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(The American Conservative)   Jon Huntsman says marriage equality is a conservative cause, and as a conservative he will shoot up your basement-dwelling farker ass if you come within a mile of his daughters   (theamericanconservative.com) divider line 128
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2013-02-22 01:24:13 PM  
All Americans should be treated equally by the law, whether they marry in a church, another religious institution, or a town hall. This does not mean that any religious group would be forced by the state to recognize relationships that run counter to their conscience. Civil equality is compatible with, and indeed promotes, freedom of conscience.

well that's it for his career then.  the evangelicals within the GOP will never accept him as any sort of serious presidential candidate.
 
2013-02-22 01:41:06 PM  
*claps* nicely done sir, nicely done.

See, this is why I voted for you, you dumb bastard!

/waiting for the inevitable flood of "but but but but HE'S A CONSERVATARD!!!"
//seriously, he's not a liberal and not trying to be.
///he's a farking mormon republican, this is being liberal for them
 
2013-02-22 01:47:25 PM  

Weaver95: well that's it for his career then. the evangelicals within the GOP will never accept him as any sort of serious presidential candidate.


So, nothing has changed since last year's primaries?
 
2013-02-22 01:48:43 PM  

Weaver95: All Americans should be treated equally by the law, whether they marry in a church, another religious institution, or a town hall. This does not mean that any religious group would be forced by the state to recognize relationships that run counter to their conscience. Civil equality is compatible with, and indeed promotes, freedom of conscience.

well that's it for his career then.  the evangelicals within the GOP will never accept him as any sort of serious presidential candidate.


If he keeps that up, I'd bet he'd more than make up for that from the undicideds in the middle.
 
2013-02-22 01:51:48 PM  
Jon Huntsman is the kind of guy an elitist feminist socialist like myself would be happy to see nominated for president and then beaten soundly by a liberal.
 
2013-02-22 01:57:49 PM  

what_now: Jon Huntsman is the kind of guy an elitist feminist socialist like myself would be happy to see nominated for president and then beaten soundly by a liberal.


This.
Is it a step in the right direction?  Absolutely.  I still don't want him to be president over an actual liberal (all me when you see one, its been a while...)
 
2013-02-22 01:58:16 PM  
Jon Huntsman is the guy in an End of the World/Survivalist movie who you root for because his intelligence and level-headedness is what you admire in a leader, then he gets shot in the head by a random poop-smearing psychopath halfway through the movie.
 
2013-02-22 01:58:39 PM  
Well str8 dudes tell this old homo if they're worth maybe gett'n shot over.

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2013-02-22 01:58:46 PM  

what_now: Jon Huntsman is the kind of guy an elitist feminist socialist like myself would be happy to see nominated for president and then beaten soundly by a liberal.


That would've made for the most reasonable, nicest debate between Obama and Huntsman if he got the nomination
 
2013-02-22 01:58:57 PM  

Weaver95: the evangelicals within the GOP will never accept him as any sort of serious presidential candidate.


He's already a Mormon.  He had nothing to lose.
 
2013-02-22 01:59:20 PM  
I'll risk it.

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2013-02-22 02:00:12 PM  

neversubmit: Well str8 dudes tell this old homo if they're worth maybe gett'n shot over.

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yes, but the first one kinda looks like her dad with long blonde hair
 
2013-02-22 02:00:26 PM  
The national primary is set up to never allow that to happen, thanks to the bible belt.
 
2013-02-22 02:01:13 PM  

ShawnDoc: Weaver95: well that's it for his career then. the evangelicals within the GOP will never accept him as any sort of serious presidential candidate.

So, nothing has changed since last year's primaries?


nope.  the GOP is still trying to believe that they lost because they 1. weren't conservative enough and that 2. 'low information' voters just don't understand what the Republican party stands for anymore.
 
2013-02-22 02:02:49 PM  
Welp, he might as well just sign up on the D side.
 
2013-02-22 02:04:52 PM  

neversubmit: Well str8 dudes tell this old homo if they're worth maybe gett'n shot over.

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Maybe, Yes, No.
 
2013-02-22 02:05:08 PM  

Weaver95: ShawnDoc: Weaver95: well that's it for his career then. the evangelicals within the GOP will never accept him as any sort of serious presidential candidate.

So, nothing has changed since last year's primaries?

nope.  the GOP is still trying to believe that they lost because they 1. weren't conservative enough and that 2. 'low information' voters just don't understand what the Republican party stands for anymore.


so let's fix that. We have a decent guy that is the face of the new Republican Party if there is ever going to be one. Why should we just lay down and give up without helping to fight to get him a seat at the table?

He's better than all the GOP contenders that have been talked about. Is he a libby lib? No, and he's never going to be. Is he an intelligent conservative republican? Yes, he is.
 
2013-02-22 02:07:51 PM  
This picture always makes me feel so sad for Huntsman:

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I disagree strongly with many/most of his stances, and I would never vote for him over Obama, but he was clearly the best of this bunch and he never had a chance. Everyone had their time as the front runner but him. I'd be so pissed.
 
2013-02-22 02:07:54 PM  
But it's difficult to get people even to consider your reform ideas if they think, with good reason, you don't like or respect them.

They think you don't respect them? They think?

Up until now I had some respect for Huntsman, but I just lost it. Oh well, I wasn't about to start voting Republican anyway.
 
2013-02-22 02:07:55 PM  
Santorum will wipe Huntsman's ass clean in the primaries.  And it will be glorious.
 
2013-02-22 02:09:03 PM  
We must be happy warriors who refuse to tolerate those who want Hispanic votes but not Hispanic neighbors. We should applaud states that lead on reforming drug policy. And, consistent with the Republican Party's origins, we must demand equality under the law for all Americans.

Wait, did he just advocate gay marriage, real immigration reform and legalization? I think the mormon thing is a ruse
 
2013-02-22 02:09:05 PM  

WTF Indeed: Jon Huntsman is the guy in an End of the World/Survivalist movie who you root for because his intelligence and level-headedness is what you admire in a leader, then he gets shot in the head by a random poop-smearing psychopath halfway through the movie.


So... a modern GOPer?
 
2013-02-22 02:09:32 PM  

somedude210: Weaver95: ShawnDoc: Weaver95: well that's it for his career then. the evangelicals within the GOP will never accept him as any sort of serious presidential candidate.

So, nothing has changed since last year's primaries?

nope.  the GOP is still trying to believe that they lost because they 1. weren't conservative enough and that 2. 'low information' voters just don't understand what the Republican party stands for anymore.

so let's fix that. We have a decent guy that is the face of the new Republican Party if there is ever going to be one. Why should we just lay down and give up without helping to fight to get him a seat at the table?

He's better than all the GOP contenders that have been talked about. Is he a libby lib? No, and he's never going to be. Is he an intelligent conservative republican? Yes, he is.


we can't 'fix it'.  look, the GOP leadership is in a really bad head space.  they're run by a collective of the WORST sort of boss to have: insecure know it alls who see intelligence, charisma and leadership ability as a threat to their established position.  if someone with talent and good ideas were to actually get into position to reform the Republican party, he'd be sabotaged by his fellows, torn apart and fed to the rank and file in bloody gobbets, lightly seasoned with oregano and a dash of horseradish sauce.
 
2013-02-22 02:10:23 PM  

somedude210: Weaver95: ShawnDoc: Weaver95: well that's it for his career then. the evangelicals within the GOP will never accept him as any sort of serious presidential candidate.

So, nothing has changed since last year's primaries?

nope.  the GOP is still trying to believe that they lost because they 1. weren't conservative enough and that 2. 'low information' voters just don't understand what the Republican party stands for anymore.

so let's fix that. We have a decent guy that is the face of the new Republican Party if there is ever going to be one. Why should we just lay down and give up without helping to fight to get him a seat at the table?

He's better than all the GOP contenders that have been talked about. Is he a libby lib? No, and he's never going to be. Is he an intelligent conservative republican? Yes, he is.


The problem is that Huntsman is a Republican that *Democrats* like.  The religious right will never go for him, and that's the kiss of death.  Honestly, I see him being a *very* good VP pick later in life, or, god forbid, a decent Democratic pick if he were to campaign on the more civil-rights-focused libertarian facets of his beliefs.
 
2013-02-22 02:12:14 PM  
sorry douche, it's a cause that was taken up by liberals when  that kind of equality wasn't close to a mainstream belief, conservatives fought it tooth and nail and now that more people accept it than don't you're jumping on the gay bandwagon.
 
2013-02-22 02:14:10 PM  

somedude210: //seriously, he's not a liberal and not trying to be.


In this country, pro-marriage equality is not only liberal, but farther left than most Dems.  Someone clearly needs to primary that RINO!
 
2013-02-22 02:14:52 PM  

RumsfeldsReplacement: Santorum will wipe Huntsman's ass clean in the primaries.  And it will be glorious.


so you don't want a reasonable republican, who apparently has just advocated gay marriage, legalization, and immigration reform in 3 sentences, but want Frothy? Dear god, why?
 
2013-02-22 02:16:21 PM  
I want the GOP to turn around and become like this guy, not so much because I would vote for him as because I would be honestly making a choice between two realistic candidates when I vote instead of just going straight-D to preserve my civil liberties and human rights.
 
2013-02-22 02:17:27 PM  
The GOP's only hope
 
2013-02-22 02:18:20 PM  
And, consistent with the Republican Party's origins, we must demand equality under the law for all Americans.

 The Republican Party's origins were as the northern liberal party against a southern conservative Democratic party, no?
 
2013-02-22 02:18:37 PM  
Holy balls an actual conservative policy from a Republican.
 
2013-02-22 02:23:14 PM  
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Better hide the wifey too John, because I'd be willing to chance it with any of them.
I run fast and you're old enough your eyes are probably starting to go.
 
2013-02-22 02:24:22 PM  

Lexx: The problem is that Huntsman is a Republican that *Democrats* like. The religious right will never go for him, and that's the kiss of death. Honestly, I see him being a *very* good VP pick later in life, or, god forbid, a decent Democratic pick if he were to campaign on the more civil-rights-focused libertarian facets of his beliefs.


He can easily pull a primary win in the North-east, industrial north (ohio to minn) and the west coast. That should be enough to get him the nomination. Any votes he'd lose to Santorum and the godly elite will be offset by the democrats voting republican or moderates voting republican.

It's not unheard of that he could pull a win. The establishment might try and fark him over but that's to be expected.

HMS_Blinkin: In this country, pro-marriage equality is not only liberal, but farther left than most Dems. Someone clearly needs to primary that RINO!


Well, since he's not in office for anything, I don't think he can be primaried but yeah, to have a former governor of farking Utah make civil unions legal there (with 70% opposition) and then openly endorsing gay marriage, that takes farking balls.

but anyone taking an actual look at him since he announced his primary run already knew this was inevitable. He's a conservative Republican a liberal could love

/seriously, the dude is a statesman, not a politician
 
2013-02-22 02:25:36 PM  

Headso: sorry douche, it's a cause that was taken up by liberals when  that kind of equality wasn't close to a mainstream belief, conservatives fought it tooth and nail and now that more people accept it than don't you're jumping on the gay bandwagon.


Once conservatives realize one of their platforms is wrong, the opposing platform instantly becomes conservative instead.
 
2013-02-22 02:26:26 PM  

Xythero: And, consistent with the Republican Party's origins, we must demand equality under the law for all Americans.

 The Republican Party's origins were as the northern liberal party against a southern conservative Democratic party, no?


pretty much, yeah. The party of Lincoln freed the slaves and gave women the right to vote. Its sad to see them go the way that they did

/but democrats have been getting more conservative the last decade that this is a welcome chance
 
2013-02-22 02:26:33 PM  

mpirooz: The GOP's only hope


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Oh, kidding the hell who am I?  It he is.
 
2013-02-22 02:29:06 PM  

Weaver95: well that's it for his career then.


It was already dead. Now he's just dancing on its corpse.

neversubmit: Well str8 dudes tell this old homo if they're worth maybe gett'n shot over.

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I'd consider risking it for the one on the right, because I'm a bit of a chubby-chaser. The one on the left has an adorable face. The brunette has sharp knees.
 
2013-02-22 02:30:19 PM  
If the GOP kicked out the bible pounders they'd be the dominating party for a whole generation.  Most independents and quite a few democrats only vote blue because we'd rather be broke as a country than turn into a theocracy.
 
2013-02-22 02:30:59 PM  

Karac: [www1.pictures.zimbio.com image 594x396]

Better hide the wifey too John, because I'd be willing to chance it with any of them.
I run fast and you're old enough your eyes are probably starting to go.

www1.pictures.zimbio.com 
Since he's a Republican, I wouldn't be surprised if "wifey" is the short asian-looking one on the right.
 
2013-02-22 02:31:20 PM  

somedude210: *claps* nicely done sir, nicely done.

See, this is why I voted for you, you dumb bastard!

/waiting for the inevitable flood of "but but but but HE'S A CONSERVATARD!!!"
//seriously, he's not a liberal and not trying to be.
///he's a farking mormon republican, this is being liberal for them


Okay during which debate did he take this position? Could you please share a link to his campaign ad in suppory of marriage equality?
Funny he comes out in favor when it doesn't cost hom anything and you still act like is a hero.
 
2013-02-22 02:32:41 PM  

Citrate1007: If the GOP kicked out the bible pounders they'd be the dominating party for a whole generation.  Most independents and quite a few democrats only vote blue because we'd rather be broke as a country than turn into a theocracy.


Pretty much. You know what the difference between a MA republican and the national party is? We believe in god, we just don't shout it from the damn rooftops whenever we can
 
2013-02-22 02:36:07 PM  

kregh99: Since he's a Republican, I wouldn't be surprised if "wifey" is the short asian-looking one on the right.


The "short asian-looking one on the right" would have to be a male for him to be a true Republican.
 
2013-02-22 02:38:01 PM  

Headso: sorry douche, it's a cause that was taken up by liberals when  that kind of equality wasn't close to a mainstream belief, conservatives fought it tooth and nail and now that more people accept it than don't you're jumping on the gay bandwagon.


I have you farkied as one of the more reasonable around here.  I'd think you'd acknowledge that intellectually honest people can have a change of heart/mind.
 
2013-02-22 02:39:47 PM  

Weaver95: All Americans should be treated equally by the law, whether they marry in a church, another religious institution, or a town hall. This does not mean that any religious group would be forced by the state to recognize relationships that run counter to their conscience. Civil equality is compatible with, and indeed promotes, freedom of conscience.

well that's it for his career then.  the evangelicals within the GOP will never accept him as any sort of serious presidential candidate.


I sincerely doubt a lack of GOP support will harm the career of Jon Huntsman (D).
 
2013-02-22 02:40:54 PM  

neversubmit: Well str8 dudes tell this old homo if they're worth maybe gett'n shot over.

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2 1 3

/3 has big arms and white is very unflattering for her
 
2013-02-22 02:44:39 PM  
Well, I undoubtedly agree with Huntsman that marriage equality IS a conservative cause.  If you truly stand for small government and personal liberties, supporting it is a no-brainer.

Good for you, Jon for speaking up about it.  Now if you could just come out against the Randian corpsefarking wet dream that is the Ryan budget, which you have been so enthusiastic about, we'd be good.
 
2013-02-22 02:45:27 PM  

Wicked Chinchilla: what_now: Jon Huntsman is the kind of guy an elitist feminist socialist like myself would be happy to see nominated for president and then beaten soundly by a liberal.

This.
Is it a step in the right direction?  Absolutely.  I still don't want him to be president over an actual liberal (all me when you see one, its been a while...)


Honestly, a guy like this would be able to get congress to do far more than they would with an actual liberal. We need moderates as Presidents.
 
2013-02-22 02:45:30 PM  

MrEricSir: But it's difficult to get people even to consider your reform ideas if they think, with good reason, you don't like or respect them.

They think you don't respect them? They think?

Up until now I had some respect for Huntsman, but I just lost it. Oh well, I wasn't about to start voting Republican anyway.


Oh, come on now. He said, "with good reason". As in, they're pretty much right to believe that. And the rest of the statement is true as well - if somebody's elevator pitch starts out with "I'm going to shiat all over you", you're probably not going to listen to the rest. It's the rest of the party that has the problem of trying to trick minorities into thinking they're not just being spiteful, because the policies are, on their face, spiteful.
 
2013-02-22 02:46:09 PM  

spongeboob: Okay during which debate did he take this position? Could you please share a link to his campaign ad in suppory of marriage equality?
Funny he comes out in favor when it doesn't cost hom anything and you still act like is a hero.


Supporting full civil unions in 2008 in farking Utah with 70% opposition to it? That doesn't take balls? Really?

heads up, full civil unions and gay marriage are the same rights, different names.

He's also supported increased federal minimum wage, and cut the incredibly strict alcohol laws in Utah. oversaw the largest job growth of any state during his tenure. Increased the state budget. He proposed a 400% increase to the cigarette tax, he gave tax credits to those who bought their own health insurance, threatened to veto any bill to repeal in-state tuition for illegal immigrants, signed into law "driving privilege cards" for illegals to drive legally, he supported western states' initiatives to restrict greenhouse gases and supported tax credits for solar power.

Again, what exactly is wrong with any of that?
 
2013-02-22 02:47:08 PM  
I wonder if this will affect his standing with the LDS Church at all. That was a pretty bold statement; I can't imagine it would sit well with them.
 
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