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(CNN)   Next time you get into one of those "who's better, Army or Navy?" debates, remember that the Navy has Seal Team 6 and the Army has these guys   (cnn.com) divider line 310
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2013-02-22 02:25:58 PM  
Lt. Col. Dangerfield claims Rangers get no respect.
 
2013-02-22 02:30:32 PM  
Wouldn't the Green Berets be a closer match to the SEALs?
 
2013-02-22 02:31:41 PM  
So? Just don't start any wars where there might be trees.
 
2013-02-22 02:34:24 PM  

Shostie: Wouldn't the Green Berets be a closer match to the SEALs?


Whatever, man. The green berets don't even know what color their berets are anymore.

Anyway, this is all a mute point. One highly trained soldier in the marine core is worth a dozen green berets.
 
2013-02-22 02:37:39 PM  
Anyone can have a bad day. See Royal Marines
 
2013-02-22 02:49:01 PM  
nbnl.globalwhelming.com
 
2013-02-22 02:50:47 PM  
When you jump off the ramp of a C-130 at night, and you are only 800 feet off the terrain, and you have a round chute, the only direction you are certain of going is down.

Also, when it is a training jump, and you are up a tall tree, you wait for people with climbing gear. Silly chances during training aren't worth taking. If it is a combat mission, then you and your squadmates will have to take care of it.
 
2013-02-22 02:52:30 PM  
Wrong. Gurkhas.
 
2013-02-22 02:52:32 PM  
What did they yell as they jumped: "Airborne," "Air Assault" or "Incoming?"
 
2013-02-22 02:52:34 PM  
Done in one.
 
2013-02-22 02:52:37 PM  
Best military in the world!

/watch out trees, you'll get jumped
 
2013-02-22 02:52:48 PM  
According to the regiment's website, its members make up "the Army's premier raid force" and they are "always combat ready."

Such brave snowflakes.
 
2013-02-22 02:53:50 PM  
How far?
All the way (up the tree)!
 
2013-02-22 02:54:09 PM  
I see that some people think parachuting is a precise exercise.
 
2013-02-22 02:54:30 PM  
George , George, George of the jungle, strong as he can be.....watch out for that tree"
 
2013-02-22 02:54:37 PM  
obligatory:
cdn.styleforum.net
 
2013-02-22 02:55:07 PM  
They are widely considered among the top in the U.S. military.

Until we started packing our most highly trained recon elite into Humvees to tool around the desert like any other grunt.   Military intelligence at its finest.
 
2013-02-22 02:55:39 PM  

Shostie: Wouldn't the Green Berets be a closer match to the SEALs?


I know a guy who eats Green Berets for breakfast.

/and right now, he's very hungry
 
2013-02-22 02:55:43 PM  
Sounds like a helmet drop wind speed check in the drop zone. Good job, Lt. shiatforbrains!
 
2013-02-22 02:56:23 PM  
Article doesn't say if the soldiers were using the old airborne style chute or the skydiver wing chute ( I am not going to pretend I know the proper names), for the later would be embarrassing.  The former doesn't give hardly any control.

The question really isn't Army verses Navy when talking special forces, since the Army is used as a benchmark for how the other branches train their special forces.  The real question would be Marine verses Seal.  I heard Airforce has a special force now, but come on, they barely train their average soldier how to fight.  I had a coworker leave for the Airforce couple of years ago, saying he was going to be a ground troop.  I gave him the yeah right look, since the guy weighed a buck twenty.  He relented and confessed that he'll be involved with frontline communications, from a safe position.  I snickered and walked away.  He was one of those 'buy the real military gear to play paintball or airsoft' guys.
 
2013-02-22 02:56:36 PM  
Hmm, yes, my colleagues and I do the same but we argue for Harvard vs. Yale.  The nerve of those Yalies!
 
2013-02-22 02:56:40 PM  

whither_apophis: Wrong. Gurkhas.


Heh; those guys are some hardcore mofos.
 
2013-02-22 02:57:10 PM  
Rangers are just the Army version of Marine infantry.  Only they do more airborne work and less on the amphib work.  Of course every one of them acts like they're Delta Force or whatnot.  Just like how 70% of Marines walk around like they're headed for LRRP duty (or I guess now it is off to MARSOC).

/my finest hour as a Marine NCO was climbing around the landing craft to yell at a stupid newbie
//right before we crossed the wash of a DDG and my dumb ass was thrown from the craft
/do I say, not as I do
 
2013-02-22 02:58:09 PM  

Pocket Ninja: Anyway, this is all a mute point. One highly trained soldier in the marine core is worth a dozen green berets.


you misspelled bear-rays.
 
2013-02-22 02:59:02 PM  
My Dad was in the Navy & Marines, during Harry Truman's shift... While both his boys ended up liberal arts majors, he cast one hell of a shadow.

/salute to all in the Armed Services
 
2013-02-22 02:59:03 PM  

Langdon Alger: George , George, George of the jungle, strong as he can be.....watch out for that tree"


Quick, get Shep here to knock down that tree!
 
2013-02-22 02:59:08 PM  

Krieghund: obligatory:
[cdn.styleforum.net image 522x600]


I resemble that remark!!!!
/23 years retired 2007.  Had that on my desk for years.


This would have NEVER happened if FLYNAVY was there.
 
2013-02-22 02:59:15 PM  
I sure meet an awful lot of pasty, overweight, duck-walking guys that claim they were special forces.

It's not like I believe them, but I sometimes wish people would switch it up and be more realistic with their lies.

/I used to grease the Canooter valves on the Finortner joints
 
2013-02-22 02:59:54 PM  

Treygreen13: I see that some people think parachuting is a precise exercise.


Didn't Bear Grylls start one show parachuting into a tree canopy 100 feet up, and demonstrating how to get down...?
 
2013-02-22 03:00:04 PM  

lack of warmth: Article doesn't say if the soldiers were using the old airborne style chute or the skydiver wing chute ( I am not going to pretend I know the proper names), for the later would be embarrassing.  The former doesn't give hardly any control.

The question really isn't Army verses Navy when talking special forces, since the Army is used as a benchmark for how the other branches train their special forces.  The real question would be Marine verses Seal.  I heard Airforce has a special force now, but come on, they barely train their average soldier how to fight.  I had a coworker leave for the Airforce couple of years ago, saying he was going to be a ground troop.  I gave him the yeah right look, since the guy weighed a buck twenty.  He relented and confessed that he'll be involved with frontline communications, from a safe position.  I snickered and walked away.  He was one of those 'buy the real military gear to play paintball or airsoft' guys.


You don't sound like you've ever served yet have the gall to mock another.
 
2013-02-22 03:00:18 PM  
This guy had it worse.

www.gonemovies.com
 
2013-02-22 03:00:38 PM  
Bigfoot must of been laughing his ass off.
 
2013-02-22 03:00:52 PM  

Pocket Ninja: Shostie: Wouldn't the Green Berets be a closer match to the SEALs?

Whatever, man. The green berets don't even know what color their berets are anymore.

Anyway, this is all a mute point. One highly trained soldier in the marine core is worth a dozen green berets.


Except it's a "moot" point, and it's the Marine "Corps."

And that is why the Navy is happy to give rides to all the Marines when they're sent in first. They catch the bullets.
 
2013-02-22 03:01:39 PM  
Trainees in trees... So with a round chute you can't aim. with all you see spent on the f22 debacle... Why the hell don't our airborne folks get a better chute? At least we know those work.
 
2013-02-22 03:01:56 PM  
Great joke, Subby!

Now for a dose of reality...

Rangers a chosen from soldiers who have completed boot camp.  So, after a few months of boot camp, an 18-19 year old is then sent through 6 weeks (or so) of Ranger school, and is then dubbed a Ranger.

To become a SEAL, you go through boot camp, then through A school, so you know how to fix torpedoes, computers or radars.  Then, if selected, you go through BUDS, and upon completion of that training, you are considered a SEAL.

After being posted to your unit, you go through more training, and get several years worth of experience.  Then, if you are the top guy in your SEAL team, you might be good enough to apply for SEAL team 6.

Question, are NFL players competing in the pro bowl better players than college sophmores?  I would think so, and you are trying to compare the two with a little Navy hates Army bullshiat.

SEAL team 6 members are lousy at flying F-18s, subby. Does that make them "inferior"?

// CSB, I once scared the shiat out of a bunch of SEALS when I told them that if they were in a shipping lane when a big freighter came through, their Itty Bitty Ship would be crushed and they would be shark food.  The freighters aren't looking out for little people with glow sticks...And you can't karate chop a freighter...
 
2013-02-22 03:02:03 PM  

Shostie: Wouldn't the Green Berets be a closer match to the SEALs?


Not really -- as I understand, SEALs and Rangers are both geared towards quick-strike raids, whereas the Special Forces tend to do more long-term "adviser" -type stuff -- working with local guerrilla groups to fight against a common foe.

/ex-boss was a Green Beret.
 
2013-02-22 03:02:50 PM  

boloabs: Lt. Col. Dangerfield claims Rangers get no respect.


And that's the joke I came to make.
 
2013-02-22 03:02:50 PM  
www.morethings.com

Army strong
 
2013-02-22 03:02:54 PM  
Better at what sucking dick?
 
2013-02-22 03:03:50 PM  

Pocket Ninja: Shostie: Wouldn't the Green Berets be a closer match to the SEALs?

Whatever, man. The green berets don't even know what color their berets are anymore.

Anyway, this is all a mute point. One highly trained soldier in the marine core is worth a dozen green berets.


^This. And thanks for the kudos. We're a small band of brothers, but we are highly skilled warriors..

/Once a Marine, always a Marine.
//Specially trained 0311
///And it's Marine Corps
 
2013-02-22 03:04:25 PM  
To be fair, the chances of getting caught in a tree while swimming up to a beach do tend to be a tad lower...
 
2013-02-22 03:04:36 PM  
Ford or Chevy? That's the question.
 
2013-02-22 03:05:22 PM  

Pocket Ninja: Anyway, this is all a mute point. One highly trained soldier in the marine core is worth a dozen green berets.


Moot
Soldiers are in the Army, Marines are in the Marine Corps.
Marine Corps, not Marine core.
Green Berets is capitalized.
 
2013-02-22 03:05:27 PM  
Ranger are the army's SEAL team 6? Thanks for that bit of stupidity subby, I would've thought Delta but I'm more interested in facts than being a dick.
 
2013-02-22 03:05:45 PM  

FlashHarry: Pocket Ninja: Anyway, this is all a mute point. One highly trained soldier in the marine core is worth a dozen green berets.

you misspelled bear-rays.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-22 03:06:24 PM  
You have your Purple Heart and then you have your Eaten By Squirrels medal.
 
2013-02-22 03:06:56 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Pocket Ninja: Anyway, this is all a mute point. One highly trained soldier in the marine core is worth a dozen green berets.

Moot
Soldiers are in the Army, Marines are in the Marine Corps.
Marine Corps, not Marine core.
Green Berets is capitalized.


you must be new.
 
2013-02-22 03:07:02 PM  

Charlie Chingas: ///And it's Marine Corps


Old Fark meme... one farker tried to claim that he was a "soldier in the marine core"... and was, ahem, called out on his bullshiat.
 
2013-02-22 03:07:32 PM  
I don't go out with girls anymore
I live the life of danger
I sit in the woods and play with myself
WHEE! I'm a Ranger.
 
2013-02-22 03:07:56 PM  

Charlie Chingas: Once a Marine, always a Marine.
//Specially trained 0311
///And it's Marine Corps


You must be very proud of yourself, miss.
 
2013-02-22 03:08:18 PM  

MFAWG: I don't go out with girls anymore
I live the life of danger
I sit in the woods and play with myself
WHEE! I'm a Ranger.


I want to be a forest ranger
I want to be like smokey bear
I don't want no life of danger
smoke my dope and grow my hair..
 
2013-02-22 03:08:24 PM  

maddogdelta: Charlie Chingas: ///And it's Marine Corps

Old Fark meme... one farker tried to claim that he was a "soldier in the marine core"... and was, ahem, called out on his bullshiat.


He then blamed the "typo" on the fact that his wife was supposedly typing the post on his behalf.  Good times.  Anybody have a link to that thread?
 
2013-02-22 03:08:56 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Pocket Ninja: Anyway, this is all a mute point. One highly trained soldier in the marine core is worth a dozen green berets.

Moot
Soldiers are in the Army, Marines are in the Marine Corps.
Marine Corps, not Marine core.
Green Berets is capitalized.


I guess you guys haven't been here that long
 
2013-02-22 03:09:04 PM  

lack of warmth: I heard Airforce has a special force now, but come on, they barely train their average soldier how to fight.  I had a coworker leave for the Airforce couple of years ago, saying he was going to be a ground troop.  I gave him the yeah right look, since the guy weighed a buck twenty.  He relented and confessed that he'll be involved with frontline communications, from a safe position.  I snickered and walked away.  He was one of those 'buy the real military gear to play paintball or airsoft' guys.


Air Force Cross citation for Senior Airman Jason Dean Cunningham, AFSOC:

Awarded  posthumously for actions during the Global War on Terror

The President of the United States of America, authorized by Title 10, Section 8742, United States Code, takes pride in presenting the Air Force Cross (Posthumously) to Senior Airman Jason Dean Cunningham, United States Air Force, for extraordinary heroism in military operations against an opposing armed force while serving as a Pararescueman of the 38th Rescue Squadron, 247th Operations Group, in action near the village of Marzak in the Paktia Province of Afghanistan on 4 March 2002. On that proud day, Airman Cunningham was the primary Air Force Combat Search and Rescue medic assigned to a Quick Reaction Force tasked to recover two American servicemen evading capture in austere terrain occupied by massed Al Qaida and Taliban forces. Shortly before landing, his MH-47E helicopter received accurate rocket-propelled grenade and small arms fire, severely disabling the aircraft and causing it to crash land. The assault force formed a hasty defense and immediately suffered three fatalities and five critical casualties. Despite effective enemy fire, and at great risk to his own life, Airman Cunningham remained in the burning fuselage of the aircraft in order to treat the wounded. As he moved his patients to a more secure location, mortar rounds began to impact within fifty feet of his position. Disregarding this extreme danger, he continued the movement and exposed himself to enemy fire on seven separate occasions. When the second casualty collection point was also compromised, in a display of uncommon valor and gallantry, Airman Cunningham braved an intense small arms and rocket-propelled grenade attack while repositioning the critically wounded to a third collection point. Even after he was mortally wounded and quickly deteriorating, he continued to direct patient movement and transferred care to another medic. In the end, his distinct efforts led to the successful delivery of ten gravely wounded Americans to life-saving medical treatment. Through his extraordinary heroism, superb airmanship, aggressiveness in the face of the enemy, and in the dedication of his service to his country, Senior Airman Cunningham reflected the highest credit upon himself and the United States Air Force.


Action Date:March 4, 2002

Service:Air Force

Rank:Senior Airman

Company:38th Rescue Squadron

Regiment:247th Operations Group

Division:Moody Air Force Base, Georgia


Sounds pretty badass to me...
 
2013-02-22 03:09:11 PM  

Pocket Ninja: Shostie: Wouldn't the Green Berets be a closer match to the SEALs?

Whatever, man. The green berets don't even know what color their berets are anymore.

Anyway, this is all a mute point. One highly trained soldier in the marine core is worth a dozen green berets.


moot point
Marines aren't soldiers
Marine corps
 
2013-02-22 03:09:52 PM  
Fun fact: the special forces unit that flew the SEALs in and out were Night Stalkers, part of the Army.
 
2013-02-22 03:10:24 PM  
Scrotastic Method: .

Except it's a "moot" point, and it's the Marine "Corps."



Charlie Chingas:
///And it's Marine Corps

The hits keep coming!
 
2013-02-22 03:10:34 PM  

boloabs: Lt. Col. Dangerfield claims Rangers get no respect.


Came for this. Well done.
 
2013-02-22 03:10:37 PM  
Speaking of Army/Navy...

We have an Army Research Laboratory and a Navy Research Laboratory. There's also an Air Force Research Laboratory.

Anybody got a good reason for why? Why isn't there a Defense Research Laboratory? Put them all in the same house and that cuts costs. They would still accomplish the needs of the missions of each service.

/defense civilian
//that's not the only place we could consolidate
 
2013-02-22 03:10:48 PM  
There are two kinds of static-line parachutists.

Those that have LANDED in the trees, and those that are GOING to land in the trees.

Whether it's due to the Air Force. the winds, the Jumpmaster, or the DZSO, your destiny is sealed the moment you don that chute, and it's not a question of IF, but WHEN.

I've had to call the fire department and get them to use a ladder truck to SAFELY reach and lower a muldoon out there.

The trees on Rogers DZ ain't no joke.

Better than landing on tarmac though...usually.
 
2013-02-22 03:11:29 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Pocket Ninja: Anyway, this is all a mute point. One highly trained soldier in the marine core is worth a dozen green berets.

Moot
Soldiers are in the Army, Marines are in the Marine Corps.
Marine Corps, not Marine core.
Green Berets is capitalized.


Just highlight PN and enjoy his posts.  Don't let the hook scar bother you too much.
 
2013-02-22 03:11:50 PM  

HappyGryphon: Trainees in trees... So with a round chute you can't aim. with all you see spent on the f22 debacle... Why the hell don't our airborne folks get a better chute? At least we know those work.


It seems like these days the Airborne just does the parachute stuff for a historical sense.  Special forces uses their steerable stuff for all kinds of HALO and LALO jumps in small numbers, but combat drops are rare.

For example the last drop I'm aware of was in 2003 in Bashur.  The airfield was actually coalition held, but the Airborne Mafia had the 173rd Airborne Brigade drop (and then fought to have it called a combat drop) so they claim the military did still paratrooper stuff.

The deal is that if it is safe enough to float your ass down as part of a mass drop, it is also likely safe enough to hop of a helicopter.  About the only reasons you drop are because the C-130s can carry heavier equipment or the helis don't have the range.
 
2013-02-22 03:13:18 PM  

lack of warmth: I heard Airforce has a special force now


They're called PJ's... the guys who go in under hostile fire to pull out casualties. They've actually been around for many decades.

Met some while in Kandahar. Badass guys... walls of muscle, and facial hair to appear like one of the locals. Heh... the first shirt told them that if they wanted to stay in the AF compound for more than a day, they would have to shave their beards, get haircuts and abide by AFI 36-2903. I have never seen a shirt, or really anyone, get chewed out like he did.
 
2013-02-22 03:13:52 PM  

Pocket Ninja: Shostie: Wouldn't the Green Berets be a closer match to the SEALs?

Whatever, man. The green berets don't even know what color their berets are anymore.

Anyway, this is all a mute point. One highly trained soldier in the marine core is worth a dozen green berets.


Next time I go fishing, you're coming with me. That's some darn fine bait...
 
2013-02-22 03:13:53 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Hmm, yes, my colleagues and I do the same but we argue for Harvard vs. Yale.  The nerve of those Yalies!


A man from Harvard and a man from Yale are in a rest room urinating. Once they are done expressing them selves the man from Harvard goes to the wash basin and starts to was his hands. The man from Yale heads for the exit.

"Excuse me old chap" the man from Harvard remarks, " but at Harvard, they taught us to wash up after relieving ourselves ."

"Indeed!" Replies the Yalie, " At Yale, good sir, they instructed us to not piss on our hands!"
 
2013-02-22 03:14:43 PM  

meanmutton: Pocket Ninja: Shostie: Wouldn't the Green Berets be a closer match to the SEALs?

Whatever, man. The green berets don't even know what color their berets are anymore.

Anyway, this is all a mute point. One highly trained soldier in the marine core is worth a dozen green berets.

moot point
Marines aren't soldiers
Marine corps


Haha! meanmutton meet Pocket Ninja.

/P.N. doesn't do those things by accident.
 
2013-02-22 03:15:41 PM  

opiumpoopy: Treygreen13: I see that some people think parachuting is a precise exercise.

Didn't Bear Grylls start one show parachuting into a tree canopy 100 feet up, and demonstrating how to get down...?


With the assistance of 6 guys, a film crew, and hotel half a mile away, sure.
 
2013-02-22 03:15:57 PM  

Charlie Chingas: Marine Corps


Pretty sure it's core.
 
2013-02-22 03:16:04 PM  
I went to PLDC in Ft Lewis.  Only non-ranger tabbed in my class.   It was a good time

Here in Idaho, we have smokejumpers.    Those guys land in trees all the time.  Experts at getting themselves out.    No one else is coming to get them if they don't get themselves down.
 
2013-02-22 03:16:18 PM  

Cerebral Knievel: Rapmaster2000: Hmm, yes, my colleagues and I do the same but we argue for Harvard vs. Yale.  The nerve of those Yalies!

A man from Harvard and a man from Yale are in a rest room urinating. Once they are done expressing them selves the man from Harvard goes to the wash basin and starts to was his hands. The man from Yale heads for the exit.

"Excuse me old chap" the man from Harvard remarks, " but at Harvard, they taught us to wash up after relieving ourselves ."

"Indeed!" Replies the Yalie, " At Yale, good sir, they instructed us to not piss on our hands!"


Yeah that joke has so many different renditions with so many different rival organizations.

Guys, wash your farking hands. I have no intention of shaking hands with your penis.
 
2013-02-22 03:16:38 PM  
It's the Air Force's fault.
 
2013-02-22 03:17:44 PM  

Tommyknocker2121: lack of warmth: I heard Airforce has a special force now, but come on, they barely train their average soldier how to fight.  I had a coworker leave for the Airforce couple of years ago, saying he was going to be a ground troop.  I gave him the yeah right look, since the guy weighed a buck twenty.  He relented and confessed that he'll be involved with frontline communications, from a safe position.  I snickered and walked away.  He was one of those 'buy the real military gear to play paintball or airsoft' guys.

Air Force Cross citation for Senior Airman Jason Dean Cunningham, AFSOC:

Awarded  posthumously for actions during the Global War on Terror

The President of the United States of America, authorized by Title 10, Section 8742, United States Code, takes pride in presenting the Air Force Cross (Posthumously) to Senior Airman Jason Dean Cunningham, United States Air Force, for extraordinary heroism in military operations against an opposing armed force while serving as a Pararescueman of the 38th Rescue Squadron, 247th Operations Group, in action near the village of Marzak in the Paktia Province of Afghanistan on 4 March 2002. On that proud day, Airman Cunningham was the primary Air Force Combat Search and Rescue medic assigned to a Quick Reaction Force tasked to recover two American servicemen evading capture in austere terrain occupied by massed Al Qaida and Taliban forces. Shortly before landing, his MH-47E helicopter received accurate rocket-propelled grenade and small arms fire, severely disabling the aircraft and causing it to crash land. The assault force formed a hasty defense and immediately suffered three fatalities and five critical casualties. Despite effective enemy fire, and at great risk to his own life, Airman Cunningham remained in the burning fuselage of the aircraft in order to treat the wounded. As he moved his patients to a more secure location, mortar rounds began to impact within fifty feet of his position. Disregarding this extreme danger ...


Look up William Pitsenbarger for an eeriely similar action in Vietnam.  Pits eventually was awarded the MoH.
 
2013-02-22 03:18:05 PM  
"According to the regiment's website, its members make up "the Army's premier raid force" and they are "always combat ready."

/Unless they are stuck in trees
 
2013-02-22 03:18:18 PM  

UsikFark: Charlie Chingas: Marine Corps

Pretty sure it's core.


Pretty sure you are wrong.   It is pronounced core, put it is spelled Corps
 
2013-02-22 03:18:29 PM  

lack of warmth: Article doesn't say if the soldiers were using the old airborne style chute or the skydiver wing chute ( I am not going to pretend I know the proper names), for the later would be embarrassing.  The former doesn't give hardly any control.

The question really isn't Army verses Navy when talking special forces, since the Army is used as a benchmark for how the other branches train their special forces.  The real question would be Marine verses Seal.  I heard Airforce has a special force now, but come on, they barely train their average soldier how to fight.  I had a coworker leave for the Airforce couple of years ago, saying he was going to be a ground troop.  I gave him the yeah right look, since the guy weighed a buck twenty.  He relented and confessed that he'll be involved with frontline communications, from a safe position.  I snickered and walked away.  He was one of those 'buy the real military gear to play paintball or airsoft' guys.


You "heard" the USAF has special forces now?  Well my friend you'd be wrong.  Green Berets are the only "Special Forces", everyone else is an operator.

/USN DEVGRU is catching crap for talking to the media and removing the secrecy from their image
//USAF Specops are smart enough not to do that.  That's why you don't know about them.
///Even SEALS have to call 911
 
2013-02-22 03:18:39 PM  
Seal Team 6 Army equivalent would be Delta Force
 
2013-02-22 03:18:51 PM  
lack of warmth:
 I heard Airforce has a special force now, but come on, they barely train their average soldier how to fight.  I had a coworker leave for the Airforce couple of years ago, saying he was going to be a ground troop.  I gave him the yeah right look, since the guy weighed a buck twenty.  He relented and confessed that he'll be involved with frontline communications, from a safe position.  I snickered and walked away.  He was one of those 'buy the real military gear to play paintball or airsoft' guys.

PJs (pararescue) are some of the baddest mother farkers around. Period. PJs are who SEALs and Green Berets call for medical evac and who are tasked with recovering pilots downed behind enemy lines. They are air force. Yeah.
 
2013-02-22 03:18:55 PM  

Forced Perspective: maddogdelta: Charlie Chingas: ///And it's Marine Corps

Old Fark meme... one farker tried to claim that he was a "soldier in the marine core"... and was, ahem, called out on his bullshiat.

He then blamed the "typo" on the fact that his wife was supposedly typing the post on his behalf.  Good times.  Anybody have a link to that thread?


No shiat? HA! Would love to see that thread myself. I don't normally brag about being in the Corps, but when someone misspells it, even Pocket Ninja, I must say something. To all my brothers out there reading this: OOH RAH!
 
2013-02-22 03:19:12 PM  

weiserfireman: UsikFark: Charlie Chingas: Marine Corps

Pretty sure it's core.

Pretty sure you are wrong.   It is pronounced core, put it is spelled Corps


No, I played CoD a lot, and it's Core
 
2013-02-22 03:19:44 PM  
www.militaryphotos.net
 
2013-02-22 03:20:11 PM  

vudukungfu: Charlie Chingas: Once a Marine, always a Marine.
//Specially trained 0311
///And it's Marine Corps

You must be very proud of yourself, miss.


Yes ma'am. I am very proud of that title. Earned it I did.
 
2013-02-22 03:20:13 PM  

Pocket Ninja: Shostie: Wouldn't the Green Berets be a closer match to the SEALs?

Whatever, man. The green berets don't even know what color their berets are anymore.

Anyway, this is all a mute point. One highly trained soldier

Marine in the Marine core Corps is worth a dozen green berets.

//ftfy
///Semper Fidelis
 
2013-02-22 03:20:25 PM  
Instead of parachutes, they should be fitted with those flying-squirrel-type jumpsuits.  I don't know how efficacious that would be in a combat situation, but it would look damn cool.
 
2013-02-22 03:21:01 PM  
Dear Pocket Ninja,

I tip my hat in your general direction.

Sincerely,

E. Slaptyback
 
2013-02-22 03:21:28 PM  

Fark Rye For Many Whores: FlashHarry: Pocket Ninja: Anyway, this is all a mute point. One highly trained soldier in the marine core is worth a dozen green berets.

you misspelled bear-rays.

[i.imgur.com image 500x783]


god, i love the internets.
 
2013-02-22 03:21:42 PM  
What the fark did you just farking say about me, you little biatch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fark out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my farking words. You think you can get away with saying that shiat to me over the Internet? Think again, farker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're farking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shiat. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your farking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shiat fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're farking dead, kiddo.
 
2013-02-22 03:21:53 PM  
Both parents were Navy, I went in a different direction.  Duty, Honor, Country
 
2013-02-22 03:22:00 PM  

Arkanaut: Shostie: Wouldn't the Green Berets be a closer match to the SEALs?

Not really -- as I understand, SEALs and Rangers are both geared towards quick-strike raids, whereas the Special Forces tend to do more long-term "adviser" -type stuff -- working with local guerrilla groups to fight against a common foe.

/ex-boss was a Green Beret.


Yea, this is sort of the case, but comparing Delta Force to the SEALs is probably the best analogy. They have similar fast-strike specialization. Just about any motivated infantryman can become a ranger, but only the top performers make it into Delta Force.
 
2013-02-22 03:22:01 PM  
I did this one in PLDC

♫C-130 rolling down the strip,
64 rangers gonna take a little trip.
Stand up, hook up, shuffle to the door,
I sit back down 'cause I'm Signal Corps♪

SGLs were not amused.
 
2013-02-22 03:22:32 PM  

Pocket Ninja: Shostie: Wouldn't the Green Berets be a closer match to the SEALs?

Whatever, man. The green berets don't even know what color their berets are anymore.

Anyway, this is all a mute point. One highly trained soldier in the marine core is worth a dozen green berets.


you, sir, win 9 out of 10 internets.
 
2013-02-22 03:22:40 PM  

rogiesangel: Pocket Ninja: Shostie: Wouldn't the Green Berets be a closer match to the SEALs?

Whatever, man. The green berets don't even know what color their berets are anymore.

Anyway, this is all a mute point. One highly trained soldier Marine in the Marine core Corps is worth a dozen green berets.

//ftfy
///Semper Fidelis


i54.tinypic.com

/you missed "mute" point, too.
 
2013-02-22 03:23:16 PM  

casual disregard: Why isn't there a Defense Research Laboratory?


DARPA?
 
2013-02-22 03:23:40 PM  
The most relevant question:  Can the Rangers (or Delta, or whatever) keep their mouth shut about confidential missions after the fact?
 
2013-02-22 03:24:33 PM  

Bender The Offender: Ranger are the army's SEAL team 6? Thanks for that bit of stupidity subby, I would've thought Delta but I'm more interested in facts than being a dick.


I thought it was Delta Force as well.  Seal Team 6 was created to handle counter-terrorism and the extreme jobs that need ultra-specialized training.  They're the best of the best in the Navy.  Same thing with Delta Force.  To say that the Rangers are the Army's equivalent of SEAL Team 6 is like saying that Kraft Parmesan in a can is the same as well-aged Parmesan imported from Italy.

Arkanaut: Shostie: Wouldn't the Green Berets be a closer match to the SEALs?
Not really -- as I understand, SEALs and Rangers are both geared towards quick-strike raids, whereas the Special Forces tend to do more long-term "adviser" -type stuff -- working with local guerrilla groups to fight against a common foe.
/ex-boss was a Green Beret.


Sorry.  Incorrect.  The Navy SEALs during Vietnam did long-term "adviser" roles with the Cambodians on river operations.
Basing it on a single role they can play in military strategy is shortchanging the Navy SEALs and what they can do.  SEALs can do quick-strike raids, demolitions, and other roles on Sea, Air, and Land, hence the acronym.  As a whole, based upon everything--fitness, training, skills, etc--Delta Force is the closest to Navy SEAL Team 6.
 
2013-02-22 03:25:47 PM  

Fark Rye For Many Whores: casual disregard: Why isn't there a Defense Research Laboratory?

DARPA?


Eureka?

/sorry
 
2013-02-22 03:25:55 PM  
    
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                                      to a Slideshow of Unbathed Cats in Encino, Which, by Trying
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                                      for People Who Eschew Cheesecake for Dessert
 
2013-02-22 03:26:08 PM  
My wife's uncle got caught in a tree during a night jump in Vietnam. They told them if they got caught to not to make any noise or turn on any lights lest they draw the attention of the enemy. So he hung there for several hours in complete darkness. When there was enough light to see, he saw he was bout 6 feet off the ground. By that time his legs had no feeling. So he just cut loose and dropped. He said that the jump harness they wore had a strap that was about 30 feet long that could be deployed to climb down in case something like this happened.
 
2013-02-22 03:26:08 PM  

weiserfireman: UsikFark: Charlie Chingas: Marine Corps

Pretty sure it's core.

Pretty sure you are wrong.   It is pronounced core, put it is spelled Corps


ALL of you are WRONG

It's Spelled C-O-R-P-S-E.
images.rcp.realclearpolitics.com
 
2013-02-22 03:26:48 PM  

casual disregard: Anybody got a good reason for why? Why isn't there a Defense Research Laboratory? Put them all in the same house and that cuts costs. They would still accomplish the needs of the missions of each service.


Stargate Command isn't going to fall under anyone else's budget but the Air Force.
 
2013-02-22 03:26:54 PM  
img.photobucket.com

"I don't have that problem"
 
2013-02-22 03:27:15 PM  

Pin Fiften Clob: weiserfireman: UsikFark: Charlie Chingas: Marine Corps

Pretty sure it's core.

Pretty sure you are wrong.   It is pronounced core, put it is spelled Corps

No, I played CoD a lot, and it's Core


Look kid, I don't know what your problem is, but you disrespect the Core.
 
2013-02-22 03:27:50 PM  

RoxtarRyan: lack of warmth: I heard Airforce has a special force now

They're called PJ's... the guys who go in under hostile fire to pull out casualties. They've actually been around for many decades.

Met some while in Kandahar. Badass guys... walls of muscle, and facial hair to appear like one of the locals. Heh... the first shirt told them that if they wanted to stay in the AF compound for more than a day, they would have to shave their beards, get haircuts and abide by AFI 36-2903. I have never seen a shirt, or really anyone, get chewed out like he did.


Don't forget the combat controllers too. USAF consider them an SF unit don't they?
 
2013-02-22 03:27:55 PM  

Charlie Chingas: Forced Perspective: maddogdelta: Charlie Chingas: ///And it's Marine Corps

Old Fark meme... one farker tried to claim that he was a "soldier in the marine core"... and was, ahem, called out on his bullshiat.

He then blamed the "typo" on the fact that his wife was supposedly typing the post on his behalf.  Good times.  Anybody have a link to that thread?

No shiat? HA! Would love to see that thread myself. I don't normally brag about being in the Corps, but when someone misspells it, even Pocket Ninja, I must say something. To all my brothers out there reading this: OOH RAH!


I found it.  Enjoy:

www.fark.com/comments/3129410/US-Marine-Corps-Commandant-suggests-th at -all-US-Marines-withdraw-from-Iraq-redeploy-to-face-actual-enemies-in- Afghanistan

The comment that started it all is "
I'd go for that. Iraq can be contained by the Army. Let the Core finish up in Afghanistan," by a user who had claimed to be a marine.  Things go downhill from there.
 
2013-02-22 03:29:33 PM  

Sticky Hands: I am trained in gorilla warfare


NTTAWWT
 
2013-02-22 03:29:42 PM  

Pocket Ninja: Shostie: Wouldn't the Green Berets be a closer match to the SEALs?

Whatever, man. The green berets don't even know what color their berets are anymore.

Anyway, this is all a mute point. One highly trained soldier in the marine core is worth a dozen green berets.


You said mute. You meant moot. Unless shut up? Also core? eh, what?
 
2013-02-22 03:29:49 PM  

Forced Perspective: I'd go for that. Iraq can be contained by the Army. Let the Core finish up in Afghanistan," by a user who had claimed to be a marine. Things go downhill from there.


Oh, and he blames the wife in this thread: http://www.fark.com/comments/715637/White-House-security-wants-a-thre e -day-shutdown-of-central-London-so-that-protestors-dont-make-George-Bu sh-look-like-a-fool#c5297187

The entire thing is gold.
 
2013-02-22 03:30:04 PM  

RoxtarRyan: PJ's


Do no fark with PJs.
You may buy them a drink,
But don't talk to them.

They will jump out of a chopper, no chute, behind enemy lines, unarmed, to save your front line overrun ass. If they need a weapon they will take it from the enemy and use it and discard it. They are like Gurkha with out knives, except they carry knives. Medical knives.

And they make the green beret look like the clerk typists that they are.
 
2013-02-22 03:30:37 PM  

Bender The Offender:
PJs (pararescue) are some of the baddest mother farkers around. Period. PJs are who SEALs and Green Berets call for medical evac and who are tasked with recovering pilots downed behind enemy lines. They are air force. Yeah.

Combat Controllers are pretty badass also:

Staff Seargeant Robert Gutierrez, Jr:

he President of the United States of America, authorized by Title 10, Section 8742, United States Code, takes pleasure in presenting the Air Force Cross to Staff Sergeant Robert Gutierrez, Jr., United States Air Force, for extraordinary heroism in military operations against an armed enemy of the United States in Heart Province, Afghanistan, on 5 October 2009. On that date, while assigned as a combat controller to an Army Special Forces Detachment, Sergeant Gutierrez and his team conducted a high-risk nighttime raid to capture the number two Taliban leader in the region. During the initial assault, the team was attacked with a barrage of rifle and heavy machine-gun fire from a numerically superior and determined enemy  force. Sergeant Gutierrez was shot in the chest, his team leader was shot in the leg, and the ten-man element was pinned down in a building with no escape route. In great pain and confronting the very real possibility that he would die, Sergeant Gutierrez seized the initiative and refused to relinquish his duties as joint terminal attack controller. Under intense fire, he engaged Taliban fighters with his M-4 rifle and brought airpower to bear, controlling three "danger close" A-10 strafing runs with exceptional precision against enemy forces just 30 feet away. After the first A-10 attack, the team medic performed a needle decompression to re-inflate Sergeant Gutierrez's collapsed lung, allowing him to direct the next two strafe runs which decimated the enemy force and allowed the team to escape the kill zone without additional casualties. Throughout the four-hour battle, Sergeant Gutierrez's valorous actions, at great risk to his own life, helped save the lives of his teammates and dealt a crushing blow to the regional Taliban network. Through his extraordinary heroism, superb airmanship, and aggressiveness in the face of the enemy, Sergeant Gutierrez reflected the highest credit upon himself and the United States Air Force.

Action Date:October 5, 2009

Service:Air Force

Rank:Staff Sergeant

Proletariat In Charge: Look up William Pitsenbarger for an eeriely similar action in Vietnam.  Pits eventually was awarded the MoH.


Scary how alike their citations are.

Chief Etchberger's citation is pretty awe-insirpiring also:
http://www.af.mil/information/heritage/person.asp?dec=&pid=123226750
 
2013-02-22 03:30:49 PM  

Sticky Hands: What the fark did you just farking say about me, you little biatch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fark out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my farking words. You think you can get away with saying that shiat to me over the Internet? Think again, farker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're farking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shiat. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your farking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shiat fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're farking dead, kiddo.


"Guerrilla" warfare sir or madam.
"Gorilla" warfare, I believe, involves flinging your own feces.

/not usually a grammar/spelling nazi
//but this post was really asking for it
 
2013-02-22 03:32:16 PM  

Pocket Ninja: Shostie: Wouldn't the Green Berets be a closer match to the SEALs?

Whatever, man. The green berets don't even know what color their berets are anymore.

Anyway, this is all a mute point. One highly trained soldier in the marine core is worth a dozen green berets.


----------------------
http://www.fark.com/comments/7607604/82669827#c82669827" rel=nofollow target=_blank>Pocket Ninja: Shostie: Wouldn't the Green Berets be a closer match to the SEALs?

Whatever, man. The green berets don't even know what color their berets are anymore.

Anyway, this is all a mute point. One highly trained soldier in the marine core is worth a dozen green berets.


You said mute. You meant moot. Unless shut up? Also core? eh, what? ____________________
I sarchasms you back
 
2013-02-22 03:32:49 PM  

oakleym82: Pocket Ninja: Shostie: Wouldn't the Green Berets be a closer match to the SEALs?

Whatever, man. The green berets don't even know what color their berets are anymore.

Anyway, this is all a mute point. One highly trained soldier in the marine core is worth a dozen green berets.

you, sir, win 9 out of 10 internets.


Ho ha! PN is a 4 star admiral. The rest of us are merely grumps fresh out of basic.

/10-HUP!
 
2013-02-22 03:32:58 PM  
Paging the Convincing Savant, you farkwit.
 
2013-02-22 03:34:06 PM  

casual disregard: Speaking of Army/Navy...

We have an Army Research Laboratory and a Navy Research Laboratory. There's also an Air Force Research Laboratory.

Anybody got a good reason for why? Why isn't there a Defense Research Laboratory? Put them all in the same house and that cuts costs. They would still accomplish the needs of the missions of each service.

/defense civilian
//that's not the only place we could consolidate


This is the sort of genius thinking that got us the hot mess they call the Joint Strike Fighter.  Three guesses as to how well that's turned out, first two don't count.

/It also happened with the F-111
 
2013-02-22 03:34:19 PM  
FUN FACT:

The derogatory term for USMA Cadets vis-a-vis USNA Midshipman is "Whoops."

If you ever find yourself in a conclave of Cadets/Midshipman (Army/Navy game), you will certainly hear it: "Whoop whoop whoop whooooooooops!"

Comes from The Wizard of Oz.  The flying monkeys wore USMA drill jackets.

True story.

/Also, we salute the president with our flies open and c@cks hanging out.
//And sometimes leave our shoes behind
///Not FlyNavy
 
2013-02-22 03:34:40 PM  

Treygreen13: I see that some people think parachuting is a precise exercise.


I went alone, static line for my very first jump and landed within 15 feet of the target - all without a working radio from the instructor.

I'd never do it again, but once you get over the initial panic steering yourself isn't that hard, unless these guys were aiming for a forest.  I'm assuming they had a landing zone somewhere.
 
2013-02-22 03:35:01 PM  
Is this the fault of the homosexuals or the women?
 
2013-02-22 03:35:27 PM  
They should just automatically favorite Pocket Ninja for new Farkers.  I didn't think that was going to get any hooks, but he probably has to throw a few back to stay under the game limit.
 
2013-02-22 03:35:54 PM  
My MOS was 54B and my NEC was 3365, so I'm getting a kick out of etc etc
 
2013-02-22 03:35:54 PM  

Pocket Ninja: Shostie: Wouldn't the Green Berets be a closer match to the SEALs?

Whatever, man. The green berets don't even know what color their berets are anymore.

Anyway, this is all a mute point. One highly trained soldier in the marine core is worth a dozen green berets.




www.ieee.org
 
2013-02-22 03:35:55 PM  

Hagenhatesyouall: The trees on Rogers DZ ain't no joke.

Better than landing on tarmac though...usually.



Landing on tarmac isn't so bad.
Largely depends on the speed though.

i769.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-22 03:37:15 PM  

Pin Fiften Clob: weiserfireman: UsikFark: Charlie Chingas: Marine Corps

Pretty sure it's core.

Pretty sure you are wrong.   It is pronounced core, put it is spelled Corps

No, I played CoD a lot, and it's Core


The correct spelling is Marine Kore.
 
2013-02-22 03:38:39 PM  
And you misspelled "berea"
 
2013-02-22 03:38:47 PM  

eyeq360: Sorry.  Incorrect.  The Navy SEALs during Vietnam did long-term "adviser" roles with the Cambodians on river operations.
Basing it on a single role they can play in military strategy is shortchanging the Navy SEALs and what they can do.  SEALs can do quick-strike raids, demolitions, and other roles on Sea, Air, and Land, hence the acronym.  As a whole, based upon everything--fitness, training, skills, etc--Delta Force is the closest to Navy SEAL Team 6.


That's impressive -- I learned something today.
 
2013-02-22 03:39:19 PM  

MasterThief: casual disregard: Speaking of Army/Navy...

We have an Army Research Laboratory and a Navy Research Laboratory. There's also an Air Force Research Laboratory.

Anybody got a good reason for why? Why isn't there a Defense Research Laboratory? Put them all in the same house and that cuts costs. They would still accomplish the needs of the missions of each service.

/defense civilian
//that's not the only place we could consolidate

This is the sort of genius thinking that got us the hot mess they call the Joint Strike Fighter.  Three guesses as to how well that's turned out, first two don't count.

/It also happened with the F-111


No. Not even close. JSF has unconscionable cost overruns and fat contractors sucking on government teat. That's a different story. Almost every other nation on the planet has ONE service doing ONE job and they do just fine. They're all "purple" in that regard. The only thing keeping our multitude of services alive is rivalry and a false belief in invented tradition. The real reason they can't cut costs is because a few admirals and generals refuse to compromise.

It really is inefficient but not for the reasons you see in the news.
 
2013-02-22 03:40:26 PM  

boloabs: Lt. Col. Dangerfield claims Rangers get no respect.


done in one
 
2013-02-22 03:41:22 PM  

MythDragon: "I don't have that problem"


img.photobucket.com


Using aircraft to reach the drop zone?

How quaint.


dl.dropbox.com

 
2013-02-22 03:41:35 PM  
maddogdelta// CSB, I once scared the shiat out of a bunch of SEALS when I told them that if they were in a shipping lane when a big freighter came through, their Itty Bitty Ship would be crushed and they would be shark food. The freighters aren't looking out for little people with glow sticks...And you can't karate chop a freighter... Worst. CSB. Ever /yah, I'm sure those SEALs were sooooo scared.//They probably were so scared they quit and joined the Marine Core.
 
2013-02-22 03:42:13 PM  

casual disregard: Almost every other nation on the planet has ONE service doing ONE job



Really..... ? That's exactly the opposite of what I saw.
 
2013-02-22 03:42:26 PM  

Strategeryz0r: Don't forget the combat controllers too. USAF consider them an SF unit don't they?


I think they do.... not sure.... I pondered about joining back over a decade ago when I was an 2E1x, because the AF started wanting to add them into the PJ and other specops recon teams because of an incident where an entire team became casualties because they didn't have anyone who could frankenstein an HF radio from a toaster and a Canon printer, but I didn't really follow through with it... Shame really. But, I love my current job, working as a WMD tech, and would rather leave the real-world tough guy stuff to actual tough guys! I'm great at what I do, and proud of my uniform and would gladly do anything I could within my power, but don't expect excellent results if you ask me to haul 300lbs of dead weight 50 miles only eating tree bark and drinking urine strained through a sock.
 
2013-02-22 03:43:55 PM  
SO. MUCH. MARINES. AUTISM.i187.photobucket.com
 
GBB
2013-02-22 03:44:42 PM  
Pocket Ninja: One highly trained soldier in the marine core is worth a dozen green berets.

HA!!!  "highly trained marine"!!!!
 
2013-02-22 03:44:52 PM  

UsikFark: Charlie Chingas: Marine Corps

Pretty sure it's core.


I was lead to believe that it's coral.  if it's Marine, then it obviously lives in the water.  duh.
 
2013-02-22 03:45:06 PM  

Shostie: Wouldn't the Green Berets be a closer match to the SEALs?


If we're talking about Seal Team 6 specifically, I think Delta Force would be the better match.
 
2013-02-22 03:45:06 PM  

meanmutton: Fun fact: the special forces unit that flew the SEALs in and out were Night Stalkers, part of the Army.


So special they trashed one of their super fancy stealth helicopters.

/more like special needs than special forces.
 
2013-02-22 03:46:07 PM  
To the best of my knowledge, no Navy has ever managed to attack a target half way into a Continent. I could be wrong. Perhaps the Swiss Navy has done it.

Therefore, I will say that Army is definitely better than Navy, seeing as I am at an altitude of about 246 feet and a distance from the sea of 800 miles or so, even with the Saint Lawrence being naviagable as far as Quebec City in the Winter.

The Navy could get to me, but they'd probably have to walk at some point. Getting a naval ship big enough to fire a missile or rocket at me through the rivers and locks that separate me from the sea would be iffy. I'm not saying the Navy couldn't get the job done, because I am sure they could, but the army has a serious edge, having more personnel and resources such as armoured cars and tanks within a short distance of me.

There are many countries with no navies, but even the smallest countries have had something approximating to an army (Liechtenstein and the Vatican City have  tiny military forces, Andorra gave up their tiny army because they are adequately protected by Spain and France, which jointly govern  Andorra.

An army is your first line of domestic and foreign defence as it can deal with natural disasters, peace time emergencies, and armed insurrection or invasion.

A navy becomes important only if you have a coast or some internal coastline.

An air force is good, but eventually you have to land on water or ground unless you have those flying fortress thingies they have in SF movies. Air forces don't deal well with "hearts and minds" because it is hard to get a B-52 bomber into narrow streets where the hearts and minds that most need to be courted live.

In short, go army, preferably far away until you are needed.
 
2013-02-22 03:46:11 PM  
haha... happened to me years ago. The worst part is listening to the riggers biatch because you have to open your reserve to climb down with... They have to repack them and it's a pain because they're packed so tight... Oh well... was their job. blow it. ;)
 
2013-02-22 03:46:26 PM  

vudukungfu: But don't talk to them.


Whatever! I kept up my glass as long as they did! They were great guys, just don't give them shiat if they are out of regs for uniform and appearance compliance. They will scorch your ass if you do.
 
2013-02-22 03:47:34 PM  

Buck Henderson: Ho ha! PN is a 4 star admiral. The rest of us are merely grumps fresh out of basic.

/10-HUP!


Wife-like typing detected.
 
2013-02-22 03:47:55 PM  

casual disregard: MasterThief: casual disregard: Speaking of Army/Navy...

We have an Army Research Laboratory and a Navy Research Laboratory. There's also an Air Force Research Laboratory.

Anybody got a good reason for why? Why isn't there a Defense Research Laboratory? Put them all in the same house and that cuts costs. They would still accomplish the needs of the missions of each service.

/defense civilian
//that's not the only place we could consolidate

This is the sort of genius thinking that got us the hot mess they call the Joint Strike Fighter.  Three guesses as to how well that's turned out, first two don't count.

/It also happened with the F-111

No. Not even close. JSF has unconscionable cost overruns and fat contractors sucking on government teat. That's a different story. Almost every other nation on the planet has ONE service doing ONE job and they do just fine. They're all "purple" in that regard. The only thing keeping our multitude of services alive is rivalry and a false belief in invented tradition. The real reason they can't cut costs is because a few admirals and generals refuse to compromise.

It really is inefficient but not for the reasons you see in the news.


One of the biggest national borders in the world, two gigantic coastlines just for the mainland, the largest and most complex economy in the world, gigantic amount of foreign commitments in almost every conceivable biosphere on the planet.

You're right, fark all that flexibility, let's turn our armed forces into a beige for Casual disregard's peace of mind, so he can soothe himself with the knowledge no possible redundancy will lower monetary efficiency.
 
2013-02-22 03:49:13 PM  

lack of warmth: Article doesn't say if the soldiers were using the old airborne style chute or the skydiver wing chute ( I am not going to pretend I know the proper names), for the later would be embarrassing.  The former doesn't give hardly any control.

The question really isn't Army verses Navy when talking special forces, since the Army is used as a benchmark for how the other branches train their special forces.  The real question would be Marine verses Seal.  I heard Airforce has a special force now, but come on, they barely train their average soldier how to fight.  I had a coworker leave for the Airforce couple of years ago, saying he was going to be a ground troop.  I gave him the yeah right look, since the guy weighed a buck twenty.  He relented and confessed that he'll be involved with frontline communications, from a safe position.  I snickered and walked away.  He was one of those 'buy the real military gear to play paintball or airsoft' guys.


If he is going to be a forward air controller I wouldn't snicker. And if you ever come across a PJ and snicker I'd worry that any other service member would correct your ignorance.

When your motto is "So that others may live", snickering is astoundingly rude.
 
2013-02-22 03:49:13 PM  
UsikFark:
Look kid, I don't know what your problem is, but you disrespect the Core.

Never disrespect the Corps!

images2.wikia.nocookie.net

...and I'm out.
 
2013-02-22 03:49:54 PM  
I'm sure the army and navy care about how many suburban couch sitting COD playing children are in favour of one or the other.
 
2013-02-22 03:50:11 PM  
Article doesn't say if the soldiers were using the old airborne style chute or the skydiver wing chute ( I am not going to pretend I know the proper names), for the later would be embarrassing.  The former doesn't give hardly any control.


was probably T-10's... A little control... but you know; whether up a tree or not; like a sack-a-potatas every time..
 
2013-02-22 03:51:53 PM  
There's no shortage of stupid things Seals did even on public record.
 
2013-02-22 03:52:05 PM  

spickus: casual disregard: Almost every other nation on the planet has ONE service doing ONE job


Really..... ? That's exactly the opposite of what I saw.


Defence Research and Development Organisation - India
Defence Research and Development Canada - ...Canada
Defence Science and Technology Laboratory - UK
Defence Science and Technology Laboratory - Australia

Naval Research Laboratory - USA
Army Research Laboratory - USA
Air Force Research Laboratory - USA (should be plural - they have a ton of offices spread all over)


Maybe I missed the mark on "almost every." But don't deny the evidence. Certainly don't deny the success stories from our allies. You can keep the Air Force and the Navy. Just put them under one farking roof. Stop spending taxdollars on duplicated projects.

/i get it
//you're all madly in love with chucking zillions at DoD
///thanks for the paycheck
////from writing this post i just now noticed how odd it is murican english does not spell it "sciense"
 
2013-02-22 03:53:15 PM  

Charlie Chingas: /Once a Marine, always a Marine.
//Specially trained 0311
///And it's Marine Corps


New here, aren't you? Someone have the link to entire sordid affair?
 
2013-02-22 03:53:26 PM  

casual disregard: Cerebral Knievel: Rapmaster2000: Hmm, yes, my colleagues and I do the same but we argue for Harvard vs. Yale.  The nerve of those Yalies!

A man from Harvard and a man from Yale are in a rest room urinating. Once they are done expressing them selves the man from Harvard goes to the wash basin and starts to was his hands. The man from Yale heads for the exit.

"Excuse me old chap" the man from Harvard remarks, " but at Harvard, they taught us to wash up after relieving ourselves ."

"Indeed!" Replies the Yalie, " At Yale, good sir, they instructed us to not piss on our hands!"

Yeah that joke has so many different renditions with so many different rival organizations.

Guys, wash your farking hands. I have no intention of shaking hands with your penis.


(Thatsthejoke.jpg)

And besides, my penis is a very charming fellow.
 
2013-02-22 03:54:05 PM  

brantgoose: no Navy has ever managed to attack a target half way into a Continent


SEAL Team 6 has been pretty far into Afghanistan / Pakistan.
 
2013-02-22 03:54:07 PM  

FlashHarry: rogiesangel: Pocket Ninja: Shostie: Wouldn't the Green Berets be a closer match to the SEALs?

Whatever, man. The green berets don't even know what color their berets are anymore.

Anyway, this is all a mute point. One highly trained soldier Marine in the Marine core Corps is worth a dozen green berets.

//ftfy
///Semper Fidelis

[i54.tinypic.com image 452x339]

/you missed "mute" point, too.


I didn't miss it, it just wasn't important. You also forgot to capitalize Green Berets, and while all service men and women are important in my book, they are not as important as the Marines have been in my life.
 
2013-02-22 03:55:26 PM  

RoxtarRyan: don't expect excellent results if you ask me to haul 300lbs of dead weight 50 miles only eating tree bark and drinking urine strained through a sock.


You AF pukes get a sock? Figures.
 
2013-02-22 03:57:44 PM  

MythDragon: RoxtarRyan: don't expect excellent results if you ask me to haul 300lbs of dead weight 50 miles only eating tree bark and drinking urine strained through a sock.

You AF pukes get a sock? Figures.


I once heard a joke about Army from one of my friends who got stuck working the gate at a Ft down south... "Heh.. lock your doors all you want, the Army can steal your socks without taking off your boots!"
 
2013-02-22 03:58:53 PM  
Rangers are not equivalent to SEALS in the least,  submitter. For starters, they are not a Tier 1 Special Operations group under the command of USSOCOM, rather a regular unit of the US military designated to perform special missions. If you're wanting to compare the USNAVDEVGRU, Seal 6, with the army, you need to pull the First Special Operations Group, Detachment DELTA out of your hat.


They're pretty freakin' bad assed.

Of course, if you want to see people even more badassed than the SEALS or DELTA, you need to turn to the CIA's Special Activities Division, who exclusively recruit from Tier 1 organizations to do their work.
 
2013-02-22 03:59:21 PM  

maddogdelta: MFAWG: I don't go out with girls anymore
I live the life of danger
I sit in the woods and play with myself
WHEE! I'm a Ranger.

I want to be a forest ranger
I want to be like smokey bear
I don't want no life of danger
smoke my dope and grow my hair..


I'm a Padre!
I'm a Padre!
I'm a Padre, til I die!
And I'd rather be a Padre,
than a Cerry, from S.I.!

(Go Padres!)
 
2013-02-22 03:59:56 PM  

Mateorocks: This guy had it worse.
[www.gonemovies.com image 714x300]


CSB:
That character was based on a real soldier who really did get hung up on a church steeple while parachuting into France on D-Day.   That real soldier lived down the street from me when I was growing up and I saw him often.  Nice man.  Deaf as a post.
 
2013-02-22 04:01:05 PM  

Pocket Ninja: One highly trained soldier in the marine core is worth a dozen green berets.


Just in case no one has pointed it out yet, that's Marine Corpse.
Idiot!
 
2013-02-22 04:03:02 PM  

RoxtarRyan: vudukungfu: But don't talk to them.

Whatever! I kept up my glass as long as they did! They were great guys, just don't give them shiat if they are out of regs for uniform and appearance compliance. They will scorch your ass if you do.


I bought one a shot once.
He drank the shot.
Then chewed and swallowed the glass.
 
2013-02-22 04:06:37 PM  
You know who's been in near constant battle since 1831?  Who are constantly given suicide missions and never complain?  They are also often deserted and have to find their way back but that's just part of the job.  These guys.

i406.photobucket.com

i406.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-22 04:09:55 PM  

Mateorocks: This guy had it worse.

[www.gonemovies.com image 714x300]


He never got a dinner.
 
2013-02-22 04:10:35 PM  

RoxtarRyan: lack of warmth: I heard Airforce has a special force now

They're called PJ's... the guys who go in under hostile fire to pull out casualties. They've actually been around for many decades.

Met some while in Kandahar. Badass guys... walls of muscle, and facial hair to appear like one of the locals. Heh... the first shirt told them that if they wanted to stay in the AF compound for more than a day, they would have to shave their beards, get haircuts and abide by AFI 36-2903. I have never seen a shirt, or really anyone, get chewed out like he did.


Forgive my ignorance... shirt? From the context, I gather it's a derogatory term for some pencil pushing Academy grad, possibly the son of someone influential?
 
2013-02-22 04:10:36 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-02-22 04:13:13 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Pocket Ninja: Anyway, this is all a mute point. One highly trained soldier in the marine core is worth a dozen green berets.

Moot
Soldiers are in the Army, Marines are in the Marine Corps.
Marine Corps, not Marine core.
Green Berets is capitalized.


You have failed to detect Pocket Ninja's wife-like typing.
 
2013-02-22 04:13:16 PM  

Nexzus: RoxtarRyan: lack of warmth: I heard Airforce has a special force now

They're called PJ's... the guys who go in under hostile fire to pull out casualties. They've actually been around for many decades.

Met some while in Kandahar. Badass guys... walls of muscle, and facial hair to appear like one of the locals. Heh... the first shirt told them that if they wanted to stay in the AF compound for more than a day, they would have to shave their beards, get haircuts and abide by AFI 36-2903. I have never seen a shirt, or really anyone, get chewed out like he did.

Forgive my ignorance... shirt? From the context, I gather it's a derogatory term for some pencil pushing Academy grad, possibly the son of someone influential?


Actually, it is a respectful and casual name for the unit's First Sergent.  Also known as "Top", "Shirt" or "First Shirt".  But some can be just as useless as the pencil pushing Academy grad.
 
2013-02-22 04:14:03 PM  

give me doughnuts: When you jump off the ramp of a C-130 at night, and you are only 800 feet off the terrain, and you have a round chute, the only direction you are certain of going is down.

Also, when it is a training jump, and you are up a tall tree, you wait for people with climbing gear. Silly chances during training aren't worth taking. If it is a combat mission, then you and your squadmates will have to take care of it.


So much this....

I wasn't airborne.  I tend to think you have to be crazy to go airborne.  But I sure as hell am not going to fault them for catching a branch.  It happens a lot.  Those chute are designed to get you down as fast as you can survive and generally go straight down.  Wind is a pain tho'.  It's happened before with far worse results.
See here
and  here (this poor kids is like an ant on a kite.)

I also remember hearing about a airborne drop by the Soviets that was supposed to be a cakewalk but went very south due to high winds on the plateau they were assaulting resulting in the poorly armed defenders slaughtering them with cutlass's and short swords but I cannot find it and have to consider the possibility that it was just typical cold war scuttle butt.  Even then, the general feeling was "poor bastards!"
 
2013-02-22 04:15:12 PM  

Pocket Ninja: Shostie: Wouldn't the Green Berets be a closer match to the SEALs?

Whatever, man. The green berets don't even know what color their berets are anymore.

Anyway, this is all a mute point. One highly trained soldier in the marine core is worth a dozen green berets.


Just as I was about to see if you wer feeling okay, thinking you've really been mailing it in the last couple of weeks, I decide to scroll through the thread to see just how many you'll reel in.  It was then that I realized this may be one of your best efforts.  Maximum reward at minmum effort.  Hero indeed.
 
2013-02-22 04:15:21 PM  

MythDragon: Hagenhatesyouall: The trees on Rogers DZ ain't no joke.

Better than landing on tarmac though...usually.


Landing on tarmac isn't so bad.
Largely depends on the speed though.

[i769.photobucket.com image 346x333]


Pilot wings!  Yes!

/Only time I came close to beating it was with an emulator with a handy rewind feature.  Gawd, that game.
//LOL at all the broken sarcasm meters in this thread.
 
2013-02-22 04:15:24 PM  

Sticky Hands: What the fark did you just farking say about me, you little biatch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fark out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my farking words. You think you can get away with saying that shiat to me over the Internet? Think again, farker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're farking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps CORE and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shiat. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your farking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shiat fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're farking dead, kiddo.


so awesome yet a lil typo and you missed out on such a great opportunity.
 
2013-02-22 04:15:29 PM  

casual disregard: spickus: casual disregard: Almost every other nation on the planet has ONE service doing ONE job


Really..... ? That's exactly the opposite of what I saw.

Defence Research and Development Organisation - India
Defence Research and Development Canada - ...Canada
Defence Science and Technology Laboratory - UK
Defence Science and Technology Laboratory - Australia

Naval Research Laboratory - USA
Army Research Laboratory - USA
Air Force Research Laboratory - USA (should be plural - they have a ton of offices spread all over)


Maybe I missed the mark on "almost every." But don't deny the evidence. Certainly don't deny the success stories from our allies. You can keep the Air Force and the Navy. Just put them under one farking roof. Stop spending taxdollars on duplicated projects.

/i get it
//you're all madly in love with chucking zillions at DoD
///thanks for the paycheck
////from writing this post i just now noticed how odd it is murican english does not spell it "sciense"


Perhaps you mean one Defense Research and Development Organisation. All the countries named by you have separate branches.
 
2013-02-22 04:15:45 PM  

Pocket Ninja: Shostie: Wouldn't the Green Berets be a closer match to the SEALs?

Whatever, man. The green berets don't even know what color their berets are anymore.

Anyway, this is all a mute point. One highly trained soldier in the marine core is worth a dozen green berets.


I was about to go all garmmar Nazi, but saw it was Pocket Ninja.
 
2013-02-22 04:16:33 PM  

Nexzus: Forgive my ignorance... shirt? From the context, I gather it's a derogatory term for some pencil pushing Academy grad, possibly the son of someone influential?


Sorry,it means First Sergeant. Usually the gopher for the Commander, the guy who tells you your uniform is out of compliance, you need to get a haircut, or asks for money for MWR stuff.
 
2013-02-22 04:17:22 PM  

MadMonk: You know who's been in near constant battle since 1831?  Who are constantly given suicide missions and never complain?  They are also often deserted and have to find their way back but that's just part of the job.  These guys.

[i406.photobucket.com image 460x288]

[i406.photobucket.com image 610x448]


You could totally put snacks under those hats.
 
2013-02-22 04:17:25 PM  

brantgoose: To the best of my knowledge, no Navy has ever managed to attack a target half way into a Continent. I could be wrong. Perhaps the Swiss Navy has done it.

Therefore, I will say that Army is definitely better than Navy, seeing as I am at an altitude of about 246 feet and a distance from the sea of 800 miles or so, even with the Saint Lawrence being naviagable as far as Quebec City in the Winter.

The Navy could get to me, but they'd probably have to walk at some point. Getting a naval ship big enough to fire a missile or rocket at me through the rivers and locks that separate me from the sea would be iffy. I'm not saying the Navy couldn't get the job done, because I am sure they could, but the army has a serious edge, having more personnel and resources such as armoured cars and tanks within a short distance of me.

There are many countries with no navies, but even the smallest countries have had something approximating to an army (Liechtenstein and the Vatican City have  tiny military forces, Andorra gave up their tiny army because they are adequately protected by Spain and France, which jointly govern  Andorra.

An army is your first line of domestic and foreign defence as it can deal with natural disasters, peace time emergencies, and armed insurrection or invasion.

A navy becomes important only if you have a coast or some internal coastline.

An air force is good, but eventually you have to land on water or ground unless you have those flying fortress thingies they have in SF movies. Air forces don't deal well with "hearts and minds" because it is hard to get a B-52 bomber into narrow streets where the hearts and minds that most need to be courted live.

In short, go army, preferably far away until you are needed.


Yeah, because bin Laden was killed by the Navy Seals on the coast.
 
2013-02-22 04:17:30 PM  

Chelsea Clinton Is Carrot Top's Lost Twin: maddogdelta// CSB, I once scared the shiat out of a bunch of SEALS when I told them that if they were in a shipping lane when a big freighter came through, their Itty Bitty Ship would be crushed and they would be shark food. The freighters aren't looking out for little people with glow sticks...And you can't karate chop a freighter... Worst. CSB. Ever /yah, I'm sure those SEALs were sooooo scared.//They probably were so scared they quit and joined the Marine Core.


Well, they did turn white, then they spent quite a bit more time planning their trip through long island sound, instead of trusting freighter on autopilot to get out of their way.
 
2013-02-22 04:19:03 PM  
Blah blah I'm a ninja blah blah marines are the best blah blah rangers lead the way etc etc etc
I've found that people who talk the most shiat never did a dang thing

when we're all in a bar we scrap with each other over who's tougher
it's part of being a young buck
when some civvie pukes come in and pick on the coast guard reservist,
we all stomp some arse together
and now that I'm older and out, I really coudn't give a fark if you wore whites/blues/greens/ or were a farking halo-scuba-tank commander
It's nice to tell stories and split the tab.

In california I know a former UDT crossdresser
my marine pal who's now a chick (gotta say a cool chick tho)
and a smattering of former army/airforce gay/lesbian couples
who cares?

Parachutists are gonna end up in a tree eventually if you keep dropping them in a state FULL of trees.
Better than being a dirt dart
glad the're okay
 
2013-02-22 04:19:14 PM  
It's threads like this that remind me why I have had Pocket Ninja labeled as a favorite ever since the 'voting stickers' post many moons ago.   Every time I see the blue highlight pop up in a thread, I know I am going to enjoy reading through.
 
2013-02-22 04:20:53 PM  

Driedsponge: It's threads like this that remind me why I have had Pocket Ninja labeled as a favorite ever since the 'voting stickers' post many moons ago.   Every time I see the blue highlight pop up in a thread, I know I am going to enjoy reading through.


He's a treasure around here.
 
2013-02-22 04:22:11 PM  

alabasterblack: I was about to go all garmmar Nazi, but saw it was Pocket Ninja.


His posts appear in green on my screen to avoid that very temptation.
 
2013-02-22 04:22:43 PM  

spickus: Perhaps you mean one Defense Research and Development Organisation. All the countries named by you have separate branches.


I'll take your response to the bank, my friend. Maybe next time we could have improved our Government. That's my goal.
 
2013-02-22 04:23:08 PM  

casual disregard: spickus: casual disregard: Almost every other nation on the planet has ONE service doing ONE job


Really..... ? That's exactly the opposite of what I saw.

Defence Research and Development Organisation - India
Defence Research and Development Canada - ...Canada
Defence Science and Technology Laboratory - UK
Defence Science and Technology Laboratory - Australia

Naval Research Laboratory - USA
Army Research Laboratory - USA
Air Force Research Laboratory - USA (should be plural - they have a ton of offices spread all over)


Maybe I missed the mark on "almost every." But don't deny the evidence. Certainly don't deny the success stories from our allies. You can keep the Air Force and the Navy. Just put them under one farking roof. Stop spending taxdollars on duplicated projects.

/i get it
//you're all madly in love with chucking zillions at DoD
///thanks for the paycheck
////from writing this post i just now noticed how odd it is murican english does not spell it "sciense"


Did you suffer a head injury? Every country you named has a separate army, navy and air force. Just because the procurement and testing is done at the service level instead of the government level is semantics. All of them need each organization to test and implement their equipment, our military is large enough that it makes sense to do that at the top level. Either way it needs to get done at some level, unless you want the Army buying aircraft carriers.
 
2013-02-22 04:23:57 PM  

lack of warmth: I heard Airforce has a special force now, but come on, they barely train their average soldier how to fight.


Yea....uhhh...the Air Force has some folks called Combat Controllers that would vehemently disagree with you.
 
2013-02-22 04:24:49 PM  
Well I'm no soldier but if I'm not mistaken the Army/Navy equivalents would be Delta Force = Seal Team 6, more or less.
I just came to post Blackburn falling from the Black Hawk, but a pic cannot be found. Instead you get these oxymoronic quotes.

uncurledfist.files.wordpress.com
"When I go home people'll ask me, "Hey Hoot, why do you do it man? What, you some kinda war junkie?" You know what I'll say? I won't say a goddamn word. Why? They won't understand. They won't understand why we do it. They won't understand that it's about the men next to you, and that's it. That's all it is.
...I work better on my own"

- fictional Norm Hooten
 
2013-02-22 04:24:57 PM  
Well, that tears it. Please disregard all previous claims I've made to being a Ranger posting from a Spec-ops FOB in Kandushari..stan..nia. What I meant to say was that I'm on Seal Team 6. Also 2, 4, and 7-12.

/semper fi!
 
2013-02-22 04:25:56 PM  
Look! Subby has a red dot on him ...
 
2013-02-22 04:26:00 PM  
The Army's got the Delta Force and the Delta Force has Chuck Norris.  Bring it on biatches!

www.screeninsults.com
 
2013-02-22 04:26:53 PM  

Proletariat In Charge: But some can be just as useless as the pencil pushing Academy grad.


Some??? Heh... the Shirt we had in Afghanistan sounded exactly like Mr. Mackey from South Park (drugs are bad, mmmmkay?).

One day, while we were sitting around, playing poker in our down time drinking near beers, he casually walked up to us, started chit-chatting, and out of nowhere asked:
"So what you ya'll feel about masturbation, mmkay?"

Now, you've heard about that "fight or flight" thing humans have? Mine was ringing loud as churchbells on Sunday morning. Against my gut, I stayed, because hell, what else was there to do other than play dodge-the-rocket?

"You see, we're not allowed to have sex while in a war-zone, even consensual, but a person has got to relieve themselves of certain human stresses, mmmkay? But being here, we worry about sanitation, mmkay?"

We all laughed him out of the area. It was either that, or get handed a pamphlet on how to rub one out in a warzone without throwing rope all around the damn place.
 
2013-02-22 04:29:37 PM  

VTGremlin: lack of warmth: I heard Airforce has a special force now, but come on, they barely train their average soldier how to fight.

Yea....uhhh...the Air Force has some folks called Combat Controllers that would vehemently whimsically disagree with you.

 
2013-02-22 04:30:38 PM  
One hundred Marines
Will shiat today
And wipe their a$$
With a Green Beret

/obligatory
USMC 1833  YATYAS

Side note:  EVERY branch of the service has some type of "special forces".  Even the Coast Guard has those bat-shiat insane Rescue Swimmers.  They may not carry weapons but they have balls-o-steel to do what they do.
 
2013-02-22 04:30:56 PM  

Shostie: Wouldn't the Green Berets be a closer match to the SEALs?


Technically, whatever Delta Force is calling itself now.  Delta is the top Green Berets.  SEAL Team Six is the top SEALs.

If it was a static-line jump, you really don't have much control.  You just kind of fall out of the plane, and hope the aircrew and Jumpmaster didn't miss the Drop Zone, or the weather boys didn't underestimate the crosswinds.
 
2013-02-22 04:31:33 PM  

RoxtarRyan: MythDragon: RoxtarRyan: don't expect excellent results if you ask me to haul 300lbs of dead weight 50 miles only eating tree bark and drinking urine strained through a sock.

You AF pukes get a sock? Figures.

I once heard a joke about Army from one of my friends who got stuck working the gate at a Ft down south... "Heh.. lock your doors all you want, the Army can steal your socks without taking off your boots!"


We have a saying (probably all the services have it) "There has only been one thief in the Army, Everyone is trying to get their shiat back"

I'll say this, the Army is good at aquiring things. Or as I call it "Government property serving the same function in a different location"

In Iraq, my company was split all over the country and there were only 8 people from my unit on Victory. So we often had to go on midnight acquisition runs. One day I show up on our site to see a HMMWV engine in a shipping crate. I ask our mechanic where it came from. He says "Found it."

On a later site visit our commander comes into our site tent to see a hand carved white wood couch with gold inlaid fibers and asks "where did you guys get this?" I tell him "Sir, you should not ask questions to which you don't want to know the answers to." He said "I see." and left it at that.
 
2013-02-22 04:31:49 PM  

maddogdelta: Charlie Chingas: ///And it's Marine Corps

Old Fark meme... one farker tried to claim that he was a "soldier in the marine core"... and was, ahem, called out on his bullshiat.


He had a name. His name was The Convincing Savant.
 
2013-02-22 04:33:29 PM  

admiral_neckbeard: Only time I came close to beating it was with an emulator with a handy rewind feature. Gawd, that game.


I beat it on the SNES, but I only got to most of the bonus stages with the emulator where I could save right before landing in case I screwed it up. Fark trying to parachute on those Goddamn moving platforms.
 
2013-02-22 04:34:14 PM  

Forced Perspective: Charlie Chingas: Forced Perspective: maddogdelta: Charlie Chingas: ///And it's Marine Corps

Old Fark meme... one farker tried to claim that he was a "soldier in the marine core"... and was, ahem, called out on his bullshiat.

He then blamed the "typo" on the fact that his wife was supposedly typing the post on his behalf.  Good times.  Anybody have a link to that thread?

No shiat? HA! Would love to see that thread myself. I don't normally brag about being in the Corps, but when someone misspells it, even Pocket Ninja, I must say something. To all my brothers out there reading this: OOH RAH!

I found it.  Enjoy:

www.fark.com/comments/3129410/US-Marine-Corps-Commandant-suggests-th at -all-US-Marines-withdraw-from-Iraq-redeploy-to-face-actual-enemies-in- Afghanistan

The comment that started it all is "
I'd go for that. Iraq can be contained by the Army. Let the Core finish up in Afghanistan," by a user who had claimed to be a marine.  Things go downhill from there.


Wow... I'm... wow...
 
2013-02-22 04:34:32 PM  

Cerebral Knievel: A man from Harvard and a man from Yale are in a rest room urinating. Once they are done expressing them selves the man from Harvard goes to the wash basin and starts to was his hands. The man from Yale heads for the exit.

"Excuse me old chap" the man from Harvard remarks, " but at Harvard, they taught us to wash up after relieving ourselves ."

"Indeed!" Replies the Yalie, " At Yale, good sir, they instructed us to not piss on our hands!"


And then the 3rd guy chimes in:
"At [MySchool] they didn't need to teach us not to piss on our hands. That is something most males learn around age 3 or so."
 
2013-02-22 04:36:32 PM  
You see, this is why I went into the submarine fleet.  I watched a lot of WWII footage and there were a lot more rangers in trees than submarines in the sky.

/go for the safe bet
 
2013-02-22 04:36:57 PM  

casual disregard: spickus: casual disregard: Almost every other nation on the planet has ONE service doing ONE job


Really..... ? That's exactly the opposite of what I saw.

Defence Research and Development Organisation - India
Defence Research and Development Canada - ...Canada
Defence Science and Technology Laboratory - UK
Defence Science and Technology Laboratory - Australia

Naval Research Laboratory - USA
Army Research Laboratory - USA
Air Force Research Laboratory - USA (should be plural - they have a ton of offices spread all over)


Maybe I missed the mark on "almost every." But don't deny the evidence. Certainly don't deny the success stories from our allies. You can keep the Air Force and the Navy. Just put them under one farking roof. Stop spending taxdollars on duplicated projects.

/i get it
//you're all madly in love with chucking zillions at DoD
///thanks for the paycheck
////from writing this post i just now noticed how odd it is murican english does not spell it "sciense"


Full Disclosure:  my dad used to work for the AFRL.

I think you underestimate the amount of good inter-service cooperation that goes on when it comes to R&D.  It's not as if each service lives in its own world, and they recognize there's no budget for duplicative research, so they collaborate whenever it makes sense, or when one service has special equipment or expertise that the other's don't.  But they don't do jointness for jointness sake.  I remember my dad telling me about giving a presentation in Washington during a trade/info show, where the AFRL booth was right next to the Navy Labs booth.  Some congressional staffer came up and started going on about how both services were researching gas turbine maintenance, and how they should just consolidate and save money.  One of the uniformed Navy guys said that it wasn't a good idea.  The staffer asked why not, and the Navy guy said "because their gas turbine is meant to start a plane in two minutes, and our gas turbine is meant to power a cruiser for six months.  Different problem, different scale, different needs."

/One of the many reasons why I don't work on the Hill
 
2013-02-22 04:38:09 PM  

RoxtarRyan: Proletariat In Charge: But some can be just as useless as the pencil pushing Academy grad.

Some??? Heh... the Shirt we had in Afghanistan sounded exactly like Mr. Mackey from South Park (drugs are bad, mmmmkay?).

One day, while we were sitting around, playing poker in our down time drinking near beers, he casually walked up to us, started chit-chatting, and out of nowhere asked:
"So what you ya'll feel about masturbation, mmkay?"

Now, you've heard about that "fight or flight" thing humans have? Mine was ringing loud as churchbells on Sunday morning. Against my gut, I stayed, because hell, what else was there to do other than play dodge-the-rocket?

"You see, we're not allowed to have sex while in a war-zone, even consensual, but a person has got to relieve themselves of certain human stresses, mmmkay? But being here, we worry about sanitation, mmkay?"

We all laughed him out of the area. It was either that, or get handed a pamphlet on how to rub one out in a warzone without throwing rope all around the damn place.


That whole story was made better because I read it in Mr. Mackey's voice.  I had a couple good ones.  Certainly, the crappy ones (guy who implemented PT in the desert is tops in my list) make a more lasting impression.
 
2013-02-22 04:39:20 PM  

rohar: You see, this is why I went into the submarine fleet.  I watched a lot of WWII footage and there were a lot more rangers in trees than submarines in the sky.

/go for the safe bet


Until they make bionic crab rangers. Then everyone is in trouble.
 
2013-02-22 04:39:35 PM  

Charlie Chingas: Forced Perspective: Charlie Chingas: Forced Perspective: maddogdelta: Charlie Chingas: ///And it's Marine Corps

Old Fark meme... one farker tried to claim that he was a "soldier in the marine core"... and was, ahem, called out on his bullshiat.

He then blamed the "typo" on the fact that his wife was supposedly typing the post on his behalf.  Good times.  Anybody have a link to that thread?

No shiat? HA! Would love to see that thread myself. I don't normally brag about being in the Corps, but when someone misspells it, even Pocket Ninja, I must say something. To all my brothers out there reading this: OOH RAH!

I found it.  Enjoy:

www.fark.com/comments/3129410/US-Marine-Corps-Commandant-suggests-th at -all-US-Marines-withdraw-from-Iraq-redeploy-to-face-actual-enemies-in- Afghanistan

The comment that started it all is "
I'd go for that. Iraq can be contained by the Army. Let the Core finish up in Afghanistan," by a user who had claimed to be a marine.  Things go downhill from there.

Wow... I'm... wow...


I also talked to some shiat to him, and he said I should cut him a break, as a "fellow soldier."  A Marine.  Calling himself a 'soldier.'
 
2013-02-22 04:40:10 PM  

weiserfireman: UsikFark: Charlie Chingas: Marine Corps

Pretty sure it's core.

Pretty sure you are wrong.   It is pronounced core, put it is spelled Corps


Pocket Ninja is so good, people get secondary bites off of his posts!
 
2013-02-22 04:40:37 PM  
Internet tough guys that never served talking shiat on guys that most likely have all served in combat zones. shiat happens. We don't talk trash when you paper cut yourself at the copy machine or give a customer the wrong mocha latte.. .we might chuckle and thats it. And as for which force is better... well they all rock, all have different missions and its really not a fair comparison. Unless its uniforms. Then the Navy loses every time... with their amazing ocean colored camo...
 
2013-02-22 04:41:14 PM  

Clock Spider Jerusalem: rohar: You see, this is why I went into the submarine fleet.  I watched a lot of WWII footage and there were a lot more rangers in trees than submarines in the sky.

/go for the safe bet

Until they make bionic crab rangers. Then everyone is in trouble.


Isn't a "bionic crab ranger" kinda like a Grotopotomus?
 
2013-02-22 04:42:11 PM  

maddogdelta: Great joke, Subby!

Now for a dose of reality...

Rangers a chosen from soldiers who have completed boot camp.  So, after a few months of boot camp, an 18-19 year old is then sent through 6 weeks (or so) of Ranger school, and is then dubbed a Ranger.

To become a SEAL, you go through boot camp, then through A school, so you know how to fix torpedoes, computers or radars.  Then, if selected, you go through BUDS, and upon completion of that training, you are considered a SEAL.

After being posted to your unit, you go through more training, and get several years worth of experience.  Then, if you are the top guy in your SEAL team, you might be good enough to apply for SEAL team 6.

Question, are NFL players competing in the pro bowl better players than college sophmores?  I would think so, and you are trying to compare the two with a little Navy hates Army bullshiat.

SEAL team 6 members are lousy at flying F-18s, subby. Does that make them "inferior"?

// CSB, I once scared the shiat out of a bunch of SEALS when I told them that if they were in a shipping lane when a big freighter came through, their Itty Bitty Ship would be crushed and they would be shark food.  The freighters aren't looking out for little people with glow sticks...And you can't karate chop a freighter...


Uhm, you are "ranger qualified" if you complete ranger school. You aren't a "ranger" until you get accepted into a ranger battalion. Just cause you made it through school don't mean you're out there doing that shiat.

As for the Marines, after the initial test with the best elements of Force Recon taken to comprise it, marsoc is now volunteer, and according to some buddies who have had the experience of serving in the same AO, not all that capable at SOC shiat.

SEALs have the benefit of over 50 years of training and experience, and a program that is tested and functional, with a lot of experience passed down.

CAG is growing into its own, but even that took a lot of work and T&E before they were up to speed.

However, it's difficult to compare a selective, covert unit like the SEALs with the Army's Rangers which is a battalion-sized specialized combat unit. Different mission profiles and ops. You might compare Rangers to MEUs in some way, since they're more specialized than general infantry (with the proviso that infantry platoons in a MEU are regular infantry that rotate into the slot with the MEU.
 
2013-02-22 04:42:41 PM  
Military fanboyism is a large part of what is wrong with this country.
 
2013-02-22 04:43:41 PM  

The Southern Dandy: The Army's got the Delta Force and the Delta Force has Chuck Norris.  Bring it on biatches!

[www.screeninsults.com image 493x700]


*guffaw*
 
2013-02-22 04:44:39 PM  
Keep in mind, Army. Any Marine is worth 10 of you.

Nice try.
 
2013-02-22 04:44:47 PM  

meanmutton: Fun fact: the special forces unit that flew the SEALs in and out were Night Stalkers, part of the Army.


I thought the night staplers were out of the special aviation squadron of the AF down in Pensacola?
 
2013-02-22 04:45:05 PM  

maddogdelta: Great joke, Subby!

Now for a dose of reality...

Rangers a chosen from soldiers who have completed boot camp.  So, after a few months of boot camp, an 18-19 year old is then sent through 6 weeks (or so) of Ranger school, and is then dubbed a Ranger.

To become a SEAL, you go through boot camp, then through A school, so you know how to fix torpedoes, computers or radars.  Then, if selected, you go through BUDS, and upon completion of that training, you are considered a SEAL.

After being posted to your unit, you go through more training, and get several years worth of experience.  Then, if you are the top guy in your SEAL team, you might be good enough to apply for SEAL team 6.

Question, are NFL players competing in the pro bowl better players than college sophmores?  I would think so, and you are trying to compare the two with a little Navy hates Army bullshiat.

SEAL team 6 members are lousy at flying F-18s, subby. Does that make them "inferior"?

// CSB, I once scared the shiat out of a bunch of SEALS when I told them that if they were in a shipping lane when a big freighter came through, their Itty Bitty Ship would be crushed and they would be shark food.  The freighters aren't looking out for little people with glow sticks...And you can't karate chop a freighter...


some errors in there
 
2013-02-22 04:45:11 PM  

HappyGryphon: Trainees in trees... So with a round chute you can't aim. with all you see spent on the f22 debacle... Why the hell don't our airborne folks get a better chute? At least we know those work.


For the same reason they only give one square of tp to do your business. It's the Army way.
 
2013-02-22 04:45:31 PM  
Must be a lot of noobs around, if we're having to re-explain the core/wife-like typing thing all over again...
 
2013-02-22 04:46:56 PM  

a21ozcoldcup: Internet tough guys that never served talking shiat on guys that most likely have all served in combat zones. shiat happens. We don't talk trash when you paper cut yourself at the copy machine or give a customer the wrong mocha latte.. .we might chuckle and thats it. And as for which force is better... well they all rock, all have different missions and its really not a fair comparison. Unless its uniforms. Then the Navy loses every time... with their amazing ocean colored camo...



Yeah, I haven't quite figured that out either.  On a related note, you know why navy dress blues have that big old 13 button flap rather than a standard fly?
 
2013-02-22 04:46:57 PM  

opiumpoopy: Treygreen13: I see that some people think parachuting is a precise exercise.

Didn't Bear Grylls start one show parachuting into a tree canopy 100 feet up, and demonstrating how to get down...?


He had to drink his own piss as I recall .
 
2013-02-22 04:48:46 PM  
my limited experience, Rangers were arrogant dicks, SF were helpful, friendly even

two different missions, apples to oranges
 
2013-02-22 04:48:49 PM  

casual disregard: Speaking of Army/Navy...

We have an Army Research Laboratory and a Navy Research Laboratory. There's also an Air Force Research Laboratory.

Anybody got a good reason for why? Why isn't there a Defense Research Laboratory? Put them all in the same house and that cuts costs. They would still accomplish the needs of the missions of each service.

/defense civilian
//that's not the only place we could consolidate


I dunno, why do the army, navy, marines, and Air Force all have their own separate special operations forces necessitating a separate command, JSOC, to combine and work out the pissing matches?

Why does the Navy and Marine Corps insist on each having their own aviators and fighter pilots?

Why do we have the army and the marines? Why a navy and a coast guard?

Here's my favorite: why do we have 26 different intelligence gathering agencies?
 
2013-02-22 04:48:53 PM  

rohar: Clock Spider Jerusalem: rohar: You see, this is why I went into the submarine fleet.  I watched a lot of WWII footage and there were a lot more rangers in trees than submarines in the sky.

/go for the safe bet

Until they make bionic crab rangers. Then everyone is in trouble.

Isn't a "bionic crab ranger" kinda like a Grotopotomus?


I dunno about that but it is like taking acid at the aquarium.
 
2013-02-22 04:50:20 PM  

Proletariat In Charge: That whole story was made better because I read it in Mr. Mackey's voice


Swear on my blood, man, he sounded spot-on just like him. IIRC, he was a reservist from Kentucky, or somewhere in the Mid-West..

The guy would leave his weapon everywhere on the damn installation... army chow tents on the other side of KAF, when he visited the worksite, etc... He was one of those "good intentions, poor execution" guys. Might have been why they made him a Shirt!

/i keed
//kinda
 
2013-02-22 04:50:24 PM  

MasterThief: casual disregard: spickus: casual disregard: Almost every other nation on the planet has ONE service doing ONE job


Really..... ? That's exactly the opposite of what I saw.

Defence Research and Development Organisation - India
Defence Research and Development Canada - ...Canada
Defence Science and Technology Laboratory - UK
Defence Science and Technology Laboratory - Australia

Naval Research Laboratory - USA
Army Research Laboratory - USA
Air Force Research Laboratory - USA (should be plural - they have a ton of offices spread all over)


Maybe I missed the mark on "almost every." But don't deny the evidence. Certainly don't deny the success stories from our allies. You can keep the Air Force and the Navy. Just put them under one farking roof. Stop spending taxdollars on duplicated projects.

/i get it
//you're all madly in love with chucking zillions at DoD
///thanks for the paycheck
////from writing this post i just now noticed how odd it is murican english does not spell it "sciense"

Full Disclosure:  my dad used to work for the AFRL.

I think you underestimate the amount of good inter-service cooperation that goes on when it comes to R&D.  It's not as if each service lives in its own world, and they recognize there's no budget for duplicative research, so they collaborate whenever it makes sense, or when one service has special equipment or expertise that the other's don't.  But they don't do jointness for jointness sake.  I remember my dad telling me about giving a presentation in Washington during a trade/info show, where the AFRL booth was right next to the Navy Labs booth.  Some congressional staffer came up and started going on about how both services were researching gas turbine maintenance, and how they should just consolidate and save money.  One of the uniformed Navy guys said that it wasn't a good idea.  The staffer asked why not, and the Navy guy said "because their gas turbine is meant to start a plane in two minutes, and our gas turbine is meant ...


Your father is absolutely right and your story presents the case well. Where our differences are truly different, then we must meet the fork in the road.

It is that area of overlap which must be faced, however. We can combine, on some level, numerous projects targetting the same area. We can also create sub-tasks for each specific need which the overarching project does not encompass.
 
2013-02-22 04:51:55 PM  

IRQ12: Military fanboyism is a large part of what is wrong with this country.


It's like .03% of what's wrong with this country.  Militarization of civilian police forces is a far bigger issue, and that's like 2% of what's wrong right now.  Don't even get me started on our f*cked political process, or our judicial system.  Taxes, corruption, health care, global politics, and public education are all bigger problems.  Hell, I can't think of too much that isn't.

Military fanboyism, my ass.
 
2013-02-22 04:52:12 PM  

Clock Spider Jerusalem: rohar: Clock Spider Jerusalem: rohar: You see, this is why I went into the submarine fleet.  I watched a lot of WWII footage and there were a lot more rangers in trees than submarines in the sky.

/go for the safe bet

Until they make bionic crab rangers. Then everyone is in trouble.

Isn't a "bionic crab ranger" kinda like a Grotopotomus?

I dunno about that but it is like taking acid at the aquarium.


Oh holy shiat.  I've been out of the service for too long.  Apparently the Grotopatamus has a facebook account.  Coffee just came out my nose.

I hate you so much for making me look around the internet.
 
2013-02-22 04:52:44 PM  

ha-ha-guy: /my finest hour as a Marine NCO was climbing around the landing craft to yell at a stupid newbie
//right before we crossed the wash of a DDG and my dumb ass was thrown from the craft
/do I say, not as I do



That's goddamn hilarious. It's one of those stories that reminds me to be a little more humble because we're all only human.
 
2013-02-22 04:54:19 PM  

IRQ12: Military fanboyism is a large part of what is wrong with this country.


We need an additional button to vote with, sometimes Smart or Funny is not the correct choice
 
gja
2013-02-22 04:54:50 PM  

Sgt Otter: Charlie Chingas: Forced Perspective: Charlie Chingas: Forced Perspective: maddogdelta: Charlie Chingas: ///And it's Marine Corps

Old Fark meme... one farker tried to claim that he was a "soldier in the marine core"... and was, ahem, called out on his bullshiat.

He then blamed the "typo" on the fact that his wife was supposedly typing the post on his behalf.  Good times.  Anybody have a link to that thread?

No shiat? HA! Would love to see that thread myself. I don't normally brag about being in the Corps, but when someone misspells it, even Pocket Ninja, I must say something. To all my brothers out there reading this: OOH RAH!

I found it.  Enjoy:

www.fark.com/comments/3129410/US-Marine-Corps-Commandant-suggests-th at -all-US-Marines-withdraw-from-Iraq-redeploy-to-face-actual-enemies-in- Afghanistan

The comment that started it all is "
I'd go for that. Iraq can be contained by the Army. Let the Core finish up in Afghanistan," by a user who had claimed to be a marine.  Things go downhill from there.

Wow... I'm... wow...

I also talked to some shiat to him, and he said I should cut him a break, as a "fellow soldier."  A Marine.  Calling himself a 'soldier.'


Have lots of retired Marines for friends. If I called them soldiers they would call me chute-jockey or worse things that, well that can't be posted here.
 
2013-02-22 04:57:37 PM  
Navy thread with only 2 references to  FLYNAVY? Fail, fark, fail.   http://www.fark.com/comments/2818542/30551523#c30551523

Watch him squirm and then vanish.
 
2013-02-22 05:00:20 PM  
Better a Tool in a Tree than a Dope on a Rope
usarmy.vo.llnwd.net

/I am, of course, neither...


Old Joke: The commander went to the assembled men and laid out the mission: "We need to precisely insert a team of commandos deep behind enemy lines. To avoid German radar we'll have to fly low and fast, no more than 200 feet off the deck. It will be dangerous and some of you may not survive the jump, so we need 20 men. Anyone who wishes to volunteer, take one step forward." A slim handful stepped forward, all Green Berets. The commander was disheartened until a grizzled sergeant whispered to him. "Parachutes will be provided!" he announced, and the rest stepped forward.
 
2013-02-22 05:01:39 PM  

meanmutton: Fun fact: the special forces unit that flew the SEALs in and out were Night Stalkers, part of the Army.


160th SOAR. Fun fact, They were established in response to the clusterfark rescue attempt when Iran took our citizens hostage.
 
2013-02-22 05:03:10 PM  

brantgoose: To the best of my knowledge, no Navy has ever managed to attack a target half way into a Continent. I could be wrong. Perhaps the Swiss Navy has done it.

Therefore, I will say that Army is definitely better than Navy, seeing as I am at an altitude of about 246 feet and a distance from the sea of 800 miles or so, even with the Saint Lawrence being naviagable as far as Quebec City in the Winter.

The Navy could get to me, but they'd probably have to walk at some point. Getting a naval ship big enough to fire a missile or rocket at me through the rivers and locks that separate me from the sea would be iffy. I'm not saying the Navy couldn't get the job done, because I am sure they could, but the army has a serious edge, having more personnel and resources such as armoured cars and tanks within a short distance of me.

There are many countries with no navies, but even the smallest countries have had something approximating to an army (Liechtenstein and the Vatican City have  tiny military forces, Andorra gave up their tiny army because they are adequately protected by Spain and France, which jointly govern  Andorra.

An army is your first line of domestic and foreign defence as it can deal with natural disasters, peace time emergencies, and armed insurrection or invasion.

A navy becomes important only if you have a coast or some internal coastline.

An air force is good, but eventually you have to land on water or ground unless you have those flying fortress thingies they have in SF movies. Air forces don't deal well with "hearts and minds" because it is hard to get a B-52 bomber into narrow streets where the hearts and minds that most need to be courted live.

In short, go army, preferably far away until you are needed.


The USMC's MEUs (part of the Navy ;) ) crossed 400 miles of desert when they did an amphibious landing and invaded Afghanistan. Your precious "land" won't save you.
 
2013-02-22 05:08:35 PM  

Sandwyrm: casual disregard: MasterThief: casual disregard: Speaking of Army/Navy...

We have an Army Research Laboratory and a Navy Research Laboratory. There's also an Air Force Research Laboratory.

Anybody got a good reason for why? Why isn't there a Defense Research Laboratory? Put them all in the same house and that cuts costs. They would still accomplish the needs of the missions of each service.

/defense civilian
//that's not the only place we could consolidate

This is the sort of genius thinking that got us the hot mess they call the Joint Strike Fighter.  Three guesses as to how well that's turned out, first two don't count.

/It also happened with the F-111

No. Not even close. JSF has unconscionable cost overruns and fat contractors sucking on government teat. That's a different story. Almost every other nation on the planet has ONE service doing ONE job and they do just fine. They're all "purple" in that regard. The only thing keeping our multitude of services alive is rivalry and a false belief in invented tradition. The real reason they can't cut costs is because a few admirals and generals refuse to compromise.

It really is inefficient but not for the reasons you see in the news.

One of the biggest national borders in the world, two gigantic coastlines just for the mainland, the largest and most complex economy in the world, gigantic amount of foreign commitments in almost every conceivable biosphere on the planet.

You're right, fark all that flexibility, let's turn our armed forces into a beige for Casual disregard's peace of mind, so he can soothe himself with the knowledge no possible redundancy will lower monetary efficiency.


So, by combining forces and pushing the saved money into beefing up the various specializations under one unified command structure, making sure that they were the best, you'd rather keep separate commands, the use of a giant pile of redundant and often incompatible systems, and the need to make your supply needlessly complex...
 
2013-02-22 05:11:19 PM  

Bender The Offender: meanmutton: Fun fact: the special forces unit that flew the SEALs in and out were Night Stalkers, part of the Army.

160th SOAR. Fun fact, They were established in response to the clusterfark rescue attempt when Iran took our citizens hostage.


...and even after that, they managed to scuttle a bird during the op.  You'd think we'd figure this out by now.
 
2013-02-22 05:12:35 PM  

Charlie Chingas: Forced Perspective: maddogdelta: Charlie Chingas: ///And it's Marine Corps

Old Fark meme... one farker tried to claim that he was a "soldier in the marine core"... and was, ahem, called out on his bullshiat.

He then blamed the "typo" on the fact that his wife was supposedly typing the post on his behalf.  Good times.  Anybody have a link to that thread?

No shiat? HA! Would love to see that thread myself. I don't normally brag about being in the Corps, but when someone misspells it, even Pocket Ninja, I must say something. To all my brothers out there reading this: OOH RAH!


Semper Fi....(fark the other guy!)
 
2013-02-22 05:13:45 PM  

IRQ12: Military fanboyism is a large part of what is wrong with this country.


Guys like you and right wing fanboys are why I think we need a draft.
 
2013-02-22 05:13:58 PM  

Zafler: Navy thread with only 2 references to  FLYNAVY? Fail, fark, fail.   http://www.fark.com/comments/2818542/30551523#c30551523

Watch him squirm and then vanish.


There was another douche who claimed to be an "operator."  His "proof" was the farking default photo for the Polish special operations group GROM, right off of Wikipedia, complete with non-U.S. gear and a small Polish flag.
 
2013-02-22 05:15:56 PM  

www.historyplace.com
Supreme Commander Dwight D. Eisenhower meeting with the paratroopers of the 82nd Airborne, June 5, 1944 (the day before D-Day).
Many would not survive their advance mission to enemy territory.

Link
 
2013-02-22 05:17:05 PM  
I personally know - that is right - I KNOW - SEAL's, Green Berets, and Force Recon Marines that have FAILED Ranger school. Try again Subby.
 
2013-02-22 05:17:27 PM  

Forced Perspective: Forced Perspective: I'd go for that. Iraq can be contained by the Army. Let the Core finish up in Afghanistan," by a user who had claimed to be a marine. Things go downhill from there.

Oh, and he blames the wife in this thread: http://www.fark.com/comments/715637/White-House-security-wants-a-thre e -day-shutdown-of-central-London-so-that-protestors-dont-make-George-Bu sh-look-like-a-fool#c5297187

The entire thing is gold.


Those threads were an excellent way to finish up a Friday afternoon.  Thank you.
 
2013-02-22 05:19:42 PM  

Molavian: IRQ12: Military fanboyism is a large part of what is wrong with this country.

It's like .03% of what's wrong with this country.  Militarization of civilian police forces is a far bigger issue, and that's like 2% of what's wrong right now.  Don't even get me started on our f*cked political process, or our judicial system.  Taxes, corruption, health care, global politics, and public education are all bigger problems.  Hell, I can't think of too much that isn't.

Military fanboyism, my ass.


I'll politely disagree.  That fanboyism is supportive (by proxy) of preemptive and senseless wars and the siphon the military industrial complex has permanently attached to the federal budget to the tune of 24% (and that's the budgeted $).  If you look at a pie chart it literally is a "large part", how much do those sweet trillion dollars a year influence the politics in this country?  What would be the impact to the public education system if 1/2 of that was diverted to schools?  What would happen to taxes without it?  Where do you think the militarization of civilian police began and why does the public accept it?

"Hell, I can't think of too much that isn't. "

Indeed I can't think of too much that wouldn't be affected by a national change in attitude that says an obscenely massive standing army and arsenal is unnecessary and gross instead of something to beat our chests about.
 
2013-02-22 05:20:52 PM  

Realist29: I personally know - that is right - I KNOW - SEAL's, Green Berets, and Force Recon Marines that have FAILED Ranger school. Try again Subby.


No you don't
 
2013-02-22 05:21:38 PM  
Army lieutenant: "OK, men...go take that hill!
Marine lieutenant: "C'mon men, lets take that hill!"
USAF E-4: "OK, lieutenant. You go. We'll be here when you get back"
 
2013-02-22 05:22:23 PM  
Never understood military dick comparisons. All I know is that since I left the Air Force, that action alone made the AF infinitely better.
 
2013-02-22 05:23:56 PM  

UsikFark: Charlie Chingas: Marine Corps

Pretty sure it's core.


If your name is Charles Dorner, it would be Marine corpse.
 
2013-02-22 05:24:43 PM  

Cerebral Knievel: Rapmaster2000: Hmm, yes, my colleagues and I do the same but we argue for Harvard vs. Yale.  The nerve of those Yalies!

A man from Harvard and a man from Yale are in a rest room urinating. Once they are done expressing them selves the man from Harvard goes to the wash basin and starts to was his hands. The man from Yale heads for the exit.

"Excuse me old chap" the man from Harvard remarks, " but at Harvard, they taught us to wash up after relieving ourselves ."

"Indeed!" Replies the Yalie, " At Yale, good sir, they instructed us to not piss on our hands!"


Sir, you have the boorish manners of a Yalie.  I say good day to you, sir.  I say good day!
 
2013-02-22 05:28:05 PM  
The amount of misinformation in this thread about SOF is mind boggling.
 
2013-02-22 05:28:11 PM  

VibroCount: Never understood military dick comparisons. All I know is that since I left the Air Force, that action alone made the AF infinitely better.


We (the different services) rib each other, sure. Part of the fun, man. You can't take it too seriously though, and if you do, more than likely there are people who work with you who would rather not. That goes for the people who receive the ribbing, and the guy who actually believes the shiat he says. An asshole is an asshole, regardless of rank, duty station or service branch.
 
2013-02-22 05:29:57 PM  

Realist29: I personally know - that is right - I KNOW - SEAL's, Green Berets, and Force Recon Marines that have FAILED Ranger school. Try again Subby.


Your mother was the barracks rat, huh?
 
2013-02-22 05:30:12 PM  

Sgt Otter: There was another douche who claimed to be an "operator." His "proof" was the farking default photo for the Polish special operations group GROM, right off of Wikipedia, complete with non-U.S. gear and a small Polish flag.


There was another person claiming direct govt conspiracy on 9/11, because the aircraft that hit the WTC looked "just like" a USAF C-141. They knew this because they had jumped out of one many times in training at Ft. Bragg.
 
2013-02-22 05:32:27 PM  

RoxtarRyan: VibroCount: Never understood military dick comparisons. All I know is that since I left the Air Force, that action alone made the AF infinitely better.

We (the different services) rib each other, sure. Part of the fun, man. You can't take it too seriously though, and if you do, more than likely there are people who work with you who would rather not. That goes for the people who receive the ribbing, and the guy who actually believes the shiat he says. An asshole is an asshole, regardless of rank, duty station or service branch.


You don't say much my friend, but when you do it's to the point, and I salute you for it.
 
2013-02-22 05:33:07 PM  

gja: Sgt Otter: Charlie Chingas: Forced Perspective: Charlie Chingas: Forced Perspective: maddogdelta: Charlie Chingas: ///And it's Marine Corps

Old Fark meme... one farker tried to claim that he was a "soldier in the marine core"... and was, ahem, called out on his bullshiat.

He then blamed the "typo" on the fact that his wife was supposedly typing the post on his behalf.  Good times.  Anybody have a link to that thread?

No shiat? HA! Would love to see that thread myself. I don't normally brag about being in the Corps, but when someone misspells it, even Pocket Ninja, I must say something. To all my brothers out there reading this: OOH RAH!

I found it.  Enjoy:

www.fark.com/comments/3129410/US-Marine-Corps-Commandant-suggests-th at -all-US-Marines-withdraw-from-Iraq-redeploy-to-face-actual-enemies-in- Afghanistan

The comment that started it all is "
I'd go for that. Iraq can be contained by the Army. Let the Core finish up in Afghanistan," by a user who had claimed to be a marine.  Things go downhill from there.

Wow... I'm... wow...

I also talked to some shiat to him, and he said I should cut him a break, as a "fellow soldier."  A Marine.  Calling himself a 'soldier.'

Have lots of retired Marines for friends. If I called them soldiers they would call me chute-jockey or worse things that, well that can't be posted here.


Always bothers me when they talk about the soldiers and sailors. Sailors. Pfft. Any squids in here? What's your theme song? Ankles away???
 
2013-02-22 05:34:30 PM  

Sgt Otter: Charlie Chingas: Forced Perspective: Charlie Chingas: Forced Perspective: maddogdelta: Charlie Chingas: ///And it's Marine Corps

Old Fark meme... one farker tried to claim that he was a "soldier in the marine core"... and was, ahem, called out on his bullshiat.

He then blamed the "typo" on the fact that his wife was supposedly typing the post on his behalf.  Good times.  Anybody have a link to that thread?

No shiat? HA! Would love to see that thread myself. I don't normally brag about being in the Corps, but when someone misspells it, even Pocket Ninja, I must say something. To all my brothers out there reading this: OOH RAH!

I found it.  Enjoy:

www.fark.com/comments/3129410/US-Marine-Corps-Commandant-suggests-th at -all-US-Marines-withdraw-from-Iraq-redeploy-to-face-actual-enemies-in- Afghanistan

The comment that started it all is "
I'd go for that. Iraq can be contained by the Army. Let the Core finish up in Afghanistan," by a user who had claimed to be a marine.  Things go downhill from there.

Wow... I'm... wow...

I also talked to some shiat to him, and he said I should cut him a break, as a "fellow soldier."  A Marine.  Calling himself a 'soldier.'


That thread was all kinds of special. World's greatest internet soldier!
 
2013-02-22 05:35:40 PM  

RoxtarRyan: We (the different services) rib each other, sure. Part of the fun, man. You can't take it too seriously though, and if you do, more than likely there are people who work with you who would rather not. That goes for the people who receive the ribbing, and the guy who actually believes the shiat he says. An asshole is an asshole, regardless of rank, duty station or service branch.


QFT
 
2013-02-22 05:38:23 PM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: weiserfireman: UsikFark: Charlie Chingas: Marine Corps

Pretty sure it's core.

Pretty sure you are wrong.   It is pronounced core, put it is spelled Corps

Pocket Ninja is so good, people get secondary bites off of his posts!


Thought I heard that fishing rod sound after I hit "Add Comment"...
 
2013-02-22 05:38:56 PM  
4.bp.blogspot.com
"My father crossed him once. To this day he wears orthopedic shirts."
 
2013-02-22 05:40:01 PM  
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-02-22 05:41:57 PM  

jim32rr: RoxtarRyan: VibroCount: Never understood military dick comparisons. All I know is that since I left the Air Force, that action alone made the AF infinitely better.

We (the different services) rib each other, sure. Part of the fun, man. You can't take it too seriously though, and if you do, more than likely there are people who work with you who would rather not. That goes for the people who receive the ribbing, and the guy who actually believes the shiat he says. An asshole is an asshole, regardless of rank, duty station or service branch.

You don't say much my friend, but when you do it's to the point, and I salute you for it.


Well, in the Marine Corps we didn't rib each other like you guys did in the Chair Force. Ribbed for your pleasure, right?
 
2013-02-22 05:44:47 PM  
Next time you get into one of those who's better Army Navy debates, don't.
 
2013-02-22 05:49:53 PM  
lack of warmth: I heard Airforce has a special force now, but come on, they barely train their average soldier how to fight.  I had a coworker leave for the Airforce couple of years ago, saying he was going to be a ground troop.  I gave him the yeah right look, since the guy weighed a buck twenty.  He relented and confessed that he'll be involved with frontline communications, from a safe position.  I snickered and walked away.  He was one of those 'buy the real military gear to play paintball or airsoft' guys.

Tommyknocker2121: Air Force Cross citation for Senior Airman Jason Dean Cunningham, AFSOC:

Awarded  posthumously for actions during the Global War on Terror ...



USAF Pararescue - Cunningham's training story.: "Cunningham, a former Navy petty officer, even considered a hitch with the SEALs, going so far as passing the grueling frogman fitness test, but had a change of heart after his tryout.

"I didn't want to kill people. I want to save them," said Cunningham, now an airman first class.

Unlike other special operators, who search and destroy, PJs "search and save." Think of them as SEALs with stethoscopes. They're extreme emergency medical technicians, a kind of cross between Schweitzer and Schwarzenegger. In a pinch, a PJ is a pilot's best friend, and the bad guy's worst enemy, just as accurate with a 9mm pistol as he is with a syringe. One minute, you might find these Rambos of resuscitation subduing an enemy patrol and the next, jump-starting a heart with a pair of defibrillator paddles."
 
2013-02-22 05:52:34 PM  
 
2013-02-22 05:53:15 PM  
The armys version of the SEALs would be the green berets, and their version of SEAL 6 is Delta Force.

So... uh... yeah.  Stupid headline is stupid.
 
2013-02-22 05:57:56 PM  

Alonjar: The armys version of the SEALs would be the green berets, and their version of SEAL 6 is Delta Force.

So... uh... yeah.  Stupid headline is stupid.


Oh, and all the SF units are run by USSOCOM anyhow, and include regular joint training and operations.  There isn't a significant difference between them when you get down to it, other than organizational purposes.
 
2013-02-22 06:02:24 PM  

Proletariat In Charge: That whole story was made better because I read it in Mr. Mackey's voice.  I had a couple good ones.  Certainly, the crappy ones (guy who implemented PT in the desert is tops in my list) make a more lasting impression.


Both of my grandfathers were in the military, and while neither one talked much about their experiences (grandpa on my dad's side was a belly gunner on a bomber in WW2, grandpa on mom's side was a jet engine mechanic, AFAIK, in Korea), my mom's grandpa has one story that makes me laugh every time:

It had been raining for a week and every time my grandpa's team had to work on incoming planes, they had to do it outside.  So every time they went out, the officer* in charge went and sat himself in the cockpit, while everyone else had to be outside freezing and soaked.  Grandpa got sick of watching him up there so one day, he went into the cockpit before the officer was around and took the streamer off the the pin that had to be removed to activate the ejection seat.  Once the officer got in later, my grandpa climbed up next to him said, "See ya, Charlie", pretended to pull the safety pin, then hit the ejection handle.
Apparently, the black-skinned officer turned white as a sheet, and from that day on never got in another cockpit.

*Might have been a Sergeant, can't remember the guy's rank, but he was in charge of a group of mechanics.
 
2013-02-22 06:03:42 PM  

maddogdelta: Great joke, Subby!

Now for a dose of reality...

Rangers a chosen from soldiers who have completed boot camp.  So, after a few months of boot camp, an 18-19 year old is then sent through 6 weeks (or so) of Ranger school, and is then dubbed a Ranger.

To become a SEAL, you go through boot camp, then through A school, so you know how to fix torpedoes, computers or radars.  Then, if selected, you go through BUDS, and upon completion of that training, you are considered a SEAL.

After being posted to your unit, you go through more training, and get several years worth of experience.  Then, if you are the top guy in your SEAL team, you might be good enough to apply for SEAL team 6.

Question, are NFL players competing in the pro bowl better players than college sophmores?  I would think so, and you are trying to compare the two with a little Navy hates Army bullshiat.

SEAL team 6 members are lousy at flying F-18s, subby. Does that make them "inferior"?

// CSB, I once scared the shiat out of a bunch of SEALS when I told them that if they were in a shipping lane when a big freighter came through, their Itty Bitty Ship would be crushed and they would be shark food.  The freighters aren't looking out for little people with glow sticks...And you can't karate chop a freighter...


RASP is quals for the battallion.

Ranger school is a leadership course any army soldier can take.

Scrolled Rangers are recruited, tabbed Rangers volunteer.
 
2013-02-22 06:09:46 PM  
I hope Pocket Ninja practices catch and release
that farker has extended well past the limit with one cast on this one

no way there's a creel big enough to carry all those bulletin board bass
 
2013-02-22 06:13:24 PM  

Arkanaut: Shostie: Wouldn't the Green Berets be a closer match to the SEALs?

Not really -- as I understand, SEALs and Rangers are both geared towards quick-strike raids, whereas the Special Forces tend to do more long-term "adviser" -type stuff -- working with local guerrilla groups to fight against a common foe.

/ex-boss was a Green Beret.


Green berets break down into 12 person operational detachments. They go behind enemy lines and train indiginous peoples in order to wage war. 1 man readys 100 so a 12 man team supports and trains 1200 warriors. Green Berets also have to know the language and the culture in order to interact with the indigs and win their hearts and minds.

Rangers from the 75th are the worlds greatest light infantry. When shiat gets hot and the Seals or Delta or anyone else get in trouble elements of the 75th are usually the quick response force that gets sent in.
 
2013-02-22 06:32:10 PM  

rohar: Bender The Offender: meanmutton: Fun fact: the special forces unit that flew the SEALs in and out were Night Stalkers, part of the Army.

160th SOAR. Fun fact, They were established in response to the clusterfark rescue attempt when Iran took our citizens hostage.

...and even after that, they managed to scuttle a bird during the op.  You'd think we'd figure this out by now.


I think they know that flying low-level, blacked-out helicopters over rough terrain at night in hostile territory is unsafe.
 
2013-02-22 06:44:10 PM  

slimfast: Supreme Commander Dwight D. Eisenhower meeting with the paratroopers of the 82nd Airborne, June 5, 1944 (the day before D-Day).
Many would not survive their advance mission to enemy territory.
Link


Screaming eagle patch is 101st airborne, not 82nd
 
2013-02-22 06:46:32 PM  

NousDefions: The amount of misinformation in this thread about SOF is mind boggling.


Put up or shut up.

/screwbie
 
2013-02-22 06:46:58 PM  

Gyrfalcon: rohar: Bender The Offender: meanmutton: Fun fact: the special forces unit that flew the SEALs in and out were Night Stalkers, part of the Army.

160th SOAR. Fun fact, They were established in response to the clusterfark rescue attempt when Iran took our citizens hostage.

...and even after that, they managed to scuttle a bird during the op.  You'd think we'd figure this out by now.

I think they know that flying low-level, blacked-out helicopters over rough terrain at night in hostile territory is unsafe.


And they still got the mission done, so it seems like they've already figured out a few things.
 
2013-02-22 06:47:06 PM  
Pocket Ninja is going to need a bigger boat.
 
2013-02-22 06:57:43 PM  

rohar: a21ozcoldcup: Internet tough guys that never served talking shiat on guys that most likely have all served in combat zones. shiat happens. We don't talk trash when you paper cut yourself at the copy machine or give a customer the wrong mocha latte.. .we might chuckle and thats it. And as for which force is better... well they all rock, all have different missions and its really not a fair comparison. Unless its uniforms. Then the Navy loses every time... with their amazing ocean colored camo...


Yeah, I haven't quite figured that out either.  On a related note, you know why navy dress blues have that big old 13 button flap rather than a standard fly?


Ha.. well I know in the past with Army uniforms they chose buttons over zippers because it is quieter. Not sure why Sailors need quiet zippers....   ...... ......
 
2013-02-22 06:59:06 PM  
How do you know the person you're talking to is an ex-marine? Give em a second, they'll tell you.
 
2013-02-22 07:08:21 PM  
He was just a rookie trooper and he surely shook with fright,
He checked off his equipment and made sure his pack was tight;
He had to sit and listen to those awful engines roar,
"You ain't gonna jump no more!"
 
2013-02-22 07:24:26 PM  
I'm curious, has Pocket Ninja set the record for the most bites in one thread?
 
2013-02-22 07:29:39 PM  

a21ozcoldcup: rohar: a21ozcoldcup: Internet tough guys that never served talking shiat on guys that most likely have all served in combat zones. shiat happens. We don't talk trash when you paper cut yourself at the copy machine or give a customer the wrong mocha latte.. .we might chuckle and thats it. And as for which force is better... well they all rock, all have different missions and its really not a fair comparison. Unless its uniforms. Then the Navy loses every time... with their amazing ocean colored camo...


Yeah, I haven't quite figured that out either.  On a related note, you know why navy dress blues have that big old 13 button flap rather than a standard fly?

Ha.. well I know in the past with Army uniforms they chose buttons over zippers because it is quieter. Not sure why Sailors need quiet zippers....   ...... ......


It's not the buttons that are important, it's the big flap.  Works as a bib for soldiers.
 
2013-02-22 07:33:12 PM  

Charlie Chingas: Once a Marine, always a Marine


only ex-marines say that
 
2013-02-22 07:53:36 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Cerebral Knievel: Rapmaster2000: Hmm, yes, my colleagues and I do the same but we argue for Harvard vs. Yale.  The nerve of those Yalies!

A man from Harvard and a man from Yale are in a rest room urinating. Once they are done expressing them selves the man from Harvard goes to the wash basin and starts to was his hands. The man from Yale heads for the exit.

"Excuse me old chap" the man from Harvard remarks, " but at Harvard, they taught us to wash up after relieving ourselves ."

"Indeed!" Replies the Yalie, " At Yale, good sir, they instructed us to not piss on our hands!"

Sir, you have the boorish manners of a Yalie.  I say good day to you, sir.  I say good day!


you.....you don"t know what the call Harvard people short hand do you?

it's all good brah... neither do I. I'm inclined to believe you made up "yalie"
 
2013-02-22 08:06:01 PM  

casual disregard: Speaking of Army/Navy...

We have an Army Research Laboratory and a Navy Research Laboratory. There's also an Air Force Research Laboratory.

Anybody got a good reason for why? Why isn't there a Defense Research Laboratory? Put them all in the same house and that cuts costs. They would still accomplish the needs of the missions of each service.

/defense civilian
//that's not the only place we could consolidate


FAR better question - why do we have 5 Air Forces? The Army has their own fleet of aviation assets, the Navy has their own planes, the Marines, the Coast Guard, as well as the ACTUAL Air Force? Why? Okay, I'll grant you two - maybe even three. One to fly off land, one to fly off boats. And one more for the Coast Guard to prevent from violating Posse Comitatus. But seriously, why in the hell do the Marines and the Army need their own air fleet?
 
2013-02-22 08:07:26 PM  
A British officer asked for volunteers from his ranks of Ghurkas to drop behind enemy lines at night and create havoc. Only half the company stepped forward.

The officer acknowledged that jumping from a plane at night presented certain dangers, but was shocked that the legendary Ghurka troops didn't rush to volunteer. Another few stepped forward.

The officer retired and questioned his batman, asking why they, who were so fearless on the battlefield would balk at parachuting behind enemy lines?

AH! answered his batman. You're going to give us parachutes, that will change things!
 
2013-02-22 08:16:55 PM  

HK-MP5-SD: A British officer asked for volunteers from his ranks of Ghurkas to drop behind enemy lines at night and create havoc. Only half the company stepped forward.

The officer acknowledged that jumping from a plane at night presented certain dangers, but was shocked that the legendary Ghurka troops didn't rush to volunteer. Another few stepped forward.

The officer retired and questioned his batman, asking why they, who were so fearless on the battlefield would balk at parachuting behind enemy lines?

AH! answered his batman. You're going to give us parachutes, that will change things!


HAHAHAHA

my father was an SAS paratrooper in Borneo during the asian conflicts
the Ghurkas scared the shiat out of him (US special forces were a bit of a joke to him)
 
2013-02-22 08:22:48 PM  
Slartibartfaster:
my father was an SAS paratrooper in Borneo during the asian conflicts
the Ghurkas scared the shiat out of him (US special forces were a bit of a joke to him)


The Ghurkas are s pretty badass group of motherfarkers.  The Taliban were scared shiatless of them in Afghanistan.
 
2013-02-22 08:37:46 PM  

Hagenhatesyouall: There are two kinds of static-line parachutists.

Those that have LANDED in the trees, and those that are GOING to land in the trees.

Whether it's due to the Air Force. the winds, the Jumpmaster, or the DZSO, your destiny is sealed the moment you don that chute, and it's not a question of IF, but WHEN.

I've had to call the fire department and get them to use a ladder truck to SAFELY reach and lower a muldoon out there.

The trees on Rogers DZ ain't no joke.

Better than landing on tarmac though...usually.

Everything you said is true, but please, factual information from people who have actually done this have no place here on FARK, they tend to get in the way of the anal self loving that most non military posters here love to indulge in. i.e. comment on something they have no clue about.

 
2013-02-22 08:43:14 PM  
PocketNinja

Really great job.
 
2013-02-22 09:02:35 PM  
slimfast:
www.historyplace.com
Supreme Commander Dwight D. Eisenhower meeting with the paratroopers of the 82nd 101st Airborne (Screaming Eagles), June 5, 1944 (the day before D-Day).
Many would not survive their advance mission to enemy territory.
Link


FTFY
 
2013-02-22 09:26:35 PM  

Joelogon: Anyone can have a bad day. See Royal Marines


Dear England,
Sie können nicht lesen
you're welcome,
America
 
2013-02-22 10:18:51 PM  

Spasticus Autisticus: slimfast:
[www.historyplace.com image 402x269]
Supreme Commander Dwight D. Eisenhower meeting with the paratroopers of the 82nd 101st Airborne (Screaming Eagles), June 5, 1944 (the day before D-Day).
Many would not survive their advance mission to enemy territory.
Link

FTFY


I lost two cousins on the beaches of Normandy, one of which saved the lives of two fellow soldiers and got no awards.  Such is the life and death of a lot of soldiers.

I appreciate the work and risk soldiers take for the freedom I enjoy.

I don't appreciate soldiers who like to act like bullies because 'we are tough soldiers', love us or shut up.  I have had more than a few who thought staring me in the eye and act menacing would frighten me.  If you aren't killing me, you're only wasting my time.  I wonder if some soldiers forget what is like to be among people where we don't have to like you.  We already know you don't like us.

I snickered at my friend only because I knew he can't kill anyone, I have met killers and I know he can't do it.  It was funny how he made it sound like he was going to be some bad fighter, even while knowing his job wasn't going near the enemy.

Being raised by a soldier who has killed will teach you one thing, if you don't want to be like that, don't join.  Soldiers can be so distancing that you can sit right next to a dad or uncle and feel like the room is empty.  Get a sense humor and learn to laugh at yourself again, laughing at everyone around you is really getting old.

/Fear not them who are able to kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul; but rather fear him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
 
2013-02-22 10:44:23 PM  

slimfast: [www.historyplace.com image 402x269]
Supreme Commander Dwight D. Eisenhower meeting with the paratroopers of the 82nd Airborne, June 5, 1944 (the day before D-Day).
Many would not survive their advance mission to enemy territory.
Link


Someone else probably pointed this out already but the screaming chicken on that guys shoulder would be the 101 not 82nd.
 
2013-02-22 11:02:27 PM  
Subs is a farking idiot, like many of the people here. Those chutes have very, very minimal control. You go where the wind goes.
 
2013-02-22 11:35:59 PM  

weiserfireman: UsikFark: Charlie Chingas: Marine Corps

Pretty sure it's core.

Pretty sure you are wrong.   It is pronounced core, put it is spelled Corps


I



Pretty sure I figured out who then newb who doesn't read the thread is.

/it's CORE
//and we are SOLDIERS
///and I am detecting some wife like typing
 
2013-02-22 11:36:29 PM  
Whatever. I laughed. Had a buddy in the 75th who was medically discharged because he and half his f*cking stick broke their legs on a jump in Germany. "Hey! There's a clear-cut zone with nothing but tree stumps! Let's drop them there!" said the intrepid pilot or jumpmaster or whomever.

He's a lunatic anyway, but a great guy to party with.

75th aren't SEALs, but you sleep safe at night knowing they are on 18 hour standby to go break sh*t or rescue some hot chicas from a Grenadian medical school.
 
2013-02-22 11:38:31 PM  
It's not news, It's CNN.

I can't remember a jump where we didn't have at least one guy in the trees.  Well, except for Hollywood Saturday fun-jumps where all the REMFs showed up to keep their jump pay.

Call me when they have a CNN video of a guy bouncing off the underside of a C-130 praying to god his reserve opens when they cut him away.
 
2013-02-22 11:43:53 PM  
img.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-22 11:57:29 PM  

Ghryswald: Call me when they have a CNN video of a guy bouncing off the underside of a C-130 praying to god his reserve opens when they cut him away.


They use the HUPRA nowadays when that happens (YouTube video 2:26 minutes).
 
2013-02-23 12:50:27 AM  
A long time ago I had a T-10b that failed to deploy properly and I had to deploy a reserve and ended up in a tree. Three broken ribs, a dislocated shoulder and a gouge from my ass to the middle of my back later I got rescued. As a 20 year old I thought it was cool but now 25 years later I realize I was an idiot.

 A 1/75

/What the fark was I thinking?
 
2013-02-23 01:33:26 AM  

NumberFiveIsAlive: lack of warmth: Article doesn't say if the soldiers were using the old airborne style chute or the skydiver wing chute ( I am not going to pretend I know the proper names), for the later would be embarrassing.  The former doesn't give hardly any control.

The question really isn't Army verses Navy when talking special forces, since the Army is used as a benchmark for how the other branches train their special forces.  The real question would be Marine verses Seal.  I heard Airforce has a special force now, but come on, they barely train their average soldier how to fight.  I had a coworker leave for the Airforce couple of years ago, saying he was going to be a ground troop.  I gave him the yeah right look, since the guy weighed a buck twenty.  He relented and confessed that he'll be involved with frontline communications, from a safe position.  I snickered and walked away.  He was one of those 'buy the real military gear to play paintball or airsoft' guys.

You "heard" the USAF has special forces now?  Well my friend you'd be wrong.  Green Berets are the only "Special Forces", everyone else is an operator.

/USN DEVGRU is catching crap for talking to the media and removing the secrecy from their image
//USAF Specops are smart enough not to do that.  That's why you don't know about them.
///Even SEALS have to call 911


"Green Berets are the only "Special Forces", everyone else is an operator. " - I'm sure the folks down at
Air Force Special Operations Command would be surprised to learn that. Maybe you should go set them straight.
 
2013-02-23 02:03:40 AM  

vudukungfu: The Southern Dandy: The Army's got the Delta Force and the Delta Force has Chuck Norris.  Bring it on biatches!

[www.screeninsults.com image 493x700]

*guffaw*


Chuck Norris heard that!

www.whoateallthepies.tv
 
2013-02-23 02:45:16 AM  

weiserfireman: UsikFark: Charlie Chingas: Marine Corps

Pretty sure it's core.

Pretty sure you are wrong.   It is pronounced core, put it is spelled Corps



Ummm... It's pronounced "corpse".  Problem solved.
 
2013-02-23 03:16:42 AM  

Realist29: I personally know - that is right - I KNOW - SEAL's, Green Berets, and Force Recon Marines that have FAILED Ranger school. Try again Subby.


I read somewhere about that, with an explanation as to why.  Ranger school requires a large amount of teamwork based tasks.  Whereas the training pipelines for many other special operations are designed around building an individual capable or operating a part of a team.
 
2013-02-23 03:19:56 AM  

vudukungfu: RoxtarRyan: PJ's

Do no fark with PJs.
You may buy them a drink,
But don't talk to them.

They will jump out of a chopper, no chute, behind enemy lines, unarmed, to save your front line overrun ass. If they need a weapon they will take it from the enemy and use it and discard it. They are like Gurkha with out knives, except they carry knives. Medical knives.

And they make the green beret look like the clerk typists that they are.


Never have I heard of PJs jumping unarmed...
 
2013-02-23 03:37:12 AM  
at least they made it into the trees instead of into the ground like a farking lawn dart.  aren't most of SEAL team 6 dead now?
 
2013-02-23 04:42:31 AM  

Realist29: I personally know - that is right - I KNOW - SEAL's, Green Berets, and Force Recon Marines that have FAILED Ranger school. Try again Subby.


No, you don't. I'll play the odds on this one.
 
2013-02-23 08:09:07 AM  

The Southern Dandy: The Army's got the Delta Force and the Delta Force has Chuck Norris.  Bring it on biatches!

[www.screeninsults.com image 493x700]


Chuck Norris threw a grenade and killed 50 people, then it exploded.
 
2013-02-23 08:36:11 AM  

UnspokenVoice: Realist29: I personally know - that is right - I KNOW - SEAL's, Green Berets, and Force Recon Marines that have FAILED Ranger school. Try again Subby.

No, you don't. I'll play the odds on this one.


I'll double-down on that one with you UnspokenVoice.  I know there are members of all those groups who cycled out of Ranger School; injury, illness, give-a-shiat got busted.  I doubt Realist29 knows any of those.  He knows some pogue who says he was a SEAL, Recon, or Team member and can describe exactly what they saw on Discovery Channel.

Probably knows a few "snipers" too.
 
2013-02-23 08:39:10 AM  

stonelotus: at least they made it into the trees instead of into the ground like a farking lawn dart.

Hey, I resemble that remark.

/streamer
/lawn dart
/La Paz DZ, Honduras 1986
/CareerEnder

 
2013-02-23 08:48:43 AM  

JungleBoogie: Ghryswald: Call me when they have a CNN video of a guy bouncing off the underside of a C-130 praying to god his reserve opens when they cut him away.

They use the HUPRA nowadays when that happens (YouTube video 2:26 minutes).


Nice toy.  Thanks for posting it for me.
 
gja
2013-02-23 10:37:05 AM  

Charlie Chingas: What's your theme song? Ankles away???


That's for the Pistorious thread........

/ankles, he no haz
 
2013-02-23 12:57:59 PM  

ianthetexan: UsikFark:
Look kid, I don't know what your problem is, but you disrespect the Core.

Never disrespect the Corps!

[images2.wikia.nocookie.net image 850x637]

...and I'm out.


Nice!
 
2013-02-23 02:28:59 PM  

a21ozcoldcup: rohar: a21ozcoldcup: Internet tough guys that never served talking shiat on guys that most likely have all served in combat zones. shiat happens. We don't talk trash when you paper cut yourself at the copy machine or give a customer the wrong mocha latte.. .we might chuckle and thats it. And as for which force is better... well they all rock, all have different missions and its really not a fair comparison. Unless its uniforms. Then the Navy loses every time... with their amazing ocean colored camo...


Yeah, I haven't quite figured that out either.  On a related note, you know why navy dress blues have that big old 13 button flap rather than a standard fly?

Ha.. well I know in the past with Army uniforms they chose buttons over zippers because it is quieter. Not sure why Sailors need quiet zippers....   ...... ......


Salt fog?
 
2013-02-23 02:38:29 PM  
Also guessing: The same reason Marines have swords (cutlasses/sabres?) and high collars.

Tradition.

Tradition goes deep in Navies, and adds to esprit de corps. If quick draw becomes a need (LOL) then it will be added to the uniform.
 
2013-02-23 02:43:49 PM  
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2013-02-23 02:47:04 PM  
i13.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-23 03:10:47 PM  
The US Navy:  a few hundred uber-fit SEALS, and tens to hundreds of thousands of fat guys on boats.
 
2013-02-23 06:21:13 PM  

Ghryswald: UnspokenVoice: Realist29: I personally know - that is right - I KNOW - SEAL's, Green Berets, and Force Recon Marines that have FAILED Ranger school. Try again Subby.

No, you don't. I'll play the odds on this one.

I'll double-down on that one with you UnspokenVoice.  I know there are members of all those groups who cycled out of Ranger School; injury, illness, give-a-shiat got busted.  I doubt Realist29 knows any of those.  He knows some pogue who says he was a SEAL, Recon, or Team member and can describe exactly what they saw on Discovery Channel.

Probably knows a few "snipers" too.


I know I'm uber late to this thread, but an interesting look at the differences between BUD/S, the Q-Course, and Ranger School is provided in Jeff Kraus's "You Want Me To Do What?" It's hard to find, and it's short, but it's a much more personal, humorous, and nitty-gritty look at the various training programs than most other books out there (including Dick Couch's books).

/His conclusion: They're different, and each hard and rewarding in their own way.
 
2013-02-23 07:34:02 PM  
Oh my god.  This whole farking thread is just for scanning to see who fell for PN's bait.

Maybe I'll be the only military guy here to give him a good pat on the back.  Thanks, Mr. Ninja.  :>
 
2013-02-23 07:37:00 PM  
Look.  So many here are bashing the 75th Infantry for a couple of troopers getting hung in the trees on a training jump.
I may have missed a few posts, but I did not see anyone point out the real culprits here.  Those would be the Air Force pilots that flew the mission.
Once a jumper exits the aircraft, he/she has little control over movement over the ground.  It is the Pilots' job to fly upwind of the center of the drop zone so that the jumpers have a fighting chance of hitting a clear area.
I was dropped so close to the woodline once that I had to pull my riser connector almost to my knees to avoid the trees.  This led to a most amusing and rare double cheetah-flip landing.  Fortunately, it was a training jump because I also bent my rifle in the process.
So, all of you that are snickering at these guys, man up.  Grow a set and try that shiat yourself.
 
2013-02-23 08:47:00 PM  

dr_hugh_g_rection: Fortunately, it was a training jump because I also bent my rifle in the process.


But then you could have shot the guy sneaking up on you.

/works for Bugs Bunny
//I keed, I keed
 
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