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2013-02-22 03:21:12 PM
But he doesn't have any legs LT. Dan
 
2013-02-22 03:22:08 PM
You all forget - He's a running man, it goes around his neck!

/perimeter armed
 
2013-02-22 03:22:22 PM
PoochUMD:  brigid_fitch: keylock71: I freely admit I haven't been following this story closely as I don't really care one way or the other, but...
Doesn't it seem odd that a person would just fire off multiple rounds through a bathroom door without you know, checking to see if it was just his girlfriend taking a late night dump? Especially if one lives in a gated community?
Did his girlfriend not sleep in the same bed as him?
Again, I may be missing something vital to the story here, but his version of events seems a bit suspect to me. *shrug*
The magistrate pointed that out during his 90-minute bail soliloquy, too.  Pistorius hears someone in the bathroom, grabs his gun, goes to the bathroom door, and fires.  Doesn't put on his prosthetics, doesn't check to see if his girlfriend is in bed next to him, doesn't call out to see if it's her in the bathroom--just fires.  I don't care how groggy you are in the middle of the night, your first instincts aren't to fire blindly at a locked bathroom door.
Based on his statement, he woke up, got out of bed to move a fan and when he returned to bed he noticed that someone was in the toilet room within the bathroom. The bathroom window was open. He said that in hindsight, she must have gotten up as he was moving the fan. So I assume his girlfriend was next to him in bed when he got out, and by the time he returned she was in the toilet room and that's where the confusion set in. If I get out of a bed where I know my wife is sleeping and 30 seconds later notice that someone is locked in the bathroom, my first thought might be an intruder.


So by your account when he went back to bed, he was able to notice that someone was in the bathroom but wasn't able to notice that his girlfriend was missing from bed.  I wasn't aware that when a crook burglarizes a home the bathroom is a prime target.
 
2013-02-22 03:23:36 PM

bedtundy: GungFu: IAmRight: BTW, re: the defense claiming "well, crime is really high, so this is a totally logical sequence of events."

Um yeah, if this story passes muster, I think I can see why crime is so high. You don't even have to make up a plausible alibi!

"Yeah I shot my neighbor but I thought he was going to attack me!"
"You shot a 9-year-old kid 18 times."
"DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE CRIME RATES ARE HERE? I HEARD SOMEONE RING THE DOORBELL AND HAD TO PROTECT MYSELF!"

Yeah, it's total bullshiat.

The fact is this: he fired a machine gun into a bathroom - it's attempted murder, for one, regardless of who was in the bathroom. I'm pretty sure firing a machine gun into a closed area was not a warning tactic.

That he killed someone with his actions means he should get charged for murder or manslaughter charges. He should not get away for this because it was 'an accident'. Machine gun, ffs!

And who knows, burglar or not, he could have killed kids with his actions. Burglar kids, but kids all the same.

I hope this coont goes to jail. But I doubt he will. Yes, he will walk....an unnatural walk.

He'll most likely get hit with manslaughter charges, but this is South Africa so I'm not familiar with how their laws look upon unintended consequences.  That is if he can prove the consequences of his actions weren't intentional.  However, firing blindly into a door the person doing the firing generally has an idea of what will happen on the other side of the door.  This is a weird one though.


You're also apparently not familiar with the fact that he's already been charged with murder.
 
2013-02-22 03:26:33 PM

ukexpat: I have never seen a bail hearing take so long. Why did it take days and not just a few hours and why did the judge/magistrate or whatever he is drone on so long giving his decision? A simple "bail granted" would have been sufficient.


Looks like S. Africa isn't immune to the celebrity trial effect.

Most judges don't take quite as long as Lance Ito did, either...
 
2013-02-22 03:30:04 PM

brigid_fitch: keylock71: I freely admit I haven't been following this story closely as I don't really care one way or the other, but...

Doesn't it seem odd that a person would just fire off multiple rounds through a bathroom door without you know, checking to see if it was just his girlfriend taking a late night dump? Especially if one lives in a gated community?

Did his girlfriend not sleep in the same bed as him?

Again, I may be missing something vital to the story here, but his version of events seems a bit suspect to me. *shrug*

The magistrate pointed that out during his 90-minute bail soliloquy, too.  Pistorius hears someone in the bathroom, grabs his gun, goes to the bathroom door, and fires.  Doesn't put on his prosthetics, doesn't check to see if his girlfriend is in bed next to him, doesn't call out to see if it's her in the bathroom--just fires.  I don't care how groggy you are in the middle of the night, your first instincts aren't to fire blindly at a locked bathroom door.


Normally, I'd agree, but S. Africa has a truly heinous crime rate...when I was there in '97, heavily armed gangs of former POLICEMEN were knocking over a bank a week.  Not sure things have gotten any better, and any competent defense attorney will play up that angle.
 
2013-02-22 03:34:14 PM

GungFu: IAmRight: BTW, re: the defense claiming "well, crime is really high, so this is a totally logical sequence of events."

Um yeah, if this story passes muster, I think I can see why crime is so high. You don't even have to make up a plausible alibi!

"Yeah I shot my neighbor but I thought he was going to attack me!"
"You shot a 9-year-old kid 18 times."
"DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE CRIME RATES ARE HERE? I HEARD SOMEONE RING THE DOORBELL AND HAD TO PROTECT MYSELF!"

Yeah, it's total bullshiat.

The fact is this: he fired a machine gun into a bathroom - it's attempted murder, for one, regardless of who was in the bathroom. I'm pretty sure firing a machine gun into a closed area was not a warning tactic.

That he killed someone with his actions means he should get charged for murder or manslaughter charges. He should not get away for this because it was 'an accident'. Machine gun, ffs!

And who knows, burglar or not, he could have killed kids with his actions. Burglar kids, but kids all the same.

I hope this coont goes to jail. But I doubt he will. Yes, he will walk....an unnatural walk.


I'm pretty liberal, but I don't farking care how young a burglar is...getting shot IS an occupational hazard.

If they're young enough, the homeowner should get to shoot the parents too...even if they weren't there.
 
2013-02-22 03:37:42 PM

Latinwolf: PoochUMD:  brigid_fitch: keylock71: I freely admit I haven't been following this story closely as I don't really care one way or the other, but...
Doesn't it seem odd that a person would just fire off multiple rounds through a bathroom door without you know, checking to see if it was just his girlfriend taking a late night dump? Especially if one lives in a gated community?
Did his girlfriend not sleep in the same bed as him?
Again, I may be missing something vital to the story here, but his version of events seems a bit suspect to me. *shrug*
The magistrate pointed that out during his 90-minute bail soliloquy, too.  Pistorius hears someone in the bathroom, grabs his gun, goes to the bathroom door, and fires.  Doesn't put on his prosthetics, doesn't check to see if his girlfriend is in bed next to him, doesn't call out to see if it's her in the bathroom--just fires.  I don't care how groggy you are in the middle of the night, your first instincts aren't to fire blindly at a locked bathroom door.
Based on his statement, he woke up, got out of bed to move a fan and when he returned to bed he noticed that someone was in the toilet room within the bathroom. The bathroom window was open. He said that in hindsight, she must have gotten up as he was moving the fan. So I assume his girlfriend was next to him in bed when he got out, and by the time he returned she was in the toilet room and that's where the confusion set in. If I get out of a bed where I know my wife is sleeping and 30 seconds later notice that someone is locked in the bathroom, my first thought might be an intruder.

So by your account when he went back to bed, he was able to notice that someone was in the bathroom but wasn't able to notice that his girlfriend was missing from bed.  I wasn't aware that when a crook burglarizes a home the bathroom is a prime target.


In a pitch black room (according to him), it's easy to notice a crack of light around a toilet room door and not that your girlfriend that was sleeping in bed 30 seconds prior is no longer there. The bathroom window was open and the only point of entry for a burglar to enter the bedroom. So like I said, my first thought might be intruder. My second, third and forth thoughts might be ways to confirm that suspicion before opening fire on a door though.
 
2013-02-22 03:38:30 PM

monoski: Skyrmion: Popcorn Johnny: His statement in court said that he wasn't wearing his prosthetics when he went to check on the noise he heard. The bullet holes in the door where at a height of 5 feet. Not that his story made any sense in the first place, but this seals the deal.

He wasn't particularly close to the door that he was shooting through. You might be able to tell something from the angle that the bullets went through, but not from the 5 ft. height itself.

There was a magistrate interviewed a few days back and he said it does not matter if he "felt" threatened. Under SA law firing blindly into a door constitutes murder.


S. African homicide/manslaughter split:

http://books.google.com/books?id=ggxAhLBuOegC&pg=PA469&lpg=PA469&dq= s. +africa+manslaughter+law&source=bl&ots=0Y0PuRObfi&sig=cRIb3zWNoxXqIhsT COsEXv8kwME&hl=en&sa=X&ei=2dYnUZnMIcXh0gGEr4GQDg&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA#v=one page&q=s.%20africa%20manslaughter%20law&f=false
 
2013-02-22 03:49:26 PM

give me doughnuts: They missed a bullet left in the bathroom, didn't bother with shoe-coverings to prevent contamination of the crime scene, and "lost" the unused ammunition collected from the bedroom.

What other mistakes did they make? How accurate is the rest of their report?


You should be a defense attorney.
 
2013-02-22 03:52:14 PM

GungFu: I'm a Brit. I only know guns from watching the gun shop scene in The Terminator, and that if it's an automatic, it's a machine gun, like an Uzi or a Glock.

Don't judge me!


Not to derail, but this right here is one of the main problems of the whole gun control debate. People coughing up opinions on things they know nothing about.
And other people making laws on things they know nothing about.

/outlawing bits of evil looking plastic
 
2013-02-22 03:56:58 PM

YouPeopleAreCrazy: And other people making laws on things they know nothing about.


I'd say they know a lot more about guns than they do any of the other things they're making laws about. At least there's something tangible with them and there are actual definitions, even if they don't know them. What are the odds any of them have read the whole tax code that they keep amending? Or any of the legislation that gets passed?
 
2013-02-22 04:03:00 PM

YouPeopleAreCrazy: And other people making laws on things they know nothing about.


Isn't that pretty much Congress' entire job?? It would be nice if prior to proposing any law or voting on it, they all had to attend some in-depth classes at least explaining the basics of WTF it was the law in question pertains to, and maybe even be required to pass a test on the subject before being allowed to vote on the law, but I suspect that'll never happen... So, we're stuck with people who nothing about guns making laws about guns, people who know nothing about the Internet making laws about the Internet, people who know nothing about video games making laws about video games, etc... It's not merely limited to gun-control, I'm afraid...
 
2013-02-22 04:22:58 PM

monoski: PoochUMD: The magistrate pointed that out during his 90-minute bail soliloquy, too. Pistorius hears someone in the bathroom, grabs his gun, goes to the bathroom door, and fires. Doesn't put on his prosthetics, doesn't check to see if his girlfriend is in bed next to him, doesn't call out to see if it's her in the bathroom--just fires. I don't care how groggy you are in the middle of the night, your first instincts aren't to fire blindly at a locked bathroom door.

Based on his statement, he woke up, got out of bed to move a fan and when he returned to bed he noticed that someone was in the toilet room within the bathroom. The bathroom window was open. He said that in hindsight, she must have gotten up as he was moving the fan. So I assume his girlfriend was next to him in bed when he got out, and by the time he returned she was in the toilet room and that's where the confusion set in. If I get out of a bed where I know my wife is sleeping and 30 seconds later notice that someone is locked in the bathroom, my first thought might be an intruder.

It may not matter. There was another magistrate interviewed a few days back and he said it does not matter if he "felt" threatened. Under SA law firing blindly into a door constitutes murder.


Yes, it does constitute murder.  However, the prosecution is going for PREMEDITATED Murder.  Regardless of the charges, it's pretty much guaranteed that he will serve some time, but I see nothing in either version of events that screams 'premeditated'..

Personally, I'm of the opinion that it was a terrible and tragic mistake...but if they don't get the charges straightened out, I wonder if this might turn into another Casey Anthony trial.  There is no way they have the evidence to meet the burden of proof for premeditation.
 
2013-02-22 04:24:15 PM

SarcasticFark: Personally, I'm of the opinion that it was a terrible and tragic mistake...


You're kind of a sucker then.
 
2013-02-22 04:25:56 PM

IAmRight: SarcasticFark: Personally, I'm of the opinion that it was a terrible and tragic mistake...

You're kind of a sucker then.


Well then tell me, Mr Right...what evidence, in your mind, points to him being guilty of premeditation?
 
2013-02-22 04:55:21 PM
Has anyone called Subby a magnificent bastard yet?
 
2013-02-22 04:57:28 PM

SarcasticFark: Well then tell me, Mr Right...what evidence, in your mind, points to him being guilty of premeditation?


His entire story.

Don't care what the crime rate is. There's no way I'm going to believe that he automatically hears a bump in the night and immediately shoots up whatever door is closed, just because you'd figure it might've come up before.
 
2013-02-22 05:13:37 PM
Probably the best headline of the year. Bravo! Clever as hell.
 
2013-02-22 05:35:23 PM

Tigger: lucksi: Sybarite: When the case goes to trial, a judge will decide Pistorius' fate. There are no jury trials in criminal cases in South Africa

Hmm, learned something new.

Dude, most of the world has a different justice system. In fact, if your country doesn't have a trial by jury system, you'd find a system with a jury utterly ridiculous.

On the other hand, I always get a laugh if some stupid reporter says "Didn't get a trial by jury just like in Nazi-Germany" Or, you know, modern day Germany.

50% of all the jury trails in the world are conducted in the United States.


As are the Oregon Trails.
 
2013-02-22 05:38:12 PM

Cerebral Knievel: SlothB77: How do you let someone with an attempted murder charge hanging over their head be the lead detective in a murder case as high profile as this?

Truly negligent prosecution.

That was kinda the point of the question i asked earlier, that no one deemed able or willing to answer (jerks). If the guy has this thang over his head, but his bosses deem still competent in his job to let him run around doing cop stuff, then what does that case have to do with this case?

Wouldn't this set up a situation where every other, case the guy has been working on since those charges were brought up against him now be in danger of being thrown out?

Why isn't this guy on desk duty? Is he a super cop that doesn't follow the rules like Mel Gibson in lethal weapon?

Hey! Weren't there South Africans in lethal weapon?


The plot thickens.....


There was an article from when this was first announced that said that the police officer was originally cleared of all charges from that, but very recently the case was reopened and his immediate commanders didn't know about it. It all smells a little fishy to me.
 
2013-02-22 05:41:11 PM

Popcorn Johnny: His statement in court said that he wasn't wearing his prosthetics when he went to check on the noise he heard. The bullet holes in the door where at a height of 5 feet. Not that his story made any sense in the first place, but this seals the deal.


The trick to this is that bullets can travel UP quite well if the gun is tilted that way.  With a standard indoor door you have two panels for the bullet to penetrate, giving you the ability to determine the vector and thus the firing height.  It's not entirely accurate - bullets will tend to make much bigger holes than the neat silhouettes you get with paper targets, but you should still be able to make that determination.

IAmRight: His entire story.


Remember, we only have news reports written by reporters for his story; in cases like this I believe that 'the devil is in the details'.  Lacking those, I can't really say how the trial will turn out.

All I can say is that, on the balance, I think he needs to serve a good amount of time.  US justice system - 20 years.  Norway - 7.
 
2013-02-22 06:19:58 PM
Did he not realize whose head he was bashing in with the cricket bat?
 
2013-02-22 06:26:51 PM
www.goldenspatula.net

Certainly they can find some for him that the ankle monitor will fit on.
 
2013-02-22 06:27:02 PM
Notsureifflightrisk

Confiscate his legs?
 
2013-02-22 06:27:31 PM

IAmRight: SarcasticFark: Well then tell me, Mr Right...what evidence, in your mind, points to him being guilty of premeditation?

His entire story.

Don't care what the crime rate is. There's no way I'm going to believe that he automatically hears a bump in the night and immediately shoots up whatever door is closed, just because you'd figure it might've come up before.


Apparently you lack the reading comprehension skills that I require to enter into a debate with you.  I spoke only to the charge of premeditation, not the murder charge itself.
 
2013-02-22 06:54:34 PM
Wow. Why don't we settle down people. It really wasn't that great.
 
2013-02-22 07:24:48 PM
Nicely done Esubrakey!
 
2013-02-22 07:41:54 PM

Firethorn: The trick to this is that bullets can travel UP quite well if the gun is tilted that way.  With a standard indoor door you have two panels for the bullet to penetrate, giving you the ability to determine the vector and thus the firing height.  It's not entirely accurate - bullets will tend to make much bigger holes than the neat silhouettes you get with paper targets, but you should still be able to make that determination.


If the bullets were fired upward and went through the door at 5 feet, they wouldn't have hit her.
 
2013-02-22 07:42:33 PM
www.kutsuki.org

Clearly, we're going to have to up our game for this guy.
 
2013-02-22 08:01:51 PM

ongbok: Cerebral Knievel: SlothB77: How do you let someone with an attempted murder charge hanging over their head be the lead detective in a murder case as high profile as this?

Truly negligent prosecution.

That was kinda the point of the question i asked earlier, that no one deemed able or willing to answer (jerks). If the guy has this thang over his head, but his bosses deem still competent in his job to let him run around doing cop stuff, then what does that case have to do with this case?

Wouldn't this set up a situation where every other, case the guy has been working on since those charges were brought up against him now be in danger of being thrown out?

Why isn't this guy on desk duty? Is he a super cop that doesn't follow the rules like Mel Gibson in lethal weapon?

Hey! Weren't there South Africans in lethal weapon?


The plot thickens.....

There was an article from when this was first announced that said that the police officer was originally cleared of all charges from that, but very recently the case was reopened and his immediate commanders didn't know about it. It all smells a little fishy to me.


well yes, it appears that a lot of money is being spent and influence being pushed to protect a national hero

this whole Shot at a mini bus thing sounds to me like perps flee the scene, almost runs over the cop in the process, officer discharges weapon to get the thing to stop, followed by an investigation as to why the weapon was discharged in the first place routine stuff.

now that there is the reputation of a national hero on the line, railroad the guy in charge of investigating the crime to protect the hero with clay fee.....

.....sorry...
 
2013-02-22 08:08:57 PM
Why is this such a big story?

Some guy who I never heard of before kills his wife in farking South Africa and it gets wall to wall coverage on the news.

I think this is the first time a murder in South Africa has received this much coverage on foreign news outlets and as I understand it South Africa is a violent country.
 
2013-02-22 08:11:07 PM
Seems like the South African Constabulary are going to so what Nature couldn't: get Pistorius to walk.
 
2013-02-22 08:33:06 PM
Subby, has a leg up on the HOTY competition.
 
2013-02-22 09:43:25 PM

cookiefleck: I'm pretty sure subby lifted this headline from a joke made in a previous thread about pistorious


This. Saw it in a previous thread. Bad subby!
 
2013-02-22 10:52:10 PM

Vodka Zombie: Subby?

You magnificent bastard!


Seconded.

www.film-trip.com
 
2013-02-22 11:26:59 PM

ukexpat: I have never seen a bail hearing take so long. Why did it take days and not just a few hours and why did the judge/magistrate or whatever he is drone on so long giving his decision? A simple "bail granted" would have been sufficient.


Completely agree.
 
2013-02-23 12:08:35 AM
Cant' wait to see the Antwoord video, me.
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2013-02-23 02:52:13 AM
Why does no one mention the fact that he had a state-of-the-art surveillance system in his home AND three large dogs? And if he was so scared of burglars--what do you do, leave the window open and accessible, or put safety bars on it?

Of course I'd like to think it was an accident but his story has lots of implausible elements. It seems they strained to come up with a scenario that fit the evidence they had. The testosterone was his father's? Riiiiight... He shot through the bathroom door four times from a height of 5' without his prosthetics on? Riiight.

Also, the point about her locking or unlocking the door is kind of moot, unless we know what she normally does, which is where her family or other witnesses come in. Some people see that a bathroom door being closed is enough of an indicator to others not to barge in. Some are extra-inhibited/insecure and insist on it being locked. Whatever, could swing either way.

Motive? There were lots of rumors swirling around about her potentially being involved with someone else at the same time, and they possibly were texting each other. That might have pissed off a testosterone laden, very driven guy who's grown somewhat used to having things his way (see his tiff at the 2012 Paralympics, 400m).

Also, people keep saying her bladder was empty so she went to the toilet to pee and it was all a mistake. But how do we know she didn't empty her bladder two hours before, and hadn't consumed liquids for the previous eight?

I can't believe he got bail. He seems like a dangerous, volatile trigger happy control freak to me. As well as a liar.
 
2013-02-23 03:03:35 AM
SarcasticFarkYes, it does constitute murder. However, the prosecution is going for PREMEDITATED Murder. Regardless of the charges, it's pretty much guaranteed that he will serve some time, but I see nothing in either version of events that screams 'premeditated'..

Personally, I'm of the opinion that it was a terrible and tragic mistake...but if they don't get the charges straightened out, I wonder if this might turn into another Casey Anthony trial. There is no way they have the evidence to meet the burden of proof for premeditation.


There's not been enough time for them to gather forensic evidence that it was premeditated, or perhaps they haven't revealed what they do have. I think any text messages, for example, will be critical. And if they did have a fight and he followed her into the bathroom as opposed to "whoops-a-daisy, I thought an intruder had locked himself in there", then yes, it was premeditated.

At this point you really have no basis to weight it in either direction. We have his rendition which is probably going to be a tad inaccurate if he is guilty. We have the prosecution's case which is probably going to be a tad inaccurate because more evidence/forensics gathering is needed. As well as maybe a prosecutor with a cleaner record. So try to retain some objectivity. We simply don't have enough knowledge of the evidence at this point to make a proper decision as to his guilt or innocence of premeditated murder.
 
2013-02-23 06:21:50 AM

farkplug: Why does no one mention the fact that he had a state-of-the-art surveillance system in his home AND three large dogs? And if he was so scared of burglars--what do you do, leave the window open and accessible, or put safety bars on it?

Of course I'd like to think it was an accident but his story has lots of implausible elements. It seems they strained to come up with a scenario that fit the evidence they had. The testosterone was his father's? Riiiiight... He shot through the bathroom door four times from a height of 5' without his prosthetics on? Riiight.

Also, the point about her locking or unlocking the door is kind of moot, unless we know what she normally does, which is where her family or other witnesses come in. Some people see that a bathroom door being closed is enough of an indicator to others not to barge in. Some are extra-inhibited/insecure and insist on it being locked. Whatever, could swing either way.

Motive? There were lots of rumors swirling around about her potentially being involved with someone else at the same time, and they possibly were texting each other. That might have pissed off a testosterone laden, very driven guy who's grown somewhat used to having things his way (see his tiff at the 2012 Paralympics, 400m).

Also, people keep saying her bladder was empty so she went to the toilet to pee and it was all a mistake. But how do we know she didn't empty her bladder two hours before, and hadn't consumed liquids for the previous eight?

I can't believe he got bail. He seems like a dangerous, volatile trigger happy control freak to me. As well as a liar.


Undersigned by me
 
2013-02-23 10:21:10 AM
I hate when people pluck a funny comment from a previous thread and everybody gives them credit for such a funny headline.
 
2013-02-23 10:47:55 AM
I hate when people pluck a funny comment from a previous thread and everybody gives them credit for such a funny headline.

So do I, although we don't know for 100% certain that the new poster didn't think of the same thing. It is kind of an obvious joke to make. The decent thing would be for the subby to let us know either way, and especially to give the original poster credit.
 
2013-02-23 01:24:33 PM

farkplug: I hate when people pluck a funny comment from a previous thread and everybody gives them credit for such a funny headline.

So do I, although we don't know for 100% certain that the new poster didn't think of the same thing. It is kind of an obvious joke to make. The decent thing would be for the subby to let us know either way, and especially to give the original poster credit.


Please see upthread where I gently addressed this a couple times. We both thought of the same rather obvious joke, and I gave kudos where they were due for an earlier post that I hadn't seen before nor plucked.
 
2013-02-23 02:06:35 PM
Awesome, then, E-brake!
 
2013-02-23 02:17:31 PM

farkplug: Awesome, then, E-brake!


Thank you, much appreciated.
 
2013-02-23 06:11:24 PM

Happy Hours: Why is this such a big story?

Some guy who I never heard of before kills his wife in farking South Africa and it gets wall to wall coverage on the news.

I think this is the first time a murder in South Africa has received this much coverage on foreign news outlets and as I understand it South Africa is a violent country.


A billion trillion times THIS.

WHO THE fark CARES?
 
2013-02-23 06:22:24 PM
E-Brake: farkplug: Awesome, then, E-brake!

- - -

Thank you, much appreciated.


;-)  You're quite welcome.
 
2013-02-23 07:41:10 PM

omnibus_necanda_sunt: Happy Hours: Why is this such a big story?

Some guy who I never heard of before kills his wife in farking South Africa and it gets wall to wall coverage on the news.

I think this is the first time a murder in South Africa has received this much coverage on foreign news outlets and as I understand it South Africa is a violent country.

A billion trillion times THIS.

WHO THE fark CARES?


A famous athlete....as in VERY famous in his country, and fairly well known throughout the world by those who follow sports, who overcomes a huge disability to become very good at what he does....and then does what he is accused of (and has admitted to, though he claims he thought she was an intruder) and you don't see the big deal? Like it or not, if you're famous and you fark up, it's bigger news than if you're Joe Blow.
 
2013-02-24 03:32:15 AM

John Buck 41: omnibus_necanda_sunt: Happy Hours: Why is this such a big story?

Some guy who I never heard of before kills his wife in farking South Africa and it gets wall to wall coverage on the news.

I think this is the first time a murder in South Africa has received this much coverage on foreign news outlets and as I understand it South Africa is a violent country.

A billion trillion times THIS.

WHO THE fark CARES?

A famous athlete....as in VERY famous in his country, and fairly well known throughout the world by those who follow sports, who overcomes a huge disability to become very good at what he does....and then does what he is accused of (and has admitted to, though he claims he thought she was an intruder) and you don't see the big deal? Like it or not, if you're famous and you fark up, it's bigger news than if you're Joe Blow.


Doesn't matter if it was deliberate or accidental, HE SHOT THROUGH A DOOR.

No story here. He shouldn't get bail, he should get convicted. There's no possible chain of events where he's not a bad guy. You don't shoot through doors.
 
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