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(Talking Points Memo)   John McCain made quite an impact with his 'straight talk' to the family of the Aurora shooting victim: "I have voted Republican my whole life.... I'll never vote Republican again - ever"   (tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 318
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2013-02-22 09:41:08 AM  
So, how's that "kinder, softer GOP" thingy working out for ya?
 
2013-02-22 09:54:50 AM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: So, how's that "kinder, softer GOP" thingy working out for ya?


It's a matter of ideological purity. Once they finish slapping down the RINOs and commies, the party will be down to the diamond-hard quintessence of conservatism.

/And never win another election
 
2013-02-22 09:56:03 AM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: So, how's that "kinder, softer GOP" thingy working out for ya?


Actually, weren't they aiming to be less stupid?

Either way, I hope they keep showing their true colors like this.  Anything that speeds along the inevitable demise of America's Crazy Party can only be a good thing.
 
2013-02-22 10:10:31 AM  
She should consider herself lucky.  He could have called her a c*nt.
 
2013-02-22 10:16:58 AM  
talkingpointsmemo.com
"I can tell you right now you need some straight talk. That assault weapons ban will not pass the
Congress of the United States.   PEW!  PEW!  PEW!"



 
2013-02-22 10:20:18 AM  

Diogenes: She should consider herself lucky.  He could have called her a c*nt.


He did.  He just said it in a politically acceptable way.
 
2013-02-22 10:27:56 AM  

GAT_00: Diogenes: She should consider herself lucky.  He could have called her a c*nt.

He did.  He just said it in a politically acceptable way.


And she deserved it.  She's just exploiting a tragedy to advance a political agenda.

/anticipated defense
 
2013-02-22 10:46:56 AM  

St_Francis_P: Grand_Moff_Joseph: So, how's that "kinder, softer GOP" thingy working out for ya?

It's a matter of ideological purity. Once they finish slapping down the RINOs and commies, the party will be down to the diamond-hard quintessence of fascism  conservatism.

/And never win another election


FTFE
 
2013-02-22 10:52:18 AM  
Jesus Christ, there are a lot of things that are despicable about John McCain, this isn't one of them.  Just because you've been affected by tragedy does not mean your opinion and your feelings are more important than anybody else.  Should McCain have blown smoke up her ass like gun control proponents?  Should Congress govern by emotion?
 
2013-02-22 10:53:51 AM  
thank god barry got elected, and not this appalling moron.
 
2013-02-22 10:56:31 AM  

Fark It: Jesus Christ, there are a lot of things that are despicable about John McCain, this isn't one of them.  Just because you've been affected by tragedy does not mean your opinion and your feelings are more important than anybody else.  Should McCain have blown smoke up her ass like gun control proponents?  Should Congress govern by emotion?


And it doesn't mean you get to slap her down and tell her that she has no right to speak.
 
2013-02-22 11:02:01 AM  

Fark It: Jesus Christ, there are a lot of things that are despicable about John McCain, this isn't one of them.  Just because you've been affected by tragedy does not mean your opinion and your feelings are more important than anybody else.  Should McCain have blown smoke up her ass like gun control proponents?  Should Congress govern by emotion?


Valuing the political influence of the NRA (gun manufacturers) over the lives of Americans makes McCain and all the other Republicans against any type of gun control despicable.
 
2013-02-22 11:09:26 AM  

Fark It: Jesus Christ, there are a lot of things that are despicable about John McCain, this isn't one of them.  Just because you've been affected by tragedy does not mean your opinion and your feelings are more important than anybody else.  Should McCain have blown smoke up her ass like gun control proponents?  Should Congress govern by emotion?


No.  But he completely invalidated her.  'It's not gonna pass anyway, so shut up and sit down.'  He dodged.  He didn't say whether he  agreed with a ban or not.  He said it didn't matter.  Some "representative."

And thanks for fulfilling my prophecy.  Happened earlier than I had expected.
 
2013-02-22 11:18:43 AM  

mrshowrules: Valuing the political influence of the NRA (gun manufacturers)


The NRA is a grassroots user-group, whether or not you like to acknowledge it.  The National Shooting Sports Foundation represents gun manufacturers.

I seem to remember another, similar line of thinking not too long ago when it came to tragedy and governance....

"Valuing the political influence of the ACLU (criminals and terrorists) over the lives and safety of Americans makes (insert outspoken opponent of Patriot Act/torture/warrantless wiretapping here) and all the other liberals against any type of anti-terrorism measures despicable."

Diogenes: No. But he completely invalidated her. 'It's not gonna pass anyway, so shut up and sit down.' He dodged. He didn't say whether he agreed with a ban or not. He said it didn't matter. Some "representative."

And thanks for fulfilling my prophecy. Happened earlier than I had expected.


I think it's obvious that he doesn't agree with an AWB, and it doesn't matter as a Senator because an AWB won't leave the House.
 
2013-02-22 11:21:40 AM  

Fark It: it doesn't matter as a Senator because an [X] won't leave the House.


Yes, that status quo is really helping the country and Congress' approval ratings.  Why even hold a town hall then?  Doesn't matter.  And your participation doesn't matter.
 
2013-02-22 11:25:27 AM  
Thank god this guy didn't get elected, because I can not listen to him speak for more than two seconds at a time.
 
2013-02-22 11:25:56 AM  

Diogenes: Fark It: it doesn't matter as a Senator because an [X] won't leave the House.

Yes, that status quo is really helping the country and Congress' approval ratings.  Why even hold a town hall then?  Doesn't matter.  And your participation doesn't matter.


You're going to need more than a handful of senators to change the status quo.  Heller and McDonald are now huge barriers (thankfully) to people who want to outlaw guns, and people are more vigilant now because they remember the failed AWB from 1994.

/start the Amendment process instead of trying to chip away at the Constitution via legislative fiat
 
2013-02-22 11:30:38 AM  

Fark It: The NRA is a grassroots user-group


This utter bullshiat propaganda brought to you by a resident NRA shill.
 
2013-02-22 11:31:02 AM  

Fark It: Diogenes: Fark It: it doesn't matter as a Senator because an [X] won't leave the House.

Yes, that status quo is really helping the country and Congress' approval ratings.  Why even hold a town hall then?  Doesn't matter.  And your participation doesn't matter.

You're going to need more than a handful of senators to change the status quo.  Heller and McDonald are now huge barriers (thankfully) to people who want to outlaw guns, and people are more vigilant now because they remember the failed AWB from 1994.

/start the Amendment process instead of trying to chip away at the Constitution via legislative fiat


You and I are arguing two entirely different things.  So I'm going to stop now.
 
2013-02-22 11:40:06 AM  
McCain can't even signal a Touchdown or Field goal!


How am I to take him seriously???
 
2013-02-22 11:45:04 AM  
I dont blame 'em one bit. McCain should have showed a bit more tact. However, right now, this parent is angry and is making rash decisions mostly by emotion. There may be a time when the anger subsides that this parent will return voting for them.

TLDR: never say never in professional wrestling or politics
 
2013-02-22 11:51:41 AM  

cman: McCain should have showed a bit more tact.


That's all I was arguing.

"Senior statesman" indeed.
 
2013-02-22 11:52:31 AM  

GAT_00: Fark It: The NRA is a grassroots user-group

This utter bullshiat propaganda brought to you by a resident NRA shill.


Whoa...  I missed that comment.  It's both hilarious and somewhat sad that anyone could think of the NRA as "grassroots."

Seriously, man.  That's not even propaganda.  That's just a straight-up, bald-faced lie.
 
2013-02-22 11:53:29 AM  
I wonder how much the NRA has given Mcain over the years...
 
2013-02-22 12:16:56 PM  

WhiskeyBender: I wonder how much the NRA has given Mcain over the years...


Per Open Secrets:

$7.5k in 2010, $1.25 in 2008, $1k in 2000, $10k in 1998 and 1992.  So, $30k, but that is only direct money to the Senator for his Senate campaigns from the NRA proper.
 
2013-02-22 12:20:22 PM  
Whatever the NRA has given him, no one is saying his statement was incorrect. It's just bad form to tell grieving mothers to suck it up.
 
2013-02-22 12:24:09 PM  

Fark It: mrshowrules: Valuing the political influence of the NRA (gun manufacturers)

The NRA is a grassroots user-group, whether or not you like to acknowledge it.  The National Shooting Sports Foundation represents gun manufacturers.

I seem to remember another, similar line of thinking not too long ago when it came to tragedy and governance....

"Valuing the political influence of the ACLU (criminals and terrorists) over the lives and safety of Americans makes (insert outspoken opponent of Patriot Act/torture/warrantless wiretapping here) and all the other liberals against any type of anti-terrorism measures despicable."

Diogenes: No. But he completely invalidated her. 'It's not gonna pass anyway, so shut up and sit down.' He dodged. He didn't say whether he agreed with a ban or not. He said it didn't matter. Some "representative."

And thanks for fulfilling my prophecy. Happened earlier than I had expected.

I think it's obvious that he doesn't agree with an AWB, and it doesn't matter as a Senator because an AWB won't leave the House.


Grassroots? Baaaaaaaahahahaha! Just like The Catholic Church.
 
2013-02-22 12:24:17 PM  

GAT_00: WhiskeyBender: I wonder how much the NRA has given Mcain over the years...

Per Open Secrets:

$7.5k in 2010, $1.25 in 2008, $1k in 2000, $10k in 1998 and 1992.  So, $30k, but that is only direct money to the Senator for his Senate campaigns from the NRA proper.


Wow, that is a lower number than I imagined. I'm guessing your key words there would be "proper".
 
2013-02-22 12:38:10 PM  

WhiskeyBender: GAT_00: WhiskeyBender: I wonder how much the NRA has given Mcain over the years...

Per Open Secrets:

$7.5k in 2010, $1.25 in 2008, $1k in 2000, $10k in 1998 and 1992.  So, $30k, but that is only direct money to the Senator for his Senate campaigns from the NRA proper.

Wow, that is a lower number than I imagined. I'm guessing your key words there would be "proper".


Yep, and that doesn't have either of his Presidential runs.  He would have got plenty to those, especially the second, and much more to his PACs.
 
2013-02-22 01:14:48 PM  
"I have voted Republican my whole life," Tom Teves told TPM. "I'll never vote Republican again - ever."

Translation: I voted for republicans when they were a-holes to blacks, the poor, immigrants, gays, scientists, muslims... but now they are doing something mean that affects me and I'm butthurt.

Karma is a biatch (not the having their kid die... they probably didn't deserve that. That was probably a coincidence. But gettting farked over by the GOP... that he earned).
 
2013-02-22 01:18:44 PM  
At Wednesday's town hall, Teves told McCain that her son, Alex, was killed in the massacre, and she urged the senator to support a ban on assault weapons. McCain responded: "I can tell you right now you need some straight talk. That assault weapons ban will not pass the Congress of the United States."

what he said was essentially true - the assault weapons ban won't pass congress.  the gun lobby and the GOP will see to that.  so he gets points for being honest, at least as far as he went.

his method of delivery, on the other hand, left much to be desired.
 
2013-02-22 01:23:07 PM  

Fark It: Jesus Christ, there are a lot of things that are despicable about John McCain, this isn't one of them.  Just because you've been affected by tragedy does not mean your opinion and your feelings are more important than anybody else.  Should McCain have blown smoke up her ass like gun control proponents?  Should Congress govern by emotion?


It wasn't what he said, it was how he said it.  He could have treated her with some level of empathy.  And this isn't governing, it wasn't a vote on the Senate floor, this is talking to another human being.

History shows us that an assault weapons ban is meaningless, that people who want to do this sort of thing will, regardless of what type of guns they have available to them.  McCain, though, was a dick about it.
 
2013-02-22 01:24:16 PM  
I wonder if at som point we're going to have the epiphany thay Sarah Palin was the smart one on that ticket.
 
2013-02-22 01:26:56 PM  

kbronsito: "I have voted Republican my whole life," Tom Teves told TPM. "I'll never vote Republican again - ever."

Translation: I voted for republicans when they were a-holes to blacks, the poor, immigrants, gays, scientists, muslims... but now they are doing something mean that affects me and I'm butthurt.

Karma is a biatch (not the having their kid die... they probably didn't deserve that. That was probably a coincidence. But gettting farked over by the GOP... that he earned).


Eventually, the GOP will be an embarrassing memory, but that won't be for a while. In the near term, people like this getting personally burned and finally realizing what a gang of douches they've been hanging out with is our only hope for good governance. This is to be encouraged.
 
2013-02-22 01:28:31 PM  

SilentStrider: I wonder if at som point we're going to have the epiphany thay Sarah Palin was the smart one on that ticket.


I always got the impression that McCain didn't really want to be president.  like he was there to 'take one for the team', as it were.
 
2013-02-22 01:34:03 PM  

Fark It: The NRA is a grassroots user-group, whether or not you like to acknowledge it.


Are you stupid or a liar?
 
2013-02-22 01:37:42 PM  
Old news:  People vote Republican for logical reasons.  People vote Democrat for emotional reasons.
 
2013-02-22 01:38:13 PM  

thismomentinblackhistory: Fark It: The NRA is a grassroots user-group, whether or not you like to acknowledge it.

Are you stupid or a liar?


Yes.
 
2013-02-22 01:39:33 PM  
These single issue voters are ruining everything.
 
2013-02-22 01:39:48 PM  
Join the club.

/Embarrassed to admit that I voted R in 2000.
//Luckily, not from Florida
///Never again
 
2013-02-22 01:39:52 PM  
I love how Republicans are repulsed by their party the second someone does to them what they've been doing to others their entire life.

Zero compassion, zero empathy, zero consideration for others, it's only an issue when it happens to them.  Your GOP, ladies and gentlemen.
 
2013-02-22 01:40:13 PM  
I think I've reached the point where I would enjoy seeing John McCain make quite an impact

/into a wall
 
2013-02-22 01:43:10 PM  
I don't even understand his tone with the "I'll tell you right now, you need some straight talk." How about talk to her like she's an adult, you bitter old pill. And then all the hillbillies cheering and applauding him. What is wrong with the minds of conservatives these days that they want a stern father to discipline and chastise them and what makes McCain think that's how to speak to citizens?

Republicans are SM bottoms, the whole lot of them. And the ones who have to, by default, be tops, resent it. That's my theory.
 
2013-02-22 01:43:25 PM  

potterydove: Old news:  People vote Republican for logical reasons.  People vote Democrat for emotional reasons.


Perhaps. But it seems pretty illogical to ban people from marrying one another because "gross". It's also illogical to attack a country because of "my daddy". It also seems largely illogical to use the word "socialism" without understanding what it means. It also is illogical to advocate for tax cuts while complaining about the decifit. It also is illogical...do I need to continue?

Yeah, you are pretty much wrong.
 
2013-02-22 01:44:24 PM  
Wow, McCain's a dick? Who knew?

And Ma'am, I'm sorry about your loss but if you've been voting Republican all your life then you got exactly what you voted for, so quit your biatching.
 
2013-02-22 01:46:01 PM  

Fark It: The NRA is a grassroots user-group, whether or not you like to acknowledge it


Odd since 74% of NRA members support Universal Background Checks and more regulations.. .yet the NRA doesn't. Now why would that ever be... maybe due to the great profits gun manufacturers (who support the NRA by donations) are making since guns like the AR-15 became legal again?
 
2013-02-22 01:46:41 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-22 01:46:58 PM  
Q: "Why do they not support it?"

A: "Because a majority of them do not support it"

Wow you can't argue with circular logic that it.
 
2013-02-22 01:47:55 PM  
And yet you still hear idiots crying "I would have voted for John McCain circa 2000!  He was a maverick!"

The man is slime and now he's jut grumpy old slime.  Disgusting grumpy old slime.
 
2013-02-22 01:47:55 PM  
So the Republican party has been shiatting down America's neck for years, and it takes them personally shiatting down your neck to finally have you change your mind?
 
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