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2013-02-22 06:52:31 PM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: what_now: What's the line between "Has a backpack with flashlight and medical supplies, and a weeks worth of canned goods in cupboard" and "collects bags of own poop "?

because there has to be a line, right?

It's the difference between preparing for a sudden, but manageable disaster (fire, tornado, flood, etc.) and preparing for the chaotic collapse of civilization.


Its not really going to happen.  Sure, you can have a financial collapse, and there will be riots in the city..
but farmers will bring in food as the prices go up.  All that will happen is that the farmers will not agree to come inside city limits unless they have an armed escort.  I'm sure some donut cops will volunteer for this duty and hope to secure some of their own extra food..etc.

no problems unless some dufus has been nuking the land west of the farms.
 
2013-02-22 06:52:43 PM
When did it become a bad thing to be prepared for natural or man-made disasters? Keeping a lot of food on hand has other benefits, such as cutting down on emergency trips to the store to pick up that one thing you need for a recipe. I am shocked and disheartened by the number of people in this thread who are smug about their day-to-day dependence on the food supply chain and utilities. So smug, in fact, that they are mocking individuals who are trying to ensure they don't have to sit there and watch their family slowly starve to death.

The article seems to making the distinction based on who is prepared to defend their supplies and those who aren't. If you are willing to go through the process of preparing, why not have a gun to give yourself a CHANCE to defend yourself and your family in the event someone wants your stuff? Sure, you probably won't need it. Sure, your resistance may be futile. Would you rather ensure you and your family will be at the mercy of someone else? Why not give yourself a fighting chance?

There are many things that threaten our way of life. You don't have to be paranoid to prepare for a global pandemic that causes a collapse of utilities and the food supply. Everyone was freaking out about the flu, but imagine a virus with no available vaccine and a 50% mortality rate. Such a virus could be one mutation away from becoming a reality. How many people are going to go to the store or two work when they know there's a 50/50 shot they'll die if they get sick? Who's going to keep the lights on? Who's going to keep food in the stores? This is just one scenario.

For those of you who are mocking "preppers", why don't you leave your spare tire at home? After all, what's the chances of you getting a flat tomorrow?
 
2013-02-22 06:53:27 PM
Lame sauce.  This reminds me of the Trekkies vs Trekkers.

You're all...

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2013-02-22 06:54:06 PM

Ishkur: I don't think it's strange that people prepare for the endtimes.


I do think its strange that people pray for the endtimes.

In this farked world? Really? I'm not suprised at all.
 
2013-02-22 06:54:14 PM
Oh.. and farmers will probably not take your worthless paper currency.
Better hope you have a lot of 5 ounce silver bars.
 
2013-02-22 06:55:14 PM

lockers: Whats wrong with planning for you in yours for the case of extreme emergency? How is that crazy?


Mostly because if you're planning for that, you need to be in lock-up.
 
2013-02-22 06:56:17 PM

Nutsac_Jim: Oh.. and farmers will probably not take your worthless paper currency.
Better hope you have a lot of 5 ounce silver bars.


I have carpentry, medical, and metalworking skills for trade. I'm pretty sure I could work out a trade anywhere.
 
2013-02-22 06:57:08 PM

Nutsac_Jim: Oh.. and farmers will probably not take your worthless paper currency.
Better hope you have a lot of 5 ounce silver bars.


i'm just sellin him shiat.  but he keeps payin me those silver bars

here's your worthless veggies you perv
 
2013-02-22 06:58:07 PM

duenor: Nutsac_Jim: Oh.. and farmers will probably not take your worthless paper currency.
Better hope you have a lot of 5 ounce silver bars.

I have carpentry, medical, and metalworking skills for trade. I'm pretty sure I could work out a trade anywhere.


Yeah, well I have bartending, so line starts behind me, buddy.
 
2013-02-22 06:59:58 PM
One thing that I wish more people would get into is Community Emergency Response Teams (CERT). It's a US Government/Citizencorps program, designed specifically to get "trained" citizens to be able to communicate, coordinate and help first responders in a time of need.

The classes are excellent, typically taught by your local emergency management and firefighters, and pretty damned cool.

www.keizerfire.com

Our local programs coordinate with the state's fire training center, so we get to experience actual (but simulated) backdraft and flame rollover situations. They train in triage, first-aid, heavy lifting (1-ton "jersey barriers" with prybars and cribbing) building clearing and marking, emergency communications, disaster site mass-casualty setup points, community evacuations, chemical fire/smoke recognition, even optional classes in structural inspections. The shiat is pretty rad, free, and you get to meet all your local first responders. I highly recommend it.
 
2013-02-22 07:00:42 PM

titwrench: I have enough food and water to last me a 2 weeks (not rationing) in case of emergency, 5 weeks if I ration and take in the bare minimum. It is packed in such a way that I can be out of the house within 5 minutes with everything including important documents, camping gear and my guns (taking them just so they are not left behind). I live in earthquake and fire land and have had to evecuate for a fire once. I also have a few survival related items in my truck at all times just in case I get stuck 4 wheeling I can hole up for a couple days. My friends think I am weird, at least they did until all of the power in San Diego and surrounding areas went out for 12 hours about a year and a half ago, I was the only one that had electricity (generator). You can be prepered without being a crackpot.


Thanks for bringing the SD thing from a year or two ago.  People started freaking out because they couldn't pump gas or buy groceries for just 5 little hours.
Can you imagine an EQ large enough to knock out services for a week or two with emergency services redirected to even harder hit areas than yours?  I stockpile at least 2 weeks worth of drinking water, people food, pet food, never let the gas get under a half tank, etc.  That also Includes weapons and an evac plan with meet up points for loved ones, if necessary.  I am not going to be stuck in this hellhole when people start really losing it.

That's just prepared, not crazy at all.

Right?
 
2013-02-22 07:02:19 PM
Which of the two stock up on racist literature?
 
2013-02-22 07:02:25 PM

thamike: This is even worse than when people got "furries" mixed up with "weirdos wearing fuzzy animal suits with dickholes in them."


Well, some of those suits can be hard to get out of if you have to pee.

My former roommate didn't have to worry about that, since he was a furry and a diaper fetishist.
 
2013-02-22 07:05:13 PM
I'm presently building my hobby farm out in western New Hampshire. Septic went in this week, the well is being drilled next week. I'm going to put up some solar panels, windmills, gardens, keep horses, etc. When I tell people what I'm up to, they immediately accuse me of being a survivalist. It's like people are suspicious of anyone who seems a little *too* independent. They don't seem to like it when some people aren't being held hostage to modern society, like they are.  I just want to have fun with my hobby farm action playset, not set myself up as a warlord. I don't want society to collapse. I can't have fun foxhunting when surrounded by refugees...
 
2013-02-22 07:06:06 PM

PhaserQuest: Which of the two stock up on racist literature?


only both
 
2013-02-22 07:06:10 PM

Knucklepopper: duenor: Nutsac_Jim: Oh.. and farmers will probably not take your worthless paper currency.
Better hope you have a lot of 5 ounce silver bars.

I have carpentry, medical, and metalworking skills for trade. I'm pretty sure I could work out a trade anywhere.

Yeah, well I have bartending, so line starts behind me, buddy.


Distillation might be more useful. What good is bartending if the guy supplying you with bathtub gin thinks pinesol is a botanical?
 
2013-02-22 07:07:10 PM
Pretty much any time people have a stupid label for what they do, they are at least a little crazy. I've never heard anyone I know describe themselves as a "prepper" or "survivalist" despite a number of them having some basic sensible disaster preparedness (first aid kit, a bit of food and water, flashlight, etc). There is a real difference between taking basic measures for a disaster that is somewhat likely to happen in your lifetime (hurricane, earthquake, Justin Beiber concert) and stocking up tons of shiat because you think the apocalypse will happen and afterwards it'll be just like Fallout 3.
 
2013-02-22 07:08:00 PM
Here's the thing: We've HAD a huge, civilization-wide disaster of unimaginable proportions. It devastated an entire continent, killed one-third of the population, emptied entire towns. It's known today as the Black Death.

And yet: With people dropping and dying in the streets (some cities recorded death tolls as high as 70%), zero medical care except prayer and leeches, and virtually no social controls like we have today, society DIDN'T collapse, and cities DIDN'T devolve into anarchy. There were some bad things, of course, nobody would pretend the mass Jew burnings and witch hunts and Flagellants were great--but there wasn't mass chaos.

I'm just not sure what exactly the preppers think is going to happen even if there was some kind of pandemic (which takes time to develop) or disaster or war. And an economic collapse is very slow, it's not like the currency gets devalued and instantly stores vanish into the ground. What do folks think they're prepping FOR?
 
2013-02-22 07:09:06 PM
If what I've seen on "Dommsday Preppers" is any indication, the "preppers" are just survivalists with fancier houses who don't flaunt their racist tendencies.
 
2013-02-22 07:10:11 PM

Gyrfalcon: Here's the thing: We've HAD a huge, civilization-wide disaster of unimaginable proportions. It devastated an entire continent, killed one-third of the population, emptied entire towns. It's known today as the Black Death.

And yet: With people dropping and dying in the streets (some cities recorded death tolls as high as 70%), zero medical care except prayer and leeches, and virtually no social controls like we have today, society DIDN'T collapse, and cities DIDN'T devolve into anarchy. There were some bad things, of course, nobody would pretend the mass Jew burnings and witch hunts and Flagellants were great--but there wasn't mass chaos.

I'm just not sure what exactly the preppers think is going to happen even if there was some kind of pandemic (which takes time to develop) or disaster or war. And an economic collapse is very slow, it's not like the currency gets devalued and instantly stores vanish into the ground. What do folks think they're prepping FOR?




This
 
2013-02-22 07:11:27 PM

cptjeff: Knucklepopper: duenor: Nutsac_Jim: Oh.. and farmers will probably not take your worthless paper currency.
Better hope you have a lot of 5 ounce silver bars.

I have carpentry, medical, and metalworking skills for trade. I'm pretty sure I could work out a trade anywhere.

Yeah, well I have bartending, so line starts behind me, buddy.

Distillation might be more useful. What good is bartending if the guy supplying you with bathtub gin thinks pinesol is a botanical?


Mix it with flat club soda raided from the Wal-Mart because everyone takes soft drinks during crises but not the club soda, duh.
See? You didn't think of that. Line. Behind me, please!
 
2013-02-22 07:12:27 PM

HairBolus: We are talking about a spectrum of mental disorders here which mainly fall under paranoid and obsessive-compulsive disorders and magical fetishism.

Survivalists can be distinguished from pure Preppers in their concerns over defense and stockpiling of guns and ammo.

Both often include "hoarding" - where the perceived importance of the hoarded items far exceeds their true value.

Gun Nuts who are not prepping survivalists still fit into this general area as paranoid fetishistic hoarders.


Bingo...
 
2013-02-22 07:14:00 PM

duenor: HairBolus: duenor: Where were nice army reservists where my friends were getting shot at by looters as they were trying to give out supplies in LA?

Have you had your meds checked recently? You seem delusional and prone to make up fantasies and then believe they actually happened.

Ad Hominem, I see.

I can't validate my friends' stories because they were never covered by the media.


What I doubt is that you live in New Orleans and that you actually have face to face friends that were shot at while trying to be good Samaritans during Katrina. Lots of stuff was made up during Katrina to fit a "dangerous animal" narrative as was lots of stuff denied such as cops killing blacks for trying to walk out of NO.

I still think you are delusional and need of a med check and that you consider someone to be a "friend" if you have read something they wrote on the internet in a racist survivalist nutjob vein.
 
2013-02-22 07:15:11 PM

thisispete: Since the earthquake in Christchurch here in NZ two years ago, I've made sure to have a few days surplus of bottled water and food available in my pantry, I also have a spade to dig a latrine in the backyard and a tarp to hang up for privacy. I've also got my important documents - insurance, passport and $100 cash in one place and I have purchased a combination wind-up radio/cellphone charger/lantern. I figure that will be enough to get me through until relief arrives in the event of a disaster.

The impression I get is that a lot of preppers actually seem to be rooting for some kind of disaster to happen so they can act out some post-social-collapse fantasy. There's a difference between making a risk assessment and hoping for that kind of massive change in the way people live their lives.


There's a bit of Pascal's Wager here too.  The idea that you can't be too prepared because there is little to lose if you are.  I wonder how religious preppers are... I'm betting they're of the Christian types with a high focus on doomsday.
 
2013-02-22 07:15:25 PM
From my read of this article:
Preppers are the people who stood up in the movie theatre and cheered at the end of the new Red Dawn when it played in Tucson.
Survivalists are the people who for weeks, peered up at the sky watching for parachutes and still give Koreans and Asians in general, the side-eye.
That about it?
 
2013-02-22 07:16:06 PM
This is how I distinguish between normal and dingbat:

Survivalist/prepper = Okay, whatever. You're prepared.

Survivalist/prepper + conspiracy theorist = t.qkme.me
 
2013-02-22 07:16:35 PM

Saracuda: Have you ever noticed that on the Doomsday Preppers TV show, that almost every prepper uses the phrase "when the shiat hits the fan?"  It's like a universal saying for them.  Are they all reading the same website?

/not a prepper, but a country person.  We do a lot of canning and drying, have a 50 lb bag of potatoes in storage for the winter, and a freezer full of meat.  We don't store water, but live close enough to a river to get buckets of water and walk home with them.  We could live comfortable for a while if we had a collapse, but we're not living like that's actually going to happen.


It is a universal saying in the prepping community.  You'll always see it as "SHTF".  It's just a term for whatever you're prepping for actually happening.  SHTF is a major earthquake for me, could be a tornado for someone in Kansas, or an ice storm for someone in Maine, or the Mayan-EMP-Zombie-Apocolypse-RaceWar for Crazy Uncle Eddy.
 
2013-02-22 07:17:02 PM
Let's see. How would I do, unprepared, with basic human needs?

Fresh water? I live in Michigan. I can't drive twenty miles in any direction without being near fresh water.

Food? Plants and animals. I doubt the rabbit and squirrel population will fade immediately, and sometimes I might have a turkey (they're all over the place) or luck into some wild berries. I probably can't throw a rock without hitting something edible.

Oxygen? Well, if that's gone we're all screwed anyway.

Shelter? There are more houses and dwellings than there are people living in them. If anything, I'd have a BETTER shelter if the rule of law crumbled.

Protection? It's not too hard to fashion weapons and traps if I need them. I don't particularly care for guns, but I imagine they will be around after civilization falls if I need one. And honestly, if anyone comes to take what I have, I'll just leave. It's not worth fighting over squirrel bits and easily-acquired water. Really.

I really don't see how being a prepper or survivalist will make a huge difference. I'm pretty sure most of them are people with too much time and money on their hands, and a heaping helping of paranoia and/or xenophobia.
 
2013-02-22 07:19:52 PM
Ok First and foremost...  Since when does being from Tennessee mean anything when it comes to sushi?  A lot of high end sushi places fly in sushi flash frozen simply because they can't catch those fish in their local area (assuming they're near a coast).

Second, I probably wouldn't do takeout sushi.  The reason being, sushi (or specifically to my interests, sashimi) needs to be cold.  A proper sushi chef will minimize body to fish contact so to not increase the temperature of the fish.  Now, considering my last place of residence was Portland, I would probably get takeout sushi there. Its always cold and raining so the ambient temp of the sushi shouldn't go up that much.

That said, I've lived all over, and traveled all over.  I had great sushi in Amsterdam believe it or not.

I was born and raised in Tennessee and after 15 years absent, have moved back... So a little less predetermined notions regarding geographic location, k?

That said... You wanna talk survivalists?  I don't care how much ammo you have, or how many cans of food, none of you people will hold a CANDLE to smoky mountains hill folk.  They have lots of kids, to spread around the work and have been living off the land with anything ranging from a single tin roof above their head, to actual huts.  Many of them haven't had electricity since ever, haven't paid taxes in their life, and their kids probably don't have social security numbers.  The only use they have for a car is to drive into "town" for "supplies"...

Seriously, these people will out live all of you and eat your families.
 
2013-02-22 07:20:16 PM

way south: FreetardoRivera: When the shiat hits the fan I am going to eat the preppers and take all of their stuff.
SSSS

Sounds like a plan for taking on heavily armed citizens...
But if you're coming around these parts, mind you don't step on a foot breaker.
They've been popular with the pot growers, and I'd imagine their numbers will multiply.

/Truth be told I'd be more afraid of the preppers doing the hunting.
/many of them have poorly thought out plans, lots of weapons, and a drive to survive.


Too bad they lack the intelligence to devote their efforts to helping their civilization survive instead of wasting time and money on a long shot gamble that they will somehow survive it's failure. Most of the same people who always worry about "society's breakdown" are the same ones who cry like little biatches when they are asked to pay their taxes.
 
2013-02-22 07:20:25 PM
I'll admit it, I'm a prepper. I live in what many geologists consider the most dangerous land in the United States, due to the statistical likelihood of living in Mt. Rainier's lahar zone. My city is ringed with air-raid-esk sirens that they test monthly. The area also has an annual GTFO evacuations, to make sure we can get out of the valley within 30 minutes, before a 25' wall of 50mph liquid mud entombs everyone.
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With that very real danger, along with the less likely, but also major consequence event, a Cascadia subduction earthquake, I make sure to have at least a month or two of food on hand at home, my truck fully fueled up, and caches of supplies and food kept at work and the homes of other family members.

I also have pretty serious back-up systems at my house and work (rooftop solar power, batteries + generators), in-case of prolonged outages. if there are fuel shortages, I have an electric car. And *if* there ever any teotwawki event, I could always bailout on my sailboat - which is always ready to cast off. She's got water for weeks, solar panels, an inverter system, and even an electrically powered tender.
 
2013-02-22 07:20:58 PM

thisispete: Since the earthquake in Christchurch here in NZ two years ago, I've made sure to have a few days surplus of bottled water and food available in my pantry, I also have a spade to dig a latrine in the backyard and a tarp to hang up for privacy. I've also got my important documents - insurance, passport and $100 cash in one place and I have purchased a combination wind-up radio/cellphone charger/lantern. I figure that will be enough to get me through until relief arrives in the event of a disaster.

The impression I get is that a lot of preppers actually seem to be rooting for some kind of disaster to happen so they can act out some post-social-collapse fantasy. There's a difference between making a risk assessment and hoping for that kind of massive change in the way people live their lives.


You're absolutely right about many of them deep-down hoping it happens.  I like reading their message boards every now and then to get a sense of what the crazies are talking about these days, and I'll often see posts like "Going on vacation to Florida next week, what preps should I bring?"  or  "Flying to Vegas for business, how worried should I be?"

A lot of these people seriously go through every minute of their lives worrying about how they'd deal with the End Of The World if it happens Right This Instant!  It's mind boggling to me how they can live like that.
 
2013-02-22 07:21:28 PM

netgamer7k: This is how I distinguish between normal and dingbat:

Survivalist/prepper = Okay, whatever. You're prepared.

Survivalist/prepper + conspiracy theorist = [t.qkme.me image 214x235]


egads both sides are gay.
using violence as a scapegoat for love
 
2013-02-22 07:22:07 PM

thamike: Well, technically, it would still be sushi. You can get that at the supermarket in little plastic boxes, too. But Sushi involves sitting at a sushi bar and interacting with a sushi chef who lives his art and knows what you want before you do. I don't know how Boston or Tennessee fare, and I wouldn't assume that there's no great sushi joints there, but "take-out sushi" sounds kind of counterproductive.

/Los Angeles.



One of my favorite things about Los Angeles are all the little hole in the wall sushi joints here. Sushi doesn't have to be a big production. You can just step into a mom and pop place and get a roll. And if there's a nice park or something across the street, you can take it out and eat it there. Personally, I think it's best eaten ASAP, so I wouldn't take it far.

Folks that think ordering omakase is the only way to eat sushi actually come as less sophisticated than they realize.
 
2013-02-22 07:23:38 PM
Well, as long as you have SOME  sort of shoebox that's all your own and you rabidly defend the semantics, so nobody gets peanut butter in your chocolate.
 
2013-02-22 07:24:00 PM

ZeroCorpse: I really don't see how being a prepper or survivalist will make a huge difference.


Being prepared for having no power for a few weeks is a more likely scenario. Society has NEVER fallen globally nor permanently.

What you used to get is rape and genocide during a sack of an area. That was usually over quickly(unless you got rapocided) and the new masters set up on top of existing infrastructure and business as usually was back.

Even if the whole US fails, it will be weeks, not years, before we're all back to normal under some new flag. So by prepping you save yourself the need to go out and loot. You can play some dominoes with your buddies, watch a few DVDs with your generator bike, and generally ride out the disasters without noticing.

Also with 100 extra units of things, you can invite your friends over for some relaxation as well.

Back when there was that huge blackout in 2005? me and my buddies were camping. We never noticed.
 
2013-02-22 07:25:46 PM

Krieghund: Folks that think ordering omakase is the only way to eat sushi actually come as less sophisticated than they realize.


I think it's unsophisticated to order food of a variety or in a manner that is supposedly impressive to others.  I like Ritz crackers, so don't mind me.
 
2013-02-22 07:25:55 PM

MrSteve007: Mt. Rainier's lahar zone


disgaea.neoseeker.com
 
2013-02-22 07:27:42 PM

Krieghund: thamike: Well, technically, it would still be sushi. You can get that at the supermarket in little plastic boxes, too. But Sushi involves sitting at a sushi bar and interacting with a sushi chef who lives his art and knows what you want before you do. I don't know how Boston or Tennessee fare, and I wouldn't assume that there's no great sushi joints there, but "take-out sushi" sounds kind of counterproductive.

/Los Angeles.


One of my favorite things about Los Angeles are all the little hole in the wall sushi joints here. Sushi doesn't have to be a big production. You can just step into a mom and pop place and get a roll. And if there's a nice park or something across the street, you can take it out and eat it there. Personally, I think it's best eaten ASAP, so I wouldn't take it far.

Folks that think ordering omakase is the only way to eat sushi actually come as less sophisticated than they realize.


There's still such a thing as quality of fish and I would assume that price is non negotiable   It's not like a mexican food cart where the food STARTS cheap...

Also, FARK California.  The WHOLE state.  I'm a Christian if only because I want God to "accidentally" the whole state.
 
2013-02-22 07:28:35 PM
Sorry the headline is a total lie.
 
2013-02-22 07:30:05 PM
The ultimate "prepper" is Batman.
 
2013-02-22 07:30:47 PM

Krieghund: Folks that think ordering omakase is the only way to eat sushi actually come as less sophisticated than they realize.


Yup. It's food people, not some exotic experience. That's like saying any steak eaten outside of a 5 star steakhouse isn't real steak. I mean, seriously?

It's food. You eat it. Takeout forms may not be as high quality a form of that food as the really nice stuff made in front of you, but the constituent ingredients are the same, and in the same form. It's sushi.
 
2013-02-22 07:31:25 PM

Krieghund: Folks that think ordering omakase is the only way to eat sushi actually come as less sophisticated than they realize.


If the guy doesn't know me, I'm ordering my own sushi.

Omakase means "As you like" so basically you're asking the guy who owns the joint to serve what he'd like to serve at that time. I don't want what you think I want or what you've got too much left over of, I want tuna, salmon, octopus, buri(English?), mackerel, and horse(Mmm, raw horse meat). Usually in that order. Also some sea urchin wouldn't be so bad, either.

If I let the guy behind the counter choose I'm getting squid and lots of it because no one wants the squid.
 
2013-02-22 07:31:58 PM

Lucidz: Ok First and foremost...  Since when does being from Tennessee mean anything when it comes to sushi?  A lot of high end sushi places fly in sushi flash frozen simply because they can't catch those fish in their local area (assuming they're near a coast).

Second, I probably wouldn't do takeout sushi.  The reason being, sushi (or specifically to my interests, sashimi) needs to be cold.  A proper sushi chef will minimize body to fish contact so to not increase the temperature of the fish.  Now, considering my last place of residence was Portland, I would probably get takeout sushi there. Its always cold and raining so the ambient temp of the sushi shouldn't go up that much.

That said, I've lived all over, and traveled all over.  I had great sushi in Amsterdam believe it or not.

I was born and raised in Tennessee and after 15 years absent, have moved back... So a little less predetermined notions regarding geographic location, k?

That said... You wanna talk survivalists?  I don't care how much ammo you have, or how many cans of food, none of you people will hold a CANDLE to smoky mountains hill folk.  They have lots of kids, to spread around the work and have been living off the land with anything ranging from a single tin roof above their head, to actual huts.  Many of them haven't had electricity since ever, haven't paid taxes in their life, and their kids probably don't have social security numbers.  The only use they have for a car is to drive into "town" for "supplies"...

Seriously, these people will out live all of you and eat your families.



Definitely fair to call me out for the Tennessee crack.  I was expecting a Sushi snob from Seattle or San Fran and was like Tenn?  wth?   My apologizes to Tennessee Sushi.  I live in Denver and I'm sure some folks would think the same thing about getting Sushi here.  My favorite place gets it in flown in daily from Japan, so I have nothing to snark about.
 
2013-02-22 07:32:01 PM

Lucidz: here's still such a thing as quality of fish


Very true. But while cheap sushi may not be good sushi, it is still sushi. Make sense?
 
2013-02-22 07:32:55 PM

Whatthefark: Rapmaster2000: work with a prepper. He's an alright guy.

However, while it's good that he has a lot of supplies, his biggest impediment in a disaster is clearly going to be his weight. It's going to be hard to evade back the rampaging zombie horde when you're defeated by a flight of stairs.

Sounds like this guy.


About a minute in, I'm pretty sure shiat falls out of his vest and thumps on the floor. Poor guy can't even scoot over on the couch....
 
2013-02-22 07:34:26 PM
Lucidz:

Also, FARK California.  The WHOLE state.  I'm a Christian if only because I want God to "accidentally" the whole state.

Yikes
 
2013-02-22 07:34:56 PM

Lucidz: That said... You wanna talk survivalists?  I don't care how much ammo you have, or how many cans of food, none of you people will hold a CANDLE to smoky mountains hill folk.  They have lots of kids, to spread around the work and have been living off the land with anything ranging from a single tin roof above their head, to actual huts.  Many of them haven't had electricity since ever, haven't paid taxes in their life, and their kids probably don't have social security numbers.  The only use they have for a car is to drive into "town" for "supplies"...


Are you farking kidding me? Your population of inbreds has nothing on Mexicans. I'm one hour from the Mexican border and two hours from the Sierra Madre. First zombie comes shambling down my path and I'm off to the jungles of Sinaloa. You'll next hear from me when the beer grows warm.
 
2013-02-22 07:35:08 PM
Don't ask either one where they keep their wristwatch.
 
2013-02-22 07:35:30 PM
And if you are normal like me, living in California where earthquakes can hit and leave you without power or access to grocery stores, you have enough canned food and water for two weeks stashed and keep fuel available for the grill.  Even that kind of sensibility has been called "prepping" by members of my husband's family, who believe that thinking any further ahead than a golden retriever does is somehow un-American.
 
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