Magorn: Okay first things first: I am Catholic, and i've been "wired in" to church poltics through various friends for a long time so let me just say this to this part of TFA:The Vatican has a Velvet Mafia - and the Velvet Mafia is being blackmailed.The dossier alleges that a gay lobby exists within the Church, and has some sort of control on the careers of those in the Vatican.OF COURSE there are a lot of Gay Priests, it's the lack of them recently that directly led to the pedophilia scandal. Back before Stonewall, the celibacy of the priesthood offered a safe haven for those who found themselves horrified by their own sexuality, and a lot of "vocational callings" came from kids who were apalled to be sporting wood when changing witht he boys at thier all amle Catholic HS. The church knew it and depnded on it to keep up the supply of priestly candiadtes , particularly in America where, as the Irish and Itallian immigrants moved into the solid middle class they stopped having such giant families and the tradition of "one for God" (ie having at least one child in every family take Holy orders) fell out of practice.
ruta: I'm confused. If there's a big secret gay faction controlling the church at the highest level, then why is the church so anti-gay?
ISO15693: j0e_average: Taking religion seriously = psychosisTeaching religion to children = child abuse.Millions of happy, well adjusted Mormons disagree with you.Celibacy was never intended to be part of the priesthood. That is one of the major screw-ups of 4th century Latin Rite Catholicism. The priesthood was intended to be part of every family.
shortymac: You're can't tell people to not have sex AND not masturbate and have them come out normal.
thornhill: Eh, I think the most likely explanation is that he wants to be able to have some influence over his successors so he can insure that his policies will live on for many more years. Even Popes think about how to best preserve their legacy.
The_Fuzz: I like that he has a pacemaker. God designed him a bit faulty, and instead of following God's will and perhaps dying naturally, he gives him the finger and gets a mechanical device to keep him alive. The hypocrisy in the church is endless.
Nabb1: thornhill: Eh, I think the most likely explanation is that he wants to be able to have some influence over his successors so he can insure that his policies will live on for many more years. Even Popes think about how to best preserve their legacy.But that explanation is no fun to speculate about.And, ultimately, I hope untrue since I think the Church needs to go in a different direction, and even then, it probably wouldn't matter since the College of Cardinals is loaded with people he more or less hand picked.
Magorn: the celibacy of the priesthood offered a safe haven for those who found themselves horrified by their own sexuality
Therion: So priests being gay with each other is considered worse than priests buggering altar boys?
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