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2013-02-22 09:19:39 AM  
It's not hard to dislike the FBC guys in Dallas. Just a bunch of hate filled drunks who pass off intoxication as spirit. Just a matter of Robert Jeffress is found in bed with a dead whore or a live boy. And meth.

This is Tebow's time to remind people that "Complete asshole" is not a valid lifestyle choice.
 
2013-02-22 09:24:53 AM  
"If Tebow does not in fact disagree with Jeffress on any of these points, then his decision looks like nothing more than craven capitulation to the nattering nabobs of negativism and intolerance. "


If they are "nattering nabobs or negativism" and *nothing more* then why capitulate?  It's almost as if this has to do with his image...or basically, money.  And find me a Christian who wouldn't lick satan's hairy bean-bag for the right amount of cash...
 
2013-02-22 09:24:55 AM  
I'm sure that hyper-religious, home-schooled, prayer-on-every-down Tim Tebow is perfectly fine with the "Christian Right", just not openly hate extremists like Jeffress.
 
2013-02-22 09:31:03 AM  

UberDave: "If Tebow does not in fact disagree with Jeffress on any of these points, then his decision looks like nothing more than craven capitulation to the nattering nabobs of negativism and intolerance. "


If they are "nattering nabobs or negativism" and *nothing more* then why capitulate?  It's almost as if this has to do with his image...or basically, money.  And find me a Christian who wouldn't lick satan's hairy bean-bag for the right amount of cash...


The really striking thing about that quote is the Orwellian use of the term 'intolerance.' I mean, it's not surprising, I've seen it before, but wow, what pieces of shiat. Are they stupid enough to think they're fooling anyone who isn't already in their camp, I wonder?
 
2013-02-22 09:32:34 AM  
Ya know what? I'll be the first to admit I was wrong about this when the news broke he was going to be speaking there, and good on Tebow.

I figured he was a homo-hating toolbag too, the NFL PR machine just told him to shut the fark up about it. I figured now that he's pretty much done with the NFL, he could let everyone know how wrong homosexuality is.

Again, I'm glad I was wrong about this. The last thing the fundies needed was another person who sucks up screentime screaming about how gays are evil.
 
2013-02-22 09:33:59 AM  
And to be clear, he may still think being gay is wrong (he didn't say exactly why he cancelled), but at least he's smart enough to keep it to himself and not perpetuate hate.
 
2013-02-22 09:34:43 AM  

Arkanaut: I'm sure that hyper-religious, home-schooled, prayer-on-every-down Tim Tebow is perfectly fine with the "Christian Right", just not openly hate extremists like Jeffress.


Pretty much this. I've always been more than a little dismayed when people from any faith discard huge swaths of teaching over personal (or even dogmatic) bits they prefer and that directly contradict the parts responsible for drawing in new members. Jeffress only draws in exclusionary elements who have decided somewhere in their black little hearts that openly fighting against those who are different than them is a much more noble pastime than displaying the "love of Christ". Even I can see that and I'm not even a Christian. I think it's because, apparently unlike many Christians, I have read the bible - more than once and without cherry picking.
 
2013-02-22 09:36:39 AM  
"To me, the real issue here is the controversy this has generated," Jeffress said. "It's amazing that a church that believes faith alone in Christ is what saves a person and that sex should be between a man and a woman in a marriage relationship - that somehow those beliefs are considered hate speech? That is historic Christian doctrine for the past 2,000 years."

Oh, is that determination of  what is and isn't hate speech now? Age? Because I'm pretty sure we could dig up some choice quotes about Christianity from ancient Jews and Romans that would make for some fascinating conversation.
 
2013-02-22 09:37:55 AM  

Arkanaut: I'm sure that hyper-religious, home-schooled, prayer-on-every-down Tim Tebow is perfectly fine with the "Christian Right", just not openly hate extremists like Jeffress.


I would bet he's not nearly as extreme as others are and was only going for a paycheck.

And fark whatever this guy says at the pulpit, I'm for an ammendment to withdraw tax-exempt status for churches once they reach a certain financial level. If you are tax exempt you shouldn't be pulling in enough to own a private jet or have a house larger than a strip mall.
 
2013-02-22 09:38:54 AM  
Maybe he IS gay.
 
2013-02-22 09:43:28 AM  

scottydoesntknow: And to be clear, he may still think being gay is wrong (he didn't say exactly why he cancelled), but at least he's smart enough to keep it to himself and not perpetuate hate.


The right looks insane the longer they yell about how evil gays are, I got one guy pissed off by saying he's just upset because he wishes they were pumping all that evil up in him.

I'm considered right wing here (which is crazy since friends think I'm liberal) but I don't give a shiat what people do in their own bedroom or personal lives. People who act like it bothers them to see men or women hold hands seem a little off to me. If its not you then who the fark cares?
 
2013-02-22 09:44:59 AM  

Arkanaut: I'm sure that hyper-religious, home-schooled, prayer-on-every-down Tim Tebow is perfectly fine with the "Christian Right", just not openly hate extremists like Jeffress.


Er, that was supposed to be "openly hateful".
 
2013-02-22 09:46:33 AM  
Oh, and this was nice too: "To me, the real issue here is the controversy this has generated," Jeffress said. "It's amazing that a church that believes faith alone in Christ is what saves a person and that sex should be between a man and a woman in a marriage relationship - that somehow those beliefs are considered hate speech? That is historic Christian doctrine for the past 2,000 years."

I mean, by that standard we should still have slavery; the Bible quite clearly allows it. Also, "faith alone in Christ is what saves a person?"

What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister has nothing to wear and has no food for the day, and one of you says to them, "Go in peace, keep warm, and eat well," but you do not give them the necessities of the body, what good is it? So also faith of itself, if it does not have works, is dead.- James 2:14-17The idea of salvation by faith alone is basically a Protestant innovation, and is in no way 2000 years old. But it would be inconvenient if it were otherwise, I suppose. It's so much nicer for them to be able to indulge themselves in whatever way they see fit, and to avoid lifting a finger to help those less fortunate, and still be saved because Jesus. And sure, it was a relatively recent change to doctrine, but it's okay when such a change is to their benefit.What a disgustingly self-serving philosophy. Yes, assholes, it is hate speech, and "faith," if I can even call it that, is no excuse, especially when that faith amounts to nothing more than hypocritical self-justification.
 
2013-02-22 09:46:38 AM  
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2013-02-22 09:52:07 AM  
Why is it that Christians seldom act like Christians?
 
2013-02-22 09:53:09 AM  
Publicly, but not privately.
 
2013-02-22 09:54:12 AM  
And thus, the first domino in the "Tebow comes out the closet" chain falls.

But seriously, good on him.
 
2013-02-22 09:54:45 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Why is it that Christians seldom act like Christians?


The protestants around me are great people, charitable, and accepting of teh ghey.  Those evangelicals are an entirely different breed.
 
2013-02-22 09:55:24 AM  

jayhawk88: Oh, is that determination of  what is and isn't hate speech now? Age? Because I'm pretty sure we could dig up some choice quotes about Christianity from ancient Jews and Romans that would make for some fascinating conversation.


Minucius Felix,  Octavius ch. 9 (2nd or 3rd century)

The author attributes the following words to a certain heathen, Caecilius, in a debate with the Christian Octavius.

Now the story about the initiation of novices is as disgusting as it is well known. An infant covered with flour, in order to deceive the unwary, is placed before the one who is to be initiated into their rites. The novice, encouraged by the surface of flour to strike without harm, kills the infant with unseen and hidden wounds. The infant's blood - oh horrible! - they lap up thirstily; its limbs they parcel out eagerly. By this victim they ally themselves with one another; by their complicity in this crime they pledge themselves to mutual silence. These rites are fouler than any sacrifice.

And what happens at their banquets is well known; it is spoken of everywhere. The speech of our friend from Cirta testifies to it. On an appointed day they gather for a feast with all their children, sisters and mothers, people from both sexes and of every age. There after much feasting, when the banquet has inflamed them and they are burning with the drunken heat of incestuous lust, they provoke a dog tied to a lamp to leap forward by tossing a scrap of food beyond the length of the rope to which it is tied. The light, which would have been a witness, is thus turned over and extinguished, and in the shameless darkness, connections of unspeakable desire take place with the uncertainty of chance. All are equally defiled, if not by the deed, nevertheless by their complicity in it, since the will of everyone desires whatever acts might happen to be committed by individuals.
 
2013-02-22 09:55:32 AM  

GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: Maybe he IS gay.


This.
 
2013-02-22 10:07:15 AM  
What I especially love is that AFA ass Bryan Fischer's reaction was to basically imply that Tim Tebow's risking eternal damnation for cancelling the speaking engagement. "If Tim Tebow doesn't reverse field here, much more than his NFL career is in jeopardy."

This is why I keep saying that I feel bad for Tebow. From everything I've heard from people who know him, he really is a legitimately nice, good guy. He's in a position where the whole religious right has built up massive expectations for him because he talks so much about his faith and is the homeschool poster child, but if he doesn't toe the line 100% they'll turn on him in an instant. One thing's for sure though, after this he'll be sure to vet his speaking engagements a heck of a lot better so that there isn't a repeat. Given that he's kept his mouth shut about anything remotely political ever since that Focus on the Family ad (which I think was probably his mom's doing--she's been busy using his name to get speaking engagements), I don't think he was intending to put himself in the middle of a political issue with this one because whatever his views are he does seem to be smart enough not to air them.
 
2013-02-22 10:16:26 AM  

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2013-02-22 10:18:10 AM  

jayhawk88: "To me, the real issue here is the controversy this has generated," Jeffress said. "It's amazing that a church that believes faith alone in Christ is what saves a person and that sex should be between a man and a woman in a marriage relationship - that somehow those beliefs are considered hate speech? That is historic Christian doctrine for the past 2,000 years."

Oh, is that determination of  what is and isn't hate speech now? Age? Because I'm pretty sure we could dig up some choice quotes about Christianity from ancient Jews and Romans that would make for some fascinating conversation.


Not only that but the anti-gay thing really didn't start until the 1940s. Before that no one really cared that much.

I'd like to give Tebow some props here but it's difficult because he didn't actually say that was why, he only implied it.

/ recently left my church over the same issue
// sad that I can't seem to find one who doesn't care.
 
2013-02-22 10:23:19 AM  
I kinda feel bad for Tebow in this instance. He was asked to speak at a megachurch and for a guy like him the answer to that will always be a knee-jerk yes. He doesn't have the handlers to do research beforehand on whether or not it's a good idea.

The moment he said yes this became a no-win situation. Hopefully he'll learn and be more careful next time, if there is a next time for him.
 
2013-02-22 10:23:56 AM  

cfreak: Not only that but the anti-gay thing really didn't start until the 1940s. Before that no one really cared that much.


I don't want to scream at you or anything, but there has been severe repression since (and you didn't expect this) the Spanish Inquisition.  The English government would kind of torture you, and up past WW2 they would try to chemically nuder you.
 
2013-02-22 10:28:56 AM  

thecpt: cfreak: Not only that but the anti-gay thing really didn't start until the 1940s. Before that no one really cared that much.

I don't want to scream at you or anything, but there has been severe repression since (and you didn't expect this) the Spanish Inquisition.  The English government would kind of torture you, and up past WW2 they would try to chemically nuder you.


I think where the "around the 40s" comes in is mass media.....  prior to mass media, communities were much more tightly knit... and someone could "hide" in a community and not really ever get noticed.   And people who were gay felt isolated and didn't have a "network" to discuss their issues with.  As mass media and then the internet has connected people more and more, it has strengthened groups (not just gays) that could not garner strength in days where it was very hard to communicate.
 
2013-02-22 10:40:20 AM  
I never trust big, fancy, churches. I'm sure there are some poor or sick people that could've been helped with the..what's this one? $130,000,000 renovation, or something like that? (I read an article yesterday)
 
2013-02-22 10:44:56 AM  

Earpj: $130,000,000 renovation, or something like that? (I read an article yesterday)


No,of course not. That's what they're asking for IN ADDITION TO the $50 million they already spent, for a total of $180 million.
 
2013-02-22 10:45:04 AM  

steamingpile: Arkanaut: I'm sure that hyper-religious, home-schooled, prayer-on-every-down Tim Tebow is perfectly fine with the "Christian Right", just not openly hate extremists like Jeffress.

I would bet he's not nearly as extreme as others are and was only going for a paycheck.

And fark whatever this guy says at the pulpit, I'm for an ammendment to withdraw tax-exempt status for churches once they reach a certain financial level. If you are tax exempt you shouldn't be pulling in enough to own a private jet or have a house larger than a strip mall.


I don't see that going over well with politicians that believe the acquisition of wealth equates to how much God loves someone.*cough* Michelle Bachmann *cough*
 
2013-02-22 10:46:19 AM  
and now cue up a chorus of right-wing commentators explaining to us that Tebow has always been an overated, marginal talent, and why won't he just shut up and play like atheletes should?
 
2013-02-22 10:52:07 AM  
This is the reason people like me stop going to Church.

CSB:

The Church I belong to, is in the middle of battle to switch affiliations from First Presbytery USA, to some whack job outfit called ECO, just because 1st Pres allows gay preachers, and gay outreach programs.  The funny thing is the older members say age 50 and up do not have a problem with gay outreach programs etc. it is the people in their late 20s-40s who have this fear of the gay community.

/CSB

Oh and let's all sing the new evangelical version of Jesus Loves the Little Children:

Jesus loves the little children
Except for that one and those two over there.
 
2013-02-22 10:53:25 AM  
FTFA: "It's amazing that a church that believes faith alone in Christ is what saves a person and that sex should be between a man and a woman in a marriage relationship - that somehow those beliefs are considered hate speech?"

If you believe faith alone saves a person, what difference does it makes who he has sex with? For that matter, if faith alone saves a person, how can there be any other rules?
 
2013-02-22 10:56:51 AM  

Robert1966: If you believe faith alone saves a person, what difference does it makes who he has sex with? For that matter, if faith alone saves a person, how can there be any other rules?


That's where the Catholics have it right, as long as you tell a Priest all is forgiven or as Homer Simpson said, "If I'm wrong I will simply recant on my death bed."
 
2013-02-22 11:13:20 AM  

Tom_Slick: This is the reason people like me stop going to Church.

CSB:

The Church I belong to, is in the middle of battle to switch affiliations from First Presbytery USA, to some whack job outfit called ECO, just because 1st Pres allows gay preachers, and gay outreach programs.  The funny thing is the older members say age 50 and up do not have a problem with gay outreach programs etc. it is the people in their late 20s-40s who have this fear of the gay community.

/CSB

Oh and let's all sing the new evangelical version of Jesus Loves the Little Children:

Jesus loves the little children
Except for that one and those two over there.



We never went to church growing up. I decided to go when I was 8 because my friend said you get free doughnuts on the ride over so hey, free doughnuts. It was some kind of baptist church I think, went in to sunday school and played a game where the teacher(?) asks you to find a bible quote. I then spent the next hour getting dirty looks from everyone and condescended to from the teacher because I didn't have the bible memorized. Between that and the actual church service, effectively turned me off to church for life. Not all the doughnuts in the world will get me back in a church.

//well maybe ALL the doughnuts......


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2013-02-22 11:18:57 AM  

LarryDan43: Publicly, but not privately.


Who cares what he thinks in private? Just like most of the nation doesnt give a shiat what gays do in private, same thing.

You are free to think whatever you want, actively stopping someone else from exercising that freedom is where it ends though, thats why I dont understand people who try to shame people if they dare have a different opinion than what is accepted.

Tom_Slick: The Church I belong to, is in the middle of battle to switch affiliations from First Presbytery USA, to some whack job outfit called ECO, just because 1st Pres allows gay preachers, and gay outreach programs. The funny thing is the older members say age 50 and up do not have a problem with gay outreach programs etc. it is the people in their late 20s-40s who have this fear of the gay community.


So they are gay? If you are straight then it shouldnt matter at all.
 
2013-02-22 11:23:53 AM  
You can be a devout christian and not tow the party line.

Maybe he should talk to this guy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlYtlsduMUM
 
2013-02-22 11:25:08 AM  

steamingpile: So they are gay? If you are straight then it shouldnt matter at all.


Not gay, but I do think discrimination on any level is wrong so there you go.  Besides the ECO group is essentially Baptist and if you want to be Baptist there is a literally a Baptist Church across the street leave mine alone and go pedal your fear and hatred of Homosexuals elsewhere.
 
2013-02-22 11:29:44 AM  

thecpt: nuder


oh god, that sounds awful, i hate being naked in front of other people. oh wait, neuter... that doesn't sound fun either :-)

Tom_Slick: pedal


i fully support using bikes to transport yourself to where fear and hatred are prominent


/spellcheck nazi mode engaged
 
2013-02-22 11:32:43 AM  

divgradcurl: oh god, that sounds awful, i hate being naked in front of other people. oh wait, neuter... that doesn't sound fun either :-)


GODDAMN YOU SPELL CHALK!
 
2013-02-22 11:36:13 AM  

divgradcurl: i fully support using bikes to transport yourself to where fear and hatred are prominent


Whoops, but God lurves mee dispit myy speilling ebility.
 
2013-02-22 11:41:56 AM  

Trollin4Colon: We never went to church growing up. I decided to go when I was 8 because my friend said you get free doughnuts on the ride over so hey, free doughnuts. It was some kind of baptist church I think, went in to sunday school and played a game where the teacher(?) asks you to find a bible quote. I then spent the next hour getting dirty looks from everyone and condescended to from the teacher because I didn't have the bible memorized. Between that and the actual church service, effectively turned me off to church for life. Not all the doughnuts in the world will get me back in a church.


Unfortunately that sounds typical for a lot of Churches.

Not a Cool Story Bro:

My wife was Jewish, when we had our daughter we decided to raise her in the Jewish faith.  When my wife died, the preacher at the church I was a member of told me that I could now raise my daughter in a "proper religion."  This was 2 days after my wife's funeral.  Needless to say I stopped going to that church.
 
2013-02-22 11:45:42 AM  

AnotherBluesStringer: And thus, the first domino in the "Tebow comes out the closet" chain falls.


I don't think so.  Usually it's the ones who double-down who are closet cases.
 
2013-02-22 11:46:39 AM  
Good for him.

//that is all
 
2013-02-22 11:57:13 AM  

Great_Milenko: I don't think so. Usually it's the ones who double-down who are closet cases.


This
 
2013-02-22 12:00:30 PM  
So if Christians like Tebow are supposed to minister to sinners, why not actually speak there and preach against hate?  If he spoke to a bunch of junkies, he wouldn't necessary be endorsing drug addiction.
 
2013-02-22 12:01:54 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Ya know what? I'll be the first to admit I was wrong about this when the news broke he was going to be speaking there, and good on Tebow.

I figured he was a homo-hating toolbag too, the NFL PR machine just told him to shut the fark up about it. I figured now that he's pretty much done with the NFL, he could let everyone know how wrong homosexuality is.

Again, I'm glad I was wrong about this. The last thing the fundies needed was another person who sucks up screentime screaming about how gays are evil.


My take on it was that Tebow wasn't on board with this. I think the guy is an overrated player, and this constant "Jesus" shiat is annoying, but I've never gotten the actual ashole vibe from him. This doesn't surprise me at all. Good for him.

You're seeing this more and more now. Everyone talks about hos anti-gay the Mormons are, but the younger generation is a completely different breed. They've all grown up with a culture where people actually come out of the closet and all had friends who turned out to be gay, and none of them caught the gay. They're figuring out that this is a pretty minor issue to hate people over.
 
2013-02-22 12:11:10 PM  

jayhawk88: "To me, the real issue here is the controversy this has generated," Jeffress said. "It's amazing that a church that believes faith alone in Christ is what saves a person and that sex should be between a man and a woman in a marriage relationship - that somehow those beliefs are considered hate speech? That is historic Christian doctrine for the past 2,000 years."

Oh, is that determination of  what is and isn't hate speech now? Age? Because I'm pretty sure we could dig up some choice quotes about Christianity from ancient Jews and Romans that would make for some fascinating conversation.


I think he's being ironic. Almost everything 2000 years ago would be classified as hate speech today.
 
2013-02-22 12:16:09 PM  
Nattering Nabobs of Negativism - New Fark slogan or garage band name?
 
2013-02-22 12:46:25 PM  
my favorite part is when the pastor says:

"It's amazing that a church that believes faith alone in Christ is what saves a person and that sex should be between a man and a woman in a marriage relationship - that somehow those beliefs are considered hate speech?"

So if faith alone saves someone, who cares where you put the penis?
 
2013-02-22 12:50:10 PM  

AliceBToklasLives: So if Christians like Tebow are supposed to minister to sinners, why not actually speak there and preach against hate?  If he spoke to a bunch of junkies, he wouldn't necessary be endorsing drug addiction.



There's walking the walk, and then there's just wearing the eye make-up for the cameras.
 
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