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(Talking Points Memo)   The sequester: what *exactly* will it do? Chaos in the streets and fire in the skies? Or are we looking at more "oh this isn't sooo bad"?   (tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 252
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2013-02-22 08:28:14 AM  
It'll result in human sacrifices, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!
 
2013-02-22 08:35:55 AM  
There shall in that time be rumors of things going astray, erm, and there shall be a great confusion as to where things really are, and nobody will really know where lieth those little things with the sort of raffia-work base, that has an attachment. At that time, a friend shall lose his friend's hammer, and the young shall not know where lieth the things possessed by their fathers that their fathers put there only just the night before, about eight o'clock.
 
2013-02-22 08:41:12 AM  
It's going to be Y2K all over again!!
 
2013-02-22 08:43:21 AM  
The Obamaquester will fart on the tongue of America.
 
2013-02-22 09:02:02 AM  
I think we have more important issues to worry about right now. Why did the Benghazi scandal happen just when Michelle Obama got bangs.

What did her hairstylist know, and when did they know it? I'm just asking questions.
 
2013-02-22 09:07:40 AM  
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2013-02-22 09:11:03 AM  
I work for a government contractor, so for me it's like....
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2013-02-22 09:23:56 AM  
I'm under the impression that it's really gonna fark over the NSF's grant granting process, which will screw up a lot of research...
 
2013-02-22 09:25:04 AM  
Here are just a few. Note that these are full year cuts, except where otherwise noted; the actual cuts will be about 5/6 the size, due to the delay:

Aircraft purchases by the Air Force and Navy are cut by $4.2 billion.
Military operations across the services are cut by about $16 billion.
Military research is cut by $7.5 billion.
The National Institutes of Health get cut by $2.5 billion.
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention are cut by about $500 million.
Border security is cut by about $900 million.
Immigration enforcement is cut by about $500 million.
Airport security is cut by about $500 million.
Head Start gets cut by $406 million, kicking 70,000 kids out of the program (note: post-delay estimate).
FEMA's disaster relief budget is cut by $580 million.
Public housing support is cut by about $3 billion.
The FDA is cut by $319 million.
NASA gets cut by $1.5 billion.
Special education is cut by $1.3 billion.
The Energy Department's program for securing our nukes is cut by $1 billion.
The National Science Foundation gets cut by about $600 million.
The FBI gets cut by $742 million.
The federal prison system gets cut by $549 million.
State Department diplomatic functions are cut by $1 billion.
Global health programs are cut by $670 million; the Millenium Challenge Corp. sees a $71 million cut, and USAID a cut of about $450 million.
The Nuclear Regulatory Commission is cut by $85 million.
The SEC is cut by $117 million.
The United States Holocaust Memorial Museum is cut by $4 million.
The Library of Congress is cut by $48 million.
The Patent and Trademark office is cut by $242 million.

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2013-02-22 09:26:59 AM  
It will result in slowed economic growth which is what the GOP wants for the 2014 election cycle.
 
2013-02-22 09:27:10 AM  
Many government workers will lose their jobs.  The companies they frequent, whether it be for services of buying goods, will suffer a drop in business.  It ripples throughout the economy.  Less taxable income as well, resulting in more cuts being needed.  Vicious cycle, and all that jazz.
 
2013-02-22 09:27:27 AM  
I don't know exactly what it will do, but what it HAS done is intensely funny.

It has taken the Republicans from being the party that wants to cut government spending to the bone to being the party that biatches and moans about a bill that they say will do just that.
 
2013-02-22 09:28:34 AM  

bmongar: It will result in slowed economic growth which is what the GOP wants for the 2014 election cycle.


They get a win either way.  shiatty growth.  Blame Obama.  Robust Growth.  Say spending cuts and avoiding increased taxes worked.
 
2013-02-22 09:30:11 AM  
All joking aside, I think that in the short run, the sequester will be bad. Not a disaster, but bad.

in the long run though, it will be a good thing for us to learn how to spend less. Its sad that this is the only way for us to cut spending. But so be it.
 
2013-02-22 09:30:54 AM  

Karac: I don't know exactly what it will do, but what it HAS done is intensely funny.

It has taken the Republicans from being the party that wants to cut government spending to the bone to being the party that biatches and moans about a bill that they say will do just that.


Just as many of us predicted when it was put in place.
 
2013-02-22 09:32:17 AM  

Karac: I don't know exactly what it will do, but what it HAS done is intensely funny.

It has taken the Republicans from being the party that wants to cut government spending to the bone to being the party that biatches and moans about a bill that they say will do just that.


It is unfair to expect them to take a position on something without knowing in advance how popular/unpopular it will be.
 
2013-02-22 09:33:00 AM  
I've read on another forum border patrol agents talking about this.  They're going to get bent over a barrel.  It's 2% of the entire budget, but the cuts aren't proportional.  Some groups are going to get hammered.
 
2013-02-22 09:34:14 AM  

MattStafford: Many government workers will lose their jobs.  The companies they frequent, whether it be for services of buying goods, will suffer a drop in business.  It ripples throughout the economy.  Less taxable income as well, resulting in more cuts being needed.  Vicious cycle, and all that jazz.


Government workers won't actually lose their jobs, they'll be furloughed for 22 days. The furlough will be staggered though, so they won't be out of work for 22 days straight but one day a week for 22 weeks. Still, they won't get paid for those 22 days so it will ripple through the economy as they reduce their spending.
 
2013-02-22 09:35:09 AM  

Felgraf: I'm under the impression that it's really gonna fark over the NSF's grant granting process, which will screw up a lot of research...


Related:
Former NIH director: The sequester will set back medical science for a generation
This type of funding cut was once better known as "eating your seed corn."
 
2013-02-22 09:35:49 AM  
This will result in a reduction in necessary services. Hundreds of thousands (millions?) of government employees will be furloughed one day a week, effectively a 20% pay cut.

For some people this will cut into basic life functions, and they will struggle to pay for mortgages, car payments, etc.

For everyone this will reduce "going out money".  That means local businesses suffer, this will slow down the economy.  This means less tax income for the government from individuals and businesses.  This means THE WHOLE THING WAS FOR NOTHING YOU ASSHOLES.

This is the most avoidable national disaster we've ever faced as a country.  There is literally no downside to continued deficit spending.  Everyone wins.

No one wins with a sequester.
 
2013-02-22 09:37:23 AM  

PanicMan: This is the most avoidable national disaster we've ever faced as a country.


QFT
 
2013-02-22 09:37:28 AM  
GOP:  Obama's sequester is going to result in massive job losses!  He has to be stopped!
Electorate:  Hasn't the GOP been fighting for significant spending cuts for decades?
GOP:  ...but Socialism!!
 
2013-02-22 09:39:24 AM  
 
2013-02-22 09:39:39 AM  
A lot of Fark posters will have to trash Republicans on their own time.
 
2013-02-22 09:39:45 AM  
I think it's telling that if we actually produced a budget that would start to pay down the debt the economy would collapse, people would starve, and there'd be riots in the streets.  I think the die is cast on this country and we rolled snake eyes.
 
2013-02-22 09:40:13 AM  
Government spending is out of control.  We refuse to raise revenue, so we have to cut spending.  CUT CUT CUT!  We gotta stick it to them greedy government workers!

Oh, they are my neighbor Joe out on the street?  I thought cutting spending only affected them OTHER (whisper darker) people.
 
2013-02-22 09:40:42 AM  
Well, we could stop giving foreign aid to people who hate us.  That would save quite a bit of money.
 
2013-02-22 09:41:39 AM  

PanicMan: There is literally no downside to continued deficit spending. Everyone wins.


Hmmm.
 
2013-02-22 09:41:56 AM  

BillCo: Well, we could stop giving foreign aid to people who hate us.  That would save quite a bit of money.


Compared to the entire budge, that's a drop in the bucket.  Think about that for a second.
 
2013-02-22 09:42:08 AM  

BillCo: That would save quite a bit of money.


How much?
 
2013-02-22 09:43:35 AM  

Fail in Human Form: I think it's telling that if we actually produced a budget that would start to pay down the debt the economy would collapse, people would starve, and there'd be riots in the streets. I think the die is cast on this country and we rolled snake eyes.


Exactly.  When there is this much hand wringing over these potential cuts, what are we going to do when our bond yields rise to historical levels?  We'll be forced to cut in a way that will make this look like a joke.  We're putting the entire future of this country on the line, and hoping that bond yields don't rise at all.  A bit dangerous, if you ask me.
 
2013-02-22 09:43:40 AM  

BillCo: Well, we could stop giving foreign aid to people who hate us.  That would save quite a bit of money.


Define "quite a bit".  As a percentage of the budget, if you will.
 
2013-02-22 09:43:45 AM  

BillCo: Well, we could stop giving foreign aid to people who hate us.  That would save quite a bit of money.


Dont forget defund NPR and PBS. Hundreds of billions saved!
 
2013-02-22 09:44:07 AM  
 
2013-02-22 09:44:10 AM  

Sybarite: There shall in that time be rumors of things going astray, erm, and there shall be a great confusion as to where things really are, and nobody will really know where lieth those little things with the sort of raffia-work base, that has an attachment. At that time, a friend shall lose his friend's hammer, and the young shall not know where lieth the things possessed by their fathers that their fathers put there only just the night before, about eight o'clock.


For the demon shall bear a nine-bladed sword. Nine-bladed! Not two or five or seven, but nine, which he will wield on all wretched sinners, sinners just like you, sir, there, and the horns shall be on the head, with which he will...
 
2013-02-22 09:44:33 AM  
Its another manufactured crisis Republicans will get to blame on Obama, and Obama will have to attempt to fix. Leading presumably to more Republican wins in 2014 as someone pointed out.

And lots of people will pointlessly get screwed in the process. Another Republican mainstay go-to signature move.
 
2013-02-22 09:45:04 AM  

Fail in Human Form: BillCo: Well, we could stop giving foreign aid to people who hate us.  That would save quite a bit of money.

Compared to the entire budge, that's a drop in the bucket.  Think about that for a second.


So, you're in favor of giving money to people who hate us?
 
2013-02-22 09:45:06 AM  
Short answer - No one knows.

Long answer - No one knows and everyone is too afraid to find out
 
2013-02-22 09:46:46 AM  
NIH budget cut will be devastating.  We face possibly losing one of our last productive industries that we have in the US.  If we lose it, stick a fork in the US...we're done.
 
2013-02-22 09:47:06 AM  

MattStafford: Fail in Human Form: I think it's telling that if we actually produced a budget that would start to pay down the debt the economy would collapse, people would starve, and there'd be riots in the streets. I think the die is cast on this country and we rolled snake eyes.

Exactly.  When there is this much hand wringing over these potential cuts, what are we going to do when our bond yields rise to historical levels?  We'll be forced to cut in a way that will make this look like a joke.  We're putting the entire future of this country on the line, and hoping that bond yields don't rise at all.  A bit dangerous, if you ask me.


i45.tinypic.com

"It's all going according to plan, serf"
 
2013-02-22 09:47:12 AM  
We have until this fall to fully comply with the legislation.  In that time we are going to create a budget... or at least a continuing resoluting... Why is this an OMFGWAGTD cats and dogs, we can solve this over time and are not beholden to the nearterm timelimit....  Oh right the left want to scare people into higher taxes and the right want to scare people into cuts to services.
 
2013-02-22 09:47:57 AM  

BillCo: Fail in Human Form: BillCo: Well, we could stop giving foreign aid to people who hate us.  That would save quite a bit of money.

Compared to the entire budge, that's a drop in the bucket.  Think about that for a second.

So, you're in favor of giving money to people who hate us?


Nope, just saying that it's so little money in comparison to the rest of the budget that it isn't worth mentioning.
 
2013-02-22 09:48:16 AM  

Sybarite: There shall in that time be rumors of things going astray, erm, and there shall be a great confusion as to where things really are, and nobody will really know where lieth those little things with the sort of raffia-work base, that has an attachment. At that time, a friend shall lose his friend's hammer, and the young shall not know where lieth the things possessed by their fathers that their fathers put there only just the night before, about eight o'clock.


Consider the lily.
 
2013-02-22 09:49:12 AM  

Fail in Human Form: I've read on another forum border patrol agents talking about this.  They're going to get bent over a barrel.  It's 2% of the entire budget, but the cuts aren't proportional.  Some groups are going to get hammered.


40% pay cut I hear.

Just wait to see how 'secure' the southern border is with all the agents working three shifts of 8 hours.

But don't worry, the drones will stay untouched because those are important handouts to connected people.
 
2013-02-22 09:49:24 AM  

BillCo: Quite a bit actually.


Hey - look who tops the list of places we send money: Afghanistan, Israel, Iraq, and Pakistan.
Bill, why are you an anti-Semite who wants the terrorists to take back all the ground we spent 10 years chasing them out of?
 
2013-02-22 09:50:43 AM  

PanicMan: This is the most avoidable national disaster we've ever faced as a country.  There is literally no downside to continued deficit spending.  Everyone wins.


This should headline every newspaper and website until unemployment is below 6%.
 
2013-02-22 09:50:57 AM  
Ya know, if the Pubs would actually act like a party that is interested in cutting spending, then we wouldn't have this problem. They yell for years about how "the government doesn't create jobs" and how they are "The Party of Small Government", yadda, yadda, yadda. Now, they are realizing that jobs will be lost because of this set of cuts, thus contradicting their first statement. Now all of a sudden they don't want cuts, thus contradicting their second statement. I don't know how they can even stand up with the claxon of cognitive dissonance going on inside of their heads.

They need to stop stuffing pork into bills that looks good for their home-crowd and actually try to run the government in a way that is in the best interest of the country, instead of a few constituents back home.
 
2013-02-22 09:51:21 AM  

Karac: BillCo: Quite a bit actually.

Hey - look who tops the list of places we send money: Afghanistan, Israel, Iraq, and Pakistan.
Bill, why are you an anti-Semite who wants the terrorists to take back all the ground we spent 10 years chasing them out of?


I'm not opposed to killing them.  I just don't want to give them money.
 
2013-02-22 09:51:21 AM  

Generation_D: Its another manufactured crisis Republicans will get to blame on Obama, and Obama will have to attempt to fix. Leading presumably to more Republican wins in 2014 as someone pointed out.

And lots of people will pointlessly get screwed in the process. Another Republican mainstay go-to signature move.


Nothing changes in 2014 regardless.
 
2013-02-22 09:52:47 AM  

BillCo: Karac: BillCo: Quite a bit actually.

Hey - look who tops the list of places we send money: Afghanistan, Israel, Iraq, and Pakistan.
Bill, why are you an anti-Semite who wants the terrorists to take back all the ground we spent 10 years chasing them out of?

I'm not opposed to killing them.  I just don't want to give them money.


You heard it here folks: BillCo is perfectly fine with killing Jews.
 
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