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(CNN)   Next time you get into one of those "who's better, Army or Navy?" debates, remember that the Navy has Seal Team 6 and the Army has these guys   (cnn.com ) divider line
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2013-02-22 02:54:09 PM  
6 votes:
I see that some people think parachuting is a precise exercise.
2013-02-22 02:59:02 PM  
3 votes:
My Dad was in the Navy & Marines, during Harry Truman's shift... While both his boys ended up liberal arts majors, he cast one hell of a shadow.

/salute to all in the Armed Services
2013-02-22 02:50:47 PM  
3 votes:
When you jump off the ramp of a C-130 at night, and you are only 800 feet off the terrain, and you have a round chute, the only direction you are certain of going is down.

Also, when it is a training jump, and you are up a tall tree, you wait for people with climbing gear. Silly chances during training aren't worth taking. If it is a combat mission, then you and your squadmates will have to take care of it.
2013-02-22 02:34:24 PM  
3 votes:

Shostie: Wouldn't the Green Berets be a closer match to the SEALs?


Whatever, man. The green berets don't even know what color their berets are anymore.

Anyway, this is all a mute point. One highly trained soldier in the marine core is worth a dozen green berets.
2013-02-22 02:25:58 PM  
3 votes:
Lt. Col. Dangerfield claims Rangers get no respect.
2013-02-22 04:51:55 PM  
2 votes:

IRQ12: Military fanboyism is a large part of what is wrong with this country.


It's like .03% of what's wrong with this country.  Militarization of civilian police forces is a far bigger issue, and that's like 2% of what's wrong right now.  Don't even get me started on our f*cked political process, or our judicial system.  Taxes, corruption, health care, global politics, and public education are all bigger problems.  Hell, I can't think of too much that isn't.

Military fanboyism, my ass.
2013-02-22 03:58:53 PM  
2 votes:
Rangers are not equivalent to SEALS in the least,  submitter. For starters, they are not a Tier 1 Special Operations group under the command of USSOCOM, rather a regular unit of the US military designated to perform special missions. If you're wanting to compare the USNAVDEVGRU, Seal 6, with the army, you need to pull the First Special Operations Group, Detachment DELTA out of your hat.


They're pretty freakin' bad assed.

Of course, if you want to see people even more badassed than the SEALS or DELTA, you need to turn to the CIA's Special Activities Division, who exclusively recruit from Tier 1 organizations to do their work.
2013-02-22 03:18:39 PM  
2 votes:
Seal Team 6 Army equivalent would be Delta Force
2013-02-22 03:13:52 PM  
2 votes:

Pocket Ninja: Shostie: Wouldn't the Green Berets be a closer match to the SEALs?

Whatever, man. The green berets don't even know what color their berets are anymore.

Anyway, this is all a mute point. One highly trained soldier in the marine core is worth a dozen green berets.


Next time I go fishing, you're coming with me. That's some darn fine bait...
2013-02-22 03:05:27 PM  
2 votes:
Ranger are the army's SEAL team 6? Thanks for that bit of stupidity subby, I would've thought Delta but I'm more interested in facts than being a dick.
2013-02-22 03:05:22 PM  
2 votes:

Pocket Ninja: Anyway, this is all a mute point. One highly trained soldier in the marine core is worth a dozen green berets.


Moot
Soldiers are in the Army, Marines are in the Marine Corps.
Marine Corps, not Marine core.
Green Berets is capitalized.
2013-02-22 03:00:18 PM  
2 votes:
This guy had it worse.

www.gonemovies.com
2013-02-22 02:55:07 PM  
2 votes:
They are widely considered among the top in the U.S. military.

Until we started packing our most highly trained recon elite into Humvees to tool around the desert like any other grunt.   Military intelligence at its finest.
2013-02-22 02:31:41 PM  
2 votes:
So? Just don't start any wars where there might be trees.
2013-02-22 02:30:32 PM  
2 votes:
Wouldn't the Green Berets be a closer match to the SEALs?
2013-02-22 05:28:05 PM  
1 vote:
The amount of misinformation in this thread about SOF is mind boggling.
2013-02-22 05:20:52 PM  
1 vote:

Realist29: I personally know - that is right - I KNOW - SEAL's, Green Berets, and Force Recon Marines that have FAILED Ranger school. Try again Subby.


No you don't
2013-02-22 05:01:39 PM  
1 vote:

meanmutton: Fun fact: the special forces unit that flew the SEALs in and out were Night Stalkers, part of the Army.


160th SOAR. Fun fact, They were established in response to the clusterfark rescue attempt when Iran took our citizens hostage.
2013-02-22 04:45:05 PM  
1 vote:

maddogdelta: Great joke, Subby!

Now for a dose of reality...

Rangers a chosen from soldiers who have completed boot camp.  So, after a few months of boot camp, an 18-19 year old is then sent through 6 weeks (or so) of Ranger school, and is then dubbed a Ranger.

To become a SEAL, you go through boot camp, then through A school, so you know how to fix torpedoes, computers or radars.  Then, if selected, you go through BUDS, and upon completion of that training, you are considered a SEAL.

After being posted to your unit, you go through more training, and get several years worth of experience.  Then, if you are the top guy in your SEAL team, you might be good enough to apply for SEAL team 6.

Question, are NFL players competing in the pro bowl better players than college sophmores?  I would think so, and you are trying to compare the two with a little Navy hates Army bullshiat.

SEAL team 6 members are lousy at flying F-18s, subby. Does that make them "inferior"?

// CSB, I once scared the shiat out of a bunch of SEALS when I told them that if they were in a shipping lane when a big freighter came through, their Itty Bitty Ship would be crushed and they would be shark food.  The freighters aren't looking out for little people with glow sticks...And you can't karate chop a freighter...


some errors in there
2013-02-22 04:36:57 PM  
1 vote:

casual disregard: spickus: casual disregard: Almost every other nation on the planet has ONE service doing ONE job


Really..... ? That's exactly the opposite of what I saw.

Defence Research and Development Organisation - India
Defence Research and Development Canada - ...Canada
Defence Science and Technology Laboratory - UK
Defence Science and Technology Laboratory - Australia

Naval Research Laboratory - USA
Army Research Laboratory - USA
Air Force Research Laboratory - USA (should be plural - they have a ton of offices spread all over)


Maybe I missed the mark on "almost every." But don't deny the evidence. Certainly don't deny the success stories from our allies. You can keep the Air Force and the Navy. Just put them under one farking roof. Stop spending taxdollars on duplicated projects.

/i get it
//you're all madly in love with chucking zillions at DoD
///thanks for the paycheck
////from writing this post i just now noticed how odd it is murican english does not spell it "sciense"


Full Disclosure:  my dad used to work for the AFRL.

I think you underestimate the amount of good inter-service cooperation that goes on when it comes to R&D.  It's not as if each service lives in its own world, and they recognize there's no budget for duplicative research, so they collaborate whenever it makes sense, or when one service has special equipment or expertise that the other's don't.  But they don't do jointness for jointness sake.  I remember my dad telling me about giving a presentation in Washington during a trade/info show, where the AFRL booth was right next to the Navy Labs booth.  Some congressional staffer came up and started going on about how both services were researching gas turbine maintenance, and how they should just consolidate and save money.  One of the uniformed Navy guys said that it wasn't a good idea.  The staffer asked why not, and the Navy guy said "because their gas turbine is meant to start a plane in two minutes, and our gas turbine is meant to power a cruiser for six months.  Different problem, different scale, different needs."

/One of the many reasons why I don't work on the Hill
2013-02-22 04:30:56 PM  
1 vote:

Shostie: Wouldn't the Green Berets be a closer match to the SEALs?


Technically, whatever Delta Force is calling itself now.  Delta is the top Green Berets.  SEAL Team Six is the top SEALs.

If it was a static-line jump, you really don't have much control.  You just kind of fall out of the plane, and hope the aircrew and Jumpmaster didn't miss the Drop Zone, or the weather boys didn't underestimate the crosswinds.
2013-02-22 04:19:03 PM  
1 vote:
Blah blah I'm a ninja blah blah marines are the best blah blah rangers lead the way etc etc etc
I've found that people who talk the most shiat never did a dang thing

when we're all in a bar we scrap with each other over who's tougher
it's part of being a young buck
when some civvie pukes come in and pick on the coast guard reservist,
we all stomp some arse together
and now that I'm older and out, I really coudn't give a fark if you wore whites/blues/greens/ or were a farking halo-scuba-tank commander
It's nice to tell stories and split the tab.

In california I know a former UDT crossdresser
my marine pal who's now a chick (gotta say a cool chick tho)
and a smattering of former army/airforce gay/lesbian couples
who cares?

Parachutists are gonna end up in a tree eventually if you keep dropping them in a state FULL of trees.
Better than being a dirt dart
glad the're okay
2013-02-22 03:49:54 PM  
1 vote:
I'm sure the army and navy care about how many suburban couch sitting COD playing children are in favour of one or the other.
2013-02-22 03:26:54 PM  
1 vote:
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2013-02-22 03:25:55 PM  
1 vote:
    
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2013-02-22 03:22:32 PM  
1 vote:

Pocket Ninja: Shostie: Wouldn't the Green Berets be a closer match to the SEALs?

Whatever, man. The green berets don't even know what color their berets are anymore.

Anyway, this is all a mute point. One highly trained soldier in the marine core is worth a dozen green berets.


you, sir, win 9 out of 10 internets.
2013-02-22 03:22:00 PM  
1 vote:

Arkanaut: Shostie: Wouldn't the Green Berets be a closer match to the SEALs?

Not really -- as I understand, SEALs and Rangers are both geared towards quick-strike raids, whereas the Special Forces tend to do more long-term "adviser" -type stuff -- working with local guerrilla groups to fight against a common foe.

/ex-boss was a Green Beret.


Yea, this is sort of the case, but comparing Delta Force to the SEALs is probably the best analogy. They have similar fast-strike specialization. Just about any motivated infantryman can become a ranger, but only the top performers make it into Delta Force.
2013-02-22 03:21:01 PM  
1 vote:
Dear Pocket Ninja,

I tip my hat in your general direction.

Sincerely,

E. Slaptyback
2013-02-22 03:19:44 PM  
1 vote:
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2013-02-22 03:15:57 PM  
1 vote:

Charlie Chingas: Marine Corps


Pretty sure it's core.
2013-02-22 03:14:43 PM  
1 vote:

meanmutton: Pocket Ninja: Shostie: Wouldn't the Green Berets be a closer match to the SEALs?

Whatever, man. The green berets don't even know what color their berets are anymore.

Anyway, this is all a mute point. One highly trained soldier in the marine core is worth a dozen green berets.

moot point
Marines aren't soldiers
Marine corps


Haha! meanmutton meet Pocket Ninja.

/P.N. doesn't do those things by accident.
2013-02-22 03:11:29 PM  
1 vote:

HotIgneous Intruder: Pocket Ninja: Anyway, this is all a mute point. One highly trained soldier in the marine core is worth a dozen green berets.

Moot
Soldiers are in the Army, Marines are in the Marine Corps.
Marine Corps, not Marine core.
Green Berets is capitalized.


Just highlight PN and enjoy his posts.  Don't let the hook scar bother you too much.
2013-02-22 03:10:24 PM  
1 vote:
Scrotastic Method: .

Except it's a "moot" point, and it's the Marine "Corps."



Charlie Chingas:
///And it's Marine Corps

The hits keep coming!
2013-02-22 03:09:52 PM  
1 vote:
Fun fact: the special forces unit that flew the SEALs in and out were Night Stalkers, part of the Army.
2013-02-22 03:09:11 PM  
1 vote:

Pocket Ninja: Shostie: Wouldn't the Green Berets be a closer match to the SEALs?

Whatever, man. The green berets don't even know what color their berets are anymore.

Anyway, this is all a mute point. One highly trained soldier in the marine core is worth a dozen green berets.


moot point
Marines aren't soldiers
Marine corps
2013-02-22 03:09:04 PM  
1 vote:

lack of warmth: I heard Airforce has a special force now, but come on, they barely train their average soldier how to fight.  I had a coworker leave for the Airforce couple of years ago, saying he was going to be a ground troop.  I gave him the yeah right look, since the guy weighed a buck twenty.  He relented and confessed that he'll be involved with frontline communications, from a safe position.  I snickered and walked away.  He was one of those 'buy the real military gear to play paintball or airsoft' guys.


Air Force Cross citation for Senior Airman Jason Dean Cunningham, AFSOC:

Awarded  posthumously for actions during the Global War on Terror

The President of the United States of America, authorized by Title 10, Section 8742, United States Code, takes pride in presenting the Air Force Cross (Posthumously) to Senior Airman Jason Dean Cunningham, United States Air Force, for extraordinary heroism in military operations against an opposing armed force while serving as a Pararescueman of the 38th Rescue Squadron, 247th Operations Group, in action near the village of Marzak in the Paktia Province of Afghanistan on 4 March 2002. On that proud day, Airman Cunningham was the primary Air Force Combat Search and Rescue medic assigned to a Quick Reaction Force tasked to recover two American servicemen evading capture in austere terrain occupied by massed Al Qaida and Taliban forces. Shortly before landing, his MH-47E helicopter received accurate rocket-propelled grenade and small arms fire, severely disabling the aircraft and causing it to crash land. The assault force formed a hasty defense and immediately suffered three fatalities and five critical casualties. Despite effective enemy fire, and at great risk to his own life, Airman Cunningham remained in the burning fuselage of the aircraft in order to treat the wounded. As he moved his patients to a more secure location, mortar rounds began to impact within fifty feet of his position. Disregarding this extreme danger, he continued the movement and exposed himself to enemy fire on seven separate occasions. When the second casualty collection point was also compromised, in a display of uncommon valor and gallantry, Airman Cunningham braved an intense small arms and rocket-propelled grenade attack while repositioning the critically wounded to a third collection point. Even after he was mortally wounded and quickly deteriorating, he continued to direct patient movement and transferred care to another medic. In the end, his distinct efforts led to the successful delivery of ten gravely wounded Americans to life-saving medical treatment. Through his extraordinary heroism, superb airmanship, aggressiveness in the face of the enemy, and in the dedication of his service to his country, Senior Airman Cunningham reflected the highest credit upon himself and the United States Air Force.


Action Date:March 4, 2002

Service:Air Force

Rank:Senior Airman

Company:38th Rescue Squadron

Regiment:247th Operations Group

Division:Moody Air Force Base, Georgia


Sounds pretty badass to me...
2013-02-22 03:08:24 PM  
1 vote:

maddogdelta: Charlie Chingas: ///And it's Marine Corps

Old Fark meme... one farker tried to claim that he was a "soldier in the marine core"... and was, ahem, called out on his bullshiat.


He then blamed the "typo" on the fact that his wife was supposedly typing the post on his behalf.  Good times.  Anybody have a link to that thread?
2013-02-22 03:08:18 PM  
1 vote:

MFAWG: I don't go out with girls anymore
I live the life of danger
I sit in the woods and play with myself
WHEE! I'm a Ranger.


I want to be a forest ranger
I want to be like smokey bear
I don't want no life of danger
smoke my dope and grow my hair..
2013-02-22 03:07:56 PM  
1 vote:

Charlie Chingas: Once a Marine, always a Marine.
//Specially trained 0311
///And it's Marine Corps


You must be very proud of yourself, miss.
2013-02-22 03:07:02 PM  
1 vote:

Charlie Chingas: ///And it's Marine Corps


Old Fark meme... one farker tried to claim that he was a "soldier in the marine core"... and was, ahem, called out on his bullshiat.
2013-02-22 03:06:56 PM  
1 vote:

HotIgneous Intruder: Pocket Ninja: Anyway, this is all a mute point. One highly trained soldier in the marine core is worth a dozen green berets.

Moot
Soldiers are in the Army, Marines are in the Marine Corps.
Marine Corps, not Marine core.
Green Berets is capitalized.


you must be new.
2013-02-22 03:05:45 PM  
1 vote:

FlashHarry: Pocket Ninja: Anyway, this is all a mute point. One highly trained soldier in the marine core is worth a dozen green berets.

you misspelled bear-rays.


i.imgur.com
2013-02-22 03:01:56 PM  
1 vote:
Great joke, Subby!

Now for a dose of reality...

Rangers a chosen from soldiers who have completed boot camp.  So, after a few months of boot camp, an 18-19 year old is then sent through 6 weeks (or so) of Ranger school, and is then dubbed a Ranger.

To become a SEAL, you go through boot camp, then through A school, so you know how to fix torpedoes, computers or radars.  Then, if selected, you go through BUDS, and upon completion of that training, you are considered a SEAL.

After being posted to your unit, you go through more training, and get several years worth of experience.  Then, if you are the top guy in your SEAL team, you might be good enough to apply for SEAL team 6.

Question, are NFL players competing in the pro bowl better players than college sophmores?  I would think so, and you are trying to compare the two with a little Navy hates Army bullshiat.

SEAL team 6 members are lousy at flying F-18s, subby. Does that make them "inferior"?

// CSB, I once scared the shiat out of a bunch of SEALS when I told them that if they were in a shipping lane when a big freighter came through, their Itty Bitty Ship would be crushed and they would be shark food.  The freighters aren't looking out for little people with glow sticks...And you can't karate chop a freighter...
2013-02-22 03:00:52 PM  
1 vote:

Pocket Ninja: Shostie: Wouldn't the Green Berets be a closer match to the SEALs?

Whatever, man. The green berets don't even know what color their berets are anymore.

Anyway, this is all a mute point. One highly trained soldier in the marine core is worth a dozen green berets.


Except it's a "moot" point, and it's the Marine "Corps."

And that is why the Navy is happy to give rides to all the Marines when they're sent in first. They catch the bullets.
2013-02-22 03:00:04 PM  
1 vote:

lack of warmth: Article doesn't say if the soldiers were using the old airborne style chute or the skydiver wing chute ( I am not going to pretend I know the proper names), for the later would be embarrassing.  The former doesn't give hardly any control.

The question really isn't Army verses Navy when talking special forces, since the Army is used as a benchmark for how the other branches train their special forces.  The real question would be Marine verses Seal.  I heard Airforce has a special force now, but come on, they barely train their average soldier how to fight.  I had a coworker leave for the Airforce couple of years ago, saying he was going to be a ground troop.  I gave him the yeah right look, since the guy weighed a buck twenty.  He relented and confessed that he'll be involved with frontline communications, from a safe position.  I snickered and walked away.  He was one of those 'buy the real military gear to play paintball or airsoft' guys.


You don't sound like you've ever served yet have the gall to mock another.
2013-02-22 02:57:10 PM  
1 vote:
Rangers are just the Army version of Marine infantry.  Only they do more airborne work and less on the amphib work.  Of course every one of them acts like they're Delta Force or whatnot.  Just like how 70% of Marines walk around like they're headed for LRRP duty (or I guess now it is off to MARSOC).

/my finest hour as a Marine NCO was climbing around the landing craft to yell at a stupid newbie
//right before we crossed the wash of a DDG and my dumb ass was thrown from the craft
/do I say, not as I do
2013-02-22 02:55:43 PM  
1 vote:
Sounds like a helmet drop wind speed check in the drop zone. Good job, Lt. shiatforbrains!
2013-02-22 02:54:37 PM  
1 vote:
obligatory:
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2013-02-22 02:52:34 PM  
1 vote:
Done in one.
2013-02-22 02:52:30 PM  
1 vote:
Wrong. Gurkhas.
 
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