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(CNN)   Next time you get into one of those "who's better, Army or Navy?" debates, remember that the Navy has Seal Team 6 and the Army has these guys   (cnn.com) divider line 310
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2013-02-22 05:44:47 PM
Next time you get into one of those who's better Army Navy debates, don't.
 
2013-02-22 05:49:53 PM
lack of warmth: I heard Airforce has a special force now, but come on, they barely train their average soldier how to fight.  I had a coworker leave for the Airforce couple of years ago, saying he was going to be a ground troop.  I gave him the yeah right look, since the guy weighed a buck twenty.  He relented and confessed that he'll be involved with frontline communications, from a safe position.  I snickered and walked away.  He was one of those 'buy the real military gear to play paintball or airsoft' guys.

Tommyknocker2121: Air Force Cross citation for Senior Airman Jason Dean Cunningham, AFSOC:

Awarded  posthumously for actions during the Global War on Terror ...



USAF Pararescue - Cunningham's training story.: "Cunningham, a former Navy petty officer, even considered a hitch with the SEALs, going so far as passing the grueling frogman fitness test, but had a change of heart after his tryout.

"I didn't want to kill people. I want to save them," said Cunningham, now an airman first class.

Unlike other special operators, who search and destroy, PJs "search and save." Think of them as SEALs with stethoscopes. They're extreme emergency medical technicians, a kind of cross between Schweitzer and Schwarzenegger. In a pinch, a PJ is a pilot's best friend, and the bad guy's worst enemy, just as accurate with a 9mm pistol as he is with a syringe. One minute, you might find these Rambos of resuscitation subduing an enemy patrol and the next, jump-starting a heart with a pair of defibrillator paddles."
 
2013-02-22 05:52:34 PM
 
2013-02-22 05:53:15 PM
The armys version of the SEALs would be the green berets, and their version of SEAL 6 is Delta Force.

So... uh... yeah.  Stupid headline is stupid.
 
2013-02-22 05:57:56 PM

Alonjar: The armys version of the SEALs would be the green berets, and their version of SEAL 6 is Delta Force.

So... uh... yeah.  Stupid headline is stupid.


Oh, and all the SF units are run by USSOCOM anyhow, and include regular joint training and operations.  There isn't a significant difference between them when you get down to it, other than organizational purposes.
 
2013-02-22 06:02:24 PM

Proletariat In Charge: That whole story was made better because I read it in Mr. Mackey's voice.  I had a couple good ones.  Certainly, the crappy ones (guy who implemented PT in the desert is tops in my list) make a more lasting impression.


Both of my grandfathers were in the military, and while neither one talked much about their experiences (grandpa on my dad's side was a belly gunner on a bomber in WW2, grandpa on mom's side was a jet engine mechanic, AFAIK, in Korea), my mom's grandpa has one story that makes me laugh every time:

It had been raining for a week and every time my grandpa's team had to work on incoming planes, they had to do it outside.  So every time they went out, the officer* in charge went and sat himself in the cockpit, while everyone else had to be outside freezing and soaked.  Grandpa got sick of watching him up there so one day, he went into the cockpit before the officer was around and took the streamer off the the pin that had to be removed to activate the ejection seat.  Once the officer got in later, my grandpa climbed up next to him said, "See ya, Charlie", pretended to pull the safety pin, then hit the ejection handle.
Apparently, the black-skinned officer turned white as a sheet, and from that day on never got in another cockpit.

*Might have been a Sergeant, can't remember the guy's rank, but he was in charge of a group of mechanics.
 
2013-02-22 06:03:42 PM

maddogdelta: Great joke, Subby!

Now for a dose of reality...

Rangers a chosen from soldiers who have completed boot camp.  So, after a few months of boot camp, an 18-19 year old is then sent through 6 weeks (or so) of Ranger school, and is then dubbed a Ranger.

To become a SEAL, you go through boot camp, then through A school, so you know how to fix torpedoes, computers or radars.  Then, if selected, you go through BUDS, and upon completion of that training, you are considered a SEAL.

After being posted to your unit, you go through more training, and get several years worth of experience.  Then, if you are the top guy in your SEAL team, you might be good enough to apply for SEAL team 6.

Question, are NFL players competing in the pro bowl better players than college sophmores?  I would think so, and you are trying to compare the two with a little Navy hates Army bullshiat.

SEAL team 6 members are lousy at flying F-18s, subby. Does that make them "inferior"?

// CSB, I once scared the shiat out of a bunch of SEALS when I told them that if they were in a shipping lane when a big freighter came through, their Itty Bitty Ship would be crushed and they would be shark food.  The freighters aren't looking out for little people with glow sticks...And you can't karate chop a freighter...


RASP is quals for the battallion.

Ranger school is a leadership course any army soldier can take.

Scrolled Rangers are recruited, tabbed Rangers volunteer.
 
2013-02-22 06:09:46 PM
I hope Pocket Ninja practices catch and release
that farker has extended well past the limit with one cast on this one

no way there's a creel big enough to carry all those bulletin board bass
 
2013-02-22 06:13:24 PM

Arkanaut: Shostie: Wouldn't the Green Berets be a closer match to the SEALs?

Not really -- as I understand, SEALs and Rangers are both geared towards quick-strike raids, whereas the Special Forces tend to do more long-term "adviser" -type stuff -- working with local guerrilla groups to fight against a common foe.

/ex-boss was a Green Beret.


Green berets break down into 12 person operational detachments. They go behind enemy lines and train indiginous peoples in order to wage war. 1 man readys 100 so a 12 man team supports and trains 1200 warriors. Green Berets also have to know the language and the culture in order to interact with the indigs and win their hearts and minds.

Rangers from the 75th are the worlds greatest light infantry. When shiat gets hot and the Seals or Delta or anyone else get in trouble elements of the 75th are usually the quick response force that gets sent in.
 
2013-02-22 06:32:10 PM

rohar: Bender The Offender: meanmutton: Fun fact: the special forces unit that flew the SEALs in and out were Night Stalkers, part of the Army.

160th SOAR. Fun fact, They were established in response to the clusterfark rescue attempt when Iran took our citizens hostage.

...and even after that, they managed to scuttle a bird during the op.  You'd think we'd figure this out by now.


I think they know that flying low-level, blacked-out helicopters over rough terrain at night in hostile territory is unsafe.
 
2013-02-22 06:44:10 PM

slimfast: Supreme Commander Dwight D. Eisenhower meeting with the paratroopers of the 82nd Airborne, June 5, 1944 (the day before D-Day).
Many would not survive their advance mission to enemy territory.
Link


Screaming eagle patch is 101st airborne, not 82nd
 
2013-02-22 06:46:32 PM

NousDefions: The amount of misinformation in this thread about SOF is mind boggling.


Put up or shut up.

/screwbie
 
2013-02-22 06:46:58 PM

Gyrfalcon: rohar: Bender The Offender: meanmutton: Fun fact: the special forces unit that flew the SEALs in and out were Night Stalkers, part of the Army.

160th SOAR. Fun fact, They were established in response to the clusterfark rescue attempt when Iran took our citizens hostage.

...and even after that, they managed to scuttle a bird during the op.  You'd think we'd figure this out by now.

I think they know that flying low-level, blacked-out helicopters over rough terrain at night in hostile territory is unsafe.


And they still got the mission done, so it seems like they've already figured out a few things.
 
2013-02-22 06:47:06 PM
Pocket Ninja is going to need a bigger boat.
 
2013-02-22 06:57:43 PM

rohar: a21ozcoldcup: Internet tough guys that never served talking shiat on guys that most likely have all served in combat zones. shiat happens. We don't talk trash when you paper cut yourself at the copy machine or give a customer the wrong mocha latte.. .we might chuckle and thats it. And as for which force is better... well they all rock, all have different missions and its really not a fair comparison. Unless its uniforms. Then the Navy loses every time... with their amazing ocean colored camo...


Yeah, I haven't quite figured that out either.  On a related note, you know why navy dress blues have that big old 13 button flap rather than a standard fly?


Ha.. well I know in the past with Army uniforms they chose buttons over zippers because it is quieter. Not sure why Sailors need quiet zippers....   ...... ......
 
2013-02-22 06:59:06 PM
How do you know the person you're talking to is an ex-marine? Give em a second, they'll tell you.
 
2013-02-22 07:08:21 PM
He was just a rookie trooper and he surely shook with fright,
He checked off his equipment and made sure his pack was tight;
He had to sit and listen to those awful engines roar,
"You ain't gonna jump no more!"
 
2013-02-22 07:24:26 PM
I'm curious, has Pocket Ninja set the record for the most bites in one thread?
 
2013-02-22 07:29:39 PM

a21ozcoldcup: rohar: a21ozcoldcup: Internet tough guys that never served talking shiat on guys that most likely have all served in combat zones. shiat happens. We don't talk trash when you paper cut yourself at the copy machine or give a customer the wrong mocha latte.. .we might chuckle and thats it. And as for which force is better... well they all rock, all have different missions and its really not a fair comparison. Unless its uniforms. Then the Navy loses every time... with their amazing ocean colored camo...


Yeah, I haven't quite figured that out either.  On a related note, you know why navy dress blues have that big old 13 button flap rather than a standard fly?

Ha.. well I know in the past with Army uniforms they chose buttons over zippers because it is quieter. Not sure why Sailors need quiet zippers....   ...... ......


It's not the buttons that are important, it's the big flap.  Works as a bib for soldiers.
 
2013-02-22 07:33:12 PM

Charlie Chingas: Once a Marine, always a Marine


only ex-marines say that
 
2013-02-22 07:53:36 PM

Rapmaster2000: Cerebral Knievel: Rapmaster2000: Hmm, yes, my colleagues and I do the same but we argue for Harvard vs. Yale.  The nerve of those Yalies!

A man from Harvard and a man from Yale are in a rest room urinating. Once they are done expressing them selves the man from Harvard goes to the wash basin and starts to was his hands. The man from Yale heads for the exit.

"Excuse me old chap" the man from Harvard remarks, " but at Harvard, they taught us to wash up after relieving ourselves ."

"Indeed!" Replies the Yalie, " At Yale, good sir, they instructed us to not piss on our hands!"

Sir, you have the boorish manners of a Yalie.  I say good day to you, sir.  I say good day!


you.....you don"t know what the call Harvard people short hand do you?

it's all good brah... neither do I. I'm inclined to believe you made up "yalie"
 
2013-02-22 08:06:01 PM

casual disregard: Speaking of Army/Navy...

We have an Army Research Laboratory and a Navy Research Laboratory. There's also an Air Force Research Laboratory.

Anybody got a good reason for why? Why isn't there a Defense Research Laboratory? Put them all in the same house and that cuts costs. They would still accomplish the needs of the missions of each service.

/defense civilian
//that's not the only place we could consolidate


FAR better question - why do we have 5 Air Forces? The Army has their own fleet of aviation assets, the Navy has their own planes, the Marines, the Coast Guard, as well as the ACTUAL Air Force? Why? Okay, I'll grant you two - maybe even three. One to fly off land, one to fly off boats. And one more for the Coast Guard to prevent from violating Posse Comitatus. But seriously, why in the hell do the Marines and the Army need their own air fleet?
 
2013-02-22 08:07:26 PM
A British officer asked for volunteers from his ranks of Ghurkas to drop behind enemy lines at night and create havoc. Only half the company stepped forward.

The officer acknowledged that jumping from a plane at night presented certain dangers, but was shocked that the legendary Ghurka troops didn't rush to volunteer. Another few stepped forward.

The officer retired and questioned his batman, asking why they, who were so fearless on the battlefield would balk at parachuting behind enemy lines?

AH! answered his batman. You're going to give us parachutes, that will change things!
 
2013-02-22 08:16:55 PM

HK-MP5-SD: A British officer asked for volunteers from his ranks of Ghurkas to drop behind enemy lines at night and create havoc. Only half the company stepped forward.

The officer acknowledged that jumping from a plane at night presented certain dangers, but was shocked that the legendary Ghurka troops didn't rush to volunteer. Another few stepped forward.

The officer retired and questioned his batman, asking why they, who were so fearless on the battlefield would balk at parachuting behind enemy lines?

AH! answered his batman. You're going to give us parachutes, that will change things!


HAHAHAHA

my father was an SAS paratrooper in Borneo during the asian conflicts
the Ghurkas scared the shiat out of him (US special forces were a bit of a joke to him)
 
2013-02-22 08:22:48 PM
Slartibartfaster:
my father was an SAS paratrooper in Borneo during the asian conflicts
the Ghurkas scared the shiat out of him (US special forces were a bit of a joke to him)


The Ghurkas are s pretty badass group of motherfarkers.  The Taliban were scared shiatless of them in Afghanistan.
 
2013-02-22 08:37:46 PM

Hagenhatesyouall: There are two kinds of static-line parachutists.

Those that have LANDED in the trees, and those that are GOING to land in the trees.

Whether it's due to the Air Force. the winds, the Jumpmaster, or the DZSO, your destiny is sealed the moment you don that chute, and it's not a question of IF, but WHEN.

I've had to call the fire department and get them to use a ladder truck to SAFELY reach and lower a muldoon out there.

The trees on Rogers DZ ain't no joke.

Better than landing on tarmac though...usually.

Everything you said is true, but please, factual information from people who have actually done this have no place here on FARK, they tend to get in the way of the anal self loving that most non military posters here love to indulge in. i.e. comment on something they have no clue about.

 
2013-02-22 08:43:14 PM
PocketNinja

Really great job.
 
2013-02-22 09:02:35 PM
slimfast:
www.historyplace.com
Supreme Commander Dwight D. Eisenhower meeting with the paratroopers of the 82nd 101st Airborne (Screaming Eagles), June 5, 1944 (the day before D-Day).
Many would not survive their advance mission to enemy territory.
Link


FTFY
 
2013-02-22 09:26:35 PM

Joelogon: Anyone can have a bad day. See Royal Marines


Dear England,
Sie können nicht lesen
you're welcome,
America
 
2013-02-22 10:18:51 PM

Spasticus Autisticus: slimfast:
[www.historyplace.com image 402x269]
Supreme Commander Dwight D. Eisenhower meeting with the paratroopers of the 82nd 101st Airborne (Screaming Eagles), June 5, 1944 (the day before D-Day).
Many would not survive their advance mission to enemy territory.
Link

FTFY


I lost two cousins on the beaches of Normandy, one of which saved the lives of two fellow soldiers and got no awards.  Such is the life and death of a lot of soldiers.

I appreciate the work and risk soldiers take for the freedom I enjoy.

I don't appreciate soldiers who like to act like bullies because 'we are tough soldiers', love us or shut up.  I have had more than a few who thought staring me in the eye and act menacing would frighten me.  If you aren't killing me, you're only wasting my time.  I wonder if some soldiers forget what is like to be among people where we don't have to like you.  We already know you don't like us.

I snickered at my friend only because I knew he can't kill anyone, I have met killers and I know he can't do it.  It was funny how he made it sound like he was going to be some bad fighter, even while knowing his job wasn't going near the enemy.

Being raised by a soldier who has killed will teach you one thing, if you don't want to be like that, don't join.  Soldiers can be so distancing that you can sit right next to a dad or uncle and feel like the room is empty.  Get a sense humor and learn to laugh at yourself again, laughing at everyone around you is really getting old.

/Fear not them who are able to kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul; but rather fear him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
 
2013-02-22 10:44:23 PM

slimfast: [www.historyplace.com image 402x269]
Supreme Commander Dwight D. Eisenhower meeting with the paratroopers of the 82nd Airborne, June 5, 1944 (the day before D-Day).
Many would not survive their advance mission to enemy territory.
Link


Someone else probably pointed this out already but the screaming chicken on that guys shoulder would be the 101 not 82nd.
 
2013-02-22 11:02:27 PM
Subs is a farking idiot, like many of the people here. Those chutes have very, very minimal control. You go where the wind goes.
 
2013-02-22 11:35:59 PM

weiserfireman: UsikFark: Charlie Chingas: Marine Corps

Pretty sure it's core.

Pretty sure you are wrong.   It is pronounced core, put it is spelled Corps


I



Pretty sure I figured out who then newb who doesn't read the thread is.

/it's CORE
//and we are SOLDIERS
///and I am detecting some wife like typing
 
2013-02-22 11:36:29 PM
Whatever. I laughed. Had a buddy in the 75th who was medically discharged because he and half his f*cking stick broke their legs on a jump in Germany. "Hey! There's a clear-cut zone with nothing but tree stumps! Let's drop them there!" said the intrepid pilot or jumpmaster or whomever.

He's a lunatic anyway, but a great guy to party with.

75th aren't SEALs, but you sleep safe at night knowing they are on 18 hour standby to go break sh*t or rescue some hot chicas from a Grenadian medical school.
 
2013-02-22 11:38:31 PM
It's not news, It's CNN.

I can't remember a jump where we didn't have at least one guy in the trees.  Well, except for Hollywood Saturday fun-jumps where all the REMFs showed up to keep their jump pay.

Call me when they have a CNN video of a guy bouncing off the underside of a C-130 praying to god his reserve opens when they cut him away.
 
2013-02-22 11:43:53 PM
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2013-02-22 11:57:29 PM

Ghryswald: Call me when they have a CNN video of a guy bouncing off the underside of a C-130 praying to god his reserve opens when they cut him away.


They use the HUPRA nowadays when that happens (YouTube video 2:26 minutes).
 
2013-02-23 12:50:27 AM
A long time ago I had a T-10b that failed to deploy properly and I had to deploy a reserve and ended up in a tree. Three broken ribs, a dislocated shoulder and a gouge from my ass to the middle of my back later I got rescued. As a 20 year old I thought it was cool but now 25 years later I realize I was an idiot.

 A 1/75

/What the fark was I thinking?
 
2013-02-23 01:33:26 AM

NumberFiveIsAlive: lack of warmth: Article doesn't say if the soldiers were using the old airborne style chute or the skydiver wing chute ( I am not going to pretend I know the proper names), for the later would be embarrassing.  The former doesn't give hardly any control.

The question really isn't Army verses Navy when talking special forces, since the Army is used as a benchmark for how the other branches train their special forces.  The real question would be Marine verses Seal.  I heard Airforce has a special force now, but come on, they barely train their average soldier how to fight.  I had a coworker leave for the Airforce couple of years ago, saying he was going to be a ground troop.  I gave him the yeah right look, since the guy weighed a buck twenty.  He relented and confessed that he'll be involved with frontline communications, from a safe position.  I snickered and walked away.  He was one of those 'buy the real military gear to play paintball or airsoft' guys.

You "heard" the USAF has special forces now?  Well my friend you'd be wrong.  Green Berets are the only "Special Forces", everyone else is an operator.

/USN DEVGRU is catching crap for talking to the media and removing the secrecy from their image
//USAF Specops are smart enough not to do that.  That's why you don't know about them.
///Even SEALS have to call 911


"Green Berets are the only "Special Forces", everyone else is an operator. " - I'm sure the folks down at
Air Force Special Operations Command would be surprised to learn that. Maybe you should go set them straight.
 
2013-02-23 02:03:40 AM

vudukungfu: The Southern Dandy: The Army's got the Delta Force and the Delta Force has Chuck Norris.  Bring it on biatches!

[www.screeninsults.com image 493x700]

*guffaw*


Chuck Norris heard that!

www.whoateallthepies.tv
 
2013-02-23 02:45:16 AM

weiserfireman: UsikFark: Charlie Chingas: Marine Corps

Pretty sure it's core.

Pretty sure you are wrong.   It is pronounced core, put it is spelled Corps



Ummm... It's pronounced "corpse".  Problem solved.
 
2013-02-23 03:16:42 AM

Realist29: I personally know - that is right - I KNOW - SEAL's, Green Berets, and Force Recon Marines that have FAILED Ranger school. Try again Subby.


I read somewhere about that, with an explanation as to why.  Ranger school requires a large amount of teamwork based tasks.  Whereas the training pipelines for many other special operations are designed around building an individual capable or operating a part of a team.
 
2013-02-23 03:19:56 AM

vudukungfu: RoxtarRyan: PJ's

Do no fark with PJs.
You may buy them a drink,
But don't talk to them.

They will jump out of a chopper, no chute, behind enemy lines, unarmed, to save your front line overrun ass. If they need a weapon they will take it from the enemy and use it and discard it. They are like Gurkha with out knives, except they carry knives. Medical knives.

And they make the green beret look like the clerk typists that they are.


Never have I heard of PJs jumping unarmed...
 
2013-02-23 03:37:12 AM
at least they made it into the trees instead of into the ground like a farking lawn dart.  aren't most of SEAL team 6 dead now?
 
2013-02-23 04:42:31 AM

Realist29: I personally know - that is right - I KNOW - SEAL's, Green Berets, and Force Recon Marines that have FAILED Ranger school. Try again Subby.


No, you don't. I'll play the odds on this one.
 
2013-02-23 08:09:07 AM

The Southern Dandy: The Army's got the Delta Force and the Delta Force has Chuck Norris.  Bring it on biatches!

[www.screeninsults.com image 493x700]


Chuck Norris threw a grenade and killed 50 people, then it exploded.
 
2013-02-23 08:36:11 AM

UnspokenVoice: Realist29: I personally know - that is right - I KNOW - SEAL's, Green Berets, and Force Recon Marines that have FAILED Ranger school. Try again Subby.

No, you don't. I'll play the odds on this one.


I'll double-down on that one with you UnspokenVoice.  I know there are members of all those groups who cycled out of Ranger School; injury, illness, give-a-shiat got busted.  I doubt Realist29 knows any of those.  He knows some pogue who says he was a SEAL, Recon, or Team member and can describe exactly what they saw on Discovery Channel.

Probably knows a few "snipers" too.
 
2013-02-23 08:39:10 AM

stonelotus: at least they made it into the trees instead of into the ground like a farking lawn dart.

Hey, I resemble that remark.

/streamer
/lawn dart
/La Paz DZ, Honduras 1986
/CareerEnder

 
2013-02-23 08:48:43 AM

JungleBoogie: Ghryswald: Call me when they have a CNN video of a guy bouncing off the underside of a C-130 praying to god his reserve opens when they cut him away.

They use the HUPRA nowadays when that happens (YouTube video 2:26 minutes).


Nice toy.  Thanks for posting it for me.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-02-23 10:37:05 AM

Charlie Chingas: What's your theme song? Ankles away???


That's for the Pistorious thread........

/ankles, he no haz
 
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