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2013-02-22 07:35:57 PM  

Lucidz: There's still such a thing as quality of fish and I would assume that price is non negotiable


Kaiten-sushi, the converyor belt stuff, became popular because sushi chefs used to charge you what they thought you could pay. So if you happened to be wearing a clean kimono for some reason, your bill was HUUUUUUGE. People got fed up with that highway robbery and started demanding fair price. So some one got the clever idea of putting the sushi on colored plates so you'd know what your paying if you took the piece.
 
2013-02-22 07:36:04 PM  
A lot of these people seriously go through every minute of their lives worrying about how they'd deal with the End Of The World if it happens Right This Instant!  It's mind boggling to me how they can live like that.

Less then 50 years ago people had to deal with this mindset...cold war, WWII, etc. But remember, even as a society, we were back in the 'dark ages' 100 years ago where most hunted and grew their own food.

It's not a negative mindset at all.

They've said people who 'think about bad things' actually are the most 'prepared' for these situations because they've run through scenarios already and what they'd do. I'm not talking just end of the world stuff, but what happened if they were trapped, if someone broke into their house, if they were hit by a storm like Irene, etc.


Being prepared for having no power for a few weeks is a more likely scenario. Society has NEVER fallen globally nor permanently.

What you used to get is rape and genocide during a sack of an area. That was usually over quickly(unless you got rapocided) and the new masters set up on top of existing infrastructure and business as usually was back.

Even if the whole US fails, it will be weeks, not years, before we're all back to normal under some new flag. So by prepping you save yourself the need to go out and loot. You can play some dominoes with your buddies, watch a few DVDs with your generator bike, and generally ride out the disasters without noticing.


You really need to go read up on what happened to the Soviet Union. I'm sure many of those places had residents that thought the same thing. New flag doesn't mean back to normal dude. Could mean worse or hell itself. Ask the eastern block and those nations how they are doing since the collapse.

No one is saying globally society will fall, but nations will and always have.
 
2013-02-22 07:36:13 PM  

doglover: Krieghund: Folks that think ordering omakase is the only way to eat sushi actually come as less sophisticated than they realize.

If the guy doesn't know me, I'm ordering my own sushi.

Omakase means "As you like" so basically you're asking the guy who owns the joint to serve what he'd like to serve at that time. I don't want what you think I want or what you've got too much left over of, I want tuna, salmon, octopus, buri(English?), mackerel, and horse(Mmm, raw horse meat). Usually in that order. Also some sea urchin wouldn't be so bad, either.

If I let the guy behind the counter choose I'm getting squid and lots of it because no one wants the squid.


We're trying to have a serious discussion about surviving, prepping for disaster and you two are arguing sushi. This is why no Californian will ever survive a catastrophe.
 
2013-02-22 07:37:57 PM  
Preppers are morons. I don't care how fortified you are, the unprepared outnumber you 100,000+ to 1. They will find a way to take your shiat eventually.
 
2013-02-22 07:38:12 PM  
Not all preppers are survivalists, but all survivalists are preppers. :)

In other words, survivalists are just a sub-set of preppers. The Venn diagram would be a big circle (Preppers) with a little circle (Survivalists) entirely inside it.

The people in this article are in another subset of preppers, also fully contained in the Venn diagram above, and partially overlapping with Survivalists. This group doesn't have a name but I would call them Sustainers, because they are already partially self-sustaining.

The difference between all these groups has very little to do with guns aside from the fact that basically all survivalists have firearms while only most of the non-survivalist prepper's have them. The real differences are about mindset, training, preparation, and organization.

Survivalists tend to have the mindset that when the SHTF (and they KNOW it will) they will go to a preplanned remote area and live off the land. They usually have formal training in wilderness survival techniques. Their preparation level varies from a backpack with survival gear to a pre-stocked car, cabin, or compound, and they have firearms. They are sometimes organized in large groups.

Sustainers tend to have the mindset that when the SHTF they will live where they already live, but spend more time on growing their own food and maintaining the property they are already living on and partly off of. They already know how to use all their equipment and need no training, they usually have firearms. Their preparation level is everything they own, so it is pretty high. They are rarely found in groups.

The remaining "general" preppers have a mindset that varies from believing things will never be bad for all that long and the government will put it right, to believing that the S will really HTF. They don't do little or no training, but have some survival guides and maybe watch some survival shows on TV, they usually have firearms. Their preparation level is only enough for their personal worst case scenario, and usually includes a backpack in case they have to "bug out". They are never found in groups.

Being a general prepper can be cheap and easy and take very little time. If something bad does happen a general prepper and their family are more likely to be comfortable during the crisis, and more likely to survive if it is a relative long lasting situation (like power and water are out for a month and roads are all blocked). Katrina and Sandy have shown us that natural disasters, if large enough, can make life much more difficult for a short while, and that is when being a prepper can pay off. Being a Survivalist or Sustainer in that same situation is a much worse position from a cost/benefit perspective because your situation is no better than most general preppers, but it cost you a LOT more to be that way.

That being said, if the SHTF, Survivalists really will do better than average. Yes, tons will fail miserably, but a far higher percentage of non-survivalists will fail worse. Sustainers will do the best, if for no other reason then because they have useful skills, land, and equipment they can barter for protection. General preppers will also do better on average because they will be better prepared to hide out during the earliest and most dangerous days, and also better prepared to survive anywhere they find themselves. Heck, if things ever did go down the tubes just owning a survival guide and a single small bottle of water purification tablets could be the difference between life and death... And that would only run you about $40.
 
2013-02-22 07:38:13 PM  

what_now: He and his partner have a backpack each with disaster supplies and medicine


Cool
and since you know their address, you do not need to pack one yourself you can simply take theirs and survive twice as long.
You should thank your friends for being so considerate.

// local bar does not serve bitters, and the nearest place to get good sushi is a mortal enemy of my hosts
/ got bitters
 
2013-02-22 07:39:51 PM  

Knucklepopper: This is why no Californian will ever survive a catastrophe.


Maybe that's my clever Pennsylvanian plan. I never prepped for a thing in my life.

But my hobbies have already prepared me to live indefinitely without society's aid, not that I would because I like ibuprofin, gin, and the internet, but I know enough about most things I could hack it in the wilderness long enough to build a farm.
 
2013-02-22 07:43:12 PM  

nmemkha: Preppers are morons. I don't care how fortified you are, the unprepared outnumber you 100,000+ to 1. They will find a way to take your shiat eventually.


Very nice.  Don't bother preparing or stocking up because the much large number of unprepared will just take your stuff.

I suppose they'll get what I've got eventually, but there will be fewer of them to after the next guy by the time they get to my stuff.

I knew there was a reason I had you in retard red
 
2013-02-22 07:44:47 PM  
There is something disturbing about people trying to assert their independence from society. It gives them less of a stake in the government and social stability in general and therefore less motivation to support these institutions.

Society is a contract that you sign by simply existing and you have no right to bail on it and fend for yourself once things get hairy. Those who think otherwise should have no rights as human beings and should be treated as such.
 
2013-02-22 07:45:11 PM  
^^^^^^^^^^

Well then, I guess I'm a Sustainer. Sounds so nuturing. I will gather the townsfolk at my farm, and they will be my peasants, and I their Lord, and we will work together to grow food under my benevolent guidance.

/at first...
 
2013-02-22 07:45:27 PM  
The difference between preppers and survivalists? One group gets to keep the stuff they've saved and survive, the other gets to share their supplies with everyone who didn't make plans (whether they want to or not) and end up just at bad off as everyone else.
 
2013-02-22 07:45:29 PM  

pedrop357: nmemkha: Preppers are morons. I don't care how fortified you are, the unprepared outnumber you 100,000+ to 1. They will find a way to take your shiat eventually.

Very nice.  Don't bother preparing or stocking up because the much large number of unprepared will just take your stuff.

I suppose they'll get what I've got eventually, but there will be fewer of them to after the next guy by the time they get to my stuff.

I knew there was a reason I had you in retard red


BTW, I'm no prepper, but I do keep the cabinets and freezer stocked.
 
2013-02-22 07:45:55 PM  
This is a thread full of dumb. I hope none of you have insurance either. I love how the new breed of ultra liberal is approaching GOP levels of thinking stupid shiat.

"Omg, a first aid kit and a few weeks of canned food and water", guy must be a psychopath who at best sits around praying for Yellowstone to blow, but is probably starting up an anti Obama militia!

I realize that closeted Boy Scouts may have touched you inappropriately as children, forever poisoning you against the idea of "be prepared", but c'mon guys.

As much as I dislike Mormons and Mormonism, as part of my disliking religious people in general, I never thought that their "years supply" ideas were stupid. Hint: being injured and out of work for an extended period of time, you might bless a pantry full of canned and dry goods.
 
2013-02-22 07:45:56 PM  
This is my survival stash: a package of noodles that I've been carting around during various house moves for the past 20-some years. Because if financial disaster strikes and all I can afford to eat is Ramen, at least it'll be the good kind from the Korean store.
www.ezionmarket.com
 
2013-02-22 07:46:16 PM  
I like to prepare for the zombie apocalypse  Not because I think one will actually happen, nor do I want one to happen, but because 95% of zombie apocalypse preparedness transfers over to other disasters, and zombie apocalypse preparations are fun. Supplies of food, water, medication and tools, printed maps of the area, physical fitness training, firearm readiness, knowing travel routes, getting to know my neighbors, all these things will help in the event of any other disaster. I live in the Bay Area, this could just as easily be labeled 'earthquake preparations' but then, honestly, it wouldn't be very high on the day to day priority list.
I think 'the line' is where you're taking actions that will only pay off in event of a huge total-collapse disaster. Someone who 'prepares for the end' by stocking up on ammunition is really just someone who wants to break the social contract. I've got a saying: "There's two kinds of people who follow the law: Those who believe in the purpose of the law, and those who fear punishment for breaking it." People in the second category like to fantasize about when they can go around shooting people without any response, usually with the idea that they're the only ones who 'have it figured out that the law is for suckers.'
 
2013-02-22 07:46:33 PM  

arentol: Not all preppers are survivalists, but all survivalists are preppers. :)


A really good read. Thank you.
 
2013-02-22 07:46:57 PM  

pedrop357: nmemkha: I knew there was a reason I had you in retard red


I'm sure the guys who have made bank off your paranoia think you're the best! There is a reason why 'Preppers' is on the same network as 'Amish Mafia'.

/A fool and his money
 
2013-02-22 07:47:51 PM  

super_grass: There is something disturbing about people trying to assert their independence from society. It gives them less of a stake in the government and social stability in general and therefore less motivation to support these institutions.

Society is a contract that you sign by simply existing and you have no right to bail on it and fend for yourself once things get hairy. Those who think otherwise should have no rights as human beings and should be treated as such.


meta or poe's law?

What if they decide that independence from society is part of the "social contract"?  I mean anyone can assert damn near anything as being in the social contract given that it's not a real document.
 
2013-02-22 07:47:55 PM  
My recent "prepper" experience (and I do use that term very, very lightly). In my 'hood we have overhead power lines.  Consequence is as such, at least several times each winter and even sometimes in the summer, due to high winds/snow/aliens/whatever our power goes out for a few hours.  Now, I was a Girl Scout, so I am usually prepared for minor emergencies.  Instead of sitting in the dark waiting for the power and heat to come back on, I pulled out my emergency box of candles (tea lights and lots of 'em), my Maglite and a fresh pack of batteries as well as located our extra blankets and sheets if we were all going to have to trap ourselves in one room to conserve heat (I live with 3 men, and no, not as giggity as it sounds).  I knew where everything was and it only took me about 10 minutes to get my house ok for the duration.  I was proud of me.  Ok, not quite prepper level but I used to be there.  I had a pantry with approximately 3 months worth of food for 2 people and over 100 rolls of TP at one point.  Trouble is now I don't have quite the space I used to, but I'm working on retrofitting the closet in the office to become our new backup supply storage area.  Oh yeah, and we have guns too, but not a whole bunch of them and everyone in my house goes to the shooting range at least once a year so that we ensure that we basically know how to operate them if we ever would need to-heaven forefend.
 
2013-02-22 07:48:12 PM  

pedrop357: pedrop357: nmemkha: Preppers are morons. I don't care how fortified you are, the unprepared outnumber you 100,000+ to 1. They will find a way to take your shiat eventually.

Very nice.  Don't bother preparing or stocking up because the much large number of unprepared will just take your stuff.

I suppose they'll get what I've got eventually, but there will be fewer of them to after the next guy by the time they get to my stuff.

I knew there was a reason I had you in retard red

BTW, I'm no prepper, but I do keep the cabinets and freezer stocked.


lol bullshiat. You're like a pedophile saying he just likes naked boy art.
 
2013-02-22 07:49:36 PM  

super_grass: Society is a contract that you sign by simply existing


No you don't.

You can't force a contract upon people without their explicit consent. It's no agreement at all.

In fact, you're almost morally obligated to resist such a gross offense just out of principle. Luckily for all of us, society doesn't work how you say it does. Society is not an obligation, it's a choice.
 
2013-02-22 07:50:13 PM  
For some people, having a decent supply of food (and grow some of their own), their own water supply as well as a way to heat their house without having to rely on oil or gas, is simply a way of life, and not some sort of wacko cult thing.

We just got tired of city life a few years ago, found a quiet place far from traffic, noise, crowds and all bad energy that goes along with it.

We're not interested in driving to town every week to load up on groceries, plus winters in these parts can be long with a lot of snow, so we're not "prepping" for a UN takeover, an alien invasion or "civil unrest". As for natural disasters, the only thing that could happen would be our mountain blowing apart, but fancy scientists from the big city have assured us, that it's not going to happen. If it does, we won't need our food supplies anyway.
 
2013-02-22 07:50:23 PM  

Rapmaster2000: what_now: I have a good friend who has over a dozen guns, complete with cases, ammo and cleaning supplies hidden in various places in his apartment. He and his partner have a backpack each with disaster supplies and medicine.

Both of these men would shrivel up and die if they couldn't get takeout sushi, or the bar ran out of bitters. It's....really really weird.

I work with a prepper. He's an alright guy.

However, while it's good that he has a lot of supplies, his biggest impediment in a disaster is clearly going to be his weight.  It's going to be hard to evade back the rampaging zombie horde when you're defeated by a flight of stairs.


www.murphysmayhem.com

I am not in peak physical condition, but I do exercise regularly and I maintain a body weight that, while not currently ideal, still classifies me as being of "normal" weight rather than overweight.

/Need more ammunition, however.
 
2013-02-22 07:52:26 PM  
crazy vs insane

dumb vs stupid

scared vs petrfied


rich vs wealthy

poor vs broke

smart vs intelligent

finish vs done

derp vs herp
 
2013-02-22 07:52:37 PM  

jso2897: way south: FreetardoRivera: When the shiat hits the fan I am going to eat the preppers and take all of their stuff.
SSSS

Sounds like a plan for taking on heavily armed citizens...
But if you're coming around these parts, mind you don't step on a foot breaker.
They've been popular with the pot growers, and I'd imagine their numbers will multiply.

/Truth be told I'd be more afraid of the preppers doing the hunting.
/many of them have poorly thought out plans, lots of weapons, and a drive to survive.

Too bad they lack the intelligence to devote their efforts to helping their civilization survive instead of wasting time and money on a long shot gamble that they will somehow survive it's failure. Most of the same people who always worry about "society's breakdown" are the same ones who cry like little biatches when they are asked to pay their taxes.




You've wrapped a half dozen stereotypes together into one big strawman... Congratulations, I think?
 
2013-02-22 07:53:01 PM  

Securitywyrm: "There's two kinds of people who follow the law: Those who believe in the purpose of the law, and those who fear punishment for breaking it."


Most people who follow the spirit of the law have to break the letter of it.

Example
 
2013-02-22 07:53:03 PM  

super_grass: There is something disturbing about people trying to assert their independence from society. It gives them less of a stake in the government and social stability in general and therefore less motivation to support these institutions.

Society is a contract that you sign by simply existing and you have no right to bail on it and fend for yourself once things get hairy. Those who think otherwise should have no rights as human beings and should be treated as such.


My society is me and my local neighbors. That's it. I look out for and defend them. Society at large? Government? Why do I have a "contract" with anyone that I neither know or care about? How many if them would stop to help me? How many people in, say, New York or LA would give a shiat about me? None?

In this world you can only rely on those in your knot of people. Look out for them, and be prepared for anything.

We as a society have lost a lot of what matters and our pride in living independently by believing this farking drivel about how society means interdependence and relying on others for your own basic well being and necessities.

You go join a city and be good little worker bee if you want to, I prefer to be independent as much as possible, including being prepared for situations where I might have to deal with losing power or something, so as to not be a burden on responders and such.
 
2013-02-22 07:54:14 PM  

jfarkinB: olddinosaur: Corpus Christi has been hit seven times by hurricanes between 1919 and 1980; and since that---nothing.  It has been 33 years and we are long overdue.

When The End Of The World As We Know It comes, I will establish dominion over all those who don't understand how probability (expected frequency of uncorrelated events) works.


Hey, I'm good at math. Can I be on your team? I promise I won't bogart all the canned peaches...
 
2013-02-22 07:56:21 PM  

titwrench: I have enough food and water to last me a 2 weeks (not rationing) in case of emergency, 5 weeks if I ration and take in the bare minimum. It is packed in such a way that I can be out of the house within 5 minutes with everything including important documents, camping gear and my guns (taking them just so they are not left behind). I live in earthquake and fire land and have had to evecuate for a fire once. I also have a few survival related items in my truck at all times just in case I get stuck 4 wheeling I can hole up for a couple days. My friends think I am weird, at least they did until all of the power in San Diego and surrounding areas went out for 12 hours about a year and a half ago, I was the only one that had electricity (generator). You can be prepered without being a crackpot.


So you survived a 12-hour blackout! What a survivor you are.

If my power went out for a whole 12 hours I'd probably starve to death or kill myself from a lack on internet and TV.

/went 8 days without power after a hurricane
//no AC all that time in August on the farking gulf coast
///lived to tell the tale - and rake up 70 garbage bags worth of tree branches and shiat that the storm brought down
 
2013-02-22 07:58:23 PM  
img.myconfinedspace.com
 
2013-02-22 07:58:32 PM  

pedrop357: super_grass: There is something disturbing about people trying to assert their independence from society. It gives them less of a stake in the government and social stability in general and therefore less motivation to support these institutions.

Society is a contract that you sign by simply existing and you have no right to bail on it and fend for yourself once things get hairy. Those who think otherwise should have no rights as human beings and should be treated as such.

meta or poe's law?

What if they decide that independence from society is part of the "social contract"?  I mean anyone can assert damn near anything as being in the social contract given that it's not a real document.


Your so called "rugged individualism" is delusion at best and a mental disorder at worst.

Civilization survives only when everyone in it depends on its survival.  Do you think that ant colonies can exist if individual ants were capable of realizing that they can survive on their own? Unfortunately, people have the free will to mistakenly separate themselves from the good of the many and this is why we evolved ridicule to keep people in check.  It's too bad that mockery alone is inadequate for the newest generation of idiots and now they're allowed to continue their retardation without being tarred and feathered.

Just don't be surprised when we come knocking at your door to take your hoarded supplies when disaster strikes.
 
2013-02-22 07:59:57 PM  

super_grass: There is something disturbing about people trying to assert their independence from society. It gives them less of a stake in the government and social stability in general and therefore less motivation to support these institutions.


Founding fathers though the opposite. They reckoned that dependence, (financial) stifled the free exchange of ideas. Would you contradict your employer? Your landlord? A big difference however, was that back then freedom was thought of as a national thing, and these days it's thought of as an individual thing.

I'm heading toward prepperville. In my view, though, the calamity would be losing my job. What I want is the land and wits to be self-sufficient. I'll still vote. Oddly enough, the deeper I get into technology, the more interested I get in the basics.
 
2013-02-22 08:00:25 PM  

super_grass: Civilization survives only when everyone in it depends on its survival. Do you think that ant colonies can exist if individual ants were capable of realizing that they can survive on their own? Unfortunately, people have the free will to mistakenly separate themselves from the good of the many and this is why we evolved ridicule to keep people in check. It's too bad that mockery alone is inadequate for the newest generation of idiots and now they're allowed to continue their retardation without being tarred and feathered.

Just don't be surprised when we come knocking at your door to take your hoarded supplies when disaster strikes.


This has to be an example of Poe's law, right?
 
2013-02-22 08:00:43 PM  

super_grass: Society is a contract that you sign by simply existing and you have no right to bail on it and fend for yourself once things get hairy. Those who think otherwise should have no rights as human beings and should be treated as such.


That's cool. You tell that to the rioting mobs when the city looks like this:
iamkoream.com

promoreports.in

You'll see this view of me:
sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net
 
2013-02-22 08:01:05 PM  

super_grass: There is something disturbing about people trying to assert their independence from society. It gives them less of a stake in the government and social stability in general and therefore less motivation to support these institutions.

Society is a contract that you sign by simply existing and you have no right to bail on it and fend for yourself once things get hairy. Those who think otherwise should have no rights as human beings and should be treated as such.


I am uncertain that I should accept advice regarding societal bonds from a psychopath who advocated executing all firearm owners.
 
2013-02-22 08:01:16 PM  

WordyGrrl: This is my survival stash: a package of noodles that I've been carting around during various house moves for the past 20-some years. Because if financial disaster strikes and all I can afford to eat is Ramen, at least it'll be the good kind from the Korean store.
[www.ezionmarket.com image 300x300]


i got ippechan ramen

www.ramenplace.com
 
2013-02-22 08:01:28 PM  

super_grass: Do you think that ant colonies can exist if individual ants were capable of realizing that they can survive on their own?


Ants can't survive on their own. They're mostly females without working reproductive systems and any males die after mating once, anyway. Even assuming they did break with the colony and strike out alone, the species would be extinct by the act. The colony is not a society, it is the family unit.
 
2013-02-22 08:02:22 PM  

MrSteve007: super_grass: Society is a contract that you sign by simply existing and you have no right to bail on it and fend for yourself once things get hairy. Those who think otherwise should have no rights as human beings and should be treated as such.

That's cool. You tell that to the rioting mobs when the city looks like this:
[iamkoream.com image 803x388]

[promoreports.in image 800x1124]

You'll see this view of me:
[sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 850x1133]


You'll either have your boat taken by pirates or mobs of angry, hungry people when you dock for supplies.

Thanks for the boat, by the way.
 
2013-02-22 08:05:16 PM  

Jon iz teh kewl: WordyGrrl: This is my survival stash: a package of noodles that I've been carting around during various house moves for the past 20-some years. Because if financial disaster strikes and all I can afford to eat is Ramen, at least it'll be the good kind from the Korean store.
[www.ezionmarket.com image 300x300]

i got ippechan ramen

[www.ramenplace.com image 800x600]


That nutrition label is lying about the sodium content.
 
2013-02-22 08:06:08 PM  
i know.  i have the same shiat at home and it lists 1900+ mg
 
2013-02-22 08:06:25 PM  

thisispete: I also have a spade to dig a latrine in the backyard


If you ever make it to the US, whatever you do, don't call them that.
 
2013-02-22 08:06:30 PM  
I didn't mean to sushijack this thread guys. I could have used artisan infused gin or locally sourced Brussels sprouts and gotten the same point across
 
2013-02-22 08:08:58 PM  
www.ivy-style.com
 
2013-02-22 08:10:13 PM  

jalora: Damn you forever, Nathan Holn!


Lol. Nice.
 
2013-02-22 08:10:42 PM  
Car+ lasting food, distilled water, gas and blankets in the trunk. Bin-liners for waterproofing.
/bout $50, negligible weight, be stupid not to.
//only since I moved to the states though. Savages :/
 
2013-02-22 08:14:33 PM  

timujin: While it's true that they're different, a Venn diagram of these two groups would have a lot of overlap.




I want you with me when the end comes - Venn diagrams are going to be very useful.

/I keed.
 
2013-02-22 08:15:27 PM  

Knucklepopper: duenor: Nutsac_Jim: Oh.. and farmers will probably not take your worthless paper currency.
Better hope you have a lot of 5 ounce silver bars.

I have carpentry, medical, and metalworking skills for trade. I'm pretty sure I could work out a trade anywhere.

Yeah, well I have bartending, so line starts behind me, buddy.


Winemaking experience here, so take a step back, friend.
 
2013-02-22 08:17:08 PM  
I like freeze dried strawberries.
 
2013-02-22 08:17:44 PM  
Well of course they are going to demonize anyone with any bit of independence, how else are they going to get suckers to pay 10 dollars for a half quart of water when things get shiatty? They need to build a culture of dependence, in which a nation of children look at big daddy government and stretch out grubby hands whenever things get tough going "GIMMIE GIMMIE GIMMIE, PLEASE CHANGE MY POOPY PANTS!"

If they do not try to portray everyone who plans for the worst as crazies, then the common sense ideas might catch on.
 
2013-02-22 08:19:42 PM  

Happy Hours: titwrench: I have enough food and water to last me a 2 weeks (not rationing) in case of emergency, 5 weeks if I ration and take in the bare minimum. It is packed in such a way that I can be out of the house within 5 minutes with everything including important documents, camping gear and my guns (taking them just so they are not left behind). I live in earthquake and fire land and have had to evecuate for a fire once. I also have a few survival related items in my truck at all times just in case I get stuck 4 wheeling I can hole up for a couple days. My friends think I am weird, at least they did until all of the power in San Diego and surrounding areas went out for 12 hours about a year and a half ago, I was the only one that had electricity (generator). You can be prepered without being a crackpot.

So you survived a 12-hour blackout! What a survivor you are.

If my power went out for a whole 12 hours I'd probably starve to death or kill myself from a lack on internet and TV.

/went 8 days without power after a hurricane
//no AC all that time in August on the farking gulf coast
///lived to tell the tale - and rake up 70 garbage bags worth of tree branches and shiat that the storm brought down


I see you glanced over the part where I was evacuated from my home once also just so you could be a smug asshole. Sometimes it takes a small inconvenience to realize what preparations you have made and what you may need to improve. I have also joined the CERT program so I can effectively help those that may not be ready when another wildfire blows through town.
 
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