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2013-02-22 08:55:00 AM  
Apple has only had its 'cool' in the last few years. In the 80s and 90s they were owned exclusively by people who thought those knitted jumpers their grandma gave them for Christmas, with the 'snazzy' patterns were really 'neat'.
 
2013-02-22 09:11:35 AM  
30 million iPhone Lemmings marching of the cliff: Lemmings
 
2013-02-22 09:16:03 AM  
Apple was cool when it was fringe

Now its mainstream and it is no longer as prestigious as it once was. I mean, why would a rich man buy a Rolls Royce if anyone on the street could own one? A Rolls Royce is a big "fark you I'm rich" car
 
2013-02-22 09:50:04 AM  
The iPhone user became decidedly less cool when it became the phone that your parents want.
 
2013-02-22 09:50:58 AM  

RexTalionis: The iPhone user became decidedly less cool when it became the phone that your parents want.


FTFM
 
2013-02-22 10:12:47 AM  

hinten: 30 million iPhone Lemmings marching of the cliff: Lemmings


Don't tease me.
 
2013-02-22 10:19:20 AM  

RexTalionis: The iPhone user became decidedly less cool when it became the phone that your grandparents want.

 
2013-02-22 10:23:10 AM  

RexTalionis: The iPhone user became decidedly less cool when it became the phone that your parents want.


Is he wearing skinny jeans still?  This is important.
 
2013-02-22 10:24:55 AM  
The article got one thing decidedly right, while there has been an iPhone killer, there are a lot of phones that live alongside it just fine.

On a similar note, if Google could wrestle more control of their OS from the wireless companies and get some standardization going, the Android experience would only get better. Seriously, there are so many people running Gingerbread on phones that can handle much, much more that it's not even funny. I'm looking at you AT&T and your months-late updates to "flagship" phones.
 
2013-02-22 10:32:14 AM  
The real reason, no completely new products, no compelling reason to upgrade the iPhone, and changing the nearly decade old proprietary connector to a different proprietary connecter.
 
2013-02-22 10:41:53 AM  

Tom_Slick: The real reason, no completely new products, no compelling reason to upgrade the iPhone, and changing the nearly decade old proprietary connector to a different proprietary connecter.


I was honestly considering an iPhone, but when I held it side by side with the other phones on the market, I just could not do it.  The main reason I stuck with Android was because of screen size.  To me at least, the iPhone screen is comically small by comparison to most of the other offerings out there running Android or Windows OSs.  I ended up getting the Note 2 and love it.  I will not go back to something smaller.
 
2013-02-22 10:42:53 AM  
My first computer (that I was allowed to use) was a Mac in the 80s. Following that I was hard core Mac/Apple to about 2k1, then I switched job types and Apple just did not cut it anymore. It had nothing to do with computing power or anything, but with the availability of software and the quality of the software that I needed (I am not a graphics person). Anyway, I bungled with Win and such and finally got an Android phone. Every now and again I get to play with an iPhone, iPad or other Apple device and it is fairly obvious the advantage on many levels. However, as a person who is not into the "show-off factor" of having the latest and greatest nor do I want to be the Apple Fan Boy anymore, the attraction is just not there. So I stick with the other options and plug along just fine.

I think Apple has lost a bit of its luster as of the last few years, but the company is also at a point where they (at least in the past decade), came out with a new "game changer" of an item, so I am not counting them out. Certainly with loss of Jobs, the company does not have that obsessive direction that it seemed to. Instead of new groundbreaking toys, the last couple of years seem to have been more of a period of refinement of existing products. They are due another big jump and it is going to be interesting to see if the Post-Jobs Apple has the chops it did before. Certainly Apple has a lot going for it and is an amazing innovator. Time will tell though if they can keep the pace of the last 10 years.

So yeah, Apple has lost some of its cool, but they are a pretty resourceful bunch, Jobs or not. My bet is they will stage a comeback and John C. Abell at CNN will be labeled a turd.

Ok....maybe not a turd, but he will be shown to have been wrong.
 
2013-02-22 10:44:01 AM  
To be honest, I bet the reason most people stick to a brand at this point is that with money invested in apps and accessories and whatnot, converting between the OSes is cost prohibitive.
 
2013-02-22 10:46:02 AM  

RexTalionis: The iPhone user became decidedly less cool when it became the phone that your parents want.


It's not the phone that you deserve , it's the phone that you need right now..
 
2013-02-22 10:49:41 AM  

Publikwerks: To be honest, I bet the reason most people stick to a brand at this point is that with money invested in apps and accessories and whatnot, converting between the OSes is cost prohibitive.


My wife and I were having this discussion this morning about the new Xbox and PlayStation.  We have got hundreds and hundreds of dollars wrapped up in games and accessories for our 360.  Whether we like it or not, we are likely stuck with Microsoft for a long time.
 
2013-02-22 10:52:13 AM  
I lost my phone recently and, as my contract will be a little while until I can upgrade, decided to get a replacement from Ebay. I got an unlocked phone, upgraded to the latest android release, sim unlocked, and about a third of the price that I would have to pay my service provider for the handset (I paid £150, my contract would be £20 extra a month for 2 years to pay for the phone, £480)

I have now decided not to upgrade or upgrade to the cheapest phone I can and buy one from Ebay when I notice my phone getting slow or there is a feature I want that it does not have, like NFC or something.

Instead of £35 a month, my contract will be £15 per month (2000 minutes or texts, unlimited data, 5000 provider minutes) and I will put the extra £20 into my savings account, make (a small amount of) interest and have some money left over when I want to upgrade. I will spend this on beer.
 
2013-02-22 10:52:56 AM  
cache.gawkerassets.com
Fry: Why is everyone wearing those rings?
Amy Wong: Guh! Because nobody wears them anymore. Rings are stupid.
Fry: I think they're cool.
Amy Wong: Shh! Don't let anyone hear you.
Guy: Hey, did that guy just say that rings are cool?
Amy Wong: No, he said they're stupid.
Guy: Cool!
 
2013-02-22 10:53:03 AM  
The rule of question marks in headlines maintains.

If a headline asks a question, the answer is always "No".

The headline in question "Is Apple losing its 'cool'?"

The last line: "bet against Apple at your own peril"

Dumbass writer. I guess everyone has slow days.

/Apple sucks
//their UI looks archaic, and they're failing without Jobs
 
2013-02-22 10:53:52 AM  
Sorry, but this article doesn't use the word "beleaguered" anywhere.
 
2013-02-22 10:54:38 AM  

Endive Wombat: Publikwerks: To be honest, I bet the reason most people stick to a brand at this point is that with money invested in apps and accessories and whatnot, converting between the OSes is cost prohibitive.

My wife and I were having this discussion this morning about the new Xbox and PlayStation.  We have got hundreds and hundreds of dollars wrapped up in games and accessories for our 360.  Whether we like it or not, we are likely stuck with Microsoft for a long time.


Oh don't worry, I'm sure you won't be able to use those on the next Xbox.
 
2013-02-22 10:54:42 AM  
For the last farking time, it's not about "being cool".  It's about having something that works exceptionally well.  Yes, there are always the handful of idiots who really do think it's just about a status symbol, but the rest of us are glad to use a product that doesn't suck balls in some major way.  Brand loyalty is built up over time when the whole "doesn't suck balls" thing is discovered to be true for a number of different products.

These "tech reporters" who write click-gathering articles like this aren't getting it.  "Cool factor" is not only factor here, or even the major one.  Otherwise all the products listed would've been chucked away and rejected by people long ago.  iPods have been around for 12 years now.  iPhone has been around for 6 and more or less looks about the same.  The current Macbook form factor has been around for about 7 years.  Same with the iMac line.  "Cool factor" doesn't apply to that sort of timeline.
 
2013-02-22 10:55:11 AM  

sure haven't: their UI looks archaic


In what regard?  I am not necessarily disagreeing with you, I just want to understand what you mean by that.
 
2013-02-22 10:56:53 AM  

theurge14: For the last farking time, it's not about "being cool".  It's about having something that works exceptionally well.  Yes, there are always the handful of idiots who really do think it's just about a status symbol, but the rest of us are glad to use a product that doesn't suck balls in some major way.  Brand loyalty is built up over time when the whole "doesn't suck balls" thing is discovered to be true for a number of different products.

These "tech reporters" who write click-gathering articles like this aren't getting it.  "Cool factor" is not only factor here, or even the major one.  Otherwise all the products listed would've been chucked away and rejected by people long ago.  iPods have been around for 12 years now.  iPhone has been around for 6 and more or less looks about the same.  The current Macbook form factor has been around for about 7 years.  Same with the iMac line.  "Cool factor" doesn't apply to that sort of timeline.


I suspect those that ask if something is still cool are mentally stuck in High School where every other persons opinion mattered.
 
2013-02-22 10:59:29 AM  
I read that headline as "Tech news prostitutes to Apple again."
 
2013-02-22 11:00:50 AM  
Owning idevices has gone from a mark of coolness to a simple prerequisite of coolness.  An iphone doesn't make you cool, but the other smart phone platforms (especially blackberry) definitely make you uncool.
 
2013-02-22 11:02:21 AM  

Endive Wombat: sure haven't: their UI looks archaic

In what regard?  I am not necessarily disagreeing with you, I just want to understand what you mean by that.


I know any UI anywhere is just "rows of boxes", but they're UI has that shiny bubble effect on it, which was the style in the mid-2000's. The screen contains everything, instead of understanding that you can expand it by having things appear as if they're out of the screen. It's just clunky looking. Not sure how else to explain it, don't have the words or the time right now :(
 
2013-02-22 11:08:58 AM  

sure haven't: Endive Wombat: sure haven't: their UI looks archaic

In what regard?  I am not necessarily disagreeing with you, I just want to understand what you mean by that.

I know any UI anywhere is just "rows of boxes", but they're UI has that shiny bubble effect on it, which was the style in the mid-2000's. The screen contains everything, instead of understanding that you can expand it by having things appear as if they're out of the screen. It's just clunky looking. Not sure how else to explain it, don't have the words or the time right now :(


Fair enough.  I do think that Android does have a cleaner UI
 
2013-02-22 11:09:19 AM  
The last decade for Apple is, more than anything, about electronic components getting good enough that they could go portable. Where Apple made it's money was on being at the forefront of what was going on with that.

The problem for Apple is the same one that hit camera manufacturers a few years ago: eventually you hit a point that the stuff does pretty much what people want it to do. No-one much cares about what the cutting-edge is doing, because the utility value of a 15mp camera over an 8mp one is about nil. If you drop your camera and break it, you'll like that you can now get a 15mp one, but most people aren't going to throw out an 8mp one. And even then, a lot of them will find

I've just had a contract renewal and it's the first ever that I've not gone for an upgrade, and instead opted for a discount on my phone contract and I'm keeping my Nexus S. Sure, it ain't as nippy as a Galaxy S3, but I'll trade waiting an extra 2 seconds for an app to open for £15/month.
 
2013-02-22 11:15:56 AM  

Kyosuke


Sorry, but this article doesn't use the word "beleaguered" anywhere.


This article is also not from NetCraft.
 
2013-02-22 11:16:19 AM  

farkeruk: The last decade for Apple is, more than anything, about electronic components getting good enough that they could go portable. Where Apple made it's money was on being at the forefront of what was going on with that.

The problem for Apple is the same one that hit camera manufacturers a few years ago: eventually you hit a point that the stuff does pretty much what people want it to do. No-one much cares about what the cutting-edge is doing, because the utility value of a 15mp camera over an 8mp one is about nil. If you drop your camera and break it, you'll like that you can now get a 15mp one, but most people aren't going to throw out an 8mp one. And even then, a lot of them will find

I've just had a contract renewal and it's the first ever that I've not gone for an upgrade, and instead opted for a discount on my phone contract and I'm keeping my Nexus S. Sure, it ain't as nippy as a Galaxy S3, but I'll trade waiting an extra 2 seconds for an app to open for £15/month.


I don't know about you but after 2 years, my mobile devices have a fraction of their original battery life and are falling apart due to repeated drops.  Combine battery losses, wear & tear, and app store games requiring higher-end specs, and you get a constant need of refreshed devices.  I'm not even taking into account the current work/research into augmented reality apps and Google Glass & similar products, which really will be the future.
 
2013-02-22 11:18:53 AM  

Endive Wombat: I was honestly considering an iPhone, but when I held it side by side with the other phones on the market, I just could not do it. The main reason I stuck with Android was because of screen size. To me at least, the iPhone screen is comically small by comparison to most of the other offerings out there running Android or Windows OSs. I ended up getting the Note 2 and love it. I will not go back to something smaller.


And the only reason I have an iPhone 4S is it seemed to be the last phone that wasn't comically huge to me.  I have small hands, and women's clothing isn't exactly known for its copious pocket space. I  didn't want a huge phone, and the iPhone was the smallest of the batch that do what I need/want a phone to do when my contract was up.

I was going to get an Android something or another because I like my boyfriend's phone and some of the customizations that he can do (like text sounds that aren't the same as everyone else in my office) but they looked like clown props to me. In less than a year, phones got way too big.

Seriously a case of to each one's own.
 
2013-02-22 11:20:17 AM  

theurge14: For the last farking time, it's not about "being cool".  It's about having something that works exceptionally well.  Yes, there are always the handful of idiots who really do think it's just about a status symbol, but the rest of us are glad to use a product that doesn't suck balls in some major way.  Brand loyalty is built up over time when the whole "doesn't suck balls" thing is discovered to be true for a number of different products.

These "tech reporters" who write click-gathering articles like this aren't getting it.  "Cool factor" is not only factor here, or even the major one.  Otherwise all the products listed would've been chucked away and rejected by people long ago.  iPods have been around for 12 years now.  iPhone has been around for 6 and more or less looks about the same.  The current Macbook form factor has been around for about 7 years.  Same with the iMac line.  "Cool factor" doesn't apply to that sort of timeline.


I'd buy that if the average person put in any sort of thought or research into figuring out the best product for them instead of just what's on TV the most.
 
2013-02-22 11:23:14 AM  

Slaxl: Apple has only had its 'cool' in the last few years. In the 80s and 90s they were owned exclusively by people who thought those knitted jumpers their grandma gave them for Christmas, with the 'snazzy' patterns were really 'neat'.


This.
 
2013-02-22 11:24:28 AM  
I would like to see apple take a stab at the DSLR market.  I mean really, you've only got 2 choices when it comes to cameras - Nikon and Canon.  In reflecting back on their track record over the last say 10 years, I think that they could do it well.

Although everything from the raw file formats, to the connectors, to the types of memory cards it uses, to tripod mounts will all be proprietary, unique, and unnecessarily expensive.
 
2013-02-22 11:29:09 AM  

Endive Wombat: I would like to see apple take a stab at the DSLR market.  I mean really, you've only got 2 choices when it comes to cameras - Nikon and Canon.  In reflecting back on their track record over the last say 10 years, I think that they could do it well.

Although everything from the raw file formats, to the connectors, to the types of memory cards it uses, to tripod mounts will all be proprietary, unique, and unnecessarily expensive.


Well, they could do that.  And then 2 years after that Samsung would make a giant-sized DSLR with a stylus.
 
2013-02-22 11:33:49 AM  
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2013-02-22 11:33:54 AM  

ampoliros: The article got one thing decidedly right, while there has been an iPhone killer, there are a lot of phones that live alongside it just fine.

On a similar note, if Google could wrestle more control of their OS from the wireless companies and get some standardization going, the Android experience would only get better. Seriously, there are so many people running Gingerbread on phones that can handle much, much more that it's not even funny. I'm looking at you AT&T and your months-late updates to "flagship" phones.


So much this. If and when I get another Android phone, I'm just going to order a Nexus 4 directly from Google.
 
2013-02-22 11:39:20 AM  

Lexx: farkeruk: The last decade for Apple is, more than anything, about electronic components getting good enough that they could go portable. Where Apple made it's money was on being at the forefront of what was going on with that.

The problem for Apple is the same one that hit camera manufacturers a few years ago: eventually you hit a point that the stuff does pretty much what people want it to do. No-one much cares about what the cutting-edge is doing, because the utility value of a 15mp camera over an 8mp one is about nil. If you drop your camera and break it, you'll like that you can now get a 15mp one, but most people aren't going to throw out an 8mp one. And even then, a lot of them will find

I've just had a contract renewal and it's the first ever that I've not gone for an upgrade, and instead opted for a discount on my phone contract and I'm keeping my Nexus S. Sure, it ain't as nippy as a Galaxy S3, but I'll trade waiting an extra 2 seconds for an app to open for £15/month.

I don't know about you but after 2 years, my mobile devices have a fraction of their original battery life and are falling apart due to repeated drops.  Combine battery losses, wear & tear, and app store games requiring higher-end specs, and you get a constant need of refreshed devices.  I'm not even taking into account the current work/research into augmented reality apps and Google Glass & similar products, which really will be the future.


In my opinion, battery life, is the single largest way manufacturer's can set themselves apart now. If my phone's battery lasted just 2 hours longer everyday the effects would be noticeable. That and more apps. Apps are fantastic.
 
2013-02-22 11:41:58 AM  

theurge14: Endive Wombat: I would like to see apple take a stab at the DSLR market.  I mean really, you've only got 2 choices when it comes to cameras - Nikon and Canon.  In reflecting back on their track record over the last say 10 years, I think that they could do it well.

Although everything from the raw file formats, to the connectors, to the types of memory cards it uses, to tripod mounts will all be proprietary, unique, and unnecessarily expensive.

Well, they could do that.  And then 2 years after that Samsung would make a giant-sized DSLR with a stylus.


Ok, I loled
 
2013-02-22 11:42:14 AM  
Comment people will probably point and laugh at in 4 years:

I can't figure out the point of Apple's rumored iwatch. Is it just going to make it so you can look at your watch and see who sent you a txt or email before taking out your phone? I can't imagine millions of people paying for that.
 
2013-02-22 11:45:06 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: So much this. If and when I get another Android phone, I'm just going to order a Nexus 4 directly from Google.


I started with the Nexus One.  Currently have a Galaxy Nexus.  I'll always go for the Google experience and zero "value-add" software that the handset maker and/or carrier thinks I want.
 
2013-02-22 11:47:00 AM  

Carth: Comment people will probably point and laugh at in 4 years:

I can't figure out the point of Apple's rumored iwatch. Is it just going to make it so you can look at your watch and see who sent you a txt or email before taking out your phone? I can't imagine millions of people paying for that.


I assume it'll be something like the Pebble.  It's a watch first, which most people will be wearing anyways.  But it'll vibrate when you get a call/text on your phone, which I imagine is easier to notice vs when the phone is in your pocket. I wear a watch anyways so having it connect to my phone for added stuff would be nice.
 
2013-02-22 11:50:18 AM  

Carth: Comment people will probably point and laugh at in 4 years:

I can't figure out the point of Apple's rumored iwatch. Is it just going to make it so you can look at your watch and see who sent you a txt or email before taking out your phone? I can't imagine millions of people paying for that.


I dunno. You could get rid of the iphone, go with an iPad mini or full size, and mave the watch as your portable thing. It is easier to check you watch than fumble for a phone in your pocket. Then, if you need rto respond, you pull out the ipad.

Also, I have a boner for skype/facetime on a watch.
 
2013-02-22 11:51:00 AM  

Carth: Comment people will probably point and laugh at in 4 years:

I can't figure out the point of Apple's rumored iwatch. Is it just going to make it so you can look at your watch and see who sent you a txt or email before taking out your phone? I can't imagine millions of people paying for that.


I think it's suppose to be a semi-substitute for your phone. It'll tether to your phone, so you can do certain things without taking the phone out.

According to the rumors, it's supposed to look something like this - the screen is on a flexible substrate that forms a slap bracelet.

photos.appleinsider.com
 
2013-02-22 11:51:23 AM  

Dissociater: Carth: Comment people will probably point and laugh at in 4 years:

I can't figure out the point of Apple's rumored iwatch. Is it just going to make it so you can look at your watch and see who sent you a txt or email before taking out your phone? I can't imagine millions of people paying for that.

I assume it'll be something like the Pebble.  It's a watch first, which most people will be wearing anyways.  But it'll vibrate when you get a call/text on your phone, which I imagine is easier to notice vs when the phone is in your pocket. I wear a watch anyways so having it connect to my phone for added stuff would be nice.


I guess it would be useful for some. But if you need to charge it everyday, or tap it to turn it on it seems like a huge step backwards for a watch.

I have a vintage watch that needs to be winded every few days and even that is annoying compared to a nice automatic. I can't imagine having to plug it into USB every night.

But then again I have no problem ignoring a txt or email and don't feel a compulsion to check  my phone as soon as i get one.
 
2013-02-22 11:52:11 AM  

Publikwerks: Carth: Comment people will probably point and laugh at in 4 years:

I can't figure out the point of Apple's rumored iwatch. Is it just going to make it so you can look at your watch and see who sent you a txt or email before taking out your phone? I can't imagine millions of people paying for that.

I dunno. You could get rid of the iphone, go with an iPad mini or full size, and mave the watch as your portable thing. It is easier to check you watch than fumble for a phone in your pocket. Then, if you need rto respond, you pull out the ipad.

Also, I have a boner for skype/facetime on a watch.


facetime would be very awesome if they could make it work with the rumored flexible display.
 
2013-02-22 12:00:38 PM  
I had one of these in the mid 90s (or something like this). It completely sucked and the messaging service was eventually hit wit a class action lawsuit for misleading customers.

I am not waiting for the iWatch to come out.

technology.automated.it
 
2013-02-22 12:01:59 PM  
Didn't read the article, nor do I care about "cool" (perks of getting older), but I'll share my opinion nonetheless...

I still think OSX is the best commercial operating system and I like MacBooks.  I'm still rocking a late 2008 pro thanks to a SSD I added last year.  Sure, I could get a newer faster model, but until this dies, it's good enough.  Unless OSX morphs into iOS on laptops, its eventual replacement will be another MacBook.

I have no interest in tablets, so no comment on ipads.

I'm on my second iphone (first was a 3s, now a 4s).  This market has changed a lot in the past year or two... my contract is up this year and I'm likely to switch.  I've played around with the iphone 5 and really like the camera on it (important feature to me), but iOS is incredibly stale at this point.  I'm sure there will be a 5s before my contract expires, but I'm more interested in how they overhaul iOS.  All I really would like would the ability to choose new default applications for Maps, Email, and Browser, more control over the homescreen (widgets and such), and allow me to delete unused apple apps!

Regarding Apple TV and rumored stuff... I currently use a Roku, and best I can see, the only thing (albeit nice feature) the apple TV offers is airplay or whatever it's called.  To me, all they need to do to improve this product and be a Roku killer is open it up to apps (Vudu, Amazon, PBS for example).  I sincerely hope they don't offer an actual TV or this stupid watch I keep hearing about.  Just focus on good hardware, better iterations of OSX and an iOS that actual catches up to native Android.  Sadly, I'm not sure that's the direction they are going.  Seems despite their earnings and profitability, the markets no longer see them as their darling and are souring to them.  That's an entirely other issue which is plaguing too many other public companies and stunting innovation over stock price.
 
2013-02-22 12:03:39 PM  

RexTalionis: Carth: Comment people will probably point and laugh at in 4 years:

I can't figure out the point of Apple's rumored iwatch. Is it just going to make it so you can look at your watch and see who sent you a txt or email before taking out your phone? I can't imagine millions of people paying for that.

I think it's suppose to be a semi-substitute for your phone. It'll tether to your phone, so you can do certain things without taking the phone out.

According to the rumors, it's supposed to look something like this - the screen is on a flexible substrate that forms a slap bracelet.

[photos.appleinsider.com image 660x485]


See those pictures are the ones I just don't get. I see that and it just looks like a really ugly watch to save people 5 seconds of looking at their phone. I can't imagine someone wearing that in a suit everyday.

Google glass looks ridiculous too in its current form but that I can imagine catching on when technology allows it to be fashionable.

Fully prepared to admit I was wrong when apple makes billions selling it.
 
2013-02-22 12:03:44 PM  

theurge14: For the last farking time, it's not about "being cool".  It's about having something that works exceptionally well.  Yes, there are always the handful of idiots who really do think it's just about a status symbol, but the rest of us are glad to use a product that doesn't suck balls in some major way.  Brand loyalty is built up over time when the whole "doesn't suck balls" thing is discovered to be true for a number of different products.


Not sucking balls? What is this artisanal luxury computer bullshiat? Cheap and readily replaceable is the law of the market, and the market is always perfect and never wrong. Only limousine liberal hipster douchebags go against the market. Real Americans buy $199 Dells like they were toothbrushes.
 
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