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(Washington Post)   Why do Republicans keep losing? "At the national level, Republicans have a winning message for a nation that no longer exists"   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 231
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2013-02-22 08:10:18 AM  
Thanks for the quote, Ian Faith.
 
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2013-02-22 08:25:20 AM  
But enough about the Ottoman Empire. When will they start suggesting positive ideas for America?
 
2013-02-22 08:30:19 AM  
That NEVER existed, you mean.
 
2013-02-22 08:47:21 AM  

SilentStrider: That NEVER existed, you mean.


the modern republican party is the new john birch society. the tea party cancer has devoured it almost entirely. it will not regain national status until that cancer is cut away.
 
2013-02-22 08:47:51 AM  
Republicans, come with me...

Look, you guys had it good back in the day. You were for equal rights, you championed labor rights and fought for freedoms for all Americans to be upheld. Then you lost your shiat. Now some may say that came about when the Civil Rights Act brought the Dixiecrats running to the Republican party, or when Nixon perfected the Southern Strategy, making racism cool again, but I gotta tell ya. you've done screwed up.

There are somethings you can champion and be an equally qualified voice to counter the Democratic platform. You can be the party of small-government, you can be the party of flat taxes and streamlined tax code, you can be the party of oil and coal. That's fine, we can accept that without outright hating you. The problem you face is that you've let the racists, the bigots, the shills and those guys that just hint at racial inequality towards whites to run the show. That's where we lose you. That's where you cross the line from the party of "small government, less regulation, free market" to the party of "racists, bigots, zealots and ideologues who, oh yeah, lip service to small-government"

You want our votes? You want to get back into a party that can run shiat? Then stop with the social conservatism. You've lost that battle long ago, because as time goes on, you may win a few battles but you're losing the war. I realize this is the traditional Southern Strategy but still, you're losing it. Break the Tea Party off, or break yourselves off and reform the Republican party, but give the TP the use of the old party to rape and pillage.

Some of us want a smaller, non-intrusive government party but can't bring themselves to vote for you because everything else you stand for is such bigoted crap. Yes, we get it, you have some hispanics and some gays in your party, but you either bar them or you showcase them just to say "hey, look. We're cool! We have non-whites here!" and then you hide them away and tell them to shut up when you don't need them.

There are many easy things you can do, but none of you have the balls to stand up and do it. So kick Rove to the side, toss the Tea Party out and reform the social conservative platform to a moderate-liberal social platform. You'll get the debate back into what it should be, what kind of government do we need/want and not "why are blacks so lazy? And how come gays don't just stay in the closet?" party.

The balls are in your court, lets hope you can grab them
 
2013-02-22 08:56:43 AM  
Yeah, but on a local level they can get enough seats in the House to screw over everyone who doesn't happen to live in a Republican district.
 
2013-02-22 08:57:11 AM  
The explanation is not purely technical or personality oriented. At the national level, Republicans have a winning message for a nation that no longer exists.

problem is, the modern GOP is in some seriously bad head space right now.  they have to admit they HAVE a problem before they can start to fix it...and in the Republican party of today, the prevailing belief is that the Republicans are right and everyone else is wrong.  THEY did nothing wrong, their ideas are perfect and good.  everyone else isn't voting for them because they're 'low information' voters and stupid, or they're evil libruls who just want to destroy the country.  at no point does anyone in the Republican party EVER say they lost because of GOP ideas being rejected by a country that's decided to go a different route.

we can talk about why the GOP ideology is off track, what it should be and how to get there..but until the GOP leadership admits that they've got a problem, it's all going to be just talk.
 
2013-02-22 08:58:50 AM  
Why do Republicans keep losing?

Because they are idiots and stupidity is looked at as a virtue? ex. Palin
 
2013-02-22 08:59:41 AM  

Rev. Skarekroe: Yeah, but on a local level they can get enough seats in the House to screw over everyone who doesn't happen to live in a Republican district.


only if we all give up. It'll be tough as hell but we can pull off winning against a hardliner in a gerrymandered district.

2 things about politics: Never underestimate the voter's ability to have a sense of humanity and never say we can't do shiat because one party tried to rig the system
 
2013-02-22 09:00:38 AM  

SilentStrider: That NEVER existed, you mean.


I'm fairly sure the Confederate States of America did really exist.
 
2013-02-22 09:02:39 AM  

NateGrey: Why do Republicans keep losing?

Because they are idiots and stupidity is looked at as a virtue? ex. Palin


it's a bit more involved than that.  also - I don't think the GOP is 'stupid'.  within certain narrowly defined limits, they're actually quite intelligent.  think of it more like a mental disease.  they know what they have to do to change but they can't do it, they can't make that leap because of their inherent mental dysfunction.
 
2013-02-22 09:03:10 AM  
I've read about a dude like that. He didn't come 72nd because he sucks, the event was just badly run. He didn't lose the game, his dice turned. His strategy was perfect; it was the terrain that was a problem!

Seriously though, a political party is an organization whereby people sharing a particular set of values compromise on others to push the priorities, not an entity that exists purely for the sake of its own existence.
 
2013-02-22 09:06:37 AM  
Nurglitch:
Seriously though, a political party is an organization whereby people sharing a particular set of values compromise on others to push the priorities, not an entity that exists purely for the sake of its own existence.

other than 'tax cuts for the rich' and giving corporations anything they ask, I can't tell what the GOP stands for anymore.  Romney is a good example - part of running for President is that you clearly define what it is you stand for, and what you will lead your party to accomplish.  And did Romney ever define his ideology?  of course not...he changed his story every time he gave a speech.
 
2013-02-22 09:06:45 AM  
As much as I hate to say it, Rand Paul is the only one on point with this.
 
2013-02-22 09:06:54 AM  
The problem is obvious.  The Republicans created an economic paradigm where they can keep taxes low and spending high by borrowing.  Now they can no longer continue this plan, and are forced to sacrifice on of their two selling points (low taxes/high spending).  If they raise taxes and keep spending high, they just become Democrats.  If the keep low taxes and spending low, they become unpopular libertarians.

They've lost their selling point, and don't know where to go from here.
 
2013-02-22 09:07:52 AM  

NateGrey: Why do Republicans keep losing?

Because they are idiots and stupidity is looked at as a virtue? ex. Palin


I think that's true among their base. I've come to believe that those at the top are consciously just milking the ignorance of mean, stupid people for prestige and big bucks. (Limbaugh, for example, makes something like 70 million a year.) They don't care that much about actually running things.
 
2013-02-22 09:08:03 AM  
Republicans have a winning message for a nation that no longer exists.

1) It was never a 'winning' message.
2) That nation never existed outside the glass screen of 1950's B&W sitcoms.
 
2013-02-22 09:09:35 AM  

MattStafford: The problem is obvious.  The Republicans created an economic paradigm where they can keep taxes low and spending high by borrowing.  Now they can no longer continue this plan, and are forced to sacrifice on of their two selling points (low taxes/high spending).  If they raise taxes and keep spending high, they just become Democrats.  If the keep low taxes and spending low, they become unpopular libertarians.

They've lost their selling point, and don't know where to go from here.


You and I may not agree on the government spending issue, but I must say I agree with you on this.

They also have terrible social policy too
 
2013-02-22 09:09:50 AM  

SilentStrider: That NEVER existed, you mean.


Well - for a long time only White male landowners could vote...
 
2013-02-22 09:11:35 AM  
most of the reasons they can win on the state level is because of gerrymandering
 
2013-02-22 09:13:16 AM  
And half the country will continue to vote for them, even if they're unhappy with the GOP leadership, because they don't want to think of themselves as the kind of people who would vote for a Democrat.
 
2013-02-22 09:15:48 AM  

kkinnison: most of the reasons they can win on the state level is because of gerrymandering


Yeah buddy. I dunno how that is going to go away, at least here in the South.
 
2013-02-22 09:16:13 AM  

kkinnison: most of the reasons they can win on the state level is because of gerrymandering


that only works for so long tho...as the boomer die off and racial/economic shifts cause changes in political 'safe' areas gerrymandering could actually become a disadvantage rather than advantage.  unlikely, I grant you...but possible.
 
2013-02-22 09:17:11 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: As much as I hate to say it, Rand Paul is the only one on point with this.


That sharp Kentuckian Rand Paul has the solution, which can be seen when he was asked recently about an anti-abortion bill he co-sponsored with Marco "Agua Buddha" Rubio; when asked about why he supported it but voted against the Violence Against Women Act, "Doctor" Paul said he was "not familiar with the details" of a bill he sponsored. Twice.
 
2013-02-22 09:17:14 AM  
The first thing the Republicans need to do is learn to say "no comment" when asked any question, in any context, that includes the word "rape".
 
2013-02-22 09:17:56 AM  

kkinnison: most of the reasons they can win on the state level is because of gerrymandering


In the House, this is absolutely true.
 
2013-02-22 09:18:01 AM  

somedude210: They also have terrible social policy too


To a certain extent, that is where they have to go.  If they can no longer borrow and spend, they have to go to their other old standby: religion and social conservatism.  Unfortunately for them, those are no longer winning ideals for the nation.  They are really lost.
 
2013-02-22 09:18:12 AM  
Was that country Rapesylvania? Beatthedarkiestan? Farkthepoorland?
 
2013-02-22 09:18:48 AM  

EyeballKid: HotWingConspiracy: As much as I hate to say it, Rand Paul is the only one on point with this.

That sharp Kentuckian Rand Paul has the solution, which can be seen when he was asked recently about an anti-abortion bill he co-sponsored with Marco "Agua Buddha" Rubio; when asked about why he supported it but voted against the Violence Against Women Act, "Doctor" Paul said he was "not familiar with the details" of a bill he sponsored. Twice.


I'm not saying the guy isn't 10 lbs of derp in a 5 lb bag, but he's poking holes in some of the party's standards. Rhetorically at least.
 
2013-02-22 09:18:57 AM  

MattStafford: The problem is obvious.  The Republicans created an economic paradigm where they can keep taxes low and spending high by borrowing.  Now they can no longer continue this plan, and are forced to sacrifice on of their two selling points (low taxes/high spending).  If they raise taxes and keep spending high, they just become Democrats.  If the keep low taxes and spending low, they become unpopular libertarians.

They've lost their selling point, and don't know where to go from here.


I wish that was their only problem, but they have a whole slew of social issues they need to drop before I'll vote for them again.
 
2013-02-22 09:19:49 AM  
Beautiful.  It's the Republican Swanson swan song:

"I am big; it's the pictures that got small."
 
2013-02-22 09:19:54 AM  

Weaver95: kkinnison: most of the reasons they can win on the state level is because of gerrymandering

that only works for so long tho...as the boomer die off and racial/economic shifts cause changes in political 'safe' areas gerrymandering could actually become a disadvantage rather than advantage.  unlikely, I grant you...but possible.


Also, 2020 is a presidential year. They had a very strong 2010 wih it being an off-year election and a push back against a democratic wave in 2008. That's unlikely to be the case in 2020, so their control of state houses is likely to fall short in the next redistricting period.

They have a structural advantage in the house for 10 years though.
 
2013-02-22 09:22:35 AM  
Deneb81:
They have a structural advantage in the house for 10 years though.

I concur.  however, at the rate they're losing elections, that grace period might not do them much good.
 
2013-02-22 09:25:30 AM  
Tisk Tisk.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zI5hrcwU7Dk

that is all.

/don't give a fark whose side you are on
//no matter how scary or mindless you'd like your mob collective to be or act, in societies eyes.
 
2013-02-22 09:25:55 AM  

Weaver95: Deneb81:
They have a structural advantage in the house for 10 years though.

I concur.  however, at the rate they're losing elections, that grace period might not do them much good.


The warring factions in the party will spend themselves poor fighting each other, leaving particular races ripe for Democratic picking.  We've seen it happen.  And the current Rove stuff makes me think it will happen with greater frequency.
 
2013-02-22 09:29:03 AM  

Diogenes: Weaver95: Deneb81:
They have a structural advantage in the house for 10 years though.

I concur.  however, at the rate they're losing elections, that grace period might not do them much good.

The warring factions in the party will spend themselves poor fighting each other, leaving particular races ripe for Democratic picking.  We've seen it happen.  And the current Rove stuff makes me think it will happen with greater frequency.


Personally, I love it when the tea party picks off a powerful incumbent Republican in a primary race.  that actually opens up a 'safe seat' to the Democrats...who would never have had a shot against a GOP incumbent in a safe district.  even if the tea bagger wins, all they've done is replace a ranking/senior member of congress with a low ranking, inexperienced 'bagger who doesn't have the resources to fend off the democrats in the next election cycle.

that just never gets old.
 
2013-02-22 09:29:20 AM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: And half the country will continue to vote for them, even if they're unhappy with the GOP leadership, because they don't want to think of themselves as the kind of people who would vote for a Democrat.


Sadly this. They would rather be completely self destructive than be known as voting democratic.
 
2013-02-22 09:29:48 AM  
I've said this before, and I'll restate it again... The problem is the GOP is wrong.  Fundamentally wrong on a staggering number of issues.  It's like they have looked at all of the possible stances to take on the major issues facing our country and purposefully picked the incorrect approach 95% of the time.  Uncanny, really.

Social issues.  They are wrong on gay marriage.  Wrong on the war on drugs.  Wrong on equal pay initiatives.  Wrong in immigration reform.  Wrong on reasonable gun reform and safety legislation.

Economics.  Wrong on tax reform.  Wrong on spending cuts (namely where they need to come from).  Wrong on privatization of may public projects from roads to Social Security.  Wrong on corporate welfare / tax breaks for wildly profitable companies.

Education.  Wrong on public school funding.  Wrong on teaching creationism outside of Sunday school.  Wrong on global warming education.  Wrong on nutritional education and information for the public.

International diplomacy:  Wrong on wanting war with Iran.  Wrong for blindly supporting Israel regardless of their actions.  Wrong for a general feeling of American superiority on all issues.  Wrong for constant denigration of Europe and its "socialistic" ways.

Women's Health:  Wrong on abortion.  Wrong on contraception.  Wrong on funding for women's health services.

It just goes on and on.  At this point, I do not understand how any sane person could support the GOP.  Yet I sadly am aware they are one charismatic leader away from being back in the driver's seat.  Don't get me wrong, the Democrats certainly aren't right on many of the issues either (especially the war on drugs and spending cuts), but they at least are less insane overall.
 
2013-02-22 09:30:35 AM  
If you dont stop arming yourself for the last war, you are never prepared for the next war.
 
2013-02-22 09:33:24 AM  

alywa: I've said this before, and I'll restate it again... The problem is the GOP is wrong.  Fundamentally wrong on a staggering number of issues.  It's like they have looked at all of the possible stances to take on the major issues facing our country and purposefully picked the incorrect approach 95% of the time.  Uncanny, really.

Social issues.  They are wrong on gay marriage.  Wrong on the war on drugs.  Wrong on equal pay initiatives.  Wrong in immigration reform.  Wrong on reasonable gun reform and safety legislation.

Economics.  Wrong on tax reform.  Wrong on spending cuts (namely where they need to come from).  Wrong on privatization of may public projects from roads to Social Security.  Wrong on corporate welfare / tax breaks for wildly profitable companies.

Education.  Wrong on public school funding.  Wrong on teaching creationism outside of Sunday school.  Wrong on global warming education.  Wrong on nutritional education and information for the public.

International diplomacy:  Wrong on wanting war with Iran.  Wrong for blindly supporting Israel regardless of their actions.  Wrong for a general feeling of American superiority on all issues.  Wrong for constant denigration of Europe and its "socialistic" ways.

Women's Health:  Wrong on abortion.  Wrong on contraception.  Wrong on funding for women's health services.

It just goes on and on.  At this point, I do not understand how any sane person could support the GOP.  Yet I sadly am aware they are one charismatic leader away from being back in the driver's seat.  Don't get me wrong, the Democrats certainly aren't right on many of the issues either (especially the war on drugs and spending cuts), but they at least are less insane overall.


You've become a victim of you own success.  I can't read you when you make sane posts anymore :-(

/well said
//miss the sparkles
 
2013-02-22 09:33:43 AM  
.....and they'll keep pretending that nation exists, even if they become further and further marginalized because of their behavior/attitudes.  Kind of like the "It's still real to me, damn it" guy that we all make fun of.
 
2013-02-22 09:34:06 AM  

alywa: I've said this before, and I'll restate it again... The problem is the GOP is wrong.  Fundamentally wrong on a staggering number of issues.  It's like they have looked at all of the possible stances to take on the major issues facing our country and purposefully picked the incorrect approach 95% of the time.  Uncanny, really.

Social issues.  They are wrong on gay marriage.  Wrong on the war on drugs.  Wrong on equal pay initiatives.  Wrong in immigration reform.  Wrong on reasonable gun reform and safety legislation.

Economics.  Wrong on tax reform.  Wrong on spending cuts (namely where they need to come from).  Wrong on privatization of may public projects from roads to Social Security.  Wrong on corporate welfare / tax breaks for wildly profitable companies.

Education.  Wrong on public school funding.  Wrong on teaching creationism outside of Sunday school.  Wrong on global warming education.  Wrong on nutritional education and information for the public.

International diplomacy:  Wrong on wanting war with Iran.  Wrong for blindly supporting Israel regardless of their actions.  Wrong for a general feeling of American superiority on all issues.  Wrong for constant denigration of Europe and its "socialistic" ways.

Women's Health:  Wrong on abortion.  Wrong on contraception.  Wrong on funding for women's health services.

It just goes on and on.  At this point, I do not understand how any sane person could support the GOP.  Yet I sadly am aware they are one charismatic leader away from being back in the driver's seat.  Don't get me wrong, the Democrats certainly aren't right on many of the issues either (especially the war on drugs and spending cuts), but they at least are less insane overall.



Great post.  Well said.
 
2013-02-22 09:34:20 AM  

alywa: Yet I sadly am aware they are one charismatic leader away from being back in the driver's seat.


Pretty terrifying, actually. It doesn't even have to be a charismatic leader, either, just an off-year for the Democrats.
 
2013-02-22 09:35:01 AM  

Weaver95: Personally, I love it when the tea party picks off a powerful incumbent Republican in a primary race.  that actually opens up a 'safe seat' to the Democrats...who would never have had a shot against a GOP incumbent in a safe district.  even if the tea bagger wins, all they've done is replace a ranking/senior member of congress with a low ranking, inexperienced 'bagger who doesn't have the resources to fend off the democrats in the next election cycle.

that just never gets old.


High strategy is not exactly their strong suit, you know.
 
2013-02-22 09:37:20 AM  

alywa: At this point, I do not understand how any sane person could support the GOP.


It helps to have a complicit media more concerned with the appearance of fairness than with actual reporting. Therefore no matter how ridiculous and unprecedented the GOP's behavior is, they're painted as equally as bad as the left.
It's easy to see how someone who doesn't tune into politics a lot could very quickly and easily come away thinking 'yep both sides are equally bad, neither care about me, and this is why I hate politics' and immediately check out of the process.
 
2013-02-22 09:45:32 AM  

alywa: I've said this before, and I'll restate it again... The problem is the GOP is wrong.  Fundamentally wrong on a staggering number of issues.  It's like they have looked at all of the possible stances to take on the major issues facing our country and purposefully picked the incorrect approach 95% of the time.  Uncanny, really.

Social issues.  They are wrong on gay marriage.  Wrong on the war on drugs.  Wrong on equal pay initiatives.  Wrong in immigration reform.  Wrong on reasonable gun reform and safety legislation.

Economics.  Wrong on tax reform.  Wrong on spending cuts (namely where they need to come from).  Wrong on privatization of may public projects from roads to Social Security.  Wrong on corporate welfare / tax breaks for wildly profitable companies.

Education.  Wrong on public school funding.  Wrong on teaching creationism outside of Sunday school.  Wrong on global warming education.  Wrong on nutritional education and information for the public.

International diplomacy:  Wrong on wanting war with Iran.  Wrong for blindly supporting Israel regardless of their actions.  Wrong for a general feeling of American superiority on all issues.  Wrong for constant denigration of Europe and its "socialistic" ways.

Women's Health:  Wrong on abortion.  Wrong on contraception.  Wrong on funding for women's health services.

It just goes on and on.  At this point, I do not understand how any sane person could support the GOP.  Yet I sadly am aware they are one charismatic leader away from being back in the driver's seat.  Don't get me wrong, the Democrats certainly aren't right on many of the issues either (especially the war on drugs and spending cuts), but they at least are less insane overall.


"NO YOU!"- What Republicans actually believe
 
2013-02-22 09:50:10 AM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: It helps to have a complicit media more concerned with the appearance of fairness than with actual reporting.


Yup.  And similarly, we have a rash of false equivalencies in politics at large now...a side effect of the media trying too hard to be "fair".

In sum, it's all Fox News' fault.

I kid with that last part, but it does have a kernel of truth...Fox News' unabashed conservative bias has prompted other media outlets to overcorrect.
 
2013-02-22 09:51:23 AM  

NateGrey: Why do Republicans keep losing?

Because they are idiots and stupidity is looked at as a virtue? ex. Palin


IMO it's the republican voters who are stupid. The GOP is the party for the wealthy, and they need voters dumb enough to vote against their interests. Thus the bible-thumpers and teabaggers.

Apparently, the GOP didn't expect their voters to elect candidates from their own ranks. Thus Bachmann, Palin, Santorum, and so on.
 
2013-02-22 09:57:28 AM  

Trivia Jockey: In sum, it's all Fox News' fault.


Not all. This morning's column by David Brooks at the NY Times (which I'm told is super liberal) is a perfect example. He claims Obama has no sequester plan despite the plan being available and Obama talking about it for weeks. Because both sides must be equally bad. Otherwise known as BipartisanThink.
 
2013-02-22 10:01:42 AM  
Yeah, fark that noise... Never existed anywhere but their farked up little minds.

There is absolutely nothing redeemable about Republicans and their regressive, mean-spirited policies and beliefs.

I'll never vote for any candidate with any sort of ties to the GOP again. It makes them damaged goods in my eyes and they don't deserve my vote... What's funny is the number of "independent" candidates that have popped up in recent cycles around here. They talk a good game, but when you scratch the surface even a little bit, you find nothing but the same old GOP nonsense without the band name.
 
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