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2013-02-22 07:51:26 PM

cman: Politics indeed

/BTW, thinking of switching to techno-socialism as my political viewpoints. Any thoughts?


Nobody gives a fark about you or your ideology, you narcissistic prick.

/troll more
//love you
 
2013-02-22 07:55:18 PM

BunkoSquad: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Just like in 2012, the GOP is writing the DNC's ads for them.

Guess they didn't need any female votes in 2014/16

The GOP "voter ID" platform for the next election: women need 3 forms of photo ID (one topless), and either a notarized permission slip from their husband or a doctor's note certifying an intact hymen.


How are they going to have an intact hymen after all the trans-vaginal ultrasounds the GOP will require for voting?
 
2013-02-22 08:06:55 PM

fusillade762: BunkoSquad: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Just like in 2012, the GOP is writing the DNC's ads for them.

Guess they didn't need any female votes in 2014/16

The GOP "voter ID" platform for the next election: women need 3 forms of photo ID (one topless), and either a notarized permission slip from their husband or a doctor's note certifying an intact hymen.

How are they going to have an intact hymen after all the trans-vaginal ultrasounds the GOP will require for voting?


Because Jesus.
 
2013-02-22 08:12:05 PM

fusillade762: BunkoSquad: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Just like in 2012, the GOP is writing the DNC's ads for them.

Guess they didn't need any female votes in 2014/16

The GOP "voter ID" platform for the next election: women need 3 forms of photo ID (one topless), and either a notarized permission slip from their husband or a doctor's note certifying an intact hymen.

How are they going to have an intact hymen after all the trans-vaginal ultrasounds the GOP will require for voting?


Let me mansplain this to you, little missie.  Only whores try to vote.  If they cared about their hymens they would stay home working on their needlepoint like good girls.  Instead, they end up legs spread on the teacher's desk the first time they need a passing grade (trust me on this, I've seen documentaries on the subject).  So, they can hardly complain when they end up with an ultrasound probe confirming their eligibility to vote, and then reconfirming it after they vote.  And then again, six months later.
 
2013-02-22 08:15:52 PM
I...ah...y-..ho...Nevermind.
 
2013-02-22 08:18:16 PM

cman: cman: KiltedBastich: cman: Politics indeed

/BTW, thinking of switching to techno-socialism as my political viewpoints. Any thoughts?

Let me see if I understand what you mean, socialism facilitated by technology in order to avoid or curtail the kind of excesses, intrusions and abuses that traditional bureaucratic socialism fosters? Please elaborate if I am in error.

I am quite willing to discuss the idea, but I want to first make sure I understand what you are asking. No point in debating the topic if we end up misunderstanding each other's positions.

Capitalism will end when scarcity ends. However, right now, we are in a world of scarcity, which is what makes capitalism work for now. The idea is to usher in Socialism via technological advancement.

God damn autocorrect

Fixt


We are already treading on post-scarcity. Or rather, we are artificially creating scarcity of goods where none exits. We waste somewhere between 30% to half of all food made, either in production, distribution or at the point of consumption. Much of our energy scarcity is because we insist on using absurdly inefficient or antiquated means of transportation and living in suburbs. Also our distribution grid is a nightmare. Oh, and why haven't we gone full nuke yet? Most of our manufactured goods are coming out of China where ... people are cheaper to use to assemble than actually building a modern factory using robotics and automation. And the Chinese burn coal for those factories. So it goes.

Also, wealthy folks are trading in the market vast amounts of shares by the millisecond - it's crazy. But if our computational ability can already project curves in the stock market - why can't they project actual trends in the *real* market? The Soviets sucked at predicting demand, and the necessary production, but what if it could be done - by machine?

Finally: The Culture. Know it. Love it. Or not.
 
2013-02-22 08:34:43 PM
I mean, lesbian on lesbian domestic violence is considered sexy by most men, why would we want to prevent it?  Besides, what's the worst they're really going to do to each other while their cats are watching?
 
2013-02-22 08:45:31 PM

KiltedBastich: cman: Politics indeed

/BTW, thinking of switching to techno-socialism as my political viewpoints. Any thoughts?

Let me see if I understand what you mean, socialism facilitated by technology in order to avoid or curtail the kind of excesses, intrusions and abuses that traditional bureaucratic socialism fosters? Please elaborate if I am in error.

I am quite willing to discuss the idea, but I want to first make sure I understand what you are asking. No point in debating the topic if we end up misunderstanding each other's positions.


I think he just wants to get with technoviking.
 
2013-02-22 08:51:14 PM
Ftfa: Specifically, the bill removes "sexual orientation" and "gender identity" from the list of underserved populations who face barriers to accessing victim services, thereby disqualifying LGBT victims from a related grant program.

I'm not sure what to think about this. On the surface, it sounds sexist, but how can it be sexist to deny special funding for female victims of domestic violence... by other females? Where, in a heterosexual setting, the man is generally always assumed to be in the wrong, things aren't so simple in these cases. In fact, both women can claim to be "victims". Can somebody enlighten me on this?
 
2013-02-22 08:56:14 PM

HAMMERTOE: Can somebody enlighten me on this?


Sure.  The republicans are doing exactly what you'd expect a group that has been bought out by evangelical extremists who value profit over scruples.
 
2013-02-22 08:56:42 PM
They want to leave violence against Native American women to the tribal courts. I see no problem with that. It increases the autonomy of the tribes, no?
 
2013-02-22 08:59:56 PM
Oh, another VAWA thread...I wonder if there's a bunch of uninformed whiners babbling about mens' rights.

*scans thread*

...yup

Carry on, dipshiats
 
2013-02-22 09:00:35 PM

Doktor_Zhivago: So can I rape you?  Since it's apparently not such a big deal...


Reading comprehension fail. He means that rape and/or violence against a tribal member by a non-tribal member is not a big deal according to the Federal police. Which is depressing but completely true.
 
2013-02-22 09:07:52 PM

HAMMERTOE: I'm not sure what to think about this. On the surface, it sounds sexist, but how can it be sexist to deny special funding for female victims of domestic violence... by other females? Where, in a heterosexual setting, the man is generally always assumed to be in the wrong, things aren't so simple in these cases. In fact, both women can claim to be "victims". Can somebody enlighten me on this?


Often both people are abusers and victims in a long term violent relationship, regardless of orientation and gender configurations.  No one denies this, but it pretty easy to determine who the most frequent or violent instigator is.  By removing the sexual orientation thing as an underserved population, you're also removing funding for programs that help homosexual men find treatment and resources.  Would you agree that men are an underserved population in DV cases? Homosexual men, doubly so.  Transgendered populations may be overlooked entirely.  It's not just women kicking around women.
 
2013-02-22 09:16:35 PM

Vodka Zombie: Keep it up, Republicans.  Sure, it would be much better for America if you allowed your mentally challenged party to die with feeble little whimper, but, if you insist on going out in a spectacular fireball, I don't think anyone's going to stop you.


...I'm more interested in kicking them into their grave.  This sort of grease fire is the type that's apt to burn down the entire neighborhood.
 
2013-02-22 09:19:17 PM

Fluorescent Testicle: Doktor_Zhivago: So can I rape you?  Since it's apparently not such a big deal...

Reading comprehension fail. He means that rape and/or violence against a tribal member by a non-tribal member is not a big deal according to the Federal police. Which is depressing but completely true.


Damnit.  I get drunk and start posting in politics and then I end up look like a retard.....

4.bp.blogspot.com
"I'm here to talk about rape"
 
2013-02-22 09:22:33 PM

give me doughnuts: Looks as if they left stuff in for Native American women, subs.

Of course, they could be included under the rest of the bill if you wanted to strip the last bits of sovereingty away from the Native Americans. After all, what's one more treaty broken.


...if they're going to use that sovereignty to set up scam casinos and "financial" institutions (Western Scam Financial expects you to pay back $60,000 on a $10,000 loan), then they either need to be treated like a totally separate country or be treated as totally American.
 
2013-02-22 09:24:08 PM
Yes, because when you're drafting legislation to protect women you must exclude a group that, by definition, can only contain women(lesbians) and a group of women that historically has been farked over for decades(native americans).
 
2013-02-22 09:33:32 PM

IlGreven: ...if they're going to use that sovereignty to set up scam casinos and "financial" institutions (Western Scam Financial expects you to pay back $60,000 on a $10,000 loan), then they either need to be treated like a totally separate country or be treated as totally American.


They arguably sound more American than Americans. That's pure capitalism.
 
2013-02-22 09:40:32 PM

TerminalEchoes: They want to leave violence against Native American women to the tribal courts. I see no problem with that. It increases the autonomy of the tribes, no?


It's always a good idea to read the thread before you comment. I'll repeat what I wrote above: tribal courts have very limited jurisdiction in criminal matters, and none at all when the alleged perpetrator is non-Indian. The proposed legislation would cede jurisdiction to the tribal courts in cases of domestic violence occurring in Indian country, even if the defendant is a non-Indian.
 
2013-02-22 09:45:23 PM

Jeff_Reisberg: The "Violence against women act" is a horrible idea on the face of it.

including.... "protected groups" would just make it worse.


When you make inflammatory statements without so much as a speck of supporting argument, it hardly seems trolly at all.
 
2013-02-22 09:45:24 PM
SSDD.
 
2013-02-22 09:56:06 PM
Under the Senate bill, tribal courts would gain new authority to prosecute non-Native American men who abuse Native American women on reservations.


I don't know... a separate but equal judicial system doesn't sound right for some reason....
 
2013-02-22 10:11:42 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: These sick farks NEVER LEARN, do they?


You'd be surprised to learn what's in that despicable bill.
 
2013-02-22 10:20:07 PM
In other words, the GOP doesn't believe in subdividing everyone into squabbling factions and encouraging them to nurse their grievances. If you're going to try to do something to address violence, make it apply to everybody.
 
2013-02-22 10:30:07 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Oh, another VAWA thread...I wonder if there's a bunch of uninformed whiners babbling about mens' rights.

*scans thread*

...yup

Carry on, dipshiats


Hey, I'm trying to get a popular uprising started to get ENDA through the Senate. If you join up, we could break out the torches and pitchforks!
 
2013-02-22 10:35:12 PM

Jeff_Reisberg: The "Violence against women act" is a horrible idea on the face of it.

including.... "protected groups" would just make it worse.


Jeff_Reisberg: (favorite: "Women are interchangeable commodities")

I should probably change that to 'disgusting shiatstain', but that quote sums it up real damn well.
 
2013-02-22 10:35:37 PM

utahraptor2: You'd be surprised to learn what's in that despicable bill.


Huh, now that's a blast from the past. It's been so long since the last time I saw this alt that I'd cleared it off my ignore list.
 
2013-02-22 10:39:00 PM
What I want to know is, should I wait to pick up my ObamaPhone(TM)  and schedule an experimental Transgender Surgery using my ObamaCare trangender surgery voucher(TM) in order to enter into a dangerously violent lesbian relationship with a Native American until the next Congressional session, or should go ahead?
 
2013-02-22 10:42:00 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: These sick farks NEVER LEARN, do they?


What's there to learn? Assault and battery is already a crime. This is just political grandstanding and a waste of taxpayers' money.
 
2013-02-22 10:42:27 PM
So, Republicans are assholes.  Tell us something we don't already know.
 
2013-02-22 10:43:03 PM

Doktor_Zhivago: Damnit.  I get drunk and start posting in politics and then I end up look like a retard.....


Hey, it's better to err on the side of being against rape than the Republicans' solution of erring on the side of being for rape. :P
 
2013-02-22 10:43:25 PM

wademh: What I want to know is, should I wait to pick up my ObamaPhone(TM)  and schedule an experimental Transgender Surgery using my ObamaCare trangender surgery voucher(TM) in order to enter into a dangerously violent lesbian relationship with a Native American until the next Congressional session, or should go ahead?


I was wondering the same thing and hoping the GOP would do something to guide me.
 
2013-02-22 10:52:19 PM

DrPainMD: Grand_Moff_Joseph: These sick farks NEVER LEARN, do they?

What's there to learn? Assault and battery is already a crime. This is just political grandstanding and a waste of taxpayers' money.


Then again, the bill is not about making things crimes so your point is about as useful as tits on a bull. It is about targeted crime prevention and victim assistance. So removing language that prevents groups from discriminating against some victims of assault because of sexual orientation would seem to be in antagonistic to the sentiments you project. After all, the point is to prevent people from treating some types of victims of assault as a separate class that can be discriminated against. You knew that, certainly, or else why would you have bothered to voice your opinion? But then your comment folds in on itself in a train-wreck of hypocrisy so who could really know what you mean.
 
2013-02-22 10:52:45 PM

wademh: What I want to know is, should I wait to pick up my ObamaPhone(TM)  and schedule an experimental Transgender Surgery using my ObamaCare trangender surgery voucher(TM) in order to enter into a dangerously violent lesbian relationship with a Native American until the next Congressional session, or should go ahead?


You DO know that the "Obamaphones" program actually started before he took office.  Right?
 
2013-02-22 10:57:15 PM

PsyLord: SSDD.


In a nutshell.

Or a nutsack.
 
2013-02-22 10:57:51 PM

Cpl.D: You DO know that the "Obamaphones" program actually started before he took office.  Right?


Remember, "Obamacare" was the Heritage Foundation's idea and the "Obamaquester" was Boehner's idea.

Time machines and all that.
 
2013-02-22 11:07:48 PM

Cpl.D: wademh: What I want to know is, should I wait to pick up my ObamaPhone(TM)  and schedule an experimental Transgender Surgery using my ObamaCare trangender surgery voucher(TM) in order to enter into a dangerously violent lesbian relationship with a Native American until the next Congressional session, or should go ahead?

You DO know that the "Obamaphones" program actually started before he took office.  Right?


My sincerest of apologies.  I was far too subtle for you to detect the thin veil of sarcasm. It's all my fault.
 
2013-02-22 11:34:00 PM
AKA the "Dykes and squaws are only asking for it" amendment.
 
2013-02-22 11:41:17 PM
I blame the stoopids, as usual.
 
2013-02-22 11:44:28 PM
the comments on vawa threads have convinced me that i no longer need to worry about anything ever again.

homelessness and eventual death by societal neglect here i come!
 
2013-02-23 12:13:50 AM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: cman: Politics indeed

/BTW, thinking of switching to techno-socialism as my political viewpoints. Any thoughts?

Cman: "You know what would really solve this problem?  A metric ton of UNTZ UNTZ UNTZ UNTZ UNTZ <the system, is down> UNTZ UNTZ UNTZ
Anyone else: "WTF, why would you do that?  you want more state control over..."
Cman: "I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of my WUBS!
Anyone else: Wubs?  What in the hell are those?
Cman:"They're from my bass cannon!  Haven't you heard of...oh, never mind.  Crank the congressional bass to 11!!"

*DJ cuts in* and that was Vinyl Scratch's latest hit, 'All my Feels - the Democratic Underground Mix'.  Up next is the latest mash-up from DJ Skinnyhead, 'Counting to Potato'.


2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-23 12:19:00 AM

PsiChick: Jeff_Reisberg: (favorite: "Women are interchangeable commodities")

I should probably change that to 'disgusting shiatstain', but that quote sums it up real damn well.


I just have him labeled as "New troll" since he's only been here for less than a month. Still trying to figure out whose alt he is.
 
2013-02-23 12:28:52 AM

fusillade762: PsiChick: Jeff_Reisberg: (favorite: "Women are interchangeable commodities")

I should probably change that to 'disgusting shiatstain', but that quote sums it up real damn well.

I just have him labeled as "New troll" since he's only been here for less than a month. Still trying to figure out whose alt he is.


I can't tell. He pisses me off, I know that, and TFA pisses me off anyway.

On the other hand, he might be great therapy. He's like a living caricature of a sexist to snap at. Might be fun.
 
2013-02-23 12:50:17 AM
Not seeing a problem here.

Problem 1.) Having read my fair share of legislation, the average voter, let alone citizen will only get to the title of the bill and either mock it for being unnecessary and ignorant OR cheer it because "duh, who the hell supports violence against women?"  Change the name of the damn bill, you would destroy 80% of he objections.Problem 2.) Find a way to have some kind of parity when it comes to how police treat the situation.  A woman can beat the hell out of a man for hours but if he pushes her off him his ass is going to jail.  Not only are claims by men not taken seriously, self defense will almost certainly result in at least a night in jail, regardless o the circumstances.
 
2013-02-23 12:56:14 AM
Republicans do deserve to lose over the dozens of brainless actions they have taken in the past few years.    I'm wondering if they will get to a point where they have less than 15% of the vote.  At that point Democrats will have a 1 party rule and may start fracturing over differing views.   So Republicans, please act a little more like your IQ is greater than 2 digits.
 
2013-02-23 12:58:39 AM

jigger: I better get in some good old fashion woman beating before this thing passes.


No worries; you can still do it after, as long as the women are lesbians.

/dnrtfa
 
2013-02-23 01:18:23 AM

wademh: What I want to know is, should I wait to pick up my ObamaPhone(TM)  and schedule an experimental Transgender Surgery using my ObamaCare trangender surgery voucher(TM) in order to enter into a dangerously violent lesbian relationship with a Native American until the next Congressional session, or should go ahead?


I think we all thought you already had the surgery -- you certainly act like you've got no balls.
 
2013-02-23 01:19:42 AM

KarmicDisaster: Why Native Americans? I can see their hate for lesbians because Jesus totally forgot to specifically mention that his teachings applied to them when he said that they applied to everyone, but what's the deal with the Indians?


They did run a Mormon for President last year.  Check out what the Mormons believe about Native Americans.
 
2013-02-23 01:20:16 AM

KarmicDisaster: Why Native Americans? I can see their hate for lesbians because Jesus totally forgot to specifically mention that his teachings applied to them when he said that they applied to everyone, but what's the deal with the Indians?


Funny, I read the House GOP objections to the Senate bill and they made sense. There is no reason to enumerate groups if the bill is directed at violence against women, or to allow tribal groups to discriminate against nontribal males without recourse to federal courts. In fact, the provision for native Americans would be unconstitutional if you changed it to apply to any ethnic group or one of the States.
 
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