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(Reason Magazine)   Dear Media: Stop mixing up "Preppers" with "Survivalists" we are two very different groups. One group prepares in case of the worst and are sane people and the other are survivalist gun nuts   (reason.com) divider line 97
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2013-02-22 04:45:10 PM
6 votes:
I have a good friend who has over a dozen guns, complete with cases, ammo and cleaning supplies hidden in various places in his apartment. He and his partner have a backpack each with disaster supplies and medicine.

Both of these men would shrivel up and die if they couldn't get takeout sushi, or the bar ran out of bitters. It's....really really weird.
2013-02-22 04:02:15 PM
6 votes:
Preppers are narcissistic idiots.

/and no, I don't mean you, guy who has a few extra cans of food and some batteries. relax.
2013-02-22 05:02:41 PM
5 votes:
While it's true that they're different, a Venn diagram of these two groups would have a lot of overlap.
2013-02-22 04:44:24 PM
5 votes:

what_now: What's the line between "Has a backpack with flashlight and medical supplies, and a weeks worth of canned goods in cupboard" and "collects bags of own poop "?

because there has to be a line, right?


It's the difference between preparing for a sudden, but manageable disaster (fire, tornado, flood, etc.) and preparing for the chaotic collapse of civilization.
2013-02-22 07:07:10 PM
3 votes:
Pretty much any time people have a stupid label for what they do, they are at least a little crazy. I've never heard anyone I know describe themselves as a "prepper" or "survivalist" despite a number of them having some basic sensible disaster preparedness (first aid kit, a bit of food and water, flashlight, etc). There is a real difference between taking basic measures for a disaster that is somewhat likely to happen in your lifetime (hurricane, earthquake, Justin Beiber concert) and stocking up tons of shiat because you think the apocalypse will happen and afterwards it'll be just like Fallout 3.
2013-02-22 06:52:43 PM
3 votes:
When did it become a bad thing to be prepared for natural or man-made disasters? Keeping a lot of food on hand has other benefits, such as cutting down on emergency trips to the store to pick up that one thing you need for a recipe. I am shocked and disheartened by the number of people in this thread who are smug about their day-to-day dependence on the food supply chain and utilities. So smug, in fact, that they are mocking individuals who are trying to ensure they don't have to sit there and watch their family slowly starve to death.

The article seems to making the distinction based on who is prepared to defend their supplies and those who aren't. If you are willing to go through the process of preparing, why not have a gun to give yourself a CHANCE to defend yourself and your family in the event someone wants your stuff? Sure, you probably won't need it. Sure, your resistance may be futile. Would you rather ensure you and your family will be at the mercy of someone else? Why not give yourself a fighting chance?

There are many things that threaten our way of life. You don't have to be paranoid to prepare for a global pandemic that causes a collapse of utilities and the food supply. Everyone was freaking out about the flu, but imagine a virus with no available vaccine and a 50% mortality rate. Such a virus could be one mutation away from becoming a reality. How many people are going to go to the store or two work when they know there's a 50/50 shot they'll die if they get sick? Who's going to keep the lights on? Who's going to keep food in the stores? This is just one scenario.

For those of you who are mocking "preppers", why don't you leave your spare tire at home? After all, what's the chances of you getting a flat tomorrow?
2013-02-22 06:32:52 PM
3 votes:

Securitywyrm: Didn't the United States used to encourage the entire country to be 'preppers' back in the 50's cold war? So if you had a fallout shelter 60 years ago you were a 'well prepared person' and now it makes you a 'crazy paranoid'?


It's a matter of letters: Prep for the USSR, you are a patriot; prep for the USSA, you are a dangerous gun nut.
2013-02-22 05:55:19 PM
3 votes:
I have enough food and water to last me a 2 weeks (not rationing) in case of emergency, 5 weeks if I ration and take in the bare minimum. It is packed in such a way that I can be out of the house within 5 minutes with everything including important documents, camping gear and my guns (taking them just so they are not left behind). I live in earthquake and fire land and have had to evecuate for a fire once. I also have a few survival related items in my truck at all times just in case I get stuck 4 wheeling I can hole up for a couple days. My friends think I am weird, at least they did until all of the power in San Diego and surrounding areas went out for 12 hours about a year and a half ago, I was the only one that had electricity (generator). You can be prepered without being a crackpot.
2013-02-22 04:50:01 PM
3 votes:

Rapmaster2000: I can't wait until the apocalypse finally goes down and I don't have to go to work any more.  Then you'll all be like "Oh, that Rapmaster2000 was right and I'm stupid.  I should have listened to that handsome devil!"


I'm pretty sure I'll be all "braaaaaaains".
2013-02-22 04:40:55 PM
3 votes:
media-2.web.britannica.com

let god sort 'em out.
2013-02-22 07:24:00 PM
2 votes:

ZeroCorpse: I really don't see how being a prepper or survivalist will make a huge difference.


Being prepared for having no power for a few weeks is a more likely scenario. Society has NEVER fallen globally nor permanently.

What you used to get is rape and genocide during a sack of an area. That was usually over quickly(unless you got rapocided) and the new masters set up on top of existing infrastructure and business as usually was back.

Even if the whole US fails, it will be weeks, not years, before we're all back to normal under some new flag. So by prepping you save yourself the need to go out and loot. You can play some dominoes with your buddies, watch a few DVDs with your generator bike, and generally ride out the disasters without noticing.

Also with 100 extra units of things, you can invite your friends over for some relaxation as well.

Back when there was that huge blackout in 2005? me and my buddies were camping. We never noticed.
2013-02-22 07:20:25 PM
2 votes:
I'll admit it, I'm a prepper. I live in what many geologists consider the most dangerous land in the United States, due to the statistical likelihood of living in Mt. Rainier's lahar zone. My city is ringed with air-raid-esk sirens that they test monthly. The area also has an annual GTFO evacuations, to make sure we can get out of the valley within 30 minutes, before a 25' wall of 50mph liquid mud entombs everyone.
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With that very real danger, along with the less likely, but also major consequence event, a Cascadia subduction earthquake, I make sure to have at least a month or two of food on hand at home, my truck fully fueled up, and caches of supplies and food kept at work and the homes of other family members.

I also have pretty serious back-up systems at my house and work (rooftop solar power, batteries + generators), in-case of prolonged outages. if there are fuel shortages, I have an electric car. And *if* there ever any teotwawki event, I could always bailout on my sailboat - which is always ready to cast off. She's got water for weeks, solar panels, an inverter system, and even an electrically powered tender.
2013-02-22 06:59:58 PM
2 votes:
One thing that I wish more people would get into is Community Emergency Response Teams (CERT). It's a US Government/Citizencorps program, designed specifically to get "trained" citizens to be able to communicate, coordinate and help first responders in a time of need.

The classes are excellent, typically taught by your local emergency management and firefighters, and pretty damned cool.

www.keizerfire.com

Our local programs coordinate with the state's fire training center, so we get to experience actual (but simulated) backdraft and flame rollover situations. They train in triage, first-aid, heavy lifting (1-ton "jersey barriers" with prybars and cribbing) building clearing and marking, emergency communications, disaster site mass-casualty setup points, community evacuations, chemical fire/smoke recognition, even optional classes in structural inspections. The shiat is pretty rad, free, and you get to meet all your local first responders. I highly recommend it.
2013-02-22 06:45:34 PM
2 votes:
Since the earthquake in Christchurch here in NZ two years ago, I've made sure to have a few days surplus of bottled water and food available in my pantry, I also have a spade to dig a latrine in the backyard and a tarp to hang up for privacy. I've also got my important documents - insurance, passport and $100 cash in one place and I have purchased a combination wind-up radio/cellphone charger/lantern. I figure that will be enough to get me through until relief arrives in the event of a disaster.

The impression I get is that a lot of preppers actually seem to be rooting for some kind of disaster to happen so they can act out some post-social-collapse fantasy. There's a difference between making a risk assessment and hoping for that kind of massive change in the way people live their lives.
2013-02-22 06:36:19 PM
2 votes:

duenor: Where were nice army reservists where my friends were getting shot at by looters as they were trying to give out supplies in LA?


Have you had your meds checked recently? You seem delusional and prone to make up fantasies and then believe they actually happened.
2013-02-22 06:33:35 PM
2 votes:
Meh, call it what you want... the reality for me is that living in the mountains means being ready for the possibility that (like a few years ago) we'll get 7 feet of snow in 2 days. That means ya, I can catch a rabbit, skin it, and cook it right... it also means that I have plenty of ramen, canned food, and fuel to cook it with, and in a pinch, I could certainly start a fire. The gun isn't so much about hunting for me as it is about the time a large bear jumped off the top of a big trash bin near where I live and scared the piss out of me, or about the numerous times bears have stalked me on the way home, or when I see mountain cats (they're worse than bears, if they decide that they want you, you're pretty well farked). I get that not everyone lives this way (I lived in NYC before here)... but being here, where it's quiet, where I can go find waterfalls in the summer that make my brain feel totally turned off, where I can be alone and not have to see anyone for a week if I so choose... that doesn't make me crazy.
2013-02-22 06:23:34 PM
2 votes:
I live in suburbia, so there's only so much I can prepare for.  I've got the supplies I would need to filter the water in my hot tub.  I've got a vegetable garden (mostly because I like fresh veggies).  I've got 2 months worth of freeze dried food (definitely my most "prepper" like asset) for me, my wife, and our baby boy.

I figure the most insane natural disaster I can be prepared for is at most 2 months (like an earthquake breaking every water line in town, and a flood wiping out the roads.  Anything more serious than that, and you are kidding yourself if you think you're going to be okeedokie and self sufficient.  If something crazy like that were to happen I'd just move back to my Dad's ranch where I was living before I moved into town.  Being a farmer is really the only realistic way to survive something that serious.

That being said, it seems like the people really enthused about preparing for the end are the ones that are not prepared for the present - i.e. impoverished rednecks who are economic failures.  It's like they lost at life, so they make themselves feel better by convincing themselves they're going to be on top when society breaks down.
2013-02-22 06:22:59 PM
2 votes:
We are talking about a spectrum of mental disorders here which mainly fall under paranoid and obsessive-compulsive disorders and magical fetishism.

Survivalists can be distinguished from pure Preppers in their concerns over defense and stockpiling of guns and ammo.

Both often include "hoarding" - where the perceived importance of the hoarded items far exceeds their true value.

Gun Nuts who are not prepping survivalists still fit into this general area as paranoid fetishistic hoarders.
2013-02-22 06:14:06 PM
2 votes:
Unfortunately they're pretty much the same.  A couple of years ago, when I was cleaning out and replenishing my modest emergency supplies, I made contact with some local 'preppers', and it wasn't more than 30 minutes after meeting them in person than the New World Order/anti-Obama shiat-talk started flying.  That was disappointing.  Ever since, every time I've tried to make contact with like-minded/moderate/sane people who just want to discuss a good plan for emergencies, I end up dealing with the same bullshiat mentality.  TL;DR: I haven't seen any evidence that the vast majority of 'preppers' aren't teabagger extremists.
2013-02-22 06:11:17 PM
2 votes:
The one thing preppers and survivalist definitely have in common is that if the shiat really hits the fan, both of them are going to be doing exactly what the nice army reservists with the heavy weapons tell them to do.  Anybody who has survival fantasies where they are on their own for long periods, fighting for their lives, is delusional.
2013-02-22 05:52:45 PM
2 votes:
Whats wrong with planning for you in yours for the case of extreme emergency? How is that crazy?

Having said that there is a limit. I would say if you prepare for more than a month of social breakdown than your wasting your money. And if your really keen on being a survivor, just become a farmer.
2013-02-22 05:44:02 PM
2 votes:
Me and your Mom,
We've been noticing lately you've been having a lot of problems,
And you've been going off for no reason.
And we're afraid you're gonna hurt somebody,
We're afraid you're gonna hurt yourself.
So we decided that it would be in your best interest
If we put you somewhere
Where you could get the help that you need.
2013-02-22 05:03:42 PM
2 votes:

GAT_00: what_now: I have a good friend who has over a dozen guns, complete with cases, ammo and cleaning supplies hidden in various places in his apartment. He and his partner have a backpack each with disaster supplies and medicine.

Both of these men would shrivel up and die if they couldn't get takeout sushi, or the bar ran out of bitters. It's....really really weird.

You can get takeout sushi that is good in Boston? Maybe there is something to living up there. I can barely even get sushi down here


You're wondering if New England has seafood? Really?
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-02-22 04:25:34 PM
2 votes:
That's funny.  As though people didn't know that "Prepper" is just the new politically correct term for survivalist that people started using when survivalists got a reputation for being crazy and shooting people.

Now that people realize that Preppers are just survivalists I wonder what new name they will come up with?
2013-02-23 06:36:44 PM
1 votes:
The rule of thumb for this is pretty much the one you use for any mental illness. Are they causing themselves or others harm? I admit I watched some episodes of Doomsday Preppers but I stopped because it just made me sad. Those people were mentally ill. They were blowing thousands of dollars, sometimes all of their savings, into preparing for an event that probably will never happen. The show was enabling their illness. Their families should have been saying "Look dad, you've spent all our money on bunkers and ammunition that we're never going to use. You need to tone it way down and we'll be glad to get you the help you need." Instead of just shrugging their shoulders and saying "I guess he just wants us to be safe" while muttering under their breath "but it would be nice if we could go on a vacation every once in a while."

Yes, being prepared for an emergency is a good idea. It is just as good and important idea as brushing your teeth. You don't spend all your money on every dental attachment out there. You don't spend your free time daydreaming about the best ways to brush your teeth. You don't form tooth brushing clubs. You buy your toothbrush and floss and you take care of it. If prepping is taking over your finances and your social life it means you're compensating for something else and you should probably look into that before you start taking dates to your bunker and eating bugs "for practice."
2013-02-23 05:15:09 PM
1 votes:

untaken_name: If you're barely making ends meet, and are putting MREs on your christmas wish list, then it's hoarding. That's, in fact, why this came up at all in conversation with the person I was talking about - they wanted me to gift them this stuff for christmas. If your emergency preparations are such that I hear about it, then it's overboard. If you have the space and money, do what you want. But if it becomes an obsession, a lifestyle, or if you ask me for help with your preparations... there's something wrong with that.

It would take you about two seconds to click on my profile and realize the chances of me wasting my money on alcohol, cigarettes or strippers are pretty much zero. The extra money in our household goes in to our child's college fund, which seems much more likely than a scenario where I need months of food and water in the house. A week's worth? Sure, that could be worthwhile. But I'm not going to walk around telling people about it. And I'm not going to self identify as a prepper. I'm just going to keep the pantry full. That' ...

So what you're basically saying is that people around you better not have any hobbies or interests that you don't share, or, if they have the effrontery to violate that basic rule of life, they better not talk about it with you. Got it. You sound like a great friend.


What I'm saying is that if your paranoid fantasies get to the point where you ask me at Christmas for food you're never actually going to eat and just shove in a closet, then I'm going to think you're weird, and I'm not going to buy it for you. And if you complain that you're struggling to pay your bills but think it's more important that you stock up on ammo, then I'm going to think you have poor decision making skills. Finally, preparing for the end times isn't a hobby. Hobbies have some element of enjoyment or recreation to them, and those are interesting to hear about (not just in spite of, but especially when it's something I'd never participate in myself). But buying stuff doesn't count. I'd be just as bored with a conversation with someone who spent an excessive amount of time and effort buying shoes "just because they might need them sometime" even though "money is really tight right now." That's the real equivalent in this situation.
2013-02-23 03:22:37 PM
1 votes:

mesmer242: untaken_name: mesmer242: Letting your family guilt you into hoarding months of supplies?

Why is it that you believe it is "hoarding"? You know, the government spent your tax money to make sure they have adequately stocked shelters, just in case. They have years' worth of everything, just sitting around, just in case. Is the federal government a hoarding prepper? If their behavior is acceptable, why is it unacceptable for a private individual to act in the same manner? Also, we all have choices to make in life. If one person chooses to spend all their money on worthless crap, are they "hoarding" worthless crap? If you spend your money on beer, cigarettes, and strippers while someone else spends theirs on food, medical supplies, toilet paper, etc, haven't you both spent your money in the manner you each chose? Why is the guy who actually has something to show for it supposedly bad? I just don't understand people's mindsets sometimes.

If you're barely making ends meet, and are putting MREs on your christmas wish list, then it's hoarding. That's, in fact, why this came up at all in conversation with the person I was talking about - they wanted me to gift them this stuff for christmas. If your emergency preparations are such that I hear about it, then it's overboard. If you have the space and money, do what you want. But if it becomes an obsession, a lifestyle, or if you ask me for help with your preparations... there's something wrong with that.

It would take you about two seconds to click on my profile and realize the chances of me wasting my money on alcohol, cigarettes or strippers are pretty much zero. The extra money in our household goes in to our child's college fund, which seems much more likely than a scenario where I need months of food and water in the house. A week's worth? Sure, that could be worthwhile. But I'm not going to walk around telling people about it. And I'm not going to self identify as a prepper. I'm just going to keep the pantry full. That' ...


So what you're basically saying is that people around you better not have any hobbies or interests that you don't share, or, if they have the effrontery to violate that basic rule of life, they better not talk about it with you. Got it. You sound like a great friend.
2013-02-23 06:12:57 AM
1 votes:

duenor: Where did you get the idea that preppers intend to shut themselves away from society? They just don't want to be victims. Most have other prepper friends and in the event of a disaster they will share resources and help each other rebuild.


Perhaps the views I've gotten are biased for effect/controversy/drama, but everything I've seen seems to indicate the majority of preppers are not socially minded friends&neighbors types, but hide in the wilds of Montana types. Admittedly, I've not been looking too closely, but the impression I'm getting is that a) they will not be sharing resources, and b) they are not even remotely prepared to rebuild.

They have lots and lots of MREs and dehydrated water and ammunition and so on; but based on what I've seen and heard, the place I'M going to take over when the apocalypse happens is going to be a hardware and garden supply store. These folks are going to be ready for the immediate breakdown, perhaps, but they will be SOL when their bunker begins to leak, or they need nails and bolts and WD-40 for their bulletproof house, and they start to run out of wild plants and want to grow food in the thin and rocky soil of their urban backyard.

They're not prepared. As I said, one gal I happened to catch on that dumb show last week was all set to hike out of NYC in case of a hurricane attack, but hadn't bothered to check if she could actually do it on foot as planned in the time allotted (she couldn't); and another guy who had his family all set to go from the same city with two-way radios and timed routes in and out of the city had not checked to see if his (very expensive) radios would work down in the city. Lo and behold--the cityscape seriously f*cked with reception and made his radios nearly worthless. Meantime, since his scenario was fear of nuclear/biological attack, the "prep-checker" asked him if he knew how to be sure he wasn't walking into the potential nuclear fallout. The guy had never thought about it--and staying upwind of an attack in Central Park added ten hours to his "escape plan."

My entire prep plan consists of staying put, staying quiet, riding out the initial anarchy, and then quietly acquiring what I need from whatever is still standing. And if it looks like the world is really going to end, I know the long-range markers to look for, and I'll be in Northern Nevada at least two weeks in advance.
2013-02-23 03:22:22 AM
1 votes:

gweilo8888: And yes, I know my quote says "take away orders", but that's take away orders made by a chef who's already had half a decade and change of training and observation. And it's a take away order collected from a sushi restaurant by the customer and made fresh to order for the customer.

It's not a mass-produced, poorly-prepared roll made by a guy fresh out of his job at McDonalds, who got 48 hours of training from another guy who amazed him with his six months experience, stuck under cling film and bunged in a fridge for eight or ten hours.

Supermarket sushi often isn't even made with proper fish. It's made with the stuff scraped off the bones after the real sushi-grade meat is gone, even the lowest-grade stuff. Read: mechanically separated. Yes, that is much the same process used to made hot dogs and nuggets, and that should tell you everything you need to know about its "quality".

Citation:  http://www.nola.com/food/index.ssf/2012/04/supermarket_sushi_tuna_lin k ed.html


Fair point.  But your earlier post sounded a bit like Japanophile snobbery, which gets tedious (only real Japanese can make real sushi, only Japanese can be sumo wrestlers, kendo is the only real form of fencing, the katana is the best melee weapon ever, etc)
I like Japan, but they're not immune to snobbery.
2013-02-23 12:53:07 AM
1 votes:
Preparing for hurricanes isn't paranoid.  Preparing for the collapse of society is.
2013-02-22 11:27:41 PM
1 votes:
There is a bell curve of preparedness. In the middle are those of us who pretty much depend on the  grocery store to survive. In the hiest percentiles of preparedness there are people who are prepared for a range of likely scenarios, like natural disasters, civil unrest, power plant fire, etc...... All the way up to the nuts who are planning what to do when they look out the window and see flying dragons being ridden by Zombie overlords. 

But as wacky as those people are, down in the lowest percentiles of preparedness there are people who literally are only hours away from being essentially homeless with no food or even a map when the power cuts off. Most welfare families fall into this category. No supplies, living day to day off the SNAP card, more worried about getting a box of cigarettes than a gallon of fresh water. 

Given that in any emergency event we all start to slide to the bottom of the bell curve as our food runs out and our plans reach their time limits.....I'd rather be somewhere on the high end of the bell curve, about the 75th percentile.

For me this means about six weeks of food, 20 gallons of spare gasoline, strong doors and locks, a couple firearms in the home, and some idea of where to go if the food runs out or there are major riots. 

You can get this prepared for a couple thousand dollars. If you have kids you should be at least this prepared.

And before you start throwing stones at the preppers, just remember the old ladies on Staten Island, sitting in the cold and dark waiting for Mayor Bloomberg to send them food and water and heat. They were literally a 40 minute drive from civilization, but they still sat there freezing and complaining. 

Dont be a cranky staten island granny lady.
2013-02-22 10:44:57 PM
1 votes:

spiderpaz: Gyrfalcon: Here's the thing: We've HAD a huge, civilization-wide disaster of unimaginable proportions. It devastated an entire continent, killed one-third of the population, emptied entire towns. It's known today as the Black Death.

And yet: With people dropping and dying in the streets (some cities recorded death tolls as high as 70%), zero medical care except prayer and leeches, and virtually no social controls like we have today, society DIDN'T collapse, and cities DIDN'T devolve into anarchy. There were some bad things, of course, nobody would pretend the mass Jew burnings and witch hunts and Flagellants were great--but there wasn't mass chaos.

I'm just not sure what exactly the preppers think is going to happen even if there was some kind of pandemic (which takes time to develop) or disaster or war. And an economic collapse is very slow, it's not like the currency gets devalued and instantly stores vanish into the ground. What do folks think they're prepping FOR?

Believe me, I'm more with you than the survivalists but what you said is totally irrelevant.  Back then they were an agrarian society.  They lived much more like the preppers do than you do.  They didn't depend on grocery stores.  Most people lived in the country.  Pandemic would be MUCH MUCH worse today.


Maybe...but out in the country, they had nothing in the way of backup when things turned to shiat. Lots of villages totally vanished as their populations died or relocated. Medicine was nonexistent, canceling out the so-called advantages of being "independent" of cities. Being able to grow your own food will not help you when your oxen are dead of the plague. The death rate in rural areas was at least as high as it was in the cities.

The point is, it wasn't having plenty of food available that kept people and society alive. It was society that kept people alive. It wasn't hunkering down in remote locations and hoarding one's food; it was carrying on in spite of the awful death rates and despair and misery. Where efforts were made to keep people fed and housed and the dead buried decently and some semblance of order maintained, then surprisingly, order WAS maintained and morale remained above rock-bottom. There were few or no recorded riots in the streets of Siena, or people breaking down neighbor's doors to steal all their food in Paris. And they didn't even have cops or armies to take control.

It seems like the best way to ensure social breakdown in the event of a major catastrophe is to plan as if there WILL be a massive social breakdown, and adhere to the idea of hiding in a bunker and shooting anyone who approaches. The all-against-all mentality the preppers seem to espouse will not serve them well AFTER the social breakdown, when they need to put society back together again, unfortunately. But have no thought for the morrow, I guess.
2013-02-22 10:18:20 PM
1 votes:
I grew up in the Snow Belt, and we've always had extra food, batteries, radios, and other things to make life easier when you're snowed in or there's a blackout (or both). I keep enough to get by until I can get more. Have a couple guns, nothing fancy, and I don't fantasize about getting into any epic shootouts with the government, zombies, or aliens. (or government zombie aliens, whichever you prefer). The last thing I want to do in an extreme situation is to pick a fight. Even more so if I were on the move with just what I could carry on my back.

I do not know more than a few (four, to be exact) people who qualify for the term "prepper". I know one who's a "survivalist" hands down, but the other three are as normal as you'd expect to meet. No black helicopter discussions with those folks. The other guy is a little out there, but not dangerously so in my opinion. I still believe in the Boy Scout motto, "Be Prepared". It can't hurt, as long as you don't go overboard.
2013-02-22 10:14:51 PM
1 votes:
If you aren't prepared to support yourself during emergencies, you're willing to entrust your well-being to divine providence or the charity of others. Either way you're an idiot.
2013-02-22 10:13:14 PM
1 votes:

WordyGrrl: This is my survival stash: a package of noodles that I've been carting around during various house moves for the past 20-some years. Because if financial disaster strikes and all I can afford to eat is Ramen, at least it'll be the good kind from the Korean store.
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My god I love those noodles. Whenever I go to Tops they only have about a dozen packages on the shelf and I usually buy all of them.


As for preppers and survivalists... obviously it's open to interpretation.

I'm a prepper in the regard that I have just enough skills and firepower that I'm prepared to compete for resources against the rest of the population for food, clean water and the coveted title and office of 'He Who Runs Bartertown'

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And that's what it would boil down to.

... but it's a future I'd rather not experience and preparation of such an event has nothing to do with the reasons I own my guns (I just like shooting!)

In the case of a disaster without societal recovery inside of a couple months there are two fundamental situational facts:

-by stockpiling resources you are (knowingly or otherwise) only staving off the time you have before you're forced to hunt/gather in the scary world vs all the rest of us.
-by stockpiling weapons and ammo you are trying to get a leg up on the inhumane realities you will most certainly experience

I'm not sure which one is the survivalist and which is the prepper, but I think the terminating line between sane and insane is in:
-what you are stockpiling and why
and more importantly
-could your survival plan best be described as one of "isolated survival"? (if yes you are most certainly stupid and possibly insane)

Food and other resources for you and yours makes sense for any interruption of grocery store supply lines. Though the degree at which this is done might take you out of "makes sense" category.

Guns and ammo stockpiling shows a deliberate preparation for war against your fellow neighbors. Having a few falls into the "being prepared to defend myself" category, while having much and many falls into either "prepared to kill all my neighbors before they kill me" category or the "ready to go out in a blaze of glory" category which notably has nothing to do with survival

No one but a very select few wants to see some dystopian future happen. While it's certainly possible, associating with a community that makes the guns and ammo stockpiling something their lives rotate around is unhealthy and antisocial at it's root... and while not a big deal for the fringe few to entertain, the larger a movement like that grows (to say, the larger population percentages of a society grow), the closer it's anti-society preparations have the chance of being a self-fulfilling prophecy.
And from that perspective, these people may be their own worst enemies.

And I say this as a vet with plenty of guns and ammo :P living in a very very rural, Republican, prepper/gunnut friendly community. (but you know the saying "above all else, to thine own self be true")

The only way to survive a collapse of society is to replace that lost society with a new one. Reintegration with your neighbors, building new supply lines and securing new alliances with others doing the same. Helping others so they will (hopefully) in turn help you.

All holing up in the ground or hiding on a ranch in the middle of nowhere does for you is isolates you from your two most important resources in a situation like that:

-like-minded non-insane people
-information about what is going on in the world around you.

Why most important?
Sheltering yourself from the world is the antithesis of preparation.
You cannot prepare for something you do not know about.

The only thing better than having enough guns and food to survive a one man war against whomever is not being one man (attacker dissuasion/safety in numbers) or to know their movements and avoid them entirely.

It reminds me of my favorite Patton quote: "No one ever defended anything successfully. There is only attack and attack and attack some more."
In this case, the thing a wise person will be attacking is the very collapse of society itself, by facilitating rebuilding and reintegration.

Attempting to preserve the integrity of your own little bubble is beyond idiotic and is the very reason we laugh at the typical stereotype we call prepper/survivalist.
2013-02-22 09:56:15 PM
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I think the primary difference is: survivalists have this apocalyptic hero fantasy and actually seem eager for shiat to go down, while preppers fervently hope they never have to use their emergency gear and guns. Or I may have that backwards. Anyway, there's preparedness and then there's paranoia.
2013-02-22 09:36:54 PM
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KrustyKitten: titwrench: I have enough food and water to last me a 2 weeks (not rationing) in case of emergency, 5 weeks if I ration and take in the bare minimum. It is packed in such a way that I can be out of the house within 5 minutes with everything including important documents, camping gear and my guns (taking them just so they are not left behind). I live in earthquake and fire land and have had to evecuate for a fire once. I also have a few survival related items in my truck at all times just in case I get stuck 4 wheeling I can hole up for a couple days. My friends think I am weird, at least they did until all of the power in San Diego and surrounding areas went out for 12 hours about a year and a half ago, I was the only one that had electricity (generator). You can be prepered without being a crackpot.

Thanks for bringing the SD thing from a year or two ago.  People started freaking out because they couldn't pump gas or buy groceries for just 5 little hours.
Can you imagine an EQ large enough to knock out services for a week or two with emergency services redirected to even harder hit areas than yours?  I stockpile at least 2 weeks worth of drinking water, people food, pet food, never let the gas get under a half tank, etc.  That also Includes weapons and an evac plan with meet up points for loved ones, if necessary.  I am not going to be stuck in this hellhole when people start really losing it.

That's just prepared, not crazy at all.

Right?


IMO, and I'm a fellow Californian, you are not crazy. A major earthquake is a definite possibility. I should be as prepared as you, but I only have a few days' worth of supplies and no firearms.

To me, it's all about a sense of proportion.

Two weeks' worth of supplies, one or two guns for personal defense (since you're a city dweller, I'm ruling out hunting firearms) and gas in the car so you can bug out as soon as roads clear is not unreasonable. But one earthquake won't wipe out an entire state, so CA will still have some functioning areas after "the big one" hits.

More than six months worth of supplies, more guns and ammo than you can carry and turning your home into a heavily fortified bunker so you can defend your stuff and wait out "TEOTWAKI" is not.
2013-02-22 09:31:13 PM
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I've been in a major city that came within 24 hours of complete meltdown. I'm talking about Atlanta, and I'm talking about the gas shortage crisis a few years back that everyone has forgotten about. Towards the end everyone was running on fumes and there were about 3 gas stations that had fuel in a city of more than 5 million people.

The gasoline did start flowing again, but we were dangerously close to cars running out of gas on the interstate en masse, bringing traffic between states to a standstill. And if the gas had not come there would be no where for those people to go. They would just have to abandon their vehicles and fend for themselves. Seriously, another 12 hours and the National Guard would have had to have been called in.

And we never got so much as an explanation. Society almost failed in the 10th largest metropolitan area of a supposedly first world country and all we got was a collective shrug.

Don't take things for granted. Your security is not really as certain as you think.

/yeah, okay, that sounded crazy.
2013-02-22 08:29:24 PM
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years of fire evacuations, as well as living with earthquakes teach you that it's smart to prepare in small to moderate ways.  I'm not building a castle with gun turrets.  I'm simply aware that with very limited ways in and out of this town food will be gone from stores very quickly.  They tell you to prepare for 3 days.  Safe is more like two weeks.
2013-02-22 08:19:42 PM
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Happy Hours: titwrench: I have enough food and water to last me a 2 weeks (not rationing) in case of emergency, 5 weeks if I ration and take in the bare minimum. It is packed in such a way that I can be out of the house within 5 minutes with everything including important documents, camping gear and my guns (taking them just so they are not left behind). I live in earthquake and fire land and have had to evecuate for a fire once. I also have a few survival related items in my truck at all times just in case I get stuck 4 wheeling I can hole up for a couple days. My friends think I am weird, at least they did until all of the power in San Diego and surrounding areas went out for 12 hours about a year and a half ago, I was the only one that had electricity (generator). You can be prepered without being a crackpot.

So you survived a 12-hour blackout! What a survivor you are.

If my power went out for a whole 12 hours I'd probably starve to death or kill myself from a lack on internet and TV.

/went 8 days without power after a hurricane
//no AC all that time in August on the farking gulf coast
///lived to tell the tale - and rake up 70 garbage bags worth of tree branches and shiat that the storm brought down


I see you glanced over the part where I was evacuated from my home once also just so you could be a smug asshole. Sometimes it takes a small inconvenience to realize what preparations you have made and what you may need to improve. I have also joined the CERT program so I can effectively help those that may not be ready when another wildfire blows through town.
2013-02-22 08:17:44 PM
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Well of course they are going to demonize anyone with any bit of independence, how else are they going to get suckers to pay 10 dollars for a half quart of water when things get shiatty? They need to build a culture of dependence, in which a nation of children look at big daddy government and stretch out grubby hands whenever things get tough going "GIMMIE GIMMIE GIMMIE, PLEASE CHANGE MY POOPY PANTS!"

If they do not try to portray everyone who plans for the worst as crazies, then the common sense ideas might catch on.
2013-02-22 08:01:28 PM
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super_grass: Do you think that ant colonies can exist if individual ants were capable of realizing that they can survive on their own?


Ants can't survive on their own. They're mostly females without working reproductive systems and any males die after mating once, anyway. Even assuming they did break with the colony and strike out alone, the species would be extinct by the act. The colony is not a society, it is the family unit.
2013-02-22 08:01:05 PM
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super_grass: There is something disturbing about people trying to assert their independence from society. It gives them less of a stake in the government and social stability in general and therefore less motivation to support these institutions.

Society is a contract that you sign by simply existing and you have no right to bail on it and fend for yourself once things get hairy. Those who think otherwise should have no rights as human beings and should be treated as such.


I am uncertain that I should accept advice regarding societal bonds from a psychopath who advocated executing all firearm owners.
2013-02-22 08:00:43 PM
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super_grass: Society is a contract that you sign by simply existing and you have no right to bail on it and fend for yourself once things get hairy. Those who think otherwise should have no rights as human beings and should be treated as such.


That's cool. You tell that to the rioting mobs when the city looks like this:
iamkoream.com

promoreports.in

You'll see this view of me:
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2013-02-22 08:00:25 PM
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super_grass: Civilization survives only when everyone in it depends on its survival. Do you think that ant colonies can exist if individual ants were capable of realizing that they can survive on their own? Unfortunately, people have the free will to mistakenly separate themselves from the good of the many and this is why we evolved ridicule to keep people in check. It's too bad that mockery alone is inadequate for the newest generation of idiots and now they're allowed to continue their retardation without being tarred and feathered.

Just don't be surprised when we come knocking at your door to take your hoarded supplies when disaster strikes.


This has to be an example of Poe's law, right?
2013-02-22 07:52:37 PM
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jso2897: way south: FreetardoRivera: When the shiat hits the fan I am going to eat the preppers and take all of their stuff.
SSSS

Sounds like a plan for taking on heavily armed citizens...
But if you're coming around these parts, mind you don't step on a foot breaker.
They've been popular with the pot growers, and I'd imagine their numbers will multiply.

/Truth be told I'd be more afraid of the preppers doing the hunting.
/many of them have poorly thought out plans, lots of weapons, and a drive to survive.

Too bad they lack the intelligence to devote their efforts to helping their civilization survive instead of wasting time and money on a long shot gamble that they will somehow survive it's failure. Most of the same people who always worry about "society's breakdown" are the same ones who cry like little biatches when they are asked to pay their taxes.




You've wrapped a half dozen stereotypes together into one big strawman... Congratulations, I think?
2013-02-22 07:49:36 PM
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super_grass: Society is a contract that you sign by simply existing


No you don't.

You can't force a contract upon people without their explicit consent. It's no agreement at all.

In fact, you're almost morally obligated to resist such a gross offense just out of principle. Luckily for all of us, society doesn't work how you say it does. Society is not an obligation, it's a choice.
2013-02-22 07:47:55 PM
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My recent "prepper" experience (and I do use that term very, very lightly). In my 'hood we have overhead power lines.  Consequence is as such, at least several times each winter and even sometimes in the summer, due to high winds/snow/aliens/whatever our power goes out for a few hours.  Now, I was a Girl Scout, so I am usually prepared for minor emergencies.  Instead of sitting in the dark waiting for the power and heat to come back on, I pulled out my emergency box of candles (tea lights and lots of 'em), my Maglite and a fresh pack of batteries as well as located our extra blankets and sheets if we were all going to have to trap ourselves in one room to conserve heat (I live with 3 men, and no, not as giggity as it sounds).  I knew where everything was and it only took me about 10 minutes to get my house ok for the duration.  I was proud of me.  Ok, not quite prepper level but I used to be there.  I had a pantry with approximately 3 months worth of food for 2 people and over 100 rolls of TP at one point.  Trouble is now I don't have quite the space I used to, but I'm working on retrofitting the closet in the office to become our new backup supply storage area.  Oh yeah, and we have guns too, but not a whole bunch of them and everyone in my house goes to the shooting range at least once a year so that we ensure that we basically know how to operate them if we ever would need to-heaven forefend.
2013-02-22 07:46:16 PM
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I like to prepare for the zombie apocalypse  Not because I think one will actually happen, nor do I want one to happen, but because 95% of zombie apocalypse preparedness transfers over to other disasters, and zombie apocalypse preparations are fun. Supplies of food, water, medication and tools, printed maps of the area, physical fitness training, firearm readiness, knowing travel routes, getting to know my neighbors, all these things will help in the event of any other disaster. I live in the Bay Area, this could just as easily be labeled 'earthquake preparations' but then, honestly, it wouldn't be very high on the day to day priority list.
I think 'the line' is where you're taking actions that will only pay off in event of a huge total-collapse disaster. Someone who 'prepares for the end' by stocking up on ammunition is really just someone who wants to break the social contract. I've got a saying: "There's two kinds of people who follow the law: Those who believe in the purpose of the law, and those who fear punishment for breaking it." People in the second category like to fantasize about when they can go around shooting people without any response, usually with the idea that they're the only ones who 'have it figured out that the law is for suckers.'
2013-02-22 07:44:47 PM
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There is something disturbing about people trying to assert their independence from society. It gives them less of a stake in the government and social stability in general and therefore less motivation to support these institutions.

Society is a contract that you sign by simply existing and you have no right to bail on it and fend for yourself once things get hairy. Those who think otherwise should have no rights as human beings and should be treated as such.
2013-02-22 07:43:12 PM
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nmemkha: Preppers are morons. I don't care how fortified you are, the unprepared outnumber you 100,000+ to 1. They will find a way to take your shiat eventually.


Very nice.  Don't bother preparing or stocking up because the much large number of unprepared will just take your stuff.

I suppose they'll get what I've got eventually, but there will be fewer of them to after the next guy by the time they get to my stuff.

I knew there was a reason I had you in retard red
2013-02-22 07:38:12 PM
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Not all preppers are survivalists, but all survivalists are preppers. :)

In other words, survivalists are just a sub-set of preppers. The Venn diagram would be a big circle (Preppers) with a little circle (Survivalists) entirely inside it.

The people in this article are in another subset of preppers, also fully contained in the Venn diagram above, and partially overlapping with Survivalists. This group doesn't have a name but I would call them Sustainers, because they are already partially self-sustaining.

The difference between all these groups has very little to do with guns aside from the fact that basically all survivalists have firearms while only most of the non-survivalist prepper's have them. The real differences are about mindset, training, preparation, and organization.

Survivalists tend to have the mindset that when the SHTF (and they KNOW it will) they will go to a preplanned remote area and live off the land. They usually have formal training in wilderness survival techniques. Their preparation level varies from a backpack with survival gear to a pre-stocked car, cabin, or compound, and they have firearms. They are sometimes organized in large groups.

Sustainers tend to have the mindset that when the SHTF they will live where they already live, but spend more time on growing their own food and maintaining the property they are already living on and partly off of. They already know how to use all their equipment and need no training, they usually have firearms. Their preparation level is everything they own, so it is pretty high. They are rarely found in groups.

The remaining "general" preppers have a mindset that varies from believing things will never be bad for all that long and the government will put it right, to believing that the S will really HTF. They don't do little or no training, but have some survival guides and maybe watch some survival shows on TV, they usually have firearms. Their preparation level is only enough for their personal worst case scenario, and usually includes a backpack in case they have to "bug out". They are never found in groups.

Being a general prepper can be cheap and easy and take very little time. If something bad does happen a general prepper and their family are more likely to be comfortable during the crisis, and more likely to survive if it is a relative long lasting situation (like power and water are out for a month and roads are all blocked). Katrina and Sandy have shown us that natural disasters, if large enough, can make life much more difficult for a short while, and that is when being a prepper can pay off. Being a Survivalist or Sustainer in that same situation is a much worse position from a cost/benefit perspective because your situation is no better than most general preppers, but it cost you a LOT more to be that way.

That being said, if the SHTF, Survivalists really will do better than average. Yes, tons will fail miserably, but a far higher percentage of non-survivalists will fail worse. Sustainers will do the best, if for no other reason then because they have useful skills, land, and equipment they can barter for protection. General preppers will also do better on average because they will be better prepared to hide out during the earliest and most dangerous days, and also better prepared to survive anywhere they find themselves. Heck, if things ever did go down the tubes just owning a survival guide and a single small bottle of water purification tablets could be the difference between life and death... And that would only run you about $40.
2013-02-22 07:30:05 PM
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The ultimate "prepper" is Batman.
2013-02-22 07:22:07 PM
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thamike: Well, technically, it would still be sushi. You can get that at the supermarket in little plastic boxes, too. But Sushi involves sitting at a sushi bar and interacting with a sushi chef who lives his art and knows what you want before you do. I don't know how Boston or Tennessee fare, and I wouldn't assume that there's no great sushi joints there, but "take-out sushi" sounds kind of counterproductive.

/Los Angeles.



One of my favorite things about Los Angeles are all the little hole in the wall sushi joints here. Sushi doesn't have to be a big production. You can just step into a mom and pop place and get a roll. And if there's a nice park or something across the street, you can take it out and eat it there. Personally, I think it's best eaten ASAP, so I wouldn't take it far.

Folks that think ordering omakase is the only way to eat sushi actually come as less sophisticated than they realize.
2013-02-22 07:19:52 PM
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Ok First and foremost...  Since when does being from Tennessee mean anything when it comes to sushi?  A lot of high end sushi places fly in sushi flash frozen simply because they can't catch those fish in their local area (assuming they're near a coast).

Second, I probably wouldn't do takeout sushi.  The reason being, sushi (or specifically to my interests, sashimi) needs to be cold.  A proper sushi chef will minimize body to fish contact so to not increase the temperature of the fish.  Now, considering my last place of residence was Portland, I would probably get takeout sushi there. Its always cold and raining so the ambient temp of the sushi shouldn't go up that much.

That said, I've lived all over, and traveled all over.  I had great sushi in Amsterdam believe it or not.

I was born and raised in Tennessee and after 15 years absent, have moved back... So a little less predetermined notions regarding geographic location, k?

That said... You wanna talk survivalists?  I don't care how much ammo you have, or how many cans of food, none of you people will hold a CANDLE to smoky mountains hill folk.  They have lots of kids, to spread around the work and have been living off the land with anything ranging from a single tin roof above their head, to actual huts.  Many of them haven't had electricity since ever, haven't paid taxes in their life, and their kids probably don't have social security numbers.  The only use they have for a car is to drive into "town" for "supplies"...

Seriously, these people will out live all of you and eat your families.
2013-02-22 07:16:06 PM
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This is how I distinguish between normal and dingbat:

Survivalist/prepper = Okay, whatever. You're prepared.

Survivalist/prepper + conspiracy theorist = t.qkme.me
2013-02-22 07:12:27 PM
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HairBolus: We are talking about a spectrum of mental disorders here which mainly fall under paranoid and obsessive-compulsive disorders and magical fetishism.

Survivalists can be distinguished from pure Preppers in their concerns over defense and stockpiling of guns and ammo.

Both often include "hoarding" - where the perceived importance of the hoarded items far exceeds their true value.

Gun Nuts who are not prepping survivalists still fit into this general area as paranoid fetishistic hoarders.


Bingo...
2013-02-22 06:42:54 PM
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jfarkinB: olddinosaur: You've also got somewhere north of 50 million parasites who cannot feed themselves even in good times

Nice way to characterize retirees and veterans. You'll be offing yourself when you hit Social Security age, then, right?


Actually retirees and veterans are better prepared than average folk.  I was talking about unwed mothers with 1--6 children, no savings, no plan B when plan A collapses, able--bodied "men" who are not crippled or retarded but can't find work, 40--year--old "boys" who live with their parents and play video games all day, and in general anyone who is dumb enough to think that the system will still be there to provide for him when the shirt hits the fan.

Ask the Katrina/Sandy survivors how they liked being dependent on others.
2013-02-22 06:42:13 PM
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One thing people tend to forget about preparing for a disaster is hygiene/santitation. You can have all the food water and first aid you want but if you can't maintain a decent level of sanitization and cleanliness one infection can do you in. those of you that have emergency kits put together should connsider what you have in that department. MY experience is that is the most over looked.
2013-02-22 06:41:43 PM
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HairBolus: duenor: Where were nice army reservists where my friends were getting shot at by looters as they were trying to give out supplies in LA?

Have you had your meds checked recently? You seem delusional and prone to make up fantasies and then believe they actually happened.


Ad Hominem, I see.

I can't validate my friends' stories because they were never covered by the media. But how about wikipedia?  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_Hurricane_Katrina_in_New_Orle a ns 

Incapacitated by the breakdown of transportation and communication, as well as overwhelmed numerically, police officers could do little to stop crime, and shopkeepers who remained behind were left to defend their property alone.[43] Looters included gangs of gunmen,[44] and gunfire was heard in parts of the city. Along with violent, armed robbery of non-essential valuable goods,[45] many incidents were of residents simply taking food, water, and other commodities from unstaffed grocery stores.[45] There were also reports of some police officers looting.[44] Significant looting continued in areas of the city with few, if any permanent residents, such as the Lakeview, Gentilly, and the Midcity regions.[46]


"Sniper fire" was also reported throughout the city, targeted at rescue helicopters, relief workers, and police officers
2013-02-22 06:36:38 PM
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olddinosaur: You've also got somewhere north of 50 million parasites who cannot feed themselves even in good times


Nice way to characterize retirees and veterans. You'll be offing yourself when you hit Social Security age, then, right?
2013-02-22 06:34:56 PM
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jfarkinB: olddinosaur: Corpus Christi has been hit seven times by hurricanes between 1919 and 1980; and since that---nothing.  It has been 33 years and we are long overdue.

When The End Of The World As We Know It comes, I will establish dominion over all those who don't understand how probability (expected frequency of uncorrelated events) works.


I am well aware my mathematical model is pessimistic, but so is life insurance: I am not the slightest bit disappointed when I don't die but have to pay anyway.
2013-02-22 06:34:20 PM
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Securitywyrm: You could also look at it like this: "Preppers" are often playing the disaster lottery. If they don't have the resources to get by in the current climate, they prepare for a different climate and hope they get 'lucky' with the climate change.


I'd be willing to believe they don't believe in climate change, that it's a liberal conspiracy.

They're definitely hiding because they think socialists like Obama (sic) are going to collapse the economy. Don't kid yourself.
Ehh
2013-02-22 06:32:51 PM
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Came for a Venn diagram, leaving disappointed.

/The people on the preppers TV show are crazy.
2013-02-22 06:32:49 PM
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Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: what_now: What's the line between "Has a backpack with flashlight and medical supplies, and a weeks worth of canned goods in cupboard" and "collects bags of own poop "?

because there has to be a line, right?

It's the difference between preparing for a sudden, but manageable disaster (fire, tornado, flood, etc.) and preparing for the chaotic collapse of civilization.


I've never understood 'prepping'.  IF (and that's a big if) things went all zombie/EMPish, the only thing you'd need is a detailed knowledge of hand to hand combat, and how to kill a man in the most humane way possible.  And neighbors that have stocked up for themselves.  People think the "event" is the threat, but it's the immediate year following the event you should spend some time thinking about.  That's when the shiat gets real.

Think of it like this;  Grocery cart behavior vs driving behavior.  People don't cut you off and flip you off in the checkout line because they have to face you and it's shameful behavior.  On the road, however, we are animals.  Should an event happen, people will revert to that animal behavior during face to face confrontations.  There isn't enough campbell's soup in existence to help you 'prep' or 'survive' that element.  Hence the comment about hand-to-hand and humane killing methods.
2013-02-22 06:30:47 PM
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Stupid thread is making me hungry.  Nice to see some of you know wtf sushi is.
2013-02-22 06:27:23 PM
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Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: The one thing preppers and survivalist definitely have in common is that if the shiat really hits the fan, both of them are going to be doing exactly what the nice army reservists with the heavy weapons tell them to do.  Anybody who has survival fantasies where they are on their own for long periods, fighting for their lives, is delusional.


Oh, really? Does Katrina not ring a bell? Or Sandy?
Where were nice army reservists where my friends were getting shot at by looters as they were trying to give out supplies in LA? Or days and weeks after the Sandy, as people were still freezing and trying to warm themselves by boiling water repeatedly? Or even further back, the 1992 LA riots? I distinctly remember police officers standing by doing nothing as looters burned stores and robbed koreans down to bare floors - until they started shooting back from the rooftops.

I think those who are too lazy / cheap to prepare like to make themselves feel better by calling those who do "delusional" "insane" and "gun nuts".

If you don't want to own a gun, that's fine - your call. I know several people who would willingly let looters take their food rather than put up a fight, and I respect them. But to insist that it's crazy to stockpile food, water, and basic shelter/hygiene supplies - and then expect government or your neighbors to take care of you - that's head-in-the-sand selfishness.

And I won't even begin to get into how history repeats itself and how every government in the history of man has had at least one crushing, oppressive, extended era of tyranny where the powerful trod all over the throats of its people.
2013-02-22 06:26:03 PM
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You could also look at it like this: "Preppers" are often playing the disaster lottery. If they don't have the resources to get by in the current climate, they prepare for a different climate and hope they get 'lucky' with the climate change.
2013-02-22 06:24:43 PM
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Kanemano: I am positive I can find better sushi at the deli counter in the Lawson's in Akahibara than most places on the mainland,


And yet you post a picture of Inari and salad rolls.

Do you know what's always left over at the end of the day? Inari and salad rolls.

I just had sushi last night. It's an entirely different food when the chef has just popped it all together and the rice is still warm, the vinegar hasn't run off, and the fish hasn't dried hard on the corners yet.
2013-02-22 06:19:22 PM
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I do not believe in TEOTWAKI, Mayan Doomsday, supernatural creatures in the sky or anything else, but I  DO believe in mathematics, economics and the laws of probability.

Corpus Christi has been hit seven times by hurricanes between 1919 and 1980; and since that---nothing.  It has been 33 years and we are long overdue.  In addition to this, the difference between the USSA sand the USSR is mostly a matter of percentages; the same factors which brought down one empire threaten to topple another.  I think another "financial crisis" is a foregone conclusion, and Amerika could easily follow the path of Greece.

As such I note that 75% of the people in this city have never seen a hurricane at all---and 90% have never seen a bad one.  They would know as I do, 20% of the damage comes from the storm; 80% derives from people being stupid.

Yes, I might be wrong---but I just might be right.  I prep for hard times the same way people keep roofs on their houses: They know it will rain sooner or later.  Like life insurance, I would rather have it and not need it than the other way round.
2013-02-22 06:19:05 PM
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doglover: Kanemano: gweilo8888: GAT_00: what_now: I have a good friend who has over a dozen guns, complete with cases, ammo and cleaning supplies hidden in various places in his apartment. He and his partner have a backpack each with disaster supplies and medicine.

Both of these men would shrivel up and die if they couldn't get takeout sushi, or the bar ran out of bitters. It's....really really weird.

You can't get takeout sushi that is good in Boston?, anywhere. Full stop. If it's takeout, it's not sushi.

FTFY.

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HUH?

That proves what he said.


Sushi is just fish and rice.....that's it. I am positive I can find better sushi at the deli counter in the Lawson's in Akahibara  than most places on the mainland,

it's like saying there are no hot dogs unless you are eating one at 72nd and Broadway.
2013-02-22 06:18:00 PM
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JesseL: The government hates them both. People who suffer and die in a disaster are much more politically valuable.


Ready.gov
2013-02-22 06:12:54 PM
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When the shiat hits the fan I am going to eat the preppers and take all of their stuff.
2013-02-22 06:09:55 PM
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Although they are delusional about a collapse being sudden and dramatic (think more like Greece where it's slow-rolling over the course of years, and more of a 'hollowing-out' than a wiping-away), I appreciate that preppers are into self-reliance and seem more interested in working together than the compound-in-Montana survivalists.

Now all they need to do is realize that capitalism is the catastrophe they've been waiting for.
2013-02-22 06:09:19 PM
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vernonFL: I don't even know what kind of batteries my flashlight uses. I can't tie a knot. My idea of camping is a private villa in the Caribbean. I panic if I run low on American Spirits.

I am SO farked in the pocky lips.


Relax, I'll tell you everything you need to know in one post...

Buy yourself something along the lines of a CheyTac .408 or other long range firearm. Spend a month learning how to shoot, then refresh your skills at the range a few times a year. Try to work your way up to consistently hitting human sized targets at 700 yards. Take the Barrett Long Range 1 course if you have the means, it's only 3 days.

When the sh*t goes down, all you'll need is your rifle and a decent initial supply of ammo. You'll be able to go out and get yourself a nice RV, antibiotics, food, more guns, more ammo, machetes, ninja weapons, and Twinkies all at your convenience. Simple.
2013-02-22 06:07:26 PM
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Someone tried to explain to me why they were a prepper, to which my response was basically that either things are ok enough that the government will still be standing, or else they aren't and I don't really want to be sitting on a stockpile of food and supplies because I don't personally believe that I could or would want to shoot someone to protect that stuff. It turns out they have family that are even more prepper-centered, and they feel guilty if they weren't hoarding as well, because they don't want to mooch in the case of an emergency.

Nothing wrong with bottled water, canned goods, batteries, and a good first aid kit. Imagining obscure situations you'll have to respond to with months of supplies? Kinda weird. Letting your family guilt you into hoarding months of supplies? Even weirder.
2013-02-22 06:06:59 PM
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The government hates them both. People who suffer and die in a disaster are much more politically valuable.
2013-02-22 06:03:58 PM
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Our Attorney General wants the citizenry disarmed so badly that he smuggled weapons to Mexican drug cartels and tried to blame it on us. Our President is a former Constitutional law professor who is able to rationalize assassinating citizens abroad. Even small-town police departments are militarizing. Homeland Security just bought 1.6 BILLION rounds of ammunition. Emails and phone calls are being monitored. Warrantless searches are common. The legal mechanisms are in place for indefinite detentions without trials. Anticipating a ban, people are buying "assault weapons" as fast as they can be manufactured. They aren't buying them because they're going to turn them in. Part of me says, "It can't happen here". Another part of me says, "If I were seeing this in another country, I'd say both sides were preparing for civil war". I used to wonder if I was just being paranoid. Now I think that anyone who can't see a gathering storm is willfully blind. Being prepared can't hurt, and it's cheap insurance.
2013-02-22 05:53:55 PM
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1.bp.blogspot.com
2013-02-22 05:52:08 PM
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gweilo8888: GAT_00: what_now: I have a good friend who has over a dozen guns, complete with cases, ammo and cleaning supplies hidden in various places in his apartment. He and his partner have a backpack each with disaster supplies and medicine.

Both of these men would shrivel up and die if they couldn't get takeout sushi, or the bar ran out of bitters. It's....really really weird.

You can't get takeout sushi that is good in Boston?, anywhere. Full stop. If it's takeout, it's not sushi.

FTFY.



Nice, a sushi expert from Tennessee.  You are hilariously wrong.
2013-02-22 05:51:54 PM
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This is even worse than when people got "furries" mixed up with "weirdos wearing fuzzy animal suits with dickholes in them."
2013-02-22 05:50:08 PM
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The only supplies I'll need for the Pokky Clipse is a hockey mask and a Smith & Wesson Model 29.

images.wikia.com

Oh! And a sweet mobile PA system as well.
2013-02-22 05:48:53 PM
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gweilo8888: GAT_00: what_now: I have a good friend who has over a dozen guns, complete with cases, ammo and cleaning supplies hidden in various places in his apartment. He and his partner have a backpack each with disaster supplies and medicine.

Both of these men would shrivel up and die if they couldn't get takeout sushi, or the bar ran out of bitters. It's....really really weird.

You can't get takeout sushi that is good in Boston?, anywhere. Full stop. If it's takeout, it's not sushi.

FTFY.


I'm pretty sure that a guy in Tennessee with a Chinese screen name isn't my go-to authority on sushi.

(There is plenty of excellent gourmet sushi take out in Vancouver and San Fran)
2013-02-22 05:46:55 PM
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Sure, "Preppers" realize that even with weeks of anarchy, violence, and starvation, the police will always be there to protect them.
2013-02-22 05:46:15 PM
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I don't think it's strange that people prepare for the endtimes.


I do think its strange that people pray for the endtimes.
2013-02-22 05:46:08 PM
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i47.tinypic.com
2013-02-22 05:43:41 PM
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vpb: That's funny.  As though people didn't know that "Prepper" is just the new politically correct term for survivalist that people started using when survivalists got a reputation for being crazy and shooting people.

Now that people realize that Preppers are just survivalists I wonder what new name they will come up with?


*checks dictionary*

Still plenty of room under "Retards"
2013-02-22 05:42:48 PM
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Rural people with lots of supplies and insufficient weaponry?    Nice... we needs lots more of them for the rest of us to survive.
2013-02-22 05:08:05 PM
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what_now: GAT_00: what_now: I have a good friend who has over a dozen guns, complete with cases, ammo and cleaning supplies hidden in various places in his apartment. He and his partner have a backpack each with disaster supplies and medicine.

Both of these men would shrivel up and die if they couldn't get takeout sushi, or the bar ran out of bitters. It's....really really weird.

You can get takeout sushi that is good in Boston? Maybe there is something to living up there. I can barely even get sushi down here

You're wondering if New England has seafood? Really?


Lobster and chowder are a completely different thing than good sushi.
2013-02-22 04:47:21 PM
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what_now: I have a good friend who has over a dozen guns, complete with cases, ammo and cleaning supplies hidden in various places in his apartment. He and his partner have a backpack each with disaster supplies and medicine.

Both of these men would shrivel up and die if they couldn't get takeout sushi, or the bar ran out of bitters. It's....really really weird.


It's a fun hobby.
2013-02-22 04:41:27 PM
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what_now: What's the line between "Has a backpack with flashlight and medical supplies, and a weeks worth of canned goods in cupboard" and "collects bags of own poop "?

because there has to be a line, right?


The first one is my mother, and she is far from a survivalist. Her brother is one though.
2013-02-22 04:39:30 PM
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I don't even know what kind of batteries my flashlight uses. I can't tie a knot. My idea of camping is a private villa in the Caribbean. I panic if I run low on American Spirits.

I am SO farked in the pocky lips.
2013-02-22 04:35:23 PM
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what_now: What's the line between "Has a backpack with flashlight and medical supplies, and a weeks worth of canned goods in cupboard" and "collects bags of own poop "?

because there has to be a line, right?


The line is right at the point of poop bagging. Maybe a bit before that, but definitely in that neighborhood.
2013-02-22 04:34:10 PM
1 votes:
Which is which?

sannekurz.files.wordpress.com
2013-02-22 04:33:41 PM
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What's the line between "Has a backpack with flashlight and medical supplies, and a weeks worth of canned goods in cupboard" and "collects bags of own poop "?

because there has to be a line, right?
2013-02-22 04:28:44 PM
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vpb: Preppers are just survivalists I wonder what new name they will come up with?


Disastrousts?
2013-02-22 03:59:13 PM
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They all said I was crazy! I'm not crazy! THEY'RE the ones who are crazy! I'll show them! I'll show them all! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA!
 
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