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(The Atlantic Wire)   Today's conspiracy theory on why the pope is resigning: gay clergy sex parties and the plot of Godfather III   (theatlanticwire.com) divider line 93
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2013-02-22 03:14:59 PM
Great.  Now I've a mental image of the pope saying the immortal line "I'm going to make him an orifice he can't refuse"
 
2013-02-22 03:18:30 PM
I am not one for conspiracy theories, but I like this one.  The rich taste of hypocrisy with a mellow undertone of schadenfreude  makes for a lovely combination.
 
2013-02-22 03:36:03 PM
My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Pope Benedict pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious.
 
2013-02-22 03:43:17 PM
So priests being gay with each other is considered worse than priests buggering altar boys?

Nice Church you have there, be a shame if something were to happen to it.
 
2013-02-22 03:53:22 PM

Therion: So priests being gay with each other is considered worse than priests buggering altar boys?

Nice Church you have there, be a shame if something were to happen to it.


Do as they say, not as they do. Typical hypocrites.
 
2013-02-22 03:54:48 PM
So, the Pope is Gay.
 
2013-02-22 03:56:01 PM
Cousin farkers? Sofia Coppola's shiatty acting? How are the homosexuals involved?
 
2013-02-22 03:57:00 PM
The Pope himself being exposed as gay would be about as awesome a thing as I can conceive of.

Although not for the mental imagery....
 
2013-02-22 03:57:44 PM

Clock Spider Jerusalem: Cousin farkers? Sofia Coppola's shiatty acting? How are the homosexuals involved?


homo cousin farkers that's how
 
2013-02-22 03:59:02 PM

neversubmit: Clock Spider Jerusalem: Cousin farkers? Sofia Coppola's shiatty acting? How are the homosexuals involved?

homo cousin farkers that's how


Stupid Coppolas.

Someone get Nicky Cage to the Vatican to figure this shiat out.
 
2013-02-22 03:59:03 PM
They said that Pope John Paul I was killed off due to him proposing radical changes to the Vatican, as in selling off the assets the Vatican owned.  A group called P2 poisoned him, then killed off Roberto Calvi by faking his suicide.
 
2013-02-22 03:59:09 PM

Therion: So priests being gay with each other is considered worse than priests buggering altar boys?

Nice Church you have there, be a shame if something were to happen to it.


Well, what the media isn't really covering in relation to the whole altar boy sex scandal is the fact that since the altar boys are male, this, by definition, makes the priest gay or at the very least have gay tendencies.  The fact that they aren't getting it on with each other and instead choose kids makes them pedophiles, the fact that they're getting it on with a male of any age makes them gay.
 
2013-02-22 03:59:45 PM
Fark them. I'm down with the church of Zardoz
 
2013-02-22 04:01:50 PM
It's 2013 and people still care about homosexuality enough for the media to focus on it... People, I am disappoint.

/if you want good conspiracies, follow the money, not the abuse
 
2013-02-22 04:02:08 PM

Therion: So priests being gay with each other is considered worse than priests buggering altar boys?


That's the message they're trying to push. They want people, or stupid people, to believe homosexuality automatically means pedophila. They're hoping more hatred, controversy and violence will go towards GLBT people as a diversion from the truth.

That way they can have their fun without outside interference.
 
2013-02-22 04:02:37 PM

eyeq360: They said that Pope John Paul I was killed off due to him proposing radical changes to the Vatican, as in selling off the assets the Vatican owned.  A group called P2 poisoned him, then killed off Roberto Calvi by faking his suicide.


I thought he ate a polonium communion wafer.
 
2013-02-22 04:02:41 PM
I always thought that relationship between Palpatine and Vader seemed a little sketch.
 
2013-02-22 04:03:22 PM
Someone brought lemons to the party.
 
2013-02-22 04:06:39 PM

SpdrJay: I always thought that relationship between Palpatine and Vader seemed a little sketch.


Palpatine freeballs under his robe.
 
2013-02-22 04:10:13 PM
Fark probably skipped the most interesting aspect of the whole thing.

The last meeting the Pope had before announcing his 'retirement' was with the Knights of Malta. He skipped a funeral for a bishop he was supposed to attend at the last minute in order to attend the meeting.

/just puttin' that out there
 
2013-02-22 04:10:33 PM
Eh, I think the most likely explanation is that he wants to be able to have some influence over his successors so he can insure that his policies will live on for many more years. Even Popes think about how to best preserve their legacy.
 
2013-02-22 04:11:00 PM
The real answer is that he's wanted by the ICC for Crimes Against Humanity, and people would question why the Pope is not visiting countries like other Popes, so instead he makes up some bullshiat about he's retiring and he's going to cloister himself inside the Vatican and pray.

Riiiiiight!
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-02-22 04:13:34 PM
This is the most only plausible one I have heard so far.  Considering the Vatican rent boy scandal from a while back, it is possible.
 
2013-02-22 04:13:49 PM

thornhill: Eh, I think the most likely explanation is that he wants to be able to have some influence over his successors so he can insure that his policies will live on for many more years. Even Popes think about how to best preserve their legacy.


But that explanation is no fun to speculate about.

And, ultimately, I hope untrue since I think the Church needs to go in a different direction, and even then, it probably wouldn't matter since the College of Cardinals is loaded with people he more or less hand picked.
 
2013-02-22 04:14:14 PM
 "We'll gladly put you at the helm of our little fleet.  But our ships must all sail in the same direction."
- Licio Lucchesi

1.bp.blogspot.com
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-22 04:15:14 PM
Bruxellensis: "Someone brought lemons to the party. "

What you did there: it cannot be unseen.
 
2013-02-22 04:15:46 PM
Okay first things first: I am Catholic, and i've been "wired in" to church poltics through various friends for a long time so let me just say this to this part of TFA:
The Vatican has a Velvet Mafia - and the Velvet Mafia is being blackmailed.The dossier alleges that a gay lobby exists within the Church, and has some sort of control on the careers of those in the Vatican.

OF COURSE there are a lot of Gay Priests, it's the lack of them recently that directly led to the pedophilia scandal.   Back before Stonewall, the celibacy of the priesthood offered a safe haven for those who found themselves horrified by their own sexuality, and a lot of "vocational callings" came from kids who were apalled to be sporting wood when changing witht he boys at thier all amle Catholic HS.  The church knew it and depnded on it to keep up the supply of priestly candiadtes , particularly in America where, as the Irish and Itallian immigrants moved into the solid middle class they stopped having such giant families and the tradition of "one for God" (ie having at least one child in every family take Holy orders) fell out of practice.

The whole mess the church is in right now is that since the 70's vocation have dried to a trickle in the US-where most parishes had three regular priests and a pastor back in the day, the current priestly shortage means that many of those churches now maybe get one full-time priest, and he's just as likely to be from Africa or Asia as to have grown up in the neighborhood these days.  Just like the US army during the gulf war, as recruitment dropped off the cliff, so did standards for enlistees.  Many of those pedophile priests would have been  washed out thanks to the rigorous psych screening the Church does on seminarians.  Now however, a lot of the sail right through.  It's not totally clear to me whether they just stopped screening, or if they KNOW but figure since the guy is taking a VOW of celibacy that he'll be fine no matter how twisted he is (and because otherwise they might have years where they make exactly zero new priests).  Either way, the church knew this was coming for a long time, and the effort at the top to blame this on the gays is not only sickening, but wildly disingenous
 
2013-02-22 04:16:41 PM

J. Frank Parnell: Fark probably skipped the most interesting aspect of the whole thing.

The last meeting the Pope had before announcing his 'retirement' was with the Knights of Malta. He skipped a funeral for a bishop he was supposed to attend at the last minute in order to attend the meeting.

/just puttin' that out there


I'd like to think there weren't any creepyass secret societies with power out there but knowing people there probably are.
 
2013-02-22 04:20:30 PM

Magorn: Okay first things first: I am Catholic, and i've been "wired in" to church poltics through various friends for a long time so let me just say this to this part of TFA:
The Vatican has a Velvet Mafia - and the Velvet Mafia is being blackmailed.The dossier alleges that a gay lobby exists within the Church, and has some sort of control on the careers of those in the Vatican.

OF COURSE there are a lot of Gay Priests, it's the lack of them recently that directly led to the pedophilia scandal.   Back before Stonewall, the celibacy of the priesthood offered a safe haven for those who found themselves horrified by their own sexuality, and a lot of "vocational callings" came from kids who were apalled to be sporting wood when changing witht he boys at thier all amle Catholic HS.  The church knew it and depnded on it to keep up the supply of priestly candiadtes , particularly in America where, as the Irish and Itallian immigrants moved into the solid middle class they stopped having such giant families and the tradition of "one for God" (ie having at least one child in every family take Holy orders) fell out of practice.

The whole mess the church is in right now is that since the 70's vocation have dried to a trickle in the US-where most parishes had three regular priests and a pastor back in the day, the current priestly shortage means that many of those churches now maybe get one full-time priest, and he's just as likely to be from Africa or Asia as to have grown up in the neighborhood these days.  Just like the US army during the gulf war, as recruitment dropped off the cliff, so did standards for enlistees.  Many of those pedophile priests would have been  washed out thanks to the rigorous psych screening the Church does on seminarians.  Now however, a lot of the sail right through.  It's not totally clear to me whether they just stopped screening, or if they KNOW but figure since the guy is taking a VOW of celibacy that he'll be fine no matter how twisted he is (and b ...


So you're saying that all the Irish priests just did it for the lulz?
 
2013-02-22 04:21:08 PM
CSB?
I was raised Catholic, I was an altar boy, and I was really into my Catholicism.  I also worked at my church a few nights per week while in HS stuffing bulletins, answering phones, and doing other secretarial stuff.  I lost the faith my senior year*, and only occasionally feel the tinge of Catholic guilt.

Our pastor was gay, into gay porn, and into trading gay porn.  It all came out when the diocese held some sort of internal investigation.  Visting priests would come around and swap gay porn.  I don't know what else they did.

Anyway the whole point of this is that when all this came out, I guess what was discovered (or at least speculated), was that the church actively recruited gay men into the clergy, because the celibacy that came with the cloth would prevent them from the abomination of homosexual acts.  I suppose this is all speculation but it makes sense to me.  The gay porn priest at my parish was in the Marine Core during Vietnam, and came back utterly confused.
/CSB

/no, he never touched me.  nice enough guy, but kind of an asshole to the "teen workers" when we didn't do some menial secretarial shiat right.
//once I was alter-serving for confirmation and the Bishop told me I had the calling.  Scary.

*I lost the faith completely and instantaneously.  It was the Sunday morning after the Saturday night that I lost my virginity.  I was sitting on the alter looking out into the congregation during the Homily as the (above) priest was going on about the abhorrence of abortion, euthanasia, the death penalty, and... contraception.  Having just committed the ultimate sin the night before, I was feeling pretty shiatty until I looked out into the congregation to observe everyone nodding in agreement with him and noticed each family had one, or maybe two children.  Never stopped having sex since.  Sex is awesome.
 
2013-02-22 04:23:00 PM
Godfather 3 came out 23 years ago.
 
2013-02-22 04:23:39 PM

Magorn: Okay first things first: I am Catholic, and i've been "wired in" to church poltics through various friends for a long time so let me just say this to this part of TFA:
The Vatican has a Velvet Mafia - and the Velvet Mafia is being blackmailed.The dossier alleges that a gay lobby exists within the Church, and has some sort of control on the careers of those in the Vatican.

OF COURSE there are a lot of Gay Priests, it's the lack of them recently that directly led to the pedophilia scandal.   Back before Stonewall, the celibacy of the priesthood offered a safe haven for those who found themselves horrified by their own sexuality, and a lot of "vocational callings" came from kids who were apalled to be sporting wood when changing witht he boys at thier all amle Catholic HS.  The church knew it and depnded on it to keep up the supply of priestly candiadtes , particularly in America where, as the Irish and Itallian immigrants moved into the solid middle class they stopped having such giant families and the tradition of "one for God" (ie having at least one child in every family take Holy orders) fell out of practice.

The whole mess the church is in right now is that since the 70's vocation have dried to a trickle in the US-where most parishes had three regular priests and a pastor back in the day, the current priestly shortage means that many of those churches now maybe get one full-time priest, and he's just as likely to be from Africa or Asia as to have grown up in the neighborhood these days.  Just like the US army during the gulf war, as recruitment dropped off the cliff, so did standards for enlistees.  Many of those pedophile priests would have been  washed out thanks to the rigorous psych screening the Church does on seminarians.  Now however, a lot of the sail right through.  It's not totally clear to me whether they just stopped screening, or if they KNOW but figure since the guy is taking a VOW of celibacy that he'll be fine no matter how twisted he is (and b ...


Agreed.  Echoes my post.
 
2013-02-22 04:23:56 PM
Aside from Sophia Coppola's bad acting, I actually enjoyed most of "Godfather part 3"

I think the critics focused too much on her acting (or lack there of) and the fact that it wasnt "Godfather part 2".

So yeah, there is too much hate for "Godfather 3". Just sayin!
 
2013-02-22 04:28:27 PM

Magorn: the celibacy of the priesthood offered a safe haven for those who found themselves horrified by their own sexuality


I find it more likely it was used as cover for those who wanted to do evil deeds, like all the serial killers and such who enjoy the image of being Church going and god-fearing. Pure evil is more skilled at appearing good than actual good people.

But to tie in my previous comment with all this sexual stuff, Jimmy Saville was a Knight of Malta, and perhaps with him being exposed as a pedophile the investigation led back to the Vatican, and this 'Velvet Mafia' is in fact the Knights of Malta.

/sometimes i hope i'm wrong because i don't want them to send people after me
 
2013-02-22 04:29:27 PM

Therion: So priests being gay with each other is considered worse than priests buggering altar boys?

Nice Church you have there, be a shame if something were to happen to it.


I suspect that they look on pedophilia as a mental sickness, while gayness is just a straight up sin.
 
2013-02-22 04:30:39 PM
Female and married clergy will definitely ruin the gay sex parties.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-02-22 04:31:41 PM

Magorn: Okay first things first: I am Catholic, and i've been "wired in" to church poltics through various friends for a long time so let me just say this to this part of TFA:
The Vatican has a Velvet Mafia - and the Velvet Mafia is being blackmailed.The dossier alleges that a gay lobby exists within the Church, and has some sort of control on the careers of those in the Vatican.

OF COURSE there are a lot of Gay Priests, it's the lack of them recently that directly led to the pedophilia scandal.   Back before Stonewall, the celibacy of the priesthood offered a safe haven for those who found themselves horrified by their own sexuality, and a lot of "vocational callings" came from kids who were apalled to be sporting wood when changing witht he boys at thier all amle Catholic HS.  The church knew it and depnded on it to keep up the supply of priestly candiadtes , particularly in America where, as the Irish and Itallian immigrants moved into the solid middle class they stopped having such giant families and the tradition of "one for God" (ie having at least one child in every family take Holy orders) fell out of practice.


For hundreds of years the priesthood has been the place for Catholic parents to dump gay sons.  It's kind of the only place they had to go.  Of course there is a "velvet mafia" in the church.  It probably goes back centuries.
 
2013-02-22 04:32:07 PM

Nabb1: My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Pope Benedict pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious.


Thank you, Simone.
 
2013-02-22 04:34:35 PM
I thought it was pretty well known that the Vatican is run by gay priests.
 
2013-02-22 04:35:35 PM
Godfather III was easily the best of the trilogy.
 
2013-02-22 04:36:55 PM
Gay clergy sex parties are actually pretty believable coming from the Catholic church.
 
2013-02-22 04:38:18 PM
Every conspiracy theory is false. There is no criminality at the highest levels. Just look around: everything is going swimmingly.
 
2013-02-22 04:40:16 PM
i47.tinypic.com
 
2013-02-22 04:43:07 PM

Nabb1: thornhill: Eh, I think the most likely explanation is that he wants to be able to have some influence over his successors so he can insure that his policies will live on for many more years. Even Popes think about how to best preserve their legacy.

But that explanation is no fun to speculate about.

And, ultimately, I hope untrue since I think the Church needs to go in a different direction, and even then, it probably wouldn't matter since the College of Cardinals is loaded with people he more or less hand picked.


Based on what I've heard, the only potential change that might happen is a non-European Pope decentralizing some of the control Rome has over the rest of the world, granting Churches in South America and Africa more autonomy.
 
2013-02-22 04:44:08 PM
Taking religion seriously = psychosis

Teaching religion to children = child abuse.


The end.
 
2013-02-22 04:46:31 PM
I feel obliged to point out that McCain was actually quite tactful, since he wasn't talking to his wife.

In his 1992 Senate bid, McCain was joined on the campaign trail by his wife, Cindy, as well as campaign aide Doug Cole and consultant Wes Gullett. At one point, Cindy playfully twirled McCain's hair and said, "You're getting a little thin up there." McCain's face reddened, and he responded, "At least I don't plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you c--t."

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/McCain_temper_boiled_over_in_92_0407.h tm l
 
2013-02-22 04:46:57 PM

Sir Not Sure The Unscannable: It's 2013 and people still care about homosexuality enough for the media to focus on it... People, I am disappoint.

/if you want good conspiracies, follow the money, not the abuse


Nah, we need to tie in the Russian meteor, lizard people, and Barack Obama's Kenyan birth certificate somehow.
 
2013-02-22 04:47:25 PM

rufus-t-firefly: I feel obliged to point out that McCain was actually quite tactful, since he wasn't talking to his wife.

In his 1992 Senate bid, McCain was joined on the campaign trail by his wife, Cindy, as well as campaign aide Doug Cole and consultant Wes Gullett. At one point, Cindy playfully twirled McCain's hair and said, "You're getting a little thin up there." McCain's face reddened, and he responded, "At least I don't plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you c--t."

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/McCain_temper_boiled_over_in_92_0407.h tm l


WRONG GODDAMN THREAD.

/sorry
 
2013-02-22 04:47:49 PM
This guy was elected pope and accepted by Catholics despite everyone knowing the role he played in covering up the Church's sex scandals. Whatever got him to resign has to be huge. Like, he was diddling altar boys in line at the Vatican Bank to cash forged checks from the Mafia while making prank phone calls to the widows of 9/11.
 
2013-02-22 04:50:19 PM
There were two things I loved about The Godfather III - the papal subplot, because I think that's an interesting part of recent history, and the fact that Connie turned out to be the most vicious member of the Corleone family.
 
2013-02-22 04:50:35 PM
Did somebody find out about the noon orgies in St. Peter's Square? I thought that, at least, would stay a secret.
 
2013-02-22 04:51:34 PM

rufus-t-firefly: rufus-t-firefly: I feel obliged to point out that McCain was actually quite tactful, since he wasn't talking to his wife.

In his 1992 Senate bid, McCain was joined on the campaign trail by his wife, Cindy, as well as campaign aide Doug Cole and consultant Wes Gullett. At one point, Cindy playfully twirled McCain's hair and said, "You're getting a little thin up there." McCain's face reddened, and he responded, "At least I don't plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you c--t."

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/McCain_temper_boiled_over_in_92_0407.h tm l

WRONG GODDAMN THREAD.

/sorry


That's fine, I got a laugh out of it.
 
2013-02-22 05:01:13 PM
Eh, the church has been covering up shiat forever and has been corrupt for centuries.

My Dad's childhood parish had a priest that banged all the lonely housewives in the neighborhood and then ran off with a 16 year old girl he taught at the Catholic High School. They also had a nun and priest run off together.

You're can't tell people to not have sex AND not masturbate and have them come out normal.
 
2013-02-22 05:02:52 PM
No one saw Godfather III.
 
2013-02-22 05:04:25 PM

Rev. Skarekroe: There were two things I loved about The Godfather III - the papal subplot, because I think that's an interesting part of recent history, and the fact that Connie turned out to be the most vicious member of the Corleone family.


I thought that was one of the worst parts -- a total 180 from what her character was in GF1 and GF2.
 
2013-02-22 05:05:32 PM

swahnhennessy: This guy was elected pope and accepted by Catholics despite everyone knowing the role he played in covering up the Church's sex scandals. Whatever got him to resign has to be huge. Like, he was diddling altar boys in line at the Vatican Bank to cash forged checks from the Mafia while making prank phone calls to the widows of 9/11.


Or, it could be that he's much more ill than they're letting on. When they let it slip that he's blind in one eye, I wondered if that "fall" in Mexico City was in fact a stroke. He looks suddenly much much older than he did even last year, and a bad stroke--or series of strokes--could have done it. This sudden decision to resign could be from a man who has suddenly felt the icy finger of death upon him.
 
2013-02-22 05:07:24 PM
Rotten to the core.  The mere fact that Benedict was chosen to lead the church after masterminding over a decade of sex abuse cover-ups shows how morally bankrupt the priesthood has become.   http://www.hbo.com/documentaries/mea-maxima-culpa/synopsis.html prov ides a good summary of his role in protecting pedophile priests, all against the backdrop of an unfortunately typical case of defenseless kids being raped for decades while the church turned a puposefully blind eye.
 
2013-02-22 05:11:30 PM
I like that he has a pacemaker.  God designed him a bit faulty, and instead of following God's will and perhaps dying naturally, he gives him the finger and gets a mechanical device to keep him alive.  The hypocrisy in the church is endless.
 
2013-02-22 05:11:56 PM

Rev. Skarekroe: There were two things I loved about The Godfather III - the papal subplot, because I think that's an interesting part of recent history, and the fact that Connie turned out to be the most vicious member of the Corleone family.


Couldn't have said it better myself. They could have made a movie about Connie running things and it would have been GREAT!
 
2013-02-22 05:18:23 PM

j0e_average: Taking religion seriously = psychosis

Teaching religion to children = child abuse.


Millions of happy, well adjusted Mormons disagree with you.

Celibacy was never intended to be part of the priesthood.  That is one of the major screw-ups of 4th century Latin Rite Catholicism. The priesthood was intended to be part of every family.
 
2013-02-22 05:21:24 PM

stevetherobot: I thought it was pretty well known that the Vatican is run by gay priests.


Silly Steve, pedophiles aren't really gay.
 
2013-02-22 05:38:02 PM

ISO15693: j0e_average: Taking religion seriously = psychosis

Teaching religion to children = child abuse.

Millions of happy, well adjusted Mormons disagree with you.

Celibacy was never intended to be part of the priesthood.  That is one of the major screw-ups of 4th century Latin Rite Catholicism. The priesthood was intended to be part of every family.


Being happy and well adjusted does not mean a person is rational or reasonable.
 
2013-02-22 05:44:20 PM
Each time he tries to come out of the closet they keep pushing him back in.
 
2013-02-22 05:45:27 PM
It's pretty obvious he's stepping down because of something illegal or embarrassing up and not because he's 'tired' or whatever crap they're saying.

I hope they elect another Nazi.
 
2013-02-22 05:47:42 PM

ISO15693: j0e_average: Taking religion seriously = psychosis

Teaching religion to children = child abuse.

Millions of happy, well adjusted Mormons disagree with you.

Celibacy was never intended to be part of the priesthood.  That is one of the major screw-ups of 4th century Latin Rite Catholicism. The priesthood was intended to be part of every family.


Might want look a little harder for a religion approaching anything like rational.

Dum dum dum dum dum.
 
2013-02-22 06:10:07 PM
The part about there being gay prostitutes running around the Vatican is true. It was discovered on Italian police wiretap years ago and reported in papers. I don't think this is why the Pope resigned.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/mar/04/vatican-gay-sex-scandal
 
2013-02-22 06:26:52 PM

The_Fuzz: I like that he has a pacemaker.  God designed him a bit faulty, and instead of following God's will and perhaps dying naturally, he gives him the finger and gets a mechanical device to keep him alive.  The hypocrisy in the church is endless.


He's Catholic, not a Christian Scientist...
 
2013-02-22 06:36:31 PM
yall got some of that fake poo?
 
2013-02-22 06:59:02 PM

thornhill: Eh, I think the most likely explanation is that he wants to be able to have some influence over his successors so he can insure that his policies will live on for many more years. Even Popes think about how to best preserve their legacy.


JPII spent years packing the college of Cardinals with hard-liners, of whom Ratzinger was Thug Number One. Even if there had been time to change the general approach of the group, Bennie wouldn't have wanted to do so.
 
2013-02-22 07:01:06 PM
I must have missed something - when did a well reported money laundering scandal and gross financial mismanagement suddenly become a conspiracy theory?

He's being asked to step aside because the $29M the Sicilian Mafia gave him to fluff and fold has gone missing.
 
2013-02-22 07:06:40 PM

shortymac: You're can't tell people to not have sex AND not masturbate and have them come out normal.


If they want priests to stop having sex they should allow them to get married. It works for everyone else.
 
2013-02-22 07:10:16 PM

trippdogg: I must have missed something - when did a well reported money laundering scandal and gross financial mismanagement suddenly become a conspiracy theory?

He's being asked to step aside because the $29M the Sicilian Mafia gave him to fluff and fold has gone missing.


Anything people just now noticed is a "conspiracy" of vast, dire, and epic proportions. You know, like the fact the FBI has been listening to our cell phone conversations for 20 years and never bothered to hide it but someone just now wrote an article on it so it's all a big scandal.

If people don't pay attention, it's the criminals' fault that they weren't even MORE obvious, I guess.
 
2013-02-22 07:29:02 PM

ISO15693: j0e_average: Taking religion seriously = psychosis

Teaching religion to children = child abuse.

Millions of happy, well adjusted Mormons disagree with you.

Celibacy was never intended to be part of the priesthood.  That is one of the major screw-ups of 4th century Latin Rite Catholicism. The priesthood was intended to be part of every family.


There is no such thing as a well adjusted Mormon every one I have ever talked to has been incredibly farked up
 
2013-02-22 07:33:34 PM

ISO15693: j0e_average: Taking religion seriously = psychosis

Teaching religion to children = child abuse.

Millions of happy, well adjusted Mormons disagree with you.

Celibacy was never intended to be part of the priesthood.  That is one of the major screw-ups of 4th century Latin Rite Catholicism. The priesthood was intended to be part of every family.


Pope Adrian II (867-872) and his wife might have a bit of a problem with your dates.  Gregory VII mandated clerical celibacy in the eleventh century as part of a Church land and holdings grab.
 
2013-02-22 07:52:55 PM

stevetherobot: Therion: So priests being gay with each other is considered worse than priests buggering altar boys?

Nice Church you have there, be a shame if something were to happen to it.

I suspect that they look on pedophilia as a mental sickness, while gayness is just a straight up sin.


I suspect they look on pedophilia as a candy, while gayness is just a straight up entree.
 
2013-02-22 08:02:15 PM
i want a child to rape
 
2013-02-22 08:42:26 PM
I'm confused. If there's a big secret gay faction controlling the church at the highest level, then why is the church so anti-gay? I don't see how that is in the big secret gay faction's best interest. This sounds like "gay agenda" bullshiat meant to further demonize homosexuality. The implication is that it's not the obvious evil douchebags who allowed pedophilia to happen, but a secret (very important, so that guilt can be fobbed off on someone who can never be found) GAY (because eeeeevil, and also some self-loathing) faction. It's like blaming the Rosicurians or the Knights Templar or aliens. Also "the devil made me do it" has lost its cachet and they know it.

If there really was a "velvet mafia" with the kind of power they're hinting at in the article, in the largest, most influential organization in the world, with an infallible representative of God for a mouthpiece, you'd think they'd have done what was obviously in their best interest and issued a papal bull declaring homosexuality FABULOUS.
 
2013-02-22 09:01:31 PM
 
2013-02-22 09:14:19 PM

ruta: I'm confused. If there's a big secret gay faction controlling the church at the highest level, then why is the church so anti-gay?


I can only speculate but:

1. Because same-sex relationships don't generally lead to spawning more Catholics.

2. They're pandering to a socially-conservative rank-and-file.

3. There are plenty of historic examples where an aristocracy or political elite that publicly condemned homosexuality actually condoned it when practiced by their own.  The leadership of Hitler's SA is one example I can think of.  There are also a number of Republican politicians who have been caught with a "wide stance", to the point where it's a running gag on Fark and elsewhere.
 
2013-02-22 09:51:48 PM

DS1970: Never mention that movie again.  Sophia should have been aborted.


Naw, She directed "Lost in Translation" so she is fine, despite her stint in "Godfather 3"
 
2013-02-22 10:41:30 PM

eyeq360: They said that Pope John Paul I was killed off due to him proposing radical changes to the Vatican, as in selling off the assets the Vatican owned.  A group called P2 poisoned him, then killed off Roberto Calvi by faking his suicide.


www.fashionrat.com

"They talk a lot don't they?"
 
2013-02-22 11:27:52 PM
www.global-air.com

On August 26, 1978, Cardinal Albino Luciani was elected Pope, taking the name John Paul I. 33 days later he was dead. Was the murder plot in ''Godfather Part III'' true? (new window)
 
2013-02-23 01:02:15 AM
Benedict is resigning because he's got Alzheimer's disease
 
2013-02-23 01:08:12 AM

Slaves2Darkness: So, the Pope is Gay.


The dresses and pretty red shoes aren't gay.  They're merely flamboyant.
 
2013-02-23 01:18:45 AM

oakleym82: CSB?
I was raised Catholic, I was an altar boy, and I was really into my Catholicism.  I also worked at my church a few nights per week while in HS stuffing bulletins, answering phones, and doing other secretarial stuff.  I lost the faith my senior year*, and only occasionally feel the tinge of Catholic guilt.

Our pastor was gay, into gay porn, and into trading gay porn.  It all came out when the diocese held some sort of internal investigation.  Visting priests would come around and swap gay porn.  I don't know what else they did.

Anyway the whole point of this is that when all this came out, I guess what was discovered (or at least speculated), was that the church actively recruited gay men into the clergy, because the celibacy that came with the cloth would prevent them from the abomination of homosexual acts.  I suppose this is all speculation but it makes sense to me.  The gay porn priest at my parish was in the Marine Core during Vietnam, and came back utterly confused.
/CSB

/no, he never touched me.  nice enough guy, but kind of an asshole to the "teen workers" when we didn't do some menial secretarial shiat right.
//once I was alter-serving for confirmation and the Bishop told me I had the calling.  Scary.

*I lost the faith completely and instantaneously.  It was the Sunday morning after the Saturday night that I lost my virginity.  I was sitting on the alter looking out into the congregation during the Homily as the (above) priest was going on about the abhorrence of abortion, euthanasia, the death penalty, and... contraception.  Having just committed the ultimate sin the night before, I was feeling pretty shiatty until I looked out into the congregation to observe everyone nodding in agreement with him and noticed each family had one, or maybe two children.  Never stopped having sex since.  Sex is awesome.


You quit because you couldn't hide your hairy palms any longer?  I've heard worse.
 
2013-02-23 05:40:13 AM
everything gay is funny.  that's why "gay" is the new form of humor.  love it!!
 
2013-02-23 05:45:05 AM

mafiageek1980: Aside from Sophia Coppola's bad acting, I actually enjoyed most of "Godfather part 3"

I think the critics focused too much on her acting (or lack there of) and the fact that it wasnt "Godfather part 2".

So yeah, there is too much hate for "Godfather 3". Just sayin!


It wasn't a bad flick. I mean, it wasn't up to the standards of "Mad Max 2", or "Pee Wee's Big Adventure", but, umm, well, it had Pacino!
 
2013-02-23 10:25:43 AM

thornhill: Rev. Skarekroe:

There were two things I loved about The Godfather III - the papal subplot, because I think that's an interesting part of recent history, and the fact that Connie turned out to be the most vicious member of the Corleone family.

I thought that was one of the worst parts -- a total 180 from what her character was in GF1 and GF2.


She became middle aged. That can do strange things to anybody's character. Mine for example: I used to be a horny pervert.
 
2013-02-23 10:48:19 AM

ISO15693: j0e_average:

Taking religion seriously = psychosis

Teaching religion to children = child abuse.

Millions of happy, well adjusted Mormons disagree with you.


Uh-huh. Have you heard about Marie Osmond's kids?


Celibacy was never intended to be part of the priesthood.  That is one of the major screw-ups of 4th century Latin Rite Catholicism. The priesthood was intended to be part of every family.

Now the question is whether there are any heterosexual-but-celibate Roman Catholic priests that fit the current ideal.

Incidentally, I saw a movie about priestly vampires a while back but can't remember thew name so I can't find it among the zillions of other vampire movies. And no it's not "Priest (2011)." The plot is there's an priestly order of vampires that live on the blood of volunteers who donate as a religious ritual, but the order is dying out because there are no new vampires being made, and a renegade priest starts preying on unwilling humans so another vampire priest has to hunt him down, and at the end there's a vampire baby born. URL please?
 
2013-02-23 11:54:21 AM
So, when is the Dan Brown novel coming out?..
 
2013-02-23 11:57:37 AM

buster_v: Godfather 3 came out 23 years ago.


(fnord)
 
2013-02-23 12:59:39 PM

j0e_average: Taking religion seriously = psychosis

Teaching religion to children = child abuse.


The end.


but in order to take religion seriously you have to be homosexual
 
2013-02-23 07:20:50 PM

FloridaWombat: ISO15693: j0e_average: Taking religion seriously = psychosis

Teaching religion to children = child abuse.

Millions of happy, well adjusted Mormons disagree with you.

Celibacy was never intended to be part of the priesthood.  That is one of the major screw-ups of 4th century Latin Rite Catholicism. The priesthood was intended to be part of every family.

Pope Adrian II (867-872) and his wife might have a bit of a problem with your dates.  Gregory VII mandated clerical celibacy in the eleventh century as part of a Church land and holdings grab.


The Council of Elvira (306) is often seen as the first to issue a written regulation requiring clergy to abstain from sexual intercourse. Its canon 33 decreed: "Bishops, presbyters, deacons, and others with a position in the ministry are to abstain completely from sexual intercourse with their wives and from the procreation of children. If anyone disobeys, he shall be removed from the clerical office."

Before that, most priests were married.

/not arguing with you, just pointing this out.
 
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