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(CNN)   Next time you get into one of those "who's better, Army or Navy?" debates, remember that the Navy has Seal Team 6 and the Army has these guys   (cnn.com) divider line 310
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2013-02-22 03:27:15 PM

Pin Fiften Clob: weiserfireman: UsikFark: Charlie Chingas: Marine Corps

Pretty sure it's core.

Pretty sure you are wrong.   It is pronounced core, put it is spelled Corps

No, I played CoD a lot, and it's Core


Look kid, I don't know what your problem is, but you disrespect the Core.
 
2013-02-22 03:27:50 PM

RoxtarRyan: lack of warmth: I heard Airforce has a special force now

They're called PJ's... the guys who go in under hostile fire to pull out casualties. They've actually been around for many decades.

Met some while in Kandahar. Badass guys... walls of muscle, and facial hair to appear like one of the locals. Heh... the first shirt told them that if they wanted to stay in the AF compound for more than a day, they would have to shave their beards, get haircuts and abide by AFI 36-2903. I have never seen a shirt, or really anyone, get chewed out like he did.


Don't forget the combat controllers too. USAF consider them an SF unit don't they?
 
2013-02-22 03:27:55 PM

Charlie Chingas: Forced Perspective: maddogdelta: Charlie Chingas: ///And it's Marine Corps

Old Fark meme... one farker tried to claim that he was a "soldier in the marine core"... and was, ahem, called out on his bullshiat.

He then blamed the "typo" on the fact that his wife was supposedly typing the post on his behalf.  Good times.  Anybody have a link to that thread?

No shiat? HA! Would love to see that thread myself. I don't normally brag about being in the Corps, but when someone misspells it, even Pocket Ninja, I must say something. To all my brothers out there reading this: OOH RAH!


I found it.  Enjoy:

www.fark.com/comments/3129410/US-Marine-Corps-Commandant-suggests-th at -all-US-Marines-withdraw-from-Iraq-redeploy-to-face-actual-enemies-in- Afghanistan

The comment that started it all is "
I'd go for that. Iraq can be contained by the Army. Let the Core finish up in Afghanistan," by a user who had claimed to be a marine.  Things go downhill from there.
 
2013-02-22 03:29:33 PM

Sticky Hands: I am trained in gorilla warfare


NTTAWWT
 
2013-02-22 03:29:42 PM

Pocket Ninja: Shostie: Wouldn't the Green Berets be a closer match to the SEALs?

Whatever, man. The green berets don't even know what color their berets are anymore.

Anyway, this is all a mute point. One highly trained soldier in the marine core is worth a dozen green berets.


You said mute. You meant moot. Unless shut up? Also core? eh, what?
 
2013-02-22 03:29:49 PM

Forced Perspective: I'd go for that. Iraq can be contained by the Army. Let the Core finish up in Afghanistan," by a user who had claimed to be a marine. Things go downhill from there.


Oh, and he blames the wife in this thread: http://www.fark.com/comments/715637/White-House-security-wants-a-thre e -day-shutdown-of-central-London-so-that-protestors-dont-make-George-Bu sh-look-like-a-fool#c5297187

The entire thing is gold.
 
2013-02-22 03:30:04 PM

RoxtarRyan: PJ's


Do no fark with PJs.
You may buy them a drink,
But don't talk to them.

They will jump out of a chopper, no chute, behind enemy lines, unarmed, to save your front line overrun ass. If they need a weapon they will take it from the enemy and use it and discard it. They are like Gurkha with out knives, except they carry knives. Medical knives.

And they make the green beret look like the clerk typists that they are.
 
2013-02-22 03:30:37 PM

Bender The Offender:
PJs (pararescue) are some of the baddest mother farkers around. Period. PJs are who SEALs and Green Berets call for medical evac and who are tasked with recovering pilots downed behind enemy lines. They are air force. Yeah.

Combat Controllers are pretty badass also:

Staff Seargeant Robert Gutierrez, Jr:

he President of the United States of America, authorized by Title 10, Section 8742, United States Code, takes pleasure in presenting the Air Force Cross to Staff Sergeant Robert Gutierrez, Jr., United States Air Force, for extraordinary heroism in military operations against an armed enemy of the United States in Heart Province, Afghanistan, on 5 October 2009. On that date, while assigned as a combat controller to an Army Special Forces Detachment, Sergeant Gutierrez and his team conducted a high-risk nighttime raid to capture the number two Taliban leader in the region. During the initial assault, the team was attacked with a barrage of rifle and heavy machine-gun fire from a numerically superior and determined enemy  force. Sergeant Gutierrez was shot in the chest, his team leader was shot in the leg, and the ten-man element was pinned down in a building with no escape route. In great pain and confronting the very real possibility that he would die, Sergeant Gutierrez seized the initiative and refused to relinquish his duties as joint terminal attack controller. Under intense fire, he engaged Taliban fighters with his M-4 rifle and brought airpower to bear, controlling three "danger close" A-10 strafing runs with exceptional precision against enemy forces just 30 feet away. After the first A-10 attack, the team medic performed a needle decompression to re-inflate Sergeant Gutierrez's collapsed lung, allowing him to direct the next two strafe runs which decimated the enemy force and allowed the team to escape the kill zone without additional casualties. Throughout the four-hour battle, Sergeant Gutierrez's valorous actions, at great risk to his own life, helped save the lives of his teammates and dealt a crushing blow to the regional Taliban network. Through his extraordinary heroism, superb airmanship, and aggressiveness in the face of the enemy, Sergeant Gutierrez reflected the highest credit upon himself and the United States Air Force.

Action Date:October 5, 2009

Service:Air Force

Rank:Staff Sergeant

Proletariat In Charge: Look up William Pitsenbarger for an eeriely similar action in Vietnam.  Pits eventually was awarded the MoH.


Scary how alike their citations are.

Chief Etchberger's citation is pretty awe-insirpiring also:
http://www.af.mil/information/heritage/person.asp?dec=&pid=123226750
 
2013-02-22 03:30:49 PM

Sticky Hands: What the fark did you just farking say about me, you little biatch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fark out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my farking words. You think you can get away with saying that shiat to me over the Internet? Think again, farker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're farking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shiat. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your farking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shiat fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're farking dead, kiddo.


"Guerrilla" warfare sir or madam.
"Gorilla" warfare, I believe, involves flinging your own feces.

/not usually a grammar/spelling nazi
//but this post was really asking for it
 
2013-02-22 03:32:16 PM

Pocket Ninja: Shostie: Wouldn't the Green Berets be a closer match to the SEALs?

Whatever, man. The green berets don't even know what color their berets are anymore.

Anyway, this is all a mute point. One highly trained soldier in the marine core is worth a dozen green berets.


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http://www.fark.com/comments/7607604/82669827#c82669827" rel=nofollow target=_blank>Pocket Ninja: Shostie: Wouldn't the Green Berets be a closer match to the SEALs?

Whatever, man. The green berets don't even know what color their berets are anymore.

Anyway, this is all a mute point. One highly trained soldier in the marine core is worth a dozen green berets.


You said mute. You meant moot. Unless shut up? Also core? eh, what? ____________________
I sarchasms you back
 
2013-02-22 03:32:49 PM

oakleym82: Pocket Ninja: Shostie: Wouldn't the Green Berets be a closer match to the SEALs?

Whatever, man. The green berets don't even know what color their berets are anymore.

Anyway, this is all a mute point. One highly trained soldier in the marine core is worth a dozen green berets.

you, sir, win 9 out of 10 internets.


Ho ha! PN is a 4 star admiral. The rest of us are merely grumps fresh out of basic.

/10-HUP!
 
2013-02-22 03:32:58 PM
Paging the Convincing Savant, you farkwit.
 
2013-02-22 03:34:06 PM

casual disregard: Speaking of Army/Navy...

We have an Army Research Laboratory and a Navy Research Laboratory. There's also an Air Force Research Laboratory.

Anybody got a good reason for why? Why isn't there a Defense Research Laboratory? Put them all in the same house and that cuts costs. They would still accomplish the needs of the missions of each service.

/defense civilian
//that's not the only place we could consolidate


This is the sort of genius thinking that got us the hot mess they call the Joint Strike Fighter.  Three guesses as to how well that's turned out, first two don't count.

/It also happened with the F-111
 
2013-02-22 03:34:19 PM
FUN FACT:

The derogatory term for USMA Cadets vis-a-vis USNA Midshipman is "Whoops."

If you ever find yourself in a conclave of Cadets/Midshipman (Army/Navy game), you will certainly hear it: "Whoop whoop whoop whooooooooops!"

Comes from The Wizard of Oz.  The flying monkeys wore USMA drill jackets.

True story.

/Also, we salute the president with our flies open and c@cks hanging out.
//And sometimes leave our shoes behind
///Not FlyNavy
 
2013-02-22 03:34:40 PM

Treygreen13: I see that some people think parachuting is a precise exercise.


I went alone, static line for my very first jump and landed within 15 feet of the target - all without a working radio from the instructor.

I'd never do it again, but once you get over the initial panic steering yourself isn't that hard, unless these guys were aiming for a forest.  I'm assuming they had a landing zone somewhere.
 
2013-02-22 03:35:01 PM
Is this the fault of the homosexuals or the women?
 
2013-02-22 03:35:27 PM
They should just automatically favorite Pocket Ninja for new Farkers.  I didn't think that was going to get any hooks, but he probably has to throw a few back to stay under the game limit.
 
2013-02-22 03:35:54 PM
My MOS was 54B and my NEC was 3365, so I'm getting a kick out of etc etc
 
2013-02-22 03:35:54 PM

Pocket Ninja: Shostie: Wouldn't the Green Berets be a closer match to the SEALs?

Whatever, man. The green berets don't even know what color their berets are anymore.

Anyway, this is all a mute point. One highly trained soldier in the marine core is worth a dozen green berets.




www.ieee.org
 
2013-02-22 03:35:55 PM

Hagenhatesyouall: The trees on Rogers DZ ain't no joke.

Better than landing on tarmac though...usually.



Landing on tarmac isn't so bad.
Largely depends on the speed though.

i769.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-22 03:37:15 PM

Pin Fiften Clob: weiserfireman: UsikFark: Charlie Chingas: Marine Corps

Pretty sure it's core.

Pretty sure you are wrong.   It is pronounced core, put it is spelled Corps

No, I played CoD a lot, and it's Core


The correct spelling is Marine Kore.
 
2013-02-22 03:38:39 PM
And you misspelled "berea"
 
2013-02-22 03:38:47 PM

eyeq360: Sorry.  Incorrect.  The Navy SEALs during Vietnam did long-term "adviser" roles with the Cambodians on river operations.
Basing it on a single role they can play in military strategy is shortchanging the Navy SEALs and what they can do.  SEALs can do quick-strike raids, demolitions, and other roles on Sea, Air, and Land, hence the acronym.  As a whole, based upon everything--fitness, training, skills, etc--Delta Force is the closest to Navy SEAL Team 6.


That's impressive -- I learned something today.
 
2013-02-22 03:39:19 PM

MasterThief: casual disregard: Speaking of Army/Navy...

We have an Army Research Laboratory and a Navy Research Laboratory. There's also an Air Force Research Laboratory.

Anybody got a good reason for why? Why isn't there a Defense Research Laboratory? Put them all in the same house and that cuts costs. They would still accomplish the needs of the missions of each service.

/defense civilian
//that's not the only place we could consolidate

This is the sort of genius thinking that got us the hot mess they call the Joint Strike Fighter.  Three guesses as to how well that's turned out, first two don't count.

/It also happened with the F-111


No. Not even close. JSF has unconscionable cost overruns and fat contractors sucking on government teat. That's a different story. Almost every other nation on the planet has ONE service doing ONE job and they do just fine. They're all "purple" in that regard. The only thing keeping our multitude of services alive is rivalry and a false belief in invented tradition. The real reason they can't cut costs is because a few admirals and generals refuse to compromise.

It really is inefficient but not for the reasons you see in the news.
 
2013-02-22 03:40:26 PM

boloabs: Lt. Col. Dangerfield claims Rangers get no respect.


done in one
 
2013-02-22 03:41:22 PM

MythDragon: "I don't have that problem"


img.photobucket.com


Using aircraft to reach the drop zone?

How quaint.


dl.dropbox.com

 
2013-02-22 03:41:35 PM
maddogdelta// CSB, I once scared the shiat out of a bunch of SEALS when I told them that if they were in a shipping lane when a big freighter came through, their Itty Bitty Ship would be crushed and they would be shark food. The freighters aren't looking out for little people with glow sticks...And you can't karate chop a freighter... Worst. CSB. Ever /yah, I'm sure those SEALs were sooooo scared.//They probably were so scared they quit and joined the Marine Core.
 
2013-02-22 03:42:13 PM

casual disregard: Almost every other nation on the planet has ONE service doing ONE job



Really..... ? That's exactly the opposite of what I saw.
 
2013-02-22 03:42:26 PM

Strategeryz0r: Don't forget the combat controllers too. USAF consider them an SF unit don't they?


I think they do.... not sure.... I pondered about joining back over a decade ago when I was an 2E1x, because the AF started wanting to add them into the PJ and other specops recon teams because of an incident where an entire team became casualties because they didn't have anyone who could frankenstein an HF radio from a toaster and a Canon printer, but I didn't really follow through with it... Shame really. But, I love my current job, working as a WMD tech, and would rather leave the real-world tough guy stuff to actual tough guys! I'm great at what I do, and proud of my uniform and would gladly do anything I could within my power, but don't expect excellent results if you ask me to haul 300lbs of dead weight 50 miles only eating tree bark and drinking urine strained through a sock.
 
2013-02-22 03:43:55 PM
SO. MUCH. MARINES. AUTISM.i187.photobucket.com
 
GBB [TotalFark]
2013-02-22 03:44:42 PM
Pocket Ninja: One highly trained soldier in the marine core is worth a dozen green berets.

HA!!!  "highly trained marine"!!!!
 
2013-02-22 03:44:52 PM

UsikFark: Charlie Chingas: Marine Corps

Pretty sure it's core.


I was lead to believe that it's coral.  if it's Marine, then it obviously lives in the water.  duh.
 
2013-02-22 03:45:06 PM

Shostie: Wouldn't the Green Berets be a closer match to the SEALs?


If we're talking about Seal Team 6 specifically, I think Delta Force would be the better match.
 
2013-02-22 03:45:06 PM

meanmutton: Fun fact: the special forces unit that flew the SEALs in and out were Night Stalkers, part of the Army.


So special they trashed one of their super fancy stealth helicopters.

/more like special needs than special forces.
 
2013-02-22 03:46:07 PM
To the best of my knowledge, no Navy has ever managed to attack a target half way into a Continent. I could be wrong. Perhaps the Swiss Navy has done it.

Therefore, I will say that Army is definitely better than Navy, seeing as I am at an altitude of about 246 feet and a distance from the sea of 800 miles or so, even with the Saint Lawrence being naviagable as far as Quebec City in the Winter.

The Navy could get to me, but they'd probably have to walk at some point. Getting a naval ship big enough to fire a missile or rocket at me through the rivers and locks that separate me from the sea would be iffy. I'm not saying the Navy couldn't get the job done, because I am sure they could, but the army has a serious edge, having more personnel and resources such as armoured cars and tanks within a short distance of me.

There are many countries with no navies, but even the smallest countries have had something approximating to an army (Liechtenstein and the Vatican City have  tiny military forces, Andorra gave up their tiny army because they are adequately protected by Spain and France, which jointly govern  Andorra.

An army is your first line of domestic and foreign defence as it can deal with natural disasters, peace time emergencies, and armed insurrection or invasion.

A navy becomes important only if you have a coast or some internal coastline.

An air force is good, but eventually you have to land on water or ground unless you have those flying fortress thingies they have in SF movies. Air forces don't deal well with "hearts and minds" because it is hard to get a B-52 bomber into narrow streets where the hearts and minds that most need to be courted live.

In short, go army, preferably far away until you are needed.
 
2013-02-22 03:46:11 PM
haha... happened to me years ago. The worst part is listening to the riggers biatch because you have to open your reserve to climb down with... They have to repack them and it's a pain because they're packed so tight... Oh well... was their job. blow it. ;)
 
2013-02-22 03:46:26 PM

vudukungfu: But don't talk to them.


Whatever! I kept up my glass as long as they did! They were great guys, just don't give them shiat if they are out of regs for uniform and appearance compliance. They will scorch your ass if you do.
 
2013-02-22 03:47:34 PM

Buck Henderson: Ho ha! PN is a 4 star admiral. The rest of us are merely grumps fresh out of basic.

/10-HUP!


Wife-like typing detected.
 
2013-02-22 03:47:55 PM

casual disregard: MasterThief: casual disregard: Speaking of Army/Navy...

We have an Army Research Laboratory and a Navy Research Laboratory. There's also an Air Force Research Laboratory.

Anybody got a good reason for why? Why isn't there a Defense Research Laboratory? Put them all in the same house and that cuts costs. They would still accomplish the needs of the missions of each service.

/defense civilian
//that's not the only place we could consolidate

This is the sort of genius thinking that got us the hot mess they call the Joint Strike Fighter.  Three guesses as to how well that's turned out, first two don't count.

/It also happened with the F-111

No. Not even close. JSF has unconscionable cost overruns and fat contractors sucking on government teat. That's a different story. Almost every other nation on the planet has ONE service doing ONE job and they do just fine. They're all "purple" in that regard. The only thing keeping our multitude of services alive is rivalry and a false belief in invented tradition. The real reason they can't cut costs is because a few admirals and generals refuse to compromise.

It really is inefficient but not for the reasons you see in the news.


One of the biggest national borders in the world, two gigantic coastlines just for the mainland, the largest and most complex economy in the world, gigantic amount of foreign commitments in almost every conceivable biosphere on the planet.

You're right, fark all that flexibility, let's turn our armed forces into a beige for Casual disregard's peace of mind, so he can soothe himself with the knowledge no possible redundancy will lower monetary efficiency.
 
2013-02-22 03:49:13 PM

lack of warmth: Article doesn't say if the soldiers were using the old airborne style chute or the skydiver wing chute ( I am not going to pretend I know the proper names), for the later would be embarrassing.  The former doesn't give hardly any control.

The question really isn't Army verses Navy when talking special forces, since the Army is used as a benchmark for how the other branches train their special forces.  The real question would be Marine verses Seal.  I heard Airforce has a special force now, but come on, they barely train their average soldier how to fight.  I had a coworker leave for the Airforce couple of years ago, saying he was going to be a ground troop.  I gave him the yeah right look, since the guy weighed a buck twenty.  He relented and confessed that he'll be involved with frontline communications, from a safe position.  I snickered and walked away.  He was one of those 'buy the real military gear to play paintball or airsoft' guys.


If he is going to be a forward air controller I wouldn't snicker. And if you ever come across a PJ and snicker I'd worry that any other service member would correct your ignorance.

When your motto is "So that others may live", snickering is astoundingly rude.
 
2013-02-22 03:49:13 PM
UsikFark:
Look kid, I don't know what your problem is, but you disrespect the Core.

Never disrespect the Corps!

images2.wikia.nocookie.net

...and I'm out.
 
2013-02-22 03:49:54 PM
I'm sure the army and navy care about how many suburban couch sitting COD playing children are in favour of one or the other.
 
2013-02-22 03:50:11 PM
Article doesn't say if the soldiers were using the old airborne style chute or the skydiver wing chute ( I am not going to pretend I know the proper names), for the later would be embarrassing.  The former doesn't give hardly any control.


was probably T-10's... A little control... but you know; whether up a tree or not; like a sack-a-potatas every time..
 
2013-02-22 03:51:53 PM
There's no shortage of stupid things Seals did even on public record.
 
2013-02-22 03:52:05 PM

spickus: casual disregard: Almost every other nation on the planet has ONE service doing ONE job


Really..... ? That's exactly the opposite of what I saw.


Defence Research and Development Organisation - India
Defence Research and Development Canada - ...Canada
Defence Science and Technology Laboratory - UK
Defence Science and Technology Laboratory - Australia

Naval Research Laboratory - USA
Army Research Laboratory - USA
Air Force Research Laboratory - USA (should be plural - they have a ton of offices spread all over)


Maybe I missed the mark on "almost every." But don't deny the evidence. Certainly don't deny the success stories from our allies. You can keep the Air Force and the Navy. Just put them under one farking roof. Stop spending taxdollars on duplicated projects.

/i get it
//you're all madly in love with chucking zillions at DoD
///thanks for the paycheck
////from writing this post i just now noticed how odd it is murican english does not spell it "sciense"
 
2013-02-22 03:53:15 PM

Charlie Chingas: /Once a Marine, always a Marine.
//Specially trained 0311
///And it's Marine Corps


New here, aren't you? Someone have the link to entire sordid affair?
 
2013-02-22 03:53:26 PM

casual disregard: Cerebral Knievel: Rapmaster2000: Hmm, yes, my colleagues and I do the same but we argue for Harvard vs. Yale.  The nerve of those Yalies!

A man from Harvard and a man from Yale are in a rest room urinating. Once they are done expressing them selves the man from Harvard goes to the wash basin and starts to was his hands. The man from Yale heads for the exit.

"Excuse me old chap" the man from Harvard remarks, " but at Harvard, they taught us to wash up after relieving ourselves ."

"Indeed!" Replies the Yalie, " At Yale, good sir, they instructed us to not piss on our hands!"

Yeah that joke has so many different renditions with so many different rival organizations.

Guys, wash your farking hands. I have no intention of shaking hands with your penis.


(Thatsthejoke.jpg)

And besides, my penis is a very charming fellow.
 
2013-02-22 03:54:05 PM

brantgoose: no Navy has ever managed to attack a target half way into a Continent


SEAL Team 6 has been pretty far into Afghanistan / Pakistan.
 
2013-02-22 03:54:07 PM

FlashHarry: rogiesangel: Pocket Ninja: Shostie: Wouldn't the Green Berets be a closer match to the SEALs?

Whatever, man. The green berets don't even know what color their berets are anymore.

Anyway, this is all a mute point. One highly trained soldier Marine in the Marine core Corps is worth a dozen green berets.

//ftfy
///Semper Fidelis

[i54.tinypic.com image 452x339]

/you missed "mute" point, too.


I didn't miss it, it just wasn't important. You also forgot to capitalize Green Berets, and while all service men and women are important in my book, they are not as important as the Marines have been in my life.
 
2013-02-22 03:55:26 PM

RoxtarRyan: don't expect excellent results if you ask me to haul 300lbs of dead weight 50 miles only eating tree bark and drinking urine strained through a sock.


You AF pukes get a sock? Figures.
 
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