
 
2013-02-23 06:43:08 AM

Notabunny: liam76: Notabunny: So it's a change-of-work-conditions issue which is almost resolved? And it's not costing the public a cent? Why is this a story?

Unless the GPS unit is on the officer, it isn't a change of condition, and is no legitimate concern of a union IMHO.

The officers, the dispatchers, and the City disagree with you.


The city is afraid of the fight.

It may be covered in the contract, and I that case the city signed a very stupid contract. The union shouldn't be allowed to say no to equipment that will protect citizens, good cops, and help stop bad cops from ripping the taxpayers off.
 
2013-02-23 06:44:55 AM
hasty ambush: ..At one time when government employee pay was low reltively genreous benefits and job security were a way to offset the low pay.  Now the pay is comparable to the private sector ...

So...Private sector unions have been destroyed, so private wages and benefits have been reduced and reduced and reduced to the point where they are no longer as good as shiatty government pay and benefits, so you want to reduce those benefits and pay too, instead of getting your pay back. Let me guess, taxes need to be reduced on the wealthiest so they'll create jobs, right?
 
2013-02-23 06:47:02 AM

ghare: hasty ambush: ghare: namatad: but seriously
all public employees EVERYONE should be GPS monitored 24hrs a day.
it would be great for solving a ton of crimes

Nobody should be exempt. You get government services too, you should be monitored.

There is a difference, a big difference, between those who pay for those services (called tax payers) and those who are supposed to provide them (called public servants).

GPS tracking of employees is not that big of a deal:

[marketplayground.com image 300x359]

You receive government services. I pay taxes. You should be tracked.


It takes a lot of stupidity to think tracking someone receiving govt services and actually tracking govt property (cars) while people are being paid to use them in a specific way.

But that is nothing new to arguments supporting police unions taking measures that hurt the public, good cops, and help bad cops.
 
2013-02-23 06:49:18 AM

ReapTheChaos: his is why unions need to go away, they're nothing but a remnant of a bygone era. It's not the 1920s anymore, we have more than enough laws on the books to protect workers from unfair/unsafe labor practices and courts to take care of any problems that arise.


Bygone era? Have large corporations which represent investors and management interest disappeared? Who represents labor in this country without organization, especially if you are not high skilled labor with valuable portable skills?
 
2013-02-23 06:51:26 AM

liam76: Notabunny: liam76: Notabunny: So it's a change-of-work-conditions issue which is almost resolved? And it's not costing the public a cent? Why is this a story?

Unless the GPS unit is on the officer, it isn't a change of condition, and is no legitimate concern of a union IMHO.

The officers, the dispatchers, and the City disagree with you.

The city is afraid of the fight.

It may be covered in the contract, and I that case the city signed a very stupid contract. The union shouldn't be allowed to say no to equipment that will protect citizens, good cops, and help stop bad cops from ripping the taxpayers off.


It's not in the contract. That's what they're negotiating right now. If it was just to be used for safety, I don't guess anybody would have objected. But the City wants to use it for disciplining officers and dispatchers, so they get to negotiate the change in work conditions.
 
2013-02-23 07:12:49 AM

Notabunny: liam76: Notabunny: liam76: Notabunny: So it's a change-of-work-conditions issue which is almost resolved? And it's not costing the public a cent? Why is this a story?

Unless the GPS unit is on the officer, it isn't a change of condition, and is no legitimate concern of a union IMHO.

The officers, the dispatchers, and the City disagree with you.

The city is afraid of the fight.

It may be covered in the contract, and I that case the city signed a very stupid contract. The union shouldn't be allowed to say no to equipment that will protect citizens, good cops, and help stop bad cops from ripping the taxpayers off.

It's not in the contract. That's what they're negotiating right now. If it was just to be used for safety, I don't guess anybody would have objected. But the City wants to use it for disciplining officers and dispatchers, so they get to negotiate the change in work conditions.


My point is there should be no need for it in the contract. A person no longer being able to lie about where they are isn't a change in working conditions.

Police unions have far too much power if they can stop or slow down a program that will help the public, help good cops and make it harder for bad cops to rip people off.
 
2013-02-23 07:20:40 AM
I dont understand how these unions get so powerful anyhow. Start firing people. It gets the rabble in line.
 
2013-02-23 07:23:46 AM

Alonjar: I dont understand how these unions get so powerful anyhow. Start firing people. It gets the rabble in line.




... and then go tell the union to fark off too. Its worked for everyone in the US except Detroit, because the mob kills anyone who fights the unions there.
 
2013-02-23 07:25:23 AM

Alonjar: ... and then go tell the union to fark off too. Its worked for everyone in the US except Detroit, because the mob kills anyone who fights the unions there.


Being from there, I can attest that you have no farking idea what you're talking about.
 
2013-02-23 07:28:27 AM

liam76: Notabunny: liam76: Notabunny: liam76: Notabunny: So it's a change-of-work-conditions issue which is almost resolved? And it's not costing the public a cent? Why is this a story?

Unless the GPS unit is on the officer, it isn't a change of condition, and is no legitimate concern of a union IMHO.

The officers, the dispatchers, and the City disagree with you.

The city is afraid of the fight.

It may be covered in the contract, and I that case the city signed a very stupid contract. The union shouldn't be allowed to say no to equipment that will protect citizens, good cops, and help stop bad cops from ripping the taxpayers off.

It's not in the contract. That's what they're negotiating right now. If it was just to be used for safety, I don't guess anybody would have objected. But the City wants to use it for disciplining officers and dispatchers, so they get to negotiate the change in work conditions.

My point is there should be no need for it in the contract. A person no longer being able to lie about where they are isn't a change in working conditions.

Police unions have far too much power if they can stop or slow down a program that will help the public, help good cops and make it harder for bad cops to rip people off.


You are assuming "pure intentions" at all times by those in charge - and again I doubt anyone is arguing that cops should be able to sleep in a parking lot for their entire shift - but the reason they want protections in the contract are for those rare instances when someone with too much power finds a means to get even with people they think have wronged them.

"Officer Smith - you took Lakeway to Main to get back to station when everyone knows 5th to Main is 12 seconds faster.... so I'm going to go ahead and reassign you to third shift...."

Politicians, supervisors, uptight "I'm too important to follow rules" citizens all occasionally have the opportunity to take a run at a public servant for doing their job.  No one wants to find their career flushed down the toilet because Mrs. Rich-political-donor-stick-up-her-ass thought you should have arrived 20 seconds sooner to hear her complaint about the brie being served at the wrong temperature.  And if you honestly believe that stuff like that doesn't happen about a thousand times a day in this country you are delusional.
 
2013-02-23 07:44:23 AM
Police and politicians both hate the same thing:  accountability.
 
2013-02-23 07:47:41 AM

bingo the psych-o: Police and politicians both hate the same thing:  accountability.


If you complain, they send a guy named Lou out to see you.
 
2013-02-23 07:57:00 AM

doglover: feckingmorons: What are they doing on the taxpayer's time that should not be tracked by GPS.

I'm more of the opinion WHY ARE YOU WASTING $50,000 tax dollars to build a GPS tracking system. There's uninsured people out there. WTF. This could all be helping people pay medical bills.



Or people could be held accountable for their lives. Our government spends more than enough money on health care for fully baled people.
 
2013-02-23 08:16:09 AM

nmemkha: Ever notice how when Conservatives go after unions, they always exempt police and fire? If they really want to end corruption then why do they consistently exempt two of the most corrupt public worker unions from any "reforms"?


Because liberals do what obama did just last week and parade them around as campaign tools. Liberals decry rape increases like Biden did last year if spending or enforcement is changed. Liberal voters are frightened children who fall for it.
 
2013-02-23 08:21:27 AM

hasty ambush: They are faced hypocritical love of government


Let me stop you right there. Can you find me one example of anyone on this site proclaiming love for the government, ever?
 
2013-02-23 08:27:39 AM

martissimo: doglover: feckingmorons: What are they doing on the taxpayer's time that should not be tracked by GPS.

I'm more of the opinion WHY ARE YOU WASTING $50,000 tax dollars to build a GPS tracking system. There's uninsured people out there. WTF. This could all be helping people pay medical bills.

RTFA man, not a cent of the taxpayers money is being spent on this shiat, they stole this cash from people who had a bag of pot in their car you frigging moron!


Hmm, I didn't even think a bag of pot was needed to trigger the theft.
 
2013-02-23 08:30:41 AM
Two legs good, two non-GPS'ed legs better!
 
2013-02-23 08:40:50 AM

Fizpez: liam76: Notabunny: liam76: Notabunny: liam76: Notabunny: So it's a change-of-work-conditions issue which is almost resolved? And it's not costing the public a cent? Why is this a story?

Unless the GPS unit is on the officer, it isn't a change of condition, and is no legitimate concern of a union IMHO.

The officers, the dispatchers, and the City disagree with you.

The city is afraid of the fight.

It may be covered in the contract, and I that case the city signed a very stupid contract. The union shouldn't be allowed to say no to equipment that will protect citizens, good cops, and help stop bad cops from ripping the taxpayers off.

It's not in the contract. That's what they're negotiating right now. If it was just to be used for safety, I don't guess anybody would have objected. But the City wants to use it for disciplining officers and dispatchers, so they get to negotiate the change in work conditions.

My point is there should be no need for it in the contract. A person no longer being able to lie about where they are isn't a change in working conditions.

Police unions have far too much power if they can stop or slow down a program that will help the public, help good cops and make it harder for bad cops to rip people off.

You are assuming "pure intentions" at all times by those in charge - and again I doubt anyone is arguing that cops should be able to sleep in a parking lot for their entire shift - but the reason they want protections in the contract are for those rare instances when someone with too much power finds a means to get even with people they think have wronged them.

"Officer Smith - you took Lakeway to Main to get back to station when everyone knows 5th to Main is 12 seconds faster.... so I'm going to go ahead and reassign you to third shift...."

Politicians, supervisors, uptight "I'm too important to follow rules" citizens all occasionally have the opportunity to take a run at a public servant for doing their job.  No one wants to find their ...


No, Officer Smith is afraid that Mr. Citizen is going to wonder why the fark every police car is driving 80-90 MPH on a 55 MPH road when there wasn't any emergency.
 
2013-02-23 08:42:15 AM

Mentalpatient87: hasty ambush: They are faced hypocritical love of government

Let me stop you right there. Can you find me one example of anyone on this site proclaiming love for the government, ever?


DamnYankees, GAT_00.   For non-trolls, they are the ones that jump to mind.
 
2013-02-23 08:58:14 AM

special20: relcec: bullshiat like this only serves reinforce my disapprobation for public unions, especially of police unions.

/I'd support a constitutional amendment that guaranteed the right to form a public union and collectively bargain against the people as long as it simultaneously prohibited the formation of police unions.

Screw that. All citizens should have the right to form any kind of union they find necessary. Otherwise, big corporations, or those who have power will be sucking every dollar they can out of the labor force... wait, they already do that. Never mind. Carry on with your rhetoric.


Those who have power... like the voting citizens of Lowell?
 
2013-02-23 09:04:08 AM
Just implant the chips already....
 
2013-02-23 09:29:04 AM

kim jong-un: Fizpez: liam76: Notabunny: liam76: Notabunny: liam76: Notabunny: So it's a change-of-work-conditions issue which is almost resolved? And it's not costing the public a cent? Why is this a story?

Unless the GPS unit is on the officer, it isn't a change of condition, and is no legitimate concern of a union IMHO.

The officers, the dispatchers, and the City disagree with you.

The city is afraid of the fight.

It may be covered in the contract, and I that case the city signed a very stupid contract. The union shouldn't be allowed to say no to equipment that will protect citizens, good cops, and help stop bad cops from ripping the taxpayers off.

It's not in the contract. That's what they're negotiating right now. If it was just to be used for safety, I don't guess anybody would have objected. But the City wants to use it for disciplining officers and dispatchers, so they get to negotiate the change in work conditions.

My point is there should be no need for it in the contract. A person no longer being able to lie about where they are isn't a change in working conditions.

Police unions have far too much power if they can stop or slow down a program that will help the public, help good cops and make it harder for bad cops to rip people off.

You are assuming "pure intentions" at all times by those in charge - and again I doubt anyone is arguing that cops should be able to sleep in a parking lot for their entire shift - but the reason they want protections in the contract are for those rare instances when someone with too much power finds a means to get even with people they think have wronged them.

"Officer Smith - you took Lakeway to Main to get back to station when everyone knows 5th to Main is 12 seconds faster.... so I'm going to go ahead and reassign you to third shift...."

Politicians, supervisors, uptight "I'm too important to follow rules" citizens all occasionally have the opportunity to take a run at a public servant for doing their job.  No one wants to fi ...


Fizpez, that doesn't pass the sniff test.  Police unions already prevent them from being punished for things like that.

Kim is right.  This is so they can park and sleep, speed (with no emergency), run errands, and otherwise screw over taxpayers and not get caught.
 
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