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(Reason Magazine)   Dear Media: Stop mixing up "Preppers" with "Survivalists" we are two very different groups. One group prepares in case of the worst and are sane people and the other are survivalist gun nuts   (reason.com) divider line 408
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2013-02-22 05:53:55 PM
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2013-02-22 05:54:09 PM
Survivalists are the sane ones. Preppers are prepping and hoping for the end of the world. Survivalists are just practicing survival skills in case they ever need 'em.
 
2013-02-22 05:54:18 PM

Rapmaster2000: I can't wait until the apocalypse finally goes down and I don't have to go to work any more.  Then you'll all be like "Oh, that Rapmaster2000 was right and I'm stupid.  I should have listened to that handsome devil!"


Since you plan on surviving, feel free to use my corpse for food/tools/sex toys. It'll make dying a lot more comforting knowing that a Farker is getting first dibs.
 
2013-02-22 05:54:53 PM

JerseyTim: Preppers are narcissistic idiots.

/and no, I don't mean you, guy who has a few extra cans of food and some batteries. relax.


... and a week's worth of horse-cack tranny porn.
/Or so I've been told
 
2013-02-22 05:55:19 PM
I have enough food and water to last me a 2 weeks (not rationing) in case of emergency, 5 weeks if I ration and take in the bare minimum. It is packed in such a way that I can be out of the house within 5 minutes with everything including important documents, camping gear and my guns (taking them just so they are not left behind). I live in earthquake and fire land and have had to evecuate for a fire once. I also have a few survival related items in my truck at all times just in case I get stuck 4 wheeling I can hole up for a couple days. My friends think I am weird, at least they did until all of the power in San Diego and surrounding areas went out for 12 hours about a year and a half ago, I was the only one that had electricity (generator). You can be prepered without being a crackpot.
 
2013-02-22 05:56:12 PM

vpb: That's funny.  As though people didn't know that "Prepper" is just the new politically correct term for survivalist that people started using when survivalists got a reputation for being crazy and shooting people.

Now that people realize that Preppers are just survivalists I wonder what new name they will come up with?


"The sane ones."
 
2013-02-22 05:56:41 PM
Still working on surviving having their feelings hurt, apparently.
 
2013-02-22 05:58:00 PM
Damn you forever, Nathan Holn!
 
2013-02-22 05:58:03 PM
What's the overlap between these groups and Rapture/Tribulation believers?
 
2013-02-22 05:59:12 PM
Its good to have a hobby, and survivalism seems like a decent one. Lots of intedting people, usefully skills learned etc. Plus maybe one day you get to pull the most epic I told you so ever on everyone.
 
2013-02-22 05:59:15 PM
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Preppers/survivalists - whatever, Dad. I think "sh*t-burgers insane" covers both.

You won't be so smug when those Lutherans break through the door, smart-ass!
 
2013-02-22 06:01:08 PM

titwrench: I have enough food and water to last me a 2 weeks (not rationing) in case of emergency, 5 weeks if I ration and take in the bare minimum. It is packed in such a way that I can be out of the house within 5 minutes with everything including important documents, camping gear and my guns (taking them just so they are not left behind). I live in earthquake and fire land and have had to evecuate for a fire once. I also have a few survival related items in my truck at all times just in case I get stuck 4 wheeling I can hole up for a couple days. My friends think I am weird, at least they did until all of the power in San Diego and surrounding areas went out for 12 hours about a year and a half ago, I was the only one that had electricity (generator). You can be prepered without being a crackpot.


This.  I've got a couple 30-gallon plastic water barrels in the crawlspace too.  Small generator with gas, some camping food, extra batteries, etc.

I don't think The Big One will fark Los Anglees up for several weeks, but I do think it could.
 
2013-02-22 06:01:19 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: gweilo8888: GAT_00: what_now: I have a good friend who has over a dozen guns, complete with cases, ammo and cleaning supplies hidden in various places in his apartment. He and his partner have a backpack each with disaster supplies and medicine.

Both of these men would shrivel up and die if they couldn't get takeout sushi, or the bar ran out of bitters. It's....really really weird.

You can't get takeout sushi that is good in Boston?, anywhere. Full stop. If it's takeout, it's not sushi.

FTFY.


Nice, a sushi expert from Tennessee.  You are hilariously wrong.


Well, technically, it would still be sushi.  You can get that at the supermarket in little plastic boxes, too.  But Sushi involves sitting at a sushi bar and interacting with a sushi chef who lives his art and knows what you want before you do.  I don't know how Boston  or Tennessee fare, and I wouldn't assume that there's no great sushi joints there, but "take-out sushi" sounds kind of counterproductive.

/Los Angeles.
 
2013-02-22 06:02:34 PM

Flappyhead: Whatthefark: Rapmaster2000: work with a prepper. He's an alright guy.

However, while it's good that he has a lot of supplies, his biggest impediment in a disaster is clearly going to be his weight. It's going to be hard to evade back the rampaging zombie horde when you're defeated by a flight of stairs.

Sounds like this guy.

I swear there is some sort of corralation between how crazy the "Prepper" is and how much they weigh.


Check out his YouTube channel. There is some weapons grade paranoia going on with this guy. Still, he would be a god guy to have around when you need some Walker Bait.
 
2013-02-22 06:03:07 PM
What's the point? Something bad is going to happen anyway. Going to be shot dead or robbed or....
 
2013-02-22 06:03:12 PM

vernonFL: I don't even know what kind of batteries my flashlight uses. I can't tie a knot. My idea of camping is a private villa in the Caribbean. I panic if I run low on American Spirits.

I am SO farked in the pocky lips.


If I didn't know better, I'd think you were my wife's alt.
 
2013-02-22 06:03:58 PM
Our Attorney General wants the citizenry disarmed so badly that he smuggled weapons to Mexican drug cartels and tried to blame it on us. Our President is a former Constitutional law professor who is able to rationalize assassinating citizens abroad. Even small-town police departments are militarizing. Homeland Security just bought 1.6 BILLION rounds of ammunition. Emails and phone calls are being monitored. Warrantless searches are common. The legal mechanisms are in place for indefinite detentions without trials. Anticipating a ban, people are buying "assault weapons" as fast as they can be manufactured. They aren't buying them because they're going to turn them in. Part of me says, "It can't happen here". Another part of me says, "If I were seeing this in another country, I'd say both sides were preparing for civil war". I used to wonder if I was just being paranoid. Now I think that anyone who can't see a gathering storm is willfully blind. Being prepared can't hurt, and it's cheap insurance.
 
2013-02-22 06:04:14 PM

what_now: I have a good friend who has over a dozen guns, complete with cases, ammo and cleaning supplies hidden in various places in his apartment. He and his partner have a backpack each with disaster supplies and medicine.

Both of these men would shrivel up and die if they couldn't get takeout sushi, or the bar ran out of bitters. It's....really really weird.


man, that is funny.  btw, you just described half of Montana.
 
2013-02-22 06:04:15 PM
Yeah, it's real important to me that I not get fools and idiots mixed up.
 
2013-02-22 06:05:52 PM

gweilo8888: GAT_00: what_now: I have a good friend who has over a dozen guns, complete with cases, ammo and cleaning supplies hidden in various places in his apartment. He and his partner have a backpack each with disaster supplies and medicine.

Both of these men would shrivel up and die if they couldn't get takeout sushi, or the bar ran out of bitters. It's....really really weird.

You can't get takeout sushi that is good in Boston?, anywhere. Full stop. If it's takeout, it's not sushi.

FTFY.


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HUH?
 
2013-02-22 06:06:56 PM
One group prepares in case of the worst and are sane people

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2013-02-22 06:06:59 PM
The government hates them both. People who suffer and die in a disaster are much more politically valuable.
 
2013-02-22 06:07:14 PM

thamike: Ow! That was my feelings!: gweilo8888: GAT_00: what_now: I have a good friend who has over a dozen guns, complete with cases, ammo and cleaning supplies hidden in various places in his apartment. He and his partner have a backpack each with disaster supplies and medicine.

Both of these men would shrivel up and die if they couldn't get takeout sushi, or the bar ran out of bitters. It's....really really weird.

You can't get takeout sushi that is good in Boston?, anywhere. Full stop. If it's takeout, it's not sushi.

FTFY.


Nice, a sushi expert from Tennessee.  You are hilariously wrong.

Well, technically, it would still be sushi.  You can get that at the supermarket in little plastic boxes, too.  But Sushi involves sitting at a sushi bar and interacting with a sushi chef who lives his art and knows what you want before you do.  I don't know how Boston  or Tennessee fare, and I wouldn't assume that there's no great sushi joints there, but "take-out sushi" sounds kind of counterproductive.

/Los Angeles.



Fair point.  The counter experience can be part of the enjoyment, for sure.  But my gf and I get take out sushi occasionally due to both our work schedules not always being compatible to 2 hours of counter time.  Same fish, same prep, takes 2 mins to get home from picking it up.  Still sushi, still damn good.
 
2013-02-22 06:07:26 PM
Someone tried to explain to me why they were a prepper, to which my response was basically that either things are ok enough that the government will still be standing, or else they aren't and I don't really want to be sitting on a stockpile of food and supplies because I don't personally believe that I could or would want to shoot someone to protect that stuff. It turns out they have family that are even more prepper-centered, and they feel guilty if they weren't hoarding as well, because they don't want to mooch in the case of an emergency.

Nothing wrong with bottled water, canned goods, batteries, and a good first aid kit. Imagining obscure situations you'll have to respond to with months of supplies? Kinda weird. Letting your family guilt you into hoarding months of supplies? Even weirder.
 
2013-02-22 06:07:29 PM
I'm a prepper, he's a prepper, she's a prepper
we're a prepper wouldn't you like to be a prepper too?
 
2013-02-22 06:07:45 PM
Wouldn't you like to be a prepper too?
 
2013-02-22 06:07:49 PM

Kanemano: gweilo8888: GAT_00: what_now: I have a good friend who has over a dozen guns, complete with cases, ammo and cleaning supplies hidden in various places in his apartment. He and his partner have a backpack each with disaster supplies and medicine.

Both of these men would shrivel up and die if they couldn't get takeout sushi, or the bar ran out of bitters. It's....really really weird.

You can't get takeout sushi that is good in Boston?, anywhere. Full stop. If it's takeout, it's not sushi.

FTFY.

[farm3.staticflickr.com image 483x362]

HUH?


That proves what he said.
 
2013-02-22 06:07:51 PM
So basically they're the same, except one is more fond of guns.
 
2013-02-22 06:09:19 PM

vernonFL: I don't even know what kind of batteries my flashlight uses. I can't tie a knot. My idea of camping is a private villa in the Caribbean. I panic if I run low on American Spirits.

I am SO farked in the pocky lips.


Relax, I'll tell you everything you need to know in one post...

Buy yourself something along the lines of a CheyTac .408 or other long range firearm. Spend a month learning how to shoot, then refresh your skills at the range a few times a year. Try to work your way up to consistently hitting human sized targets at 700 yards. Take the Barrett Long Range 1 course if you have the means, it's only 3 days.

When the sh*t goes down, all you'll need is your rifle and a decent initial supply of ammo. You'll be able to go out and get yourself a nice RV, antibiotics, food, more guns, more ammo, machetes, ninja weapons, and Twinkies all at your convenience. Simple.
 
2013-02-22 06:09:46 PM

titwrench: I have enough food and water to last me a 2 weeks (not rationing) in case of emergency, 5 weeks if I ration and take in the bare minimum. It is packed in such a way that I can be out of the house within 5 minutes with everything including important documents, camping gear and my guns (taking them just so they are not left behind). I live in earthquake and fire land and have had to evecuate for a fire once. I also have a few survival related items in my truck at all times just in case I get stuck 4 wheeling I can hole up for a couple days. My friends think I am weird, at least they did until all of the power in San Diego and surrounding areas went out for 12 hours about a year and a half ago, I was the only one that had electricity (generator). You can be prepered without being a crackpot.


Is it a bad thing to mention that my wife wants to have a 300 gallon water tank in the attic of our new house as well as replacing all the conifers in the yard with fruit trees? We already have all the good 'free' space devoted to vegetable gardens and a small amount of grapes. I make beer regularly, and enjoy making my own cheeses and Yogurts. She also wants a wood pellet stove (I am going to have to show her my Franklin stove, and show her how I handle and axe and maul) and a generator in the basement that can run off either gasoline or the heating oil in our tank. All this and we live in New York City. I am waiting for her to ask for a brace of hens.
 
2013-02-22 06:09:55 PM
Although they are delusional about a collapse being sudden and dramatic (think more like Greece where it's slow-rolling over the course of years, and more of a 'hollowing-out' than a wiping-away), I appreciate that preppers are into self-reliance and seem more interested in working together than the compound-in-Montana survivalists.

Now all they need to do is realize that capitalism is the catastrophe they've been waiting for.
 
2013-02-22 06:09:58 PM

what_now: I have a good friend who has over a dozen guns, complete with cases, ammo and cleaning supplies hidden in various places in his apartment. He and his partner have a backpack each with disaster supplies and medicine.

Both of these men would shrivel up and die if they couldn't get takeout sushi, or the bar ran out of bitters. It's....really really weird.


I'm an eagle scout, have actually done the wilderness survival thing for fun, ect. Give me half the supplies of any one of these nuts and I'd probably last 10 times a long. Even given that, the bar running out of bitters means I can't get a proper manhattan or old fashioned, which is disaster on the scale of a small chemical plant exploding.
 
2013-02-22 06:11:17 PM
The one thing preppers and survivalist definitely have in common is that if the shiat really hits the fan, both of them are going to be doing exactly what the nice army reservists with the heavy weapons tell them to do.  Anybody who has survival fantasies where they are on their own for long periods, fighting for their lives, is delusional.
 
2013-02-22 06:11:54 PM

ZeroPly: a nice RV


Why would you want an RV? It's a gas hog and useless without infrastructure.

A quad with a muffler, a trailer, and some camping gear would be more helpful in the long run. If you find a good place, build a hut.
 
2013-02-22 06:12:54 PM
When the shiat hits the fan I am going to eat the preppers and take all of their stuff.
 
2013-02-22 06:14:06 PM
Unfortunately they're pretty much the same.  A couple of years ago, when I was cleaning out and replenishing my modest emergency supplies, I made contact with some local 'preppers', and it wasn't more than 30 minutes after meeting them in person than the New World Order/anti-Obama shiat-talk started flying.  That was disappointing.  Ever since, every time I've tried to make contact with like-minded/moderate/sane people who just want to discuss a good plan for emergencies, I end up dealing with the same bullshiat mentality.  TL;DR: I haven't seen any evidence that the vast majority of 'preppers' aren't teabagger extremists.
 
2013-02-22 06:15:52 PM
Dear Crazy Hoarders:

No.

Love, the Media
 
2013-02-22 06:17:40 PM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Anybody who has survival fantasies where they are on their own for long periods, fighting for their lives, is delusional.


Not sure if they will be inclined to fantasize about fighting for their lives so much as trying to live on their own.  For that case a nice healthy stash of guns and ammo would be pretty helpful for both defense and gathering of meat.
 
2013-02-22 06:17:59 PM
I dunno, I'd say the main difference is one group will be okay once the canned goods run out, while the other will still be complaining about the lack of internet while they starve.
 
2013-02-22 06:18:00 PM

JesseL: The government hates them both. People who suffer and die in a disaster are much more politically valuable.


Ready.gov
 
2013-02-22 06:19:05 PM

doglover: Kanemano: gweilo8888: GAT_00: what_now: I have a good friend who has over a dozen guns, complete with cases, ammo and cleaning supplies hidden in various places in his apartment. He and his partner have a backpack each with disaster supplies and medicine.

Both of these men would shrivel up and die if they couldn't get takeout sushi, or the bar ran out of bitters. It's....really really weird.

You can't get takeout sushi that is good in Boston?, anywhere. Full stop. If it's takeout, it's not sushi.

FTFY.

[farm3.staticflickr.com image 483x362]

HUH?

That proves what he said.


Sushi is just fish and rice.....that's it. I am positive I can find better sushi at the deli counter in the Lawson's in Akahibara  than most places on the mainland,

it's like saying there are no hot dogs unless you are eating one at 72nd and Broadway.
 
2013-02-22 06:19:22 PM
I do not believe in TEOTWAKI, Mayan Doomsday, supernatural creatures in the sky or anything else, but I  DO believe in mathematics, economics and the laws of probability.

Corpus Christi has been hit seven times by hurricanes between 1919 and 1980; and since that---nothing.  It has been 33 years and we are long overdue.  In addition to this, the difference between the USSA sand the USSR is mostly a matter of percentages; the same factors which brought down one empire threaten to topple another.  I think another "financial crisis" is a foregone conclusion, and Amerika could easily follow the path of Greece.

As such I note that 75% of the people in this city have never seen a hurricane at all---and 90% have never seen a bad one.  They would know as I do, 20% of the damage comes from the storm; 80% derives from people being stupid.

Yes, I might be wrong---but I just might be right.  I prep for hard times the same way people keep roofs on their houses: They know it will rain sooner or later.  Like life insurance, I would rather have it and not need it than the other way round.
 
2013-02-22 06:19:48 PM
"Listen, this is gonna sound like a really stupid question, but, uh, aren't you guys gonna get really bored out here if society doesn't collapse?"

/obscure?
 
2013-02-22 06:21:30 PM
Which ones are the Mormons?
 
2013-02-22 06:22:31 PM
One's about a stone's throw away from the other. I've got a friend that's really into preparing for the fall of civilization thing, and he's doing pretty well with it too. He's basically started a small farm with rabbits chickens and goats, a garden, water filtration etc. He talks a lot about food sustainability for his family. He said the one thing he's really missing at this point is a gun. Thinking that he meant one for hunting, I suggested an over under game getter style of rifle. (rifle on the top, shotgun on the bottom break barrel) That's when he started talking bout machine guns and high volume mags. apparently he thinks that his little farm will be embattled by bloodthirsty starving people someday. The really weird thing about it is that he's only ever shot a .22 in his life and he's not one of those first person shooter Rambo wannabe freaks. I'm not sure why he thinks that one man with an Uzi would win a shootout against an entire starving population.
 
2013-02-22 06:22:49 PM
I don't see anything wrong with people having a small supply of food and water handy in case of an emergency.

- A fire in your home is very unlikely, but you should still plan and prepare in case it does happen.
- A burglar breaking into your home in the night isn't likely but you should still plan and prepare, and make sure your kids know what to do if you aren't there.
- If you live in an earthquake, tornado, flood, or fire zone you prepare in case these things happen even though they aren't likely.

I don't see any of those scenarios being very different from something like a multi-day blackout hitting my area, why wouldn't I want to be prepared?

Although I think it's a bit nutty, I don't begrudge those who want to take it to extremes and have a whole bunker built into their backyard either. As long as they aren't hurting anyone let them do their thing.
 
2013-02-22 06:22:59 PM
We are talking about a spectrum of mental disorders here which mainly fall under paranoid and obsessive-compulsive disorders and magical fetishism.

Survivalists can be distinguished from pure Preppers in their concerns over defense and stockpiling of guns and ammo.

Both often include "hoarding" - where the perceived importance of the hoarded items far exceeds their true value.

Gun Nuts who are not prepping survivalists still fit into this general area as paranoid fetishistic hoarders.
 
2013-02-22 06:23:34 PM
I live in suburbia, so there's only so much I can prepare for.  I've got the supplies I would need to filter the water in my hot tub.  I've got a vegetable garden (mostly because I like fresh veggies).  I've got 2 months worth of freeze dried food (definitely my most "prepper" like asset) for me, my wife, and our baby boy.

I figure the most insane natural disaster I can be prepared for is at most 2 months (like an earthquake breaking every water line in town, and a flood wiping out the roads.  Anything more serious than that, and you are kidding yourself if you think you're going to be okeedokie and self sufficient.  If something crazy like that were to happen I'd just move back to my Dad's ranch where I was living before I moved into town.  Being a farmer is really the only realistic way to survive something that serious.

That being said, it seems like the people really enthused about preparing for the end are the ones that are not prepared for the present - i.e. impoverished rednecks who are economic failures.  It's like they lost at life, so they make themselves feel better by convincing themselves they're going to be on top when society breaks down.
 
2013-02-22 06:23:35 PM
Didn't the United States used to encourage the entire country to be 'preppers' back in the 50's cold war? So if you had a fallout shelter 60 years ago you were a 'well prepared person' and now it makes you a 'crazy paranoid'?
 
2013-02-22 06:24:18 PM

doglover: ZeroPly: a nice RV

Why would you want an RV? It's a gas hog and useless without infrastructure.

A quad with a muffler, a trailer, and some camping gear would be more helpful in the long run. If you find a good place, build a hut.


Bait.

/it's kind of sad I've thought this through that much...
 
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