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2013-02-22 08:55:00 AM
Apple has only had its 'cool' in the last few years. In the 80s and 90s they were owned exclusively by people who thought those knitted jumpers their grandma gave them for Christmas, with the 'snazzy' patterns were really 'neat'.
 
2013-02-22 09:11:35 AM
30 million iPhone Lemmings marching of the cliff: Lemmings
 
2013-02-22 09:16:03 AM
Apple was cool when it was fringe

Now its mainstream and it is no longer as prestigious as it once was. I mean, why would a rich man buy a Rolls Royce if anyone on the street could own one? A Rolls Royce is a big "fark you I'm rich" car
 
2013-02-22 09:50:04 AM
The iPhone user became decidedly less cool when it became the phone that your parents want.
 
2013-02-22 09:50:58 AM

RexTalionis: The iPhone user became decidedly less cool when it became the phone that your parents want.


FTFM
 
2013-02-22 10:12:47 AM

hinten: 30 million iPhone Lemmings marching of the cliff: Lemmings


Don't tease me.
 
2013-02-22 10:19:20 AM

RexTalionis: The iPhone user became decidedly less cool when it became the phone that your grandparents want.

 
2013-02-22 10:23:10 AM

RexTalionis: The iPhone user became decidedly less cool when it became the phone that your parents want.


Is he wearing skinny jeans still?  This is important.
 
2013-02-22 10:24:55 AM
The article got one thing decidedly right, while there has been an iPhone killer, there are a lot of phones that live alongside it just fine.

On a similar note, if Google could wrestle more control of their OS from the wireless companies and get some standardization going, the Android experience would only get better. Seriously, there are so many people running Gingerbread on phones that can handle much, much more that it's not even funny. I'm looking at you AT&T and your months-late updates to "flagship" phones.
 
2013-02-22 10:32:14 AM
The real reason, no completely new products, no compelling reason to upgrade the iPhone, and changing the nearly decade old proprietary connector to a different proprietary connecter.
 
2013-02-22 10:41:53 AM

Tom_Slick: The real reason, no completely new products, no compelling reason to upgrade the iPhone, and changing the nearly decade old proprietary connector to a different proprietary connecter.


I was honestly considering an iPhone, but when I held it side by side with the other phones on the market, I just could not do it.  The main reason I stuck with Android was because of screen size.  To me at least, the iPhone screen is comically small by comparison to most of the other offerings out there running Android or Windows OSs.  I ended up getting the Note 2 and love it.  I will not go back to something smaller.
 
2013-02-22 10:42:53 AM
My first computer (that I was allowed to use) was a Mac in the 80s. Following that I was hard core Mac/Apple to about 2k1, then I switched job types and Apple just did not cut it anymore. It had nothing to do with computing power or anything, but with the availability of software and the quality of the software that I needed (I am not a graphics person). Anyway, I bungled with Win and such and finally got an Android phone. Every now and again I get to play with an iPhone, iPad or other Apple device and it is fairly obvious the advantage on many levels. However, as a person who is not into the "show-off factor" of having the latest and greatest nor do I want to be the Apple Fan Boy anymore, the attraction is just not there. So I stick with the other options and plug along just fine.

I think Apple has lost a bit of its luster as of the last few years, but the company is also at a point where they (at least in the past decade), came out with a new "game changer" of an item, so I am not counting them out. Certainly with loss of Jobs, the company does not have that obsessive direction that it seemed to. Instead of new groundbreaking toys, the last couple of years seem to have been more of a period of refinement of existing products. They are due another big jump and it is going to be interesting to see if the Post-Jobs Apple has the chops it did before. Certainly Apple has a lot going for it and is an amazing innovator. Time will tell though if they can keep the pace of the last 10 years.

So yeah, Apple has lost some of its cool, but they are a pretty resourceful bunch, Jobs or not. My bet is they will stage a comeback and John C. Abell at CNN will be labeled a turd.

Ok....maybe not a turd, but he will be shown to have been wrong.
 
2013-02-22 10:44:01 AM
To be honest, I bet the reason most people stick to a brand at this point is that with money invested in apps and accessories and whatnot, converting between the OSes is cost prohibitive.
 
2013-02-22 10:46:02 AM

RexTalionis: The iPhone user became decidedly less cool when it became the phone that your parents want.


It's not the phone that you deserve , it's the phone that you need right now..
 
2013-02-22 10:49:41 AM

Publikwerks: To be honest, I bet the reason most people stick to a brand at this point is that with money invested in apps and accessories and whatnot, converting between the OSes is cost prohibitive.


My wife and I were having this discussion this morning about the new Xbox and PlayStation.  We have got hundreds and hundreds of dollars wrapped up in games and accessories for our 360.  Whether we like it or not, we are likely stuck with Microsoft for a long time.
 
2013-02-22 10:52:13 AM
I lost my phone recently and, as my contract will be a little while until I can upgrade, decided to get a replacement from Ebay. I got an unlocked phone, upgraded to the latest android release, sim unlocked, and about a third of the price that I would have to pay my service provider for the handset (I paid £150, my contract would be £20 extra a month for 2 years to pay for the phone, £480)

I have now decided not to upgrade or upgrade to the cheapest phone I can and buy one from Ebay when I notice my phone getting slow or there is a feature I want that it does not have, like NFC or something.

Instead of £35 a month, my contract will be £15 per month (2000 minutes or texts, unlimited data, 5000 provider minutes) and I will put the extra £20 into my savings account, make (a small amount of) interest and have some money left over when I want to upgrade. I will spend this on beer.
 
2013-02-22 10:52:56 AM
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Fry: Why is everyone wearing those rings?
Amy Wong: Guh! Because nobody wears them anymore. Rings are stupid.
Fry: I think they're cool.
Amy Wong: Shh! Don't let anyone hear you.
Guy: Hey, did that guy just say that rings are cool?
Amy Wong: No, he said they're stupid.
Guy: Cool!
 
2013-02-22 10:53:03 AM
The rule of question marks in headlines maintains.

If a headline asks a question, the answer is always "No".

The headline in question "Is Apple losing its 'cool'?"

The last line: "bet against Apple at your own peril"

Dumbass writer. I guess everyone has slow days.

/Apple sucks
//their UI looks archaic, and they're failing without Jobs
 
2013-02-22 10:53:52 AM
Sorry, but this article doesn't use the word "beleaguered" anywhere.
 
2013-02-22 10:54:38 AM

Endive Wombat: Publikwerks: To be honest, I bet the reason most people stick to a brand at this point is that with money invested in apps and accessories and whatnot, converting between the OSes is cost prohibitive.

My wife and I were having this discussion this morning about the new Xbox and PlayStation.  We have got hundreds and hundreds of dollars wrapped up in games and accessories for our 360.  Whether we like it or not, we are likely stuck with Microsoft for a long time.


Oh don't worry, I'm sure you won't be able to use those on the next Xbox.
 
2013-02-22 10:54:42 AM
For the last farking time, it's not about "being cool".  It's about having something that works exceptionally well.  Yes, there are always the handful of idiots who really do think it's just about a status symbol, but the rest of us are glad to use a product that doesn't suck balls in some major way.  Brand loyalty is built up over time when the whole "doesn't suck balls" thing is discovered to be true for a number of different products.

These "tech reporters" who write click-gathering articles like this aren't getting it.  "Cool factor" is not only factor here, or even the major one.  Otherwise all the products listed would've been chucked away and rejected by people long ago.  iPods have been around for 12 years now.  iPhone has been around for 6 and more or less looks about the same.  The current Macbook form factor has been around for about 7 years.  Same with the iMac line.  "Cool factor" doesn't apply to that sort of timeline.
 
2013-02-22 10:55:11 AM

sure haven't: their UI looks archaic


In what regard?  I am not necessarily disagreeing with you, I just want to understand what you mean by that.
 
2013-02-22 10:56:53 AM

theurge14: For the last farking time, it's not about "being cool".  It's about having something that works exceptionally well.  Yes, there are always the handful of idiots who really do think it's just about a status symbol, but the rest of us are glad to use a product that doesn't suck balls in some major way.  Brand loyalty is built up over time when the whole "doesn't suck balls" thing is discovered to be true for a number of different products.

These "tech reporters" who write click-gathering articles like this aren't getting it.  "Cool factor" is not only factor here, or even the major one.  Otherwise all the products listed would've been chucked away and rejected by people long ago.  iPods have been around for 12 years now.  iPhone has been around for 6 and more or less looks about the same.  The current Macbook form factor has been around for about 7 years.  Same with the iMac line.  "Cool factor" doesn't apply to that sort of timeline.


I suspect those that ask if something is still cool are mentally stuck in High School where every other persons opinion mattered.
 
2013-02-22 10:59:29 AM
I read that headline as "Tech news prostitutes to Apple again."
 
2013-02-22 11:00:50 AM
Owning idevices has gone from a mark of coolness to a simple prerequisite of coolness.  An iphone doesn't make you cool, but the other smart phone platforms (especially blackberry) definitely make you uncool.
 
2013-02-22 11:02:21 AM

Endive Wombat: sure haven't: their UI looks archaic

In what regard?  I am not necessarily disagreeing with you, I just want to understand what you mean by that.


I know any UI anywhere is just "rows of boxes", but they're UI has that shiny bubble effect on it, which was the style in the mid-2000's. The screen contains everything, instead of understanding that you can expand it by having things appear as if they're out of the screen. It's just clunky looking. Not sure how else to explain it, don't have the words or the time right now :(
 
2013-02-22 11:08:58 AM

sure haven't: Endive Wombat: sure haven't: their UI looks archaic

In what regard?  I am not necessarily disagreeing with you, I just want to understand what you mean by that.

I know any UI anywhere is just "rows of boxes", but they're UI has that shiny bubble effect on it, which was the style in the mid-2000's. The screen contains everything, instead of understanding that you can expand it by having things appear as if they're out of the screen. It's just clunky looking. Not sure how else to explain it, don't have the words or the time right now :(


Fair enough.  I do think that Android does have a cleaner UI
 
2013-02-22 11:09:19 AM
The last decade for Apple is, more than anything, about electronic components getting good enough that they could go portable. Where Apple made it's money was on being at the forefront of what was going on with that.

The problem for Apple is the same one that hit camera manufacturers a few years ago: eventually you hit a point that the stuff does pretty much what people want it to do. No-one much cares about what the cutting-edge is doing, because the utility value of a 15mp camera over an 8mp one is about nil. If you drop your camera and break it, you'll like that you can now get a 15mp one, but most people aren't going to throw out an 8mp one. And even then, a lot of them will find

I've just had a contract renewal and it's the first ever that I've not gone for an upgrade, and instead opted for a discount on my phone contract and I'm keeping my Nexus S. Sure, it ain't as nippy as a Galaxy S3, but I'll trade waiting an extra 2 seconds for an app to open for £15/month.
 
2013-02-22 11:15:56 AM

Kyosuke


Sorry, but this article doesn't use the word "beleaguered" anywhere.


This article is also not from NetCraft.
 
2013-02-22 11:16:19 AM

farkeruk: The last decade for Apple is, more than anything, about electronic components getting good enough that they could go portable. Where Apple made it's money was on being at the forefront of what was going on with that.

The problem for Apple is the same one that hit camera manufacturers a few years ago: eventually you hit a point that the stuff does pretty much what people want it to do. No-one much cares about what the cutting-edge is doing, because the utility value of a 15mp camera over an 8mp one is about nil. If you drop your camera and break it, you'll like that you can now get a 15mp one, but most people aren't going to throw out an 8mp one. And even then, a lot of them will find

I've just had a contract renewal and it's the first ever that I've not gone for an upgrade, and instead opted for a discount on my phone contract and I'm keeping my Nexus S. Sure, it ain't as nippy as a Galaxy S3, but I'll trade waiting an extra 2 seconds for an app to open for £15/month.


I don't know about you but after 2 years, my mobile devices have a fraction of their original battery life and are falling apart due to repeated drops.  Combine battery losses, wear & tear, and app store games requiring higher-end specs, and you get a constant need of refreshed devices.  I'm not even taking into account the current work/research into augmented reality apps and Google Glass & similar products, which really will be the future.
 
2013-02-22 11:18:53 AM

Endive Wombat: I was honestly considering an iPhone, but when I held it side by side with the other phones on the market, I just could not do it. The main reason I stuck with Android was because of screen size. To me at least, the iPhone screen is comically small by comparison to most of the other offerings out there running Android or Windows OSs. I ended up getting the Note 2 and love it. I will not go back to something smaller.


And the only reason I have an iPhone 4S is it seemed to be the last phone that wasn't comically huge to me.  I have small hands, and women's clothing isn't exactly known for its copious pocket space. I  didn't want a huge phone, and the iPhone was the smallest of the batch that do what I need/want a phone to do when my contract was up.

I was going to get an Android something or another because I like my boyfriend's phone and some of the customizations that he can do (like text sounds that aren't the same as everyone else in my office) but they looked like clown props to me. In less than a year, phones got way too big.

Seriously a case of to each one's own.
 
2013-02-22 11:20:17 AM

theurge14: For the last farking time, it's not about "being cool".  It's about having something that works exceptionally well.  Yes, there are always the handful of idiots who really do think it's just about a status symbol, but the rest of us are glad to use a product that doesn't suck balls in some major way.  Brand loyalty is built up over time when the whole "doesn't suck balls" thing is discovered to be true for a number of different products.

These "tech reporters" who write click-gathering articles like this aren't getting it.  "Cool factor" is not only factor here, or even the major one.  Otherwise all the products listed would've been chucked away and rejected by people long ago.  iPods have been around for 12 years now.  iPhone has been around for 6 and more or less looks about the same.  The current Macbook form factor has been around for about 7 years.  Same with the iMac line.  "Cool factor" doesn't apply to that sort of timeline.


I'd buy that if the average person put in any sort of thought or research into figuring out the best product for them instead of just what's on TV the most.
 
2013-02-22 11:23:14 AM

Slaxl: Apple has only had its 'cool' in the last few years. In the 80s and 90s they were owned exclusively by people who thought those knitted jumpers their grandma gave them for Christmas, with the 'snazzy' patterns were really 'neat'.


This.
 
2013-02-22 11:24:28 AM
I would like to see apple take a stab at the DSLR market.  I mean really, you've only got 2 choices when it comes to cameras - Nikon and Canon.  In reflecting back on their track record over the last say 10 years, I think that they could do it well.

Although everything from the raw file formats, to the connectors, to the types of memory cards it uses, to tripod mounts will all be proprietary, unique, and unnecessarily expensive.
 
2013-02-22 11:29:09 AM

Endive Wombat: I would like to see apple take a stab at the DSLR market.  I mean really, you've only got 2 choices when it comes to cameras - Nikon and Canon.  In reflecting back on their track record over the last say 10 years, I think that they could do it well.

Although everything from the raw file formats, to the connectors, to the types of memory cards it uses, to tripod mounts will all be proprietary, unique, and unnecessarily expensive.


Well, they could do that.  And then 2 years after that Samsung would make a giant-sized DSLR with a stylus.
 
2013-02-22 11:33:49 AM
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2013-02-22 11:33:54 AM

ampoliros: The article got one thing decidedly right, while there has been an iPhone killer, there are a lot of phones that live alongside it just fine.

On a similar note, if Google could wrestle more control of their OS from the wireless companies and get some standardization going, the Android experience would only get better. Seriously, there are so many people running Gingerbread on phones that can handle much, much more that it's not even funny. I'm looking at you AT&T and your months-late updates to "flagship" phones.


So much this. If and when I get another Android phone, I'm just going to order a Nexus 4 directly from Google.
 
2013-02-22 11:39:20 AM

Lexx: farkeruk: The last decade for Apple is, more than anything, about electronic components getting good enough that they could go portable. Where Apple made it's money was on being at the forefront of what was going on with that.

The problem for Apple is the same one that hit camera manufacturers a few years ago: eventually you hit a point that the stuff does pretty much what people want it to do. No-one much cares about what the cutting-edge is doing, because the utility value of a 15mp camera over an 8mp one is about nil. If you drop your camera and break it, you'll like that you can now get a 15mp one, but most people aren't going to throw out an 8mp one. And even then, a lot of them will find

I've just had a contract renewal and it's the first ever that I've not gone for an upgrade, and instead opted for a discount on my phone contract and I'm keeping my Nexus S. Sure, it ain't as nippy as a Galaxy S3, but I'll trade waiting an extra 2 seconds for an app to open for £15/month.

I don't know about you but after 2 years, my mobile devices have a fraction of their original battery life and are falling apart due to repeated drops.  Combine battery losses, wear & tear, and app store games requiring higher-end specs, and you get a constant need of refreshed devices.  I'm not even taking into account the current work/research into augmented reality apps and Google Glass & similar products, which really will be the future.


In my opinion, battery life, is the single largest way manufacturer's can set themselves apart now. If my phone's battery lasted just 2 hours longer everyday the effects would be noticeable. That and more apps. Apps are fantastic.
 
2013-02-22 11:41:58 AM

theurge14: Endive Wombat: I would like to see apple take a stab at the DSLR market.  I mean really, you've only got 2 choices when it comes to cameras - Nikon and Canon.  In reflecting back on their track record over the last say 10 years, I think that they could do it well.

Although everything from the raw file formats, to the connectors, to the types of memory cards it uses, to tripod mounts will all be proprietary, unique, and unnecessarily expensive.

Well, they could do that.  And then 2 years after that Samsung would make a giant-sized DSLR with a stylus.


Ok, I loled
 
2013-02-22 11:42:14 AM
Comment people will probably point and laugh at in 4 years:

I can't figure out the point of Apple's rumored iwatch. Is it just going to make it so you can look at your watch and see who sent you a txt or email before taking out your phone? I can't imagine millions of people paying for that.
 
2013-02-22 11:45:06 AM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: So much this. If and when I get another Android phone, I'm just going to order a Nexus 4 directly from Google.


I started with the Nexus One.  Currently have a Galaxy Nexus.  I'll always go for the Google experience and zero "value-add" software that the handset maker and/or carrier thinks I want.
 
2013-02-22 11:47:00 AM

Carth: Comment people will probably point and laugh at in 4 years:

I can't figure out the point of Apple's rumored iwatch. Is it just going to make it so you can look at your watch and see who sent you a txt or email before taking out your phone? I can't imagine millions of people paying for that.


I assume it'll be something like the Pebble.  It's a watch first, which most people will be wearing anyways.  But it'll vibrate when you get a call/text on your phone, which I imagine is easier to notice vs when the phone is in your pocket. I wear a watch anyways so having it connect to my phone for added stuff would be nice.
 
2013-02-22 11:50:18 AM

Carth: Comment people will probably point and laugh at in 4 years:

I can't figure out the point of Apple's rumored iwatch. Is it just going to make it so you can look at your watch and see who sent you a txt or email before taking out your phone? I can't imagine millions of people paying for that.


I dunno. You could get rid of the iphone, go with an iPad mini or full size, and mave the watch as your portable thing. It is easier to check you watch than fumble for a phone in your pocket. Then, if you need rto respond, you pull out the ipad.

Also, I have a boner for skype/facetime on a watch.
 
2013-02-22 11:51:00 AM

Carth: Comment people will probably point and laugh at in 4 years:

I can't figure out the point of Apple's rumored iwatch. Is it just going to make it so you can look at your watch and see who sent you a txt or email before taking out your phone? I can't imagine millions of people paying for that.


I think it's suppose to be a semi-substitute for your phone. It'll tether to your phone, so you can do certain things without taking the phone out.

According to the rumors, it's supposed to look something like this - the screen is on a flexible substrate that forms a slap bracelet.

photos.appleinsider.com
 
2013-02-22 11:51:23 AM

Dissociater: Carth: Comment people will probably point and laugh at in 4 years:

I can't figure out the point of Apple's rumored iwatch. Is it just going to make it so you can look at your watch and see who sent you a txt or email before taking out your phone? I can't imagine millions of people paying for that.

I assume it'll be something like the Pebble.  It's a watch first, which most people will be wearing anyways.  But it'll vibrate when you get a call/text on your phone, which I imagine is easier to notice vs when the phone is in your pocket. I wear a watch anyways so having it connect to my phone for added stuff would be nice.


I guess it would be useful for some. But if you need to charge it everyday, or tap it to turn it on it seems like a huge step backwards for a watch.

I have a vintage watch that needs to be winded every few days and even that is annoying compared to a nice automatic. I can't imagine having to plug it into USB every night.

But then again I have no problem ignoring a txt or email and don't feel a compulsion to check  my phone as soon as i get one.
 
2013-02-22 11:52:11 AM

Publikwerks: Carth: Comment people will probably point and laugh at in 4 years:

I can't figure out the point of Apple's rumored iwatch. Is it just going to make it so you can look at your watch and see who sent you a txt or email before taking out your phone? I can't imagine millions of people paying for that.

I dunno. You could get rid of the iphone, go with an iPad mini or full size, and mave the watch as your portable thing. It is easier to check you watch than fumble for a phone in your pocket. Then, if you need rto respond, you pull out the ipad.

Also, I have a boner for skype/facetime on a watch.


facetime would be very awesome if they could make it work with the rumored flexible display.
 
2013-02-22 12:00:38 PM
I had one of these in the mid 90s (or something like this). It completely sucked and the messaging service was eventually hit wit a class action lawsuit for misleading customers.

I am not waiting for the iWatch to come out.

technology.automated.it
 
2013-02-22 12:01:59 PM
Didn't read the article, nor do I care about "cool" (perks of getting older), but I'll share my opinion nonetheless...

I still think OSX is the best commercial operating system and I like MacBooks.  I'm still rocking a late 2008 pro thanks to a SSD I added last year.  Sure, I could get a newer faster model, but until this dies, it's good enough.  Unless OSX morphs into iOS on laptops, its eventual replacement will be another MacBook.

I have no interest in tablets, so no comment on ipads.

I'm on my second iphone (first was a 3s, now a 4s).  This market has changed a lot in the past year or two... my contract is up this year and I'm likely to switch.  I've played around with the iphone 5 and really like the camera on it (important feature to me), but iOS is incredibly stale at this point.  I'm sure there will be a 5s before my contract expires, but I'm more interested in how they overhaul iOS.  All I really would like would the ability to choose new default applications for Maps, Email, and Browser, more control over the homescreen (widgets and such), and allow me to delete unused apple apps!

Regarding Apple TV and rumored stuff... I currently use a Roku, and best I can see, the only thing (albeit nice feature) the apple TV offers is airplay or whatever it's called.  To me, all they need to do to improve this product and be a Roku killer is open it up to apps (Vudu, Amazon, PBS for example).  I sincerely hope they don't offer an actual TV or this stupid watch I keep hearing about.  Just focus on good hardware, better iterations of OSX and an iOS that actual catches up to native Android.  Sadly, I'm not sure that's the direction they are going.  Seems despite their earnings and profitability, the markets no longer see them as their darling and are souring to them.  That's an entirely other issue which is plaguing too many other public companies and stunting innovation over stock price.
 
2013-02-22 12:03:39 PM

RexTalionis: Carth: Comment people will probably point and laugh at in 4 years:

I can't figure out the point of Apple's rumored iwatch. Is it just going to make it so you can look at your watch and see who sent you a txt or email before taking out your phone? I can't imagine millions of people paying for that.

I think it's suppose to be a semi-substitute for your phone. It'll tether to your phone, so you can do certain things without taking the phone out.

According to the rumors, it's supposed to look something like this - the screen is on a flexible substrate that forms a slap bracelet.

[photos.appleinsider.com image 660x485]


See those pictures are the ones I just don't get. I see that and it just looks like a really ugly watch to save people 5 seconds of looking at their phone. I can't imagine someone wearing that in a suit everyday.

Google glass looks ridiculous too in its current form but that I can imagine catching on when technology allows it to be fashionable.

Fully prepared to admit I was wrong when apple makes billions selling it.
 
2013-02-22 12:03:44 PM

theurge14: For the last farking time, it's not about "being cool".  It's about having something that works exceptionally well.  Yes, there are always the handful of idiots who really do think it's just about a status symbol, but the rest of us are glad to use a product that doesn't suck balls in some major way.  Brand loyalty is built up over time when the whole "doesn't suck balls" thing is discovered to be true for a number of different products.


Not sucking balls? What is this artisanal luxury computer bullshiat? Cheap and readily replaceable is the law of the market, and the market is always perfect and never wrong. Only limousine liberal hipster douchebags go against the market. Real Americans buy $199 Dells like they were toothbrushes.
 
2013-02-22 12:05:37 PM
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You know, I really wasn't interested at first, but I had a shiat ton of slap bracelets in fourth grade. Those things were awesome. I might actually want one.
 
2013-02-22 12:09:14 PM

sp1dey73: Didn't read the article, nor do I care about "cool" (perks of getting older), but I'll share my opinion nonetheless...

I still think OSX is the best commercial operating system and I like MacBooks.  I'm still rocking a late 2008 pro thanks to a SSD I added last year.  Sure, I could get a newer faster model, but until this dies, it's good enough.  Unless OSX morphs into iOS on laptops, its eventual replacement will be another MacBook.

I have no interest in tablets, so no comment on ipads.

I'm on my second iphone (first was a 3s, now a 4s).  This market has changed a lot in the past year or two... my contract is up this year and I'm likely to switch.  I've played around with the iphone 5 and really like the camera on it (important feature to me), but iOS is incredibly stale at this point.  I'm sure there will be a 5s before my contract expires, but I'm more interested in how they overhaul iOS.  All I really would like would the ability to choose new default applications for Maps, Email, and Browser, more control over the homescreen (widgets and such), and allow me to delete unused apple apps!



I have a MBP that i love as well and will definitely buy another one. I traded my iPhone 4S for a Nexus 4 and it was a great decision.  Android is far more advanced than iOS and the amount of customization is amazing. I love that you can encrypt the whole phone quickly out of the box and their widgets make the home screens far more useful.
 
2013-02-22 12:09:40 PM

i upped my meds-up yours: theurge14: For the last farking time, it's not about "being cool".  It's about having something that works exceptionally well.  Yes, there are always the handful of idiots who really do think it's just about a status symbol, but the rest of us are glad to use a product that doesn't suck balls in some major way.  Brand loyalty is built up over time when the whole "doesn't suck balls" thing is discovered to be true for a number of different products.

Not sucking balls? What is this artisanal luxury computer bullshiat? Cheap and readily replaceable is the law of the market, and the market is always perfect and never wrong. Only limousine liberal hipster douchebags go against the market. Real Americans buy $199 Dells like they were toothbrushes.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-22 12:14:37 PM
bp2.blogger.com
 
2013-02-22 12:20:49 PM

RexTalionis: The iPhone user became decidedly less cool when it became the phone that your parents want.


Well, aren't you the little rebel?
 
2013-02-22 12:20:55 PM
They need somethin', that's for sure. Apple hasn't done anything innovative in quite a while.
 
2013-02-22 12:23:23 PM
as someone that use to work retail, i would push apple on anyone under 14 and anyone over 40 because i knew they would be able to use the device, wouldn't return it and would think they are being edgey and cool...

those are not the cool age brackets
 
2013-02-22 12:24:16 PM

theurge14: For the last farking time, it's not about "being cool".


Oh, hush. You're going to make Rex Talionis cry, you meanie. (I swear to God, the real hipsters are the farking haters.)
 
2013-02-22 12:26:25 PM
Apple stopped being cool when poor people started to be able to own their products instead of lusting over those with the disposable income to own them. There's nothing quite as effective as like being sold at Wal-Mart for ruining one's image.
 
2013-02-22 12:27:20 PM

tbhouston: as someone that use to work retail, i would push apple on anyone under 14 and anyone over 40 because i knew they would be able to use the device, wouldn't return it and would think they are being edgey and cool...

those are not the cool age brackets


*pssst* Adults don't give a shiat about being "cool". We already know we're not.
 
2013-02-22 12:27:45 PM

hinten: 30 million iPhone Lemmings marching of the cliff: Lemmings


Is that officially the world's most ironic commercial?
 
2013-02-22 12:28:35 PM

Ed Grubermann: tbhouston: as someone that use to work retail, i would push apple on anyone under 14 and anyone over 40 because i knew they would be able to use the device, wouldn't return it and would think they are being edgey and cool...

those are not the cool age brackets

*pssst* Adults don't give a shiat about being "cool". We already know we're not.


Stop harshing his vibe, old man.

Don't you have a pair of white leather shoes and a plane ticket to Boca Raton to be buying?
 
2013-02-22 12:29:31 PM

hinten: 30 million iPhone Lemmings marching of the cliff: Lemmings


I just want to point out Lemmings don't actually march off cliffs normally. Disney pushed them.
 
2013-02-22 12:31:24 PM

theurge14: For the last farking time, it's not about "being cool".  It's about having something that works exceptionally well.


The iPhone does nothing that my Android can't, while my Android "works exceptionally well", PLUS will do a lot of things that the iPhone won't. Most of those due to the arrogance of Apple.
 
2013-02-22 12:35:31 PM
I've been using Windows on my Lumia 920 for the past 3 months.  It's fast, extremely user friendly and all around badass.

Just wanted to throw that out there.
 
2013-02-22 12:38:16 PM

sure haven't: Endive Wombat: sure haven't: their UI looks archaic

In what regard?  I am not necessarily disagreeing with you, I just want to understand what you mean by that.

I know any UI anywhere is just "rows of boxes", but they're UI has that shiny bubble effect on it, which was the style in the mid-2000's. The screen contains everything, instead of understanding that you can expand it by having things appear as if they're out of the screen. It's just clunky looking. Not sure how else to explain it, don't have the words or the time right now :(


Part of it is the fact that Apple doesn't allow things like widgets, and apparently only allowed the changing of wallpaper after enough people biatched. They also don't have an app drawer, your apps have to be on one of your screens, no matter what. I can hide the dock and the notification on my home screens, so all I have is a clock and weather widget on one screen, a full screen day planner on another, folders with apps on another, a world clock on another, and media player controls on another. iPhone wouldn't let you do any of theat. All I had to do was changethe launcher, and didn't need root.

Apple's UI hasn't changed since the iPhone was first introduced, really.
 
2013-02-22 12:38:56 PM
Blackberry will be back. Mark my words.
 
2013-02-22 12:49:47 PM
I buy gadgets for their functionality, features, and ease if use.

Anyone who buys expensive shiny junk for the cool factor deserves Apple crap.

I'm thrilled with my rooted Android tablets and phones.
 
2013-02-22 12:49:52 PM
Who'dve thunk that one little bone-headed decision by Jobs would has such dastardly consequences?

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-22 12:53:48 PM

Mikey1969: theurge14: For the last farking time, it's not about "being cool".  It's about having something that works exceptionally well.

The iPhone does nothing that my Android can't, while my Android "works exceptionally well",


Scroll text smoothly, for instance?  Or have the OS updated in a timely manner without waiting years for the carrier to do something about it.

PLUS will do a lot of things that the iPhone won't. Most of those due to the arrogance of Apple.

I really dig the freedom to download malware from all sorts of app repositories.  Also the ability to root and put Cyanogen Mod on the phone is pretty tits, you know, to replace the boring default stuff on there.  Oh, can't forget Apple's arrogance in determining that the ability to put an animation as my default wallpaper is pretty offense, I mean, who are they to tell me I can't put a wallpaper on my phone that will eat my battery in 2 hours on there?
 
2013-02-22 01:07:30 PM
That company has become its own parody - especially if you look at their 1984 commercial.

/Happy with one of Samsung's Android-powered phones w/ a sliding keyboard
//Wouldn't have it any other way except if Nokia brought back the N950.
 
2013-02-22 01:10:57 PM

theurge14: I really dig the freedom to download malware from all sorts of app repositories.  Also the ability to root and put Cyanogen Mod on the phone is pretty tits, you know, to replace the boring default stuff on there.  Oh, can't forget Apple's arrogance in determining that the ability to put an animation as my default wallpaper is pretty offense, I mean, who are they to tell me I can't put a wallpaper on my phone that will eat my battery in 2 hours on there?


Apple's arrogance is the belief that if THEY didn't think of it first, then you obviously don't need it.

People jailbreak their iPhones all of the time, meaning that your snark regarding dropping the ROM for CM is pretty meaningless.

Wallpapers don't eat your battery in 2 hours, unless you're somehow mentally retarded enough to use a live wallpaper like a game for 2 hours straight.

In 3 years of owning Androids and rooting them, I have never loaded Malware, people are doing it wrong if they are.
 
2013-02-22 01:13:22 PM

cman: Apple was cool when it was fringe

Now its mainstream and it is no longer as prestigious as it once was. I mean, why would a rich man buy a Rolls Royce if anyone on the street could own one? A Rolls Royce is a big "fark you I'm rich" car


i66.photobucket.com

I saw three of these by the local starbucks!
 
2013-02-22 01:22:00 PM
The spell they put over people couldn't have lasted forever.
 
2013-02-22 01:23:52 PM
img14.imageshack.us
 
2013-02-22 01:26:05 PM

theurge14: Mikey1969: theurge14: For the last farking time, it's not about "being cool".  It's about having something that works exceptionally well.

The iPhone does nothing that my Android can't, while my Android "works exceptionally well",

Scroll text smoothly, for instance?  Or have the OS updated in a timely manner without waiting years for the carrier to do something about it.

PLUS will do a lot of things that the iPhone won't. Most of those due to the arrogance of Apple.

I really dig the freedom to download malware from all sorts of app repositories.  Also the ability to root and put Cyanogen Mod on the phone is pretty tits, you know, to replace the boring default stuff on there.  Oh, can't forget Apple's arrogance in determining that the ability to put an animation as my default wallpaper is pretty offense, I mean, who are they to tell me I can't put a wallpaper on my phone that will eat my battery in 2 hours on there?


You... don't think that it's rendering the wallpaper all the time do you? You realize that when things aren't being drawn to the screen, they usually aren't being drawn to anywhere... So unless you've got your phone on and staring at your home screen, it's not consuming any processing resources.
 
2013-02-22 01:27:50 PM

Mikey1969: They also don't have an app drawer, your apps have to be on one of your screens


They do.

*presses and holds an app*

*drags it to another app*

*names new drawer*
 
2013-02-22 01:28:51 PM
That's it, shills and brainwashed losers! Keep repeating this propaganda and eventually that will make it true.

/I think I just sprained something rolling my eyes
 
2013-02-22 01:33:08 PM

theurge14: I really dig the freedom to download malware from all sorts of app repositories.


Ah, yes, any app not Approved by Apple is automatically full of malware.   Unclean, you might call it.  Anyone not Approved by Apple is untrustworthy, and you should be  prevented from installing their software on your phone, because there is  absolutely no such thing as a phone app without malware that's not Approved by Apple.

You must live in constant fear.
 
2013-02-22 01:34:55 PM

fallingcow: Mikey1969: They also don't have an app drawer, your apps have to be on one of your screens

They do.

*presses and holds an app*

*drags it to another app*

*names new drawer*


People on Android (where this behavior was invented) call these  folders; the App Drawer is where you scroll through all installed apps (sans some custom behavior from your launcher).  I believe that's what Apple calls a "home screen", somewhat to my amusement.
 
2013-02-22 01:43:53 PM

Dokushin: theurge14: I really dig the freedom to download malware from all sorts of app repositories.

Ah, yes, any app not Approved by Apple is automatically full of malware.   Unclean, you might call it.  Anyone not Approved by Apple is untrustworthy, and you should be  prevented from installing their software on your phone, because there is  absolutely no such thing as a phone app without malware that's not Approved by Apple.

You must live in constant fear.


The whole Apple ecosystem is about making Grandma (or any non-geek, really) feel safe buying and using software.  Many of the measures taken toward that end also make Apple money (the app store, in-app purchases, etc.) but nearly all absolutely do improve the experience for typical users.

Grandma can't get an email telling her about this awesome iOS App that she should download, JUST CLICK HERE! and end up with a virus.  If an app asks for money for something, it has to do it openly and it can't take your credit card details directly.  Grandma doesn't biatch to her friends about how awful her iPhone is because the battery runs out in two hours and the (carrier-installed) messaging apps and browsers are pieces of shiat.  And so on.

There are good reasons for most of what Apple does, but all that many tech-savvy people can see is "zomg Apple hates users and loves money!"  Yes, you can't run a webserver on iOS.  Buy something else if that's what you want to use your phone for.
 
2013-02-22 01:52:16 PM
Apple's customer service has generally been awesome. They straight up replaced two of our iPhones when they really probably didn't have to (cracked screen from being dropped and broken backlight due to being dropped in water). I was really blown away and didn't think I'd ever switch, but two years later I finally decided to see what else was out there and I've been really, really impressed by how much better hardware and software there is on the Android side. The only thing irksome has been customer service, but even going through AT&T wasn't to awful.
 
2013-02-22 01:52:50 PM
I see "Apple is only cool to people who have iProducts" has been covered.
The rest of us don't really give a fark and are not envious, so shut the fark up about how great your mobile map app is.
 
2013-02-22 01:52:57 PM

theurge14: For the last farking time, it's not about "being cool".  It's about having something that works exceptionally well.  Yes, there are always the handful of idiots who really do think it's just about a status symbol, but the rest of us are glad to use a product that doesn't suck balls in some major way.  Brand loyalty is built up over time when the whole "doesn't suck balls" thing is discovered to be true for a number of different products.

These "tech reporters" who write click-gathering articles like this aren't getting it.  "Cool factor" is not only factor here, or even the major one.  Otherwise all the products listed would've been chucked away and rejected by people long ago.  iPods have been around for 12 years now.  iPhone has been around for 6 and more or less looks about the same.  The current Macbook form factor has been around for about 7 years.  Same with the iMac line.  "Cool factor" doesn't apply to that sort of timeline.


It's funny that after so many years, you still linger to this.

Apple products aren't as "exceptional" as you want to believe, and that's the problem...

For some people, they work fine, and are the right choice for them.  For others, it simply isn't.

I know many with Apple devices from iPhones to their home machine, and all of them tend to be "I love my Apple stuff so much, it's the greatest thing ever, every thing else is crap."

Problem is... I also hear them talk about trouble they have, things that they can't do, or can't do easily, things breaking down, etc.

I know that you'll come back... "exceptional doesn't mean flawless" or something... but the irritant is that this is all anyone that doesn't care for Apple products have to deal with... over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  (get the point?)

I have many devices and machines that "don't suck balls" but I don't rant about them, I'll discuss them if someone asked, or use them as an example of a relevant topic, but with Apple users... I could speak about road kill and they try to weasel a way to talk about their Apple product.

The number of people that went and got Apple product simply because it's "the cool thing to have" is very high.

Personally, I think that the iPhone and iPad are very nice devices, not nice enough that I'd get them as I refuse to install iTunes and/nor will ever want Apple to get a single penny from me as I just don't believe in that company's ethics and mentality.

What if comes down to, is that Apple monopolized society with the "coolness" factor to sell and it worked, that you want to accept this or not, it is the reality.  It pushed itself to be endorsed as the machine to have, as, the problem is, when each of their devices came out, there always was an alternative, most times, quite superior, but lacked the vision and the push that Steve managed to get out and sell his brand.

You should appreciate this as otherwise Apple would not have survived.(and this is completely Job's doing)  He's gone and it does have a serious impact on Apple's survival at this point... they need to prove themselves to be more than Steve's ship without a captain, but so far, it's not looking all that great.

Apple has been a great wake-up call for the technological field and it pushed everyone to push harder or sink (and many did).

But still, Apple is able to have stable devices due to the strictness that they have within their approach, and it works great for them, but it's not for everyone, and many just go with it because they don't know better, aren't inclined to look for anything more than the media feeds them.

And yes..."cool" lifespans isn't about the device itself, just the brand name is enough...

Look at Coke and Pepsi, and any other example of brand battle... if a company's brand gets tainted, it's hard to recover, it's their biggest asset.

Apple could come out with an absolute piece of crap, and still, many Apple fans would defend it to the death... and that's the point... it wouldn't be about quality, but about defending the brand that they feel linked to, attached in a very unhealthy way.
 
2013-02-22 01:57:05 PM

Endive Wombat: I would like to see apple take a stab at the DSLR market.  I mean really, you've only got 2 choices when it comes to cameras - Nikon and Canon.  In reflecting back on their track record over the last say 10 years, I think that they could do it well.

Although everything from the raw file formats, to the connectors, to the types of memory cards it uses, to tripod mounts will all be proprietary, unique, and unnecessarily expensive.


I was going to say that if you really think that there's only Canon and Nikon as the choice for DSLR, you need to read more before making such a limited comment, but odds are, you're not a camera/photography person and the points would be moot.
 
2013-02-22 01:57:57 PM

fallingcow: Mikey1969: They also don't have an app drawer, your apps have to be on one of your screens

They do.

*presses and holds an app*

*drags it to another app*

*names new drawer*


Ooooooh! A folder!! That's almost as innovative as Apple implying that they have invented noise cancellation...

Yeah, I've had folders the whole time, thanks.
 
2013-02-22 01:58:15 PM

fallingcow: Dokushin: theurge14: I really dig the freedom to download malware from all sorts of app repositories.

Ah, yes, any app not Approved by Apple is automatically full of malware.   Unclean, you might call it.  Anyone not Approved by Apple is untrustworthy, and you should be  prevented from installing their software on your phone, because there is  absolutely no such thing as a phone app without malware that's not Approved by Apple.

You must live in constant fear.

The whole Apple ecosystem is about making Grandma (or any non-geek, really) feel safe buying and using software.  Many of the measures taken toward that end also make Apple money (the app store, in-app purchases, etc.) but nearly all absolutely do improve the experience for typical users.

Grandma can't get an email telling her about this awesome iOS App that she should download, JUST CLICK HERE! and end up with a virus.  If an app asks for money for something, it has to do it openly and it can't take your credit card details directly.  Grandma doesn't biatch to her friends about how awful her iPhone is because the battery runs out in two hours and the (carrier-installed) messaging apps and browsers are pieces of shiat.  And so on.

There are good reasons for most of what Apple does, but all that many tech-savvy people can see is "zomg Apple hates users and loves money!"  Yes, you can't run a webserver on iOS.  Buy something else if that's what you want to use your phone for.


Makes me wonder if, as each generation is more technically savvy than the last, if Apple's "it just works, but only the one way we defined," schtick will just fizzle out. They've got decent reliability and build quality (which is nice considering how unserviceable they are), but I can't help but feel that their continued success is due to people too used to iOS to try anything else, "iPhone" being synonymous with smartphone because of how early they boomed.

Besides, it's pretty hard to be "fresh" in general when your product name ends with a 5.
 
2013-02-22 01:58:34 PM

fallingcow: Dokushin: theurge14: I really dig the freedom to download malware from all sorts of app repositories.

Ah, yes, any app not Approved by Apple is automatically full of malware.   Unclean, you might call it.  Anyone not Approved by Apple is untrustworthy, and you should be  prevented from installing their software on your phone, because there is  absolutely no such thing as a phone app without malware that's not Approved by Apple.

You must live in constant fear.

The whole Apple ecosystem is about making Grandma (or any non-geek, really) feel safe buying and using software.  Many of the measures taken toward that end also make Apple money (the app store, in-app purchases, etc.) but nearly all absolutely do improve the experience for typical users.

Grandma can't get an email telling her about this awesome iOS App that she should download, JUST CLICK HERE! and end up with a virus.  If an app asks for money for something, it has to do it openly and it can't take your credit card details directly.  Grandma doesn't biatch to her friends about how awful her iPhone is because the battery runs out in two hours and the (carrier-installed) messaging apps and browsers are pieces of shiat.  And so on.

There are good reasons for most of what Apple does, but all that many tech-savvy people can see is "zomg Apple hates users and loves money!"  Yes, you can't run a webserver on iOS.  Buy something else if that's what you want to use your phone for.


If your argument is that iOS exists to serve a market niche of people incapable of learning about "trust" then yes, I agree, there is a market for dumbed-down devices, just like on full-frame computing devices.  That's not what I hear, constantly, though -- what I hear is made-up nonsense about how Android sucks and has "two hour battery life" and so forth, whilst iOS is a panacea for the entire market.

My battery life (S3) is better than anyone I know with an iPhone 4/5, although that's almost completely dependent on usage and hence not useful as an anecdote.

Tell me, if you don't like the Apple messaging client or browser, what do you do?  I changed default browsers on my Android so I could have things like gestures and voice support.  Where's the disruptive development on the Apple platform?
 
2013-02-22 01:59:31 PM

Dokushin: fallingcow: Mikey1969: They also don't have an app drawer, your apps have to be on one of your screens

They do.

*presses and holds an app*

*drags it to another app*

*names new drawer*

People on Android (where this behavior was invented) call these  folders; the App Drawer is where you scroll through all installed apps (sans some custom behavior from your launcher).  I believe that's what Apple calls a "home screen", somewhat to my amusement.


Oh, is that what they call that?  I almost called it a folder in my description, but switched to your terminology because I thought that was what you were talking about.  Oops.

When did Android introduce folders?  iOS has had them since 4, and my Android 2.3 phone doesn't have 'em.

Personally, I hate drawer view (using the term correctly now, I think) and practically everything else about managing apps on my Android phone.  It's one more step between me and having my app where I want it.  Uninstalling especially takes probably 8-10x as long (since it takes like 4 seconds on iOS), assuming I can remember where the fark I have to go to uninstall things and don't have to fumble around for it, so I'm more reluctant to try out apps in the first place.  If I can remember the name of my app to browse for it alphabetically in the drawer, I can just search instead (on iOS).

I think it's gotten better on 4.x, but since they committed to those stupid always-on-screen menu buttons I'm not planning on upgrading to a 4.x phone, defecting for iOS instead.  I've got something very similar on my 2.3 phone in the form of touch-sensitive "buttons" under the screen glass but off the screen proper, and they're annoying as fark <i>without</i> taking up part of the screen, so I can only imagine how much they'd bug me if they were eating pixels, too.
 
kab
2013-02-22 02:00:27 PM

sp1dey73: Didn't read the article, nor do I care about "cool" (perks of getting older), but I'll share my opinion nonetheless...

I still think OSX is the best commercial operating system and I like MacBooks.  I'm still rocking a late 2008 pro thanks to a SSD I added last year.  Sure, I could get a newer faster model, but until this dies, it's good enough.  Unless OSX morphs into iOS on laptops, its eventual replacement will be another MacBook.

I have no interest in tablets, so no comment on ipads.

I'm on my second iphone (first was a 3s, now a 4s).  This market has changed a lot in the past year or two... my contract is up this year and I'm likely to switch.  I've played around with the iphone 5 and really like the camera on it (important feature to me), but iOS is incredibly stale at this point.  I'm sure there will be a 5s before my contract expires, but I'm more interested in how they overhaul iOS.  All I really would like would the ability to choose new default applications for Maps, Email, and Browser, more control over the homescreen (widgets and such), and allow me to delete unused apple apps!

Regarding Apple TV and rumored stuff... I currently use a Roku, and best I can see, the only thing (albeit nice feature) the apple TV offers is airplay or whatever it's called.  To me, all they need to do to improve this product and be a Roku killer is open it up to apps (Vudu, Amazon, PBS for example).  I sincerely hope they don't offer an actual TV or this stupid watch I keep hearing about.  Just focus on good hardware, better iterations of OSX and an iOS that actual catches up to native Android.  Sadly, I'm not sure that's the direction they are going.  Seems despite their earnings and profitability, the markets no longer see them as their darling and are souring to them.  That's an entirely other issue which is plaguing too many other public companies and stunting innovation over stock price.


Yep.  I own an iPod which, I will admit is a trooper, and handles all car audio duties.  I'm on my 2nd iPhone, which is now basically a dumb-phone on a pay as you go plan since my contract ended.  When it dies, it won't be replaced with another.

Zero interest in anything else the company makes, and I don't see that changing.
 
2013-02-22 02:03:41 PM

fallingcow: Dokushin: theurge14: I really dig the freedom to download malware from all sorts of app repositories.

Ah, yes, any app not Approved by Apple is automatically full of malware.   Unclean, you might call it.  Anyone not Approved by Apple is untrustworthy, and you should be  prevented from installing their software on your phone, because there is  absolutely no such thing as a phone app without malware that's not Approved by Apple.

You must live in constant fear.

The whole Apple ecosystem is about making Grandma (or any non-geek, really) feel safe buying and using software.  Many of the measures taken toward that end also make Apple money (the app store, in-app purchases, etc.) but nearly all absolutely do improve the experience for typical users.

Grandma can't get an email telling her about this awesome iOS App that she should download, JUST CLICK HERE! and end up with a virus.  If an app asks for money for something, it has to do it openly and it can't take your credit card details directly.  Grandma doesn't biatch to her friends about how awful her iPhone is because the battery runs out in two hours and the (carrier-installed) messaging apps and browsers are pieces of shiat.  And so on.

There are good reasons for most of what Apple does, but all that many tech-savvy people can see is "zomg Apple hates users and loves money!"  Yes, you can't run a webserver on iOS.  Buy something else if that's what you want to use your phone for.


Just call me Grandma because I don't want to have to run McAfee AV on my phone.
 
2013-02-22 02:08:45 PM

fallingcow: Personally, I hate drawer view (using the term correctly now, I think) and practically everything else about managing apps on my Android phone. It's one more step between me and having my app where I want it. Uninstalling especially takes probably 8-10x as long (since it takes like 4 seconds on iOS), assuming I can remember where the fark I have to go to uninstall things and don't have to fumble around for it, so I'm more reluctant to try out apps in the first place. If I can remember the name of my app to browse for it alphabetically in the drawer, I can just search instead (on iOS).


Trying to remember, does vanilla Android not have "long-click the app icon, click uninstall" mechanism or something? Alright, let's give this a try - looking at the app icon in the list of apps, aaaand... done in 6 seconds from first tap. 1/6 of the time was the initial long-click.

Apparently there is a search option in the apps panel. Again, not sure if in vanilla.
 
2013-02-22 02:12:24 PM

Dokushin: If your argument is that iOS exists to serve a market niche of people incapable of learning about "trust" then yes, I agree, there is a market for dumbed-down devices, just like on full-frame computing devices.  That's not what I hear, constantly, though -- what I hear is made-up nonsense about how Android sucks and has "two hour battery life" and so forth, whilst iOS is a panacea for the entire market.

My battery life (S3) is better than anyone I know with an iPhone 4/5, although that's almost completely dependent on usage and hence not useful as an anecdote.

Tell me, if you don't like the Apple messaging client or browser, what do you do?  I changed default browsers on my Android so I could have things like gestures and voice support.  Where's the disruptive development on the Apple platform?


I'm sure some Android devices have good battery life.  The Nexus 7, Samsung something-or-other, and the Acer Iconia tablets at work sure as fark don't, at least if you're used to Apple devices, which you can leave on over the weekend and only lose 3-4% charge by Monday.  But I'm sure some do.  Maybe the phones are better.

My point was that Grandma (or Little Susie Tweenager) can't install some stupid-ass app that phones home constantly and forces the GPS on and does all kinds of other crap that she doesn't actually want or need it to do, then think it's her phone's fault when she has to put her phone back on the charger by noon, if she's using an iPhone.  The one-store-to-rule-them-all model and restrictions on what apps can and can't do are there for reason other than (or in addition to) "Apple hates users and loves money".
 
2013-02-22 02:12:45 PM

Mikey1969: theurge14: I really dig the freedom to download malware from all sorts of app repositories.  Also the ability to root and put Cyanogen Mod on the phone is pretty tits, you know, to replace the boring default stuff on there.  Oh, can't forget Apple's arrogance in determining that the ability to put an animation as my default wallpaper is pretty offense, I mean, who are they to tell me I can't put a wallpaper on my phone that will eat my battery in 2 hours on there?

Apple's arrogance is the belief that if THEY didn't think of it first, then you obviously don't need it.


How did you come to that conclusion?

People jailbreak their iPhones all of the time, meaning that your snark regarding dropping the ROM for CM is pretty meaningless.

I'm sure we can throw anecdotes at each other all day, but I think we can both agree the notion that iPhones are jailbroken as much as Android is a bit much.

Wallpapers don't eat your battery in 2 hours, unless you're somehow mentally retarded enough to use a live wallpaper like a game for 2 hours straight.

I think you overestimate people.

In 3 years of owning Androids and rooting them, I have never loaded Malware, people are doing it wrong if they are.

I don't think it's a stretch to say that we on Fark are not most people.  The grand majority of the consuming public out there are different.  Whether Apple or anyone in the business of making the mobile computing devices that the world are switching to now are "evil" or "arrogant" for avoiding the virus and malware mess that has plagued PCs for decades, well that's up for debate.  Since I work on the IT side of things I'm of the opinion that the less people can screw up on their own devices the better.  Let the basement geeks rant about how terrible walled gardens are, if it saves me from another holiday spent at a family member's house removing Bonzai Buddy crap from Grandma's laptop then I'll gladly take it.
 
2013-02-22 02:14:17 PM
All I have to say is that every techie person I know uses an Android phone.
Most non-techie person uses an iPhone. The idea of customization and multiple buttons is too much for them. iPhone is ridiculously easy to use I'll give them that, just as a kettle is easy to use.

Personally I just love having to choose my own widgets and able to share files.
 
2013-02-22 02:14:31 PM

fallingcow: When did Android introduce folders?  iOS has had them since 4, and my Android 2.3 phone doesn't have 'em.


iOS 4 was 2010; here's a 2008 article on Android folders:

http://www.androidauthority.com/folders-on-the-android-desktop-and-h ow -to-rename-them-466/

fallingcow: I think it's gotten better on 4.x, but since they committed to those stupid always-on-screen menu buttons I'm not planning on upgrading to a 4.x phone, defecting for iOS instead.  I've got something very similar on my 2.3 phone in the form of touch-sensitive "buttons" under the screen glass but off the screen proper, and they're annoying as fark <i>without</i> taking up part of the screen, so I can only imagine how much they'd bug me if they were eating pixels, too.


Yeah, I'm not crazy about the soft buttons.  Watching where that goes with some skepticism (although I do like capacitive buttons below the screen so I don't need as much leverage to press them).  Meh.
 
2013-02-22 02:16:47 PM
i617.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-22 02:16:52 PM

Endive Wombat: Fair enough. I do think that Android does have a cleaner UI


Refreshing talk, thank you stranger.
 
2013-02-22 02:19:48 PM
ProfessorOhki: Trying to remember, does vanilla Android not have "long-click the app icon, click uninstall" mechanism or something

I think in older versions the stock launcher didn't, but they have it now.

// my stock nooklear (hacked nook color) didn't have it, but then I switched to ADW launcher, problem solved.
 
2013-02-22 02:20:08 PM

fallingcow: I'm sure some Android devices have good battery life.  The Nexus 7, Samsung something-or-other, and the Acer Iconia tablets at work sure as fark don't, at least if you're used to Apple devices, which you can leave on over the weekend and only lose 3-4% charge by Monday.  But I'm sure some do.  Maybe the phones are better.

My point was that Grandma (or Little Susie Tweenager) can't install some stupid-ass app that phones home constantly and forces the GPS on and does all kinds of other crap that she doesn't actually want or need it to do, then think it's her phone's fault when she has to put her phone back on the charger by noon, if she's using an iPhone.  The one-store-to-rule-them-all model and restrictions on what apps can and can't do are there for reason other than (or in addition to) "Apple hates users and loves money".


You're on target here; the battery issues on Android phones come from the wide model selection (from fifty bucks to six hundred) and from the wide-open multitasking model, which lets poorly-written apps continue to run in the background, doing all kinds of sundry things.  A little more user awareness is needed to get good battery life out of Android devices, which is a shame -- but I (and many Android users, I think) wouldn't have it any other way, since any other option reduces the potential uses of the phone (by restricting apps or multitasking).  Meh, it's a different product.

"iOS means you do whatever Apple says and just want to look cool" is roughly equal to "Android devices have malware and two hour battery", is what I'm saying.
 
2013-02-22 02:21:47 PM

theurge14: the virus and malware mess that has plagued PCs for decades


...and made PCs far and away the dominant computing platform?  Yeah, I'm sure no one wants a market like  that.
 
2013-02-22 02:22:29 PM
Hmmm... Apple went from being lead by:

A Visionary, Asshole perfectionist

img2u.info


to:

A whitebread, unimaginative logistics guy.

img2u.info

I think Apple's not done quite yet, but I don't think we'll see anything like the days Jobs was back in control. We'll probably see more fark-ups like the iOS6 Apple Maps fiasco, more "me, too" designs that are more afterthoughts, and a drop in interest by people who realize their idol is no longer alive and running things in Cupertino.

Apple's quality will probably remain high for a few more years, as it is a hallmark of the brand, but their declining ability to maintain profit margins in the face of competition will eventually turn the company into a more diversified version of RIM; a company many people will still like, but whose imprint on the world of technology is dwindling to a mere footnote in history.
 
2013-02-22 02:25:28 PM

ProfessorOhki: fallingcow: Personally, I hate drawer view (using the term correctly now, I think) and practically everything else about managing apps on my Android phone. It's one more step between me and having my app where I want it. Uninstalling especially takes probably 8-10x as long (since it takes like 4 seconds on iOS), assuming I can remember where the fark I have to go to uninstall things and don't have to fumble around for it, so I'm more reluctant to try out apps in the first place. If I can remember the name of my app to browse for it alphabetically in the drawer, I can just search instead (on iOS).

Trying to remember, does vanilla Android not have "long-click the app icon, click uninstall" mechanism or something? Alright, let's give this a try - looking at the app icon in the list of apps, aaaand... done in 6 seconds from first tap. 1/6 of the time was the initial long-click.

Apparently there is a search option in the apps panel. Again, not sure if in vanilla.


My 2.3 doesn't.  Click and drag lets me remove it from the screen, but on Android that's different from deleting.

Click and hold on the full app list (drawer?) lets me drag it to my actual screen, but that's it.

I think there's some damn app-management submenu about 5 clicks in that lets me browse a <i>different</i> list of all my apps, open up an info screen about them individually, and the delete them from there (if they're not locked by the vendor--I had this thing rooted until 2.3 finally got released for it about the time 4.1 came out, but haven't bothered to go through that process again because it really wasn't worth it)

Looks like there's finally a Cyanogenmod release for the Galaxy S 4G (which is apparently distinct and quite different from any other Galaxy S-series phone, and also kinda rare from what I gather) so maybe I should give that a try.

Or I'll just save myself an evening of dicking with my phone, live with this for now, and buy an iPhone 5 after the 6 or 5s or whatever gets announced, since this thing's getting kind of old anyway.  Only time will tell!
 
2013-02-22 02:26:16 PM

theurge14: fallingcow: Dokushin: theurge14: I really dig the freedom to download malware from all sorts of app repositories.

Ah, yes, any app not Approved by Apple is automatically full of malware.   Unclean, you might call it.  Anyone not Approved by Apple is untrustworthy, and you should be  prevented from installing their software on your phone, because there is  absolutely no such thing as a phone app without malware that's not Approved by Apple.

You must live in constant fear.

The whole Apple ecosystem is about making Grandma (or any non-geek, really) feel safe buying and using software.  Many of the measures taken toward that end also make Apple money (the app store, in-app purchases, etc.) but nearly all absolutely do improve the experience for typical users.

Grandma can't get an email telling her about this awesome iOS App that she should download, JUST CLICK HERE! and end up with a virus.  If an app asks for money for something, it has to do it openly and it can't take your credit card details directly.  Grandma doesn't biatch to her friends about how awful her iPhone is because the battery runs out in two hours and the (carrier-installed) messaging apps and browsers are pieces of shiat.  And so on.

There are good reasons for most of what Apple does, but all that many tech-savvy people can see is "zomg Apple hates users and loves money!"  Yes, you can't run a webserver on iOS.  Buy something else if that's what you want to use your phone for.

Just call me Grandma because I don't want to have to run McAfee AV on my phone.


You crave safety. You are a thumbsucker. You are less than human. Your every "original" thought is an act of hopeless self-delusion. Someday soon, god willing, some thoughtful person will cave in your windpipe with a Panasonic Toughbook and end the charade you call your existence.
 
2013-02-22 02:27:57 PM

serpent_sky: Endive Wombat: I was honestly considering an iPhone, but when I held it side by side with the other phones on the market, I just could not do it. The main reason I stuck with Android was because of screen size. To me at least, the iPhone screen is comically small by comparison to most of the other offerings out there running Android or Windows OSs. I ended up getting the Note 2 and love it. I will not go back to something smaller.

And the only reason I have an iPhone 4S is it seemed to be the last phone that wasn't comically huge to me.  I have small hands, and women's clothing isn't exactly known for its copious pocket space. I  didn't want a huge phone, and the iPhone was the smallest of the batch that do what I need/want a phone to do when my contract was up.

I was going to get an Android something or another because I like my boyfriend's phone and some of the customizations that he can do (like text sounds that aren't the same as everyone else in my office) but they looked like clown props to me. In less than a year, phones got way too big.

Seriously a case of to each one's own.


I guess you should ignore all the Android phones that are "normal" in size for you.  Considering Android is the land of options, I find it hard to believe that you couldn't find an Android phone that was a good fit for you in terms of size.  If you wiki "comparison of Android devices", it indicates there's a ton of phones from 2.5" to 5.5".

Incidentally, what are you going to do when the time to replace your current phone and you've invested money into the platform?  Force yourself to use the clown prop-sized i5?
 
kab
2013-02-22 02:30:19 PM

i upped my meds-up yours: You crave safety. You are a thumbsucker. You are less than human. Your every "original" thought is an act of hopeless self-delusion. Someday soon, god willing, some thoughtful person will cave in your windpipe with a Panasonic Toughbook and end the charade you call your existence.


And you're reading this in Gunnery Sargent Hartman's voice.
 
2013-02-22 02:31:30 PM
Well, I guess you could say a company might seem less cool when, to save money, it outsources to an foreign company with troublesome work ethics. The whole hoarding billions in cash reserves also reduces their cool points. Just a bit, you know.
 
2013-02-22 02:32:16 PM

ProfessorOhki: Trying to remember, does vanilla Android not have "long-click the app icon, click uninstall" mechanism or something? Alright, let's give this a try - looking at the app icon in the list of apps, aaaand... done in 6 seconds from first tap. 1/6 of the time was the initial long-click.

Apparently there is a search option in the apps panel. Again, not sure if in vanilla.


In Android 4.1+, if you open your app drawer and long-click an app icon, a little trash can icon appears and you can drag the app into the trash can.
 
2013-02-22 02:41:04 PM
Dokushin:

"iOS means you do whatever Apple says and just want to look cool" is roughly equal to "Android devices have malware and two hour battery", is what I'm saying.

Yeah, that's true.

I'm hoping Google takes more direct control over Android to at least keep the devices from sucking out-of-the-box (thanks to the carriers) and requiring effort and knowledge to just make them not suck, let alone do anything special.  At least get rid of the "I had to install Cyanogenmod to get my brand new phone to survive a whole day without charging" factor or "oh, 4.1 is out?  Hey look, an update for my phone to 2.3!" crap that the carriers have been pulling.  A big chunk of what sucks about Android is the carriers.
 
2013-02-22 02:51:03 PM

kab: i upped my meds-up yours: You crave safety. You are a thumbsucker. You are less than human. Your every "original" thought is an act of hopeless self-delusion. Someday soon, god willing, some thoughtful person will cave in your windpipe with a Panasonic Toughbook and end the charade you call your existence.

And you're reading this in Gunnery Sargent Hartman's voice.


I read everything in Gunnery Sergeant Hartman's voice.

/If it doesn't sound right, I stop reading.
//Then I go break things.
 
2013-02-22 02:54:56 PM
t3.gstatic.com
You want 'cool?'
Retro is cool

Battery last for three days
You can throw it at a dog
No pics, texting sucks, no email

If you want to call me, call me
or not
 
2013-02-22 02:59:09 PM

tinyarena: [t3.gstatic.com image 225x225]


If you want to call me, call me
or not


Calling someone is so disruptive. "hey, I don't know what you're doing but whatever it is stop doing it and talk to me!"
Unless it is an emergency just send me a txt or email I'll get back to you.
 
2013-02-22 02:59:10 PM

tinyarena: [t3.gstatic.com image 225x225]
You want 'cool?'
Retro is cool

Battery last for three days
You can throw it at a dog
No pics, texting sucks, no email

If you want to call me, call me
or not


Amen, mine can sometimes go a week without needing a charge and it costs me virtually nothing to maintain it.  Mind you I pretty much never use it any ways but screw this keeping up with the jones phones and all the ridiculous bullshiat surrounding them.  People are free to pay sometimes $100/month for three years plus a few hundred for the phones, I'll happily spend that money on more important things like beer, whores and blackjack.
 
2013-02-22 03:05:39 PM

DirkValentine: I've been using Windows on my Lumia 920 for the past 3 months.  It's fast, extremely user friendly and all around badass.

Just wanted to throw that out there.


And talk about a clean interface!
 
2013-02-22 03:05:52 PM

imfallen_angel: Endive Wombat: I would like to see apple take a stab at the DSLR market.  I mean really, you've only got 2 choices when it comes to cameras - Nikon and Canon.  In reflecting back on their track record over the last say 10 years, I think that they could do it well.

Although everything from the raw file formats, to the connectors, to the types of memory cards it uses, to tripod mounts will all be proprietary, unique, and unnecessarily expensive.
-------

I was going to say that if you really think that there's only Canon and Nikon as the choice for DSLR, you need to read more before making such a limited comment, but odds are, you're not a camera/photography person and the points would be moot.


^this, and btw, DSLRs are failrly complex electro-mechanical systems -- not some bandwagon a random tech company can just hop on.
 
2013-02-22 03:09:58 PM

Marine1: They need somethin', that's for sure. Apple hasn't done anything innovative in quite a while.


hmm, ok, i'll bite. what has samsung done that's innovative?
 
2013-02-22 03:20:13 PM

finnished: DirkValentine: I've been using Windows on my Lumia 920 for the past 3 months.  It's fast, extremely user friendly and all around badass.

Just wanted to throw that out there.

And talk about a clean interface!


that's a big deal. It's very nice. I'm pretty impressed.
 
2013-02-22 03:22:23 PM
So the public's finally waking up to the fact that spending 25% more for electronics so you can blend in at Starbucks might be silly after all?
 
2013-02-22 03:25:21 PM

LesserEvil: I think Apple's not done quite yet, but I don't think we'll see anything like the days Jobs was back in control.


The products remain pretty much the same as they always have. The only things Jobs brought to Apple was the ability to manipulate the public. Without that people are slowly seeing the products for what they are.
 
2013-02-22 03:27:15 PM

shiate: Marine1: They need somethin', that's for sure. Apple hasn't done anything innovative in quite a while.

hmm, ok, i'll bite. what has samsung done that's innovative?


convinced people that "phablet" is a real product?
 
2013-02-22 03:29:34 PM

fallingcow: ProfessorOhki: fallingcow: Personally, I hate drawer view (using the term correctly now, I think) and practically everything else about managing apps on my Android phone. It's one more step between me and having my app where I want it. Uninstalling especially takes probably 8-10x as long (since it takes like 4 seconds on iOS), assuming I can remember where the fark I have to go to uninstall things and don't have to fumble around for it, so I'm more reluctant to try out apps in the first place. If I can remember the name of my app to browse for it alphabetically in the drawer, I can just search instead (on iOS).

Trying to remember, does vanilla Android not have "long-click the app icon, click uninstall" mechanism or something? Alright, let's give this a try - looking at the app icon in the list of apps, aaaand... done in 6 seconds from first tap. 1/6 of the time was the initial long-click.

Apparently there is a search option in the apps panel. Again, not sure if in vanilla.

My 2.3 doesn't.  Click and drag lets me remove it from the screen, but on Android that's different from deleting.

Click and hold on the full app list (drawer?) lets me drag it to my actual screen, but that's it.

I think there's some damn app-management submenu about 5 clicks in that lets me browse a <i>different</i> list of all my apps, open up an info screen about them individually, and the delete them from there (if they're not locked by the vendor--I had this thing rooted until 2.3 finally got released for it about the time 4.1 came out, but haven't bothered to go through that process again because it really wasn't worth it)

Looks like there's finally a Cyanogenmod release for the Galaxy S 4G (which is apparently distinct and quite different from any other Galaxy S-series phone, and also kinda rare from what I gather) so maybe I should give that a try.

Or I'll just save myself an evening of dicking with my phone, live with this for now, and buy an iPhone 5 after the 6 or 5s o ...


Ah. Yeah, I'm still using 2.3.7, but ThunderShed. Delicious delicious CM.
 
2013-02-22 03:32:09 PM

Carth: shiate: Marine1: They need somethin', that's for sure. Apple hasn't done anything innovative in quite a while.

hmm, ok, i'll bite. what has samsung done that's innovative?

convinced people that "phablet" is a real product?


heh.  and they say that apple is all about marketing.  see samsung's $~12B marketing spending vs. apple's $1B.

www.asymco.com
 
2013-02-22 03:34:02 PM

shiate: and they say that apple is all about marketing. see samsung's $~12B marketing spending vs. apple's $1B.


You can't just throw money at marketing to make it better. It's all about using psychology, which Jobs was a master at.
 
2013-02-22 03:36:43 PM

shiate: Carth: shiate: Marine1: They need somethin', that's for sure. Apple hasn't done anything innovative in quite a while.

hmm, ok, i'll bite. what has samsung done that's innovative?

convinced people that "phablet" is a real product?

heh.  and they say that apple is all about marketing.  see samsung's $~12B marketing spending vs. apple's $1B.

[www.asymco.com image 850x322]


At least Samsung products don't attempt to prey on weak people's desire for ease of use and "safety." They recognize that the internet is a man's business, and that men are willing to take on the risks of virii and blue screens of death. For that, AFAIC, they could spend $12 trillion a year on marketing and not have to be called to account for it.
 
2013-02-22 03:45:06 PM
.

i upped my meds-up yours: At least Samsung products don't attempt to prey on weak people's desire for ease of use and "safety." They recognize that the internet is a man's business, and that men are willing to take on the risks of virii and blue screens of death


This may be the dumbest thing ever posted on fark.  Or poe's law, I can't tell which.
 
2013-02-22 03:48:02 PM

bingethinker: That's it, shills and brainwashed losers! Keep repeating this propaganda and eventually that will make it true.

/I think I just sprained something rolling my eyes


i18.photobucket.com
Black-Nosed Buddha

A nun who was searching for enlightenment made a statue of Buddha and covered it with gold leaf. Wherever she went she carried this golden Buddha with her.
Years passed and, still carrying her Buddha, the nun came to live in a small temple in a country where there were many Buddhas, each one with its own particular shrine.
The nun wished to burn incense before her golden Buddha. Not liking the idea of the perfume straying to the others, she devised a funnel through which the smoke would ascend only to her statue. This blackened the nose of the golden Buddha, making it especially ugly.
 
2013-02-22 03:48:10 PM

i upped my meds-up yours: At least Samsung products don't attempt to prey on weak people's desire for ease of use and "safety." They recognize that the internet is a man's business, and that men are willing to take on the risks of virii and blue screens of death. For that, AFAIC, they could spend $12 trillion a year on marketing and not have to be called to account for it.



Yeah!..........
s20.postimage.org
 
2013-02-22 03:50:03 PM
shiate : heh. and they say that apple is all about marketing. see samsung's $~12B marketing spending vs. apple's $1B.

What products does "Samsung Electronics" include?

If it includes all of the products that are produced by the Samsung Electronics division, then I would expect a larger marketing budget because Apple doesn't make Televisions, Digital Cameras or Washing Machines.
 
2013-02-22 03:53:24 PM

i upped my meds-up yours: At least Samsung products don't attempt to prey on weak people's desire for ease of use and "safety." They recognize that the internet is a man's business, and that men are willing to take on the risks of virii and blue screens of death. For that, AFAIC, they could spend $12 trillion a year on marketing and not have to be called to account for it.


Wow... That is seriously impressive.
 
2013-02-22 03:58:50 PM
dl.dropbox.com
 
2013-02-22 04:16:20 PM
If I wanted a phone with an interface that looked like it was designed 6 years ago, I'd get an iPhone.

(And if I wanted a phone with an interface that looked like it was designed 16 years ago, I'd get a Windows Phone.)
 
2013-02-22 04:32:52 PM

elchip: If I wanted a phone with an interface that looked like it was designed 6 years ago, I'd get an iPhone.

(And if I wanted a phone with an interface that looked like it was designed 16 years ago, I'd get a Windows Phone.)


Hey the interface of the Windows Phone is pretty slick.  I actually miss it now that I have my S3 but it's only because I was so used to how it was.  It's intergration was very nice, as much as I hate Zune, Keis can't hold a candle to it.  How the hell can't it sync right is beyond me, for pictures and videos.  I tell it to sync but it doesn't, I have the sync when Keis opens but nothing.  All that it is good for is making a backup and even that is garbage you can't take a phone image with the software unlike Zune which will.

Hate WP all you want but they do have a good platform and good software to go with it.
 
2013-02-22 04:44:18 PM

servlet: i upped my meds-up yours: At least Samsung products don't attempt to prey on weak people's desire for ease of use and "safety." They recognize that the internet is a man's business, and that men are willing to take on the risks of virii and blue screens of death. For that, AFAIC, they could spend $12 trillion a year on marketing and not have to be called to account for it.

Wow... That is seriously impressive.


Thank you. Brutal honesty sometimes must ignore mere facts.
 
kab
2013-02-22 04:50:14 PM

elchip: If I wanted a phone with an interface that looked like it was designed 6 years ago, I'd get an iPhone.

(And if I wanted a phone with an interface that looked like it was designed 16 years ago, I'd get a Windows Phone.)


Is my phone's interface as current as it should be?

God, these are truly worrisome times to live in.
 
2013-02-22 04:50:35 PM

woodstock827: All I have to say is that every techie person I know uses an Android phone.


I know a lot of techie people that use an iPhone.
Not all techie people want to be techie with their phone.

I use an Android phone, mostly for the larger screen, but I do appreciate the ability to customize the phone to my liking.
 
2013-02-22 04:52:49 PM

shiate: Marine1: They need somethin', that's for sure. Apple hasn't done anything innovative in quite a while.

hmm, ok, i'll bite. what has samsung done that's innovative?


I'm not saying Samsung is, just that Apple isn't.

/though the split-screen apps thing is sorta neat, I guess.
 
2013-02-22 05:18:52 PM

lordargent: shiate : heh. and they say that apple is all about marketing. see samsung's $~12B marketing spending vs. apple's $1B.

What products does "Samsung Electronics" include?

If it includes all of the products that are produced by the Samsung Electronics division, then I would expect a larger marketing budget because Apple doesn't make Televisions, Digital Cameras or Washing Machines.


Google's advertising division actually MAKES money, so clearly they spend negative money on marketing.
 
2013-02-22 05:20:25 PM

shiate: Marine1: They need somethin', that's for sure. Apple hasn't done anything innovative in quite a while.

hmm, ok, i'll bite. what has samsung done that's innovative?


Aside from selling 10 million phablets, segmented curved phone screen, the curved OLED monitor, washing machine that lets your phone know the load is done, etc. etc.
 
2013-02-22 05:35:12 PM
waterrockets:

Aside from selling 10 million phablets,
selling things is innovation?  it took 10 months to sell 10 million galaxy notes, meanwhile apple sold 47 million iphones last quarter alone.  apple is innovating!

segmented curved phone screen, the curved OLED monitor,
concept only, let me know when they get it to production.  as of now it's vaporware.

 washing machine that lets your phone know the load is done, etc. etc.
putting wifi in your washer is innovation?  i'm not sure you know what innovation is, but keep trying.
 
2013-02-22 05:50:15 PM

shiate: waterrockets:

Aside from selling 10 million phablets,
selling things is innovation?  it took 10 months to sell 10 million galaxy notes, meanwhile apple sold 47 million iphones last quarter alone.  apple is innovating!

segmented curved phone screen, the curved OLED monitor,
concept only, let me know when they get it to production.  as of now it's vaporware.

 washing machine that lets your phone know the load is done, etc. etc.
putting wifi in your washer is innovation?  i'm not sure you know what innovation is, but keep trying.


Yeah! If they'd bought a company that made voice recognition software and bundled that with their washer, now THAT would be innovation.
 
2013-02-22 06:25:13 PM
I use my droid to toubleshoot by friend's iPhones
 
2013-02-22 06:46:07 PM

Marine1: I'm not saying Samsung is, just that Apple isn't.


then why is apple the only company that needs to innovate?  why doesn't samsung need to?
 
2013-02-22 07:05:26 PM

shiate: Marine1: I'm not saying Samsung is, just that Apple isn't.

then why is apple the only company that needs to innovate?  why doesn't samsung need to?


Apple is supposed to be the one that does all of that. We've been hearing about the Apple TV (not their little set-top box, an actual TV) for months now, and there's nothing that's come of it. The iPad and iPad Mini are nice... but for less, I can get an Android tablet that does the same thing, or for just a little more, I can get a Windows 8 tablet that will do a LOT more. The iPhone has, spec-wise, fallen behind its Android and Windows Phone competition. I think consumers are getting to the point where they see tablets as more "mature" devices, and for me at least, the iPad just won't cut it anymore. They've created markets with the iPhone and iPad, which is what they have done historically, but Apple has only once been good at defending a market that it created (iTunes), and they just aren't the only fish in the bowl here.

They really need someone who's got the inspirational spark of Steve Jobs again... preferably without the douchebaggery this time, but I won't hold my breath. Cook just doesn't have it in him.
 
2013-02-22 07:10:37 PM
It`s threads like that that really makes me enjoy my Palm Pre2 phone a lot more....

/I'm so radical
 
2013-02-22 07:49:50 PM

ProfessorOhki: shiate: waterrockets:

Aside from selling 10 million phablets,
selling things is innovation?  it took 10 months to sell 10 million galaxy notes, meanwhile apple sold 47 million iphones last quarter alone.  apple is innovating!

segmented curved phone screen, the curved OLED monitor,
concept only, let me know when they get it to production.  as of now it's vaporware.

 washing machine that lets your phone know the load is done, etc. etc.
putting wifi in your washer is innovation?  i'm not sure you know what innovation is, but keep trying.

Yeah! If they'd bought a company that made voice recognition software and bundled that with their washer, now THAT would be innovation.


"Scrubbi! Are my panties dry?"
 
2013-02-22 08:41:54 PM

jso2897: ProfessorOhki: shiate: waterrockets:

Aside from selling 10 million phablets,
selling things is innovation?  it took 10 months to sell 10 million galaxy notes, meanwhile apple sold 47 million iphones last quarter alone.  apple is innovating!

segmented curved phone screen, the curved OLED monitor,
concept only, let me know when they get it to production.  as of now it's vaporware.

 washing machine that lets your phone know the load is done, etc. etc.
putting wifi in your washer is innovation?  i'm not sure you know what innovation is, but keep trying.

Yeah! If they'd bought a company that made voice recognition software and bundled that with their washer, now THAT would be innovation.

"Scrubbi! Are my panties dry?"


Rooted version: "Not for long, user~"
 
2013-02-22 10:24:25 PM

serpent_sky: Endive Wombat: I was honestly considering an iPhone, but when I held it side by side with the other phones on the market, I just could not do it. The main reason I stuck with Android was because of screen size. To me at least, the iPhone screen is comically small by comparison to most of the other offerings out there running Android or Windows OSs. I ended up getting the Note 2 and love it. I will not go back to something smaller.

And the only reason I have an iPhone 4S is it seemed to be the last phone that wasn't comically huge to me.  I have small hands, and women's clothing isn't exactly known for its copious pocket space. I  didn't want a huge phone, and the iPhone was the smallest of the batch that do what I need/want a phone to do when my contract was up.

I was going to get an Android something or another because I like my boyfriend's phone and some of the customizations that he can do (like text sounds that aren't the same as everyone else in my office) but they looked like clown props to me. In less than a year, phones got way too big.

Seriously a case of to each one's own.


I have little baby hands and I used to think the same way until I actually got a new phone. I went from a tiny ass flip phone to a phone that's roughly the size of a iphone 5. You get used to it in about thirty minutes and the screen real estate is amazing. I almost won't even use my wife's iphone 4 because it's so tiny.
 
2013-02-22 10:27:38 PM

Dissociater: theurge14: For the last farking time, it's not about "being cool".  It's about having something that works exceptionally well.  Yes, there are always the handful of idiots who really do think it's just about a status symbol, but the rest of us are glad to use a product that doesn't suck balls in some major way.  Brand loyalty is built up over time when the whole "doesn't suck balls" thing is discovered to be true for a number of different products.

These "tech reporters" who write click-gathering articles like this aren't getting it.  "Cool factor" is not only factor here, or even the major one.  Otherwise all the products listed would've been chucked away and rejected by people long ago.  iPods have been around for 12 years now.  iPhone has been around for 6 and more or less looks about the same.  The current Macbook form factor has been around for about 7 years.  Same with the iMac line.  "Cool factor" doesn't apply to that sort of timeline.

I'd buy that if the average person put in any sort of thought or research into figuring out the best product for them instead of just what's on TV the most.


Who cares? Phones are all basically the same now, except for some silly stats that only about 3% of users actually care about or will even utilize to the fullest extent.
 
2013-02-22 10:32:19 PM
Tim Cook's Apple hasn't released anything yet that's obviously anti-What Would Steve Do. Past example: the Macintosh II, which began development deliberately hidden from Jobs and was released a couple years after he'd been ousted.

Apple is starting to look risk-averse. Steve Jobs launched some bombs:  (iPod Hi-Fi, Power Mac G4 Cube, buttonless version of iPod shuffle). Apple needs to show it's trying stuff and not afraid to fail.
 
2013-02-23 01:04:27 AM
I have three iPhones on my desk...they are all paperweights.
 
2013-02-23 02:16:38 AM
upload.wikimedia.org
"What is this I'm hearing about Apple?"
 
2013-02-23 04:18:28 AM

Lexx: farkeruk: The last decade for Apple is, more than anything, about electronic components getting good enough that they could go portable. Where Apple made it's money was on being at the forefront of what was going on with that.

The problem for Apple is the same one that hit camera manufacturers a few years ago: eventually you hit a point that the stuff does pretty much what people want it to do. No-one much cares about what the cutting-edge is doing, because the utility value of a 15mp camera over an 8mp one is about nil. If you drop your camera and break it, you'll like that you can now get a 15mp one, but most people aren't going to throw out an 8mp one. And even then, a lot of them will find

I've just had a contract renewal and it's the first ever that I've not gone for an upgrade, and instead opted for a discount on my phone contract and I'm keeping my Nexus S. Sure, it ain't as nippy as a Galaxy S3, but I'll trade waiting an extra 2 seconds for an app to open for £15/month.

I don't know about you but after 2 years, my mobile devices have a fraction of their original battery life and are falling apart due to repeated drops.  Combine battery losses, wear & tear, and app store games requiring higher-end specs, and you get a constant need of refreshed devices.  I'm not even taking into account the current work/research into augmented reality apps and Google Glass & similar products, which really will be the future.


I don`t know about you but I have a couple of spare batteries. They are handy if you go out or abroad a lot. My battery life is about 3-4 days in total before I need to find a power outlet. I haven`t found the limits of my current phone so I don`t see the need to upgrade and have limits I am not experiencing that are further away. The future will be more apparent (and slightly cheaper) once it is a little in the past...
 
2013-02-23 07:32:10 AM

Shakin_Haitian: Dissociater: theurge14: For the last farking time, it's not about "being cool".  It's about having something that works exceptionally well.  Yes, there are always the handful of idiots who really do think it's just about a status symbol, but the rest of us are glad to use a product that doesn't suck balls in some major way.  Brand loyalty is built up over time when the whole "doesn't suck balls" thing is discovered to be true for a number of different products.

These "tech reporters" who write click-gathering articles like this aren't getting it.  "Cool factor" is not only factor here, or even the major one.  Otherwise all the products listed would've been chucked away and rejected by people long ago.  iPods have been around for 12 years now.  iPhone has been around for 6 and more or less looks about the same.  The current Macbook form factor has been around for about 7 years.  Same with the iMac line.  "Cool factor" doesn't apply to that sort of timeline.

I'd buy that if the average person put in any sort of thought or research into figuring out the best product for them instead of just what's on TV the most.

Who cares? Phones are all basically the same now, except for some silly stats that only about 3% of users actually care about or will even utilize to the fullest extent.


Something dumb that I see people do is fixate on one model of phone they want, and go out and choose a carrier because they feature that phone. I live in Venice, CA, and the alley behind my house is perpetually full of hipsters shouting into their supercool smartphones that don't work because their carrier is shiat..
 
2013-02-23 09:19:46 AM
When was Apple EVER cool?
 
2013-02-23 10:05:51 AM

TNel: elchip: If I wanted a phone with an interface that looked like it was designed 6 years ago, I'd get an iPhone.

(And if I wanted a phone with an interface that looked like it was designed 16 years ago, I'd get a Windows Phone.)

Hey the interface of the Windows Phone is pretty slick.  I actually miss it now that I have my S3 but it's only because I was so used to how it was.  It's intergration was very nice, as much as I hate Zune, Keis can't hold a candle to it.  How the hell can't it sync right is beyond me, for pictures and videos.  I tell it to sync but it doesn't, I have the sync when Keis opens but nothing.  All that it is good for is making a backup and even that is garbage you can't take a phone image with the software unlike Zune which will.

Hate WP all you want but they do have a good platform and good software to go with it.


List of launchers that emulate WP
 
2013-02-23 12:09:54 PM
Since when did fark care about feebs and the elderly?
 
2013-02-23 12:23:17 PM
Meh. Use what you like.

It is hard to deny, given Apple's history, that losing Jobs is a serious problem.
 
2013-02-23 12:56:03 PM

BumpInTheNight: tinyarena: [t3.gstatic.com image 225x225]
You want 'cool?'
Retro is cool

Battery last for three days
You can throw it at a dog
No pics, texting sucks, no email

If you want to call me, call me
or not

Amen, mine can sometimes go a week without needing a charge and it costs me virtually nothing to maintain it.  Mind you I pretty much never use it any ways but screw this keeping up with the jones phones and all the ridiculous bullshiat surrounding them.  People are free to pay sometimes $100/month for three years plus a few hundred for the phones, I'll happily spend that money on more important things like beer, whores and blackjack.


Ugh, that used to be me.  I was stubbornly proud of my slightly-better-than-Amish communication capabilities.

I upgraded when my ancient, shiatty Motorola flip phone (no camera, no external LCD, no speakerphone, with a stubby little antenna) finally expired last year.

Now if my brain and hands are not otherwise occupied, I have an annoying compulsion to check my email and Fark.  It took me a while to get used to having to charge the phone daily or risk running down the battery.

Buying a smartphone is like having kids - I can't imagine what life was like before, and I can't really say I regret doing it, but life is somewhat more complicated now and certainly more expensive.

So... don't do it!  Hold on to that Luddite phone as long as you can!
 
2013-02-24 03:06:16 AM
How cool can you be when your computers are built for children and can't run anything a real computer can run? And your phones are so dumbed down retarded grandma has one, while the cheap korean knockoff phone at a third of the price has the features the iphone won't be seeing for another 3 iterations if ever? lol
 
2013-02-24 08:21:01 AM

theurge14: Mikey1969: theurge14:
Scroll text smoothly, for instance?  Or have the OS updated in a timely manner without waiting years for the carrier to do something about it.

I really dig the freedom to download malware from all sorts of app repositories.  Also the ability to root and put Cyanogen Mod on the phone is pretty tits, you know, to replace the boring default stuff on there.  Oh, can't forget Apple's arrogance in determining that the ability to put an animation as my default wallpaper is pretty offense, I mean, who are they to tell me I can't put a wallpaper on my phone that will eat my battery in 2 hours on there?


I'm not one to take sides in this debate, got the gf an iphone 4s for her bday last summer and she's pretty happy with it, I use it from time to time.

But I recently got a Nexus 4 android phone and none of the things you're referring to are an issue. I don't know what "scroll text smoothly" means but I can read things easily when scrolling fast or slow on webpages and lists. The OS was just updated last week actually, 3 days after Google announced the rollout. I've never rooted and don't care about that but the fact that people being able to customize with ROMs  if they desire tois somehow a negative in your mind is pretty funny.  If you have 2 braincells to rub together you can avoid malware easily, in the same way that most people know not to click on email links from nigerian princes. And the phone came with an animated wallpaper and I charge the thing overnight every other night with pretty regular usage at work that is about 10x longer than 2 hours... it also takes a millisecond to long press the screen and click 'change wallpaper' to a static image.

Got nothing against Apple but your arguments don't really hold water, just because Apple decided choice was a bad thing doesn't make it so. No one forces you to operate on those available options like ROMs, You act like buying an Android forces you to do any of that, like if using Linux forced you to use a command line 24/7 for the rest of time. Different strokes for different folks, both OS's are fine and brand soldiers are just doing themselves a disservice pretending Apple/Google is shiat just because they just gave some money to Google/Apple.
 
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