UberDave: "If Tebow does not in fact disagree with Jeffress on any of these points, then his decision looks like nothing more than craven capitulation to the nattering nabobs of negativism and intolerance. "If they are "nattering nabobs or negativism" and *nothing more* then why capitulate? It's almost as if this has to do with his image...or basically, money. And find me a Christian who wouldn't lick satan's hairy bean-bag for the right amount of cash...
Arkanaut: I'm sure that hyper-religious, home-schooled, prayer-on-every-down Tim Tebow is perfectly fine with the "Christian Right", just not openly hate extremists like Jeffress.
scottydoesntknow: And to be clear, he may still think being gay is wrong (he didn't say exactly why he cancelled), but at least he's smart enough to keep it to himself and not perpetuate hate.
Marcus Aurelius: Why is it that Christians seldom act like Christians?
jayhawk88: Oh, is that determination of what is and isn't hate speech now? Age? Because I'm pretty sure we could dig up some choice quotes about Christianity from ancient Jews and Romans that would make for some fascinating conversation.
Minucius Felix, Octavius ch. 9 (2nd or 3rd century)The author attributes the following words to a certain heathen, Caecilius, in a debate with the Christian Octavius.
GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: Maybe he IS gay.
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jayhawk88: "To me, the real issue here is the controversy this has generated," Jeffress said. "It's amazing that a church that believes faith alone in Christ is what saves a person and that sex should be between a man and a woman in a marriage relationship - that somehow those beliefs are considered hate speech? That is historic Christian doctrine for the past 2,000 years."Oh, is that determination of what is and isn't hate speech now? Age? Because I'm pretty sure we could dig up some choice quotes about Christianity from ancient Jews and Romans that would make for some fascinating conversation.
cfreak: Not only that but the anti-gay thing really didn't start until the 1940s. Before that no one really cared that much.
thecpt: cfreak: Not only that but the anti-gay thing really didn't start until the 1940s. Before that no one really cared that much.I don't want to scream at you or anything, but there has been severe repression since (and you didn't expect this) the Spanish Inquisition. The English government would kind of torture you, and up past WW2 they would try to chemically nuder you.
Earpj: $130,000,000 renovation, or something like that? (I read an article yesterday)
steamingpile: Arkanaut: I'm sure that hyper-religious, home-schooled, prayer-on-every-down Tim Tebow is perfectly fine with the "Christian Right", just not openly hate extremists like Jeffress.I would bet he's not nearly as extreme as others are and was only going for a paycheck.And fark whatever this guy says at the pulpit, I'm for an ammendment to withdraw tax-exempt status for churches once they reach a certain financial level. If you are tax exempt you shouldn't be pulling in enough to own a private jet or have a house larger than a strip mall.
Robert1966: If you believe faith alone saves a person, what difference does it makes who he has sex with? For that matter, if faith alone saves a person, how can there be any other rules?
Tom_Slick: This is the reason people like me stop going to Church.CSB:The Church I belong to, is in the middle of battle to switch affiliations from First Presbytery USA, to some whack job outfit called ECO, just because 1st Pres allows gay preachers, and gay outreach programs. The funny thing is the older members say age 50 and up do not have a problem with gay outreach programs etc. it is the people in their late 20s-40s who have this fear of the gay community./CSBOh and let's all sing the new evangelical version of Jesus Loves the Little Children:Jesus loves the little childrenExcept for that one and those two over there.
LarryDan43: Publicly, but not privately.
Tom_Slick: The Church I belong to, is in the middle of battle to switch affiliations from First Presbytery USA, to some whack job outfit called ECO, just because 1st Pres allows gay preachers, and gay outreach programs. The funny thing is the older members say age 50 and up do not have a problem with gay outreach programs etc. it is the people in their late 20s-40s who have this fear of the gay community.
steamingpile: So they are gay? If you are straight then it shouldnt matter at all.
divgradcurl: oh god, that sounds awful, i hate being naked in front of other people. oh wait, neuter... that doesn't sound fun either :-)
divgradcurl: i fully support using bikes to transport yourself to where fear and hatred are prominent
Trollin4Colon: We never went to church growing up. I decided to go when I was 8 because my friend said you get free doughnuts on the ride over so hey, free doughnuts. It was some kind of baptist church I think, went in to sunday school and played a game where the teacher(?) asks you to find a bible quote. I then spent the next hour getting dirty looks from everyone and condescended to from the teacher because I didn't have the bible memorized. Between that and the actual church service, effectively turned me off to church for life. Not all the doughnuts in the world will get me back in a church.
AnotherBluesStringer: And thus, the first domino in the "Tebow comes out the closet" chain falls.
Great_Milenko: I don't think so. Usually it's the ones who double-down who are closet cases.
scottydoesntknow: Ya know what? I'll be the first to admit I was wrong about this when the news broke he was going to be speaking there, and good on Tebow.I figured he was a homo-hating toolbag too, the NFL PR machine just told him to shut the fark up about it. I figured now that he's pretty much done with the NFL, he could let everyone know how wrong homosexuality is.Again, I'm glad I was wrong about this. The last thing the fundies needed was another person who sucks up screentime screaming about how gays are evil.
AliceBToklasLives: So if Christians like Tebow are supposed to minister to sinners, why not actually speak there and preach against hate? If he spoke to a bunch of junkies, he wouldn't necessary be endorsing drug addiction.
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