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(Deadspin)   LeBron James injured by a hard foul. Bulls fans react accordingly (w/video)   (deadspin.com) divider line 73
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2013-02-22 09:13:43 AM  
Stay classy.

/Cheering for injuries is a dick move.
 
2013-02-22 09:16:20 AM  
a) it was a dick move by their crowd because no one knew the extent of anything
b) wasn't really an injury so much as a bit of pain from some knee-on-knee contact, which explains the couple of steps before feeling the pain but ultimately being able to walk it off
c) weird that he didn't even throw it up toward the hoop - Belinelli got FTs for a similar foul with less contact on the next possession. But I just assume it's a case of "well, the Bulls are down 15 so we'll give them the FTs"
 
2013-02-22 09:19:46 AM  
No- that was knee to thigh contact. The Bulls player's knee drove into the muscle of LBJ's thigh. Go ahead and try that sometime and try to continue doing whatever it was you were doing when it happened. I've had it happen and trust me- you will drop whatever you were doing QUICK.
 
2013-02-22 09:20:47 AM  
Eh, he was just walking it off.  It's not like they were bringing the stretcher out or anything.
 
2013-02-22 09:22:23 AM  
It's not like he's Varajeo or anything....
 
2013-02-22 09:23:26 AM  
That's the Chicago way
 
2013-02-22 09:24:12 AM  
A story of a boy who really meant it this time when a wolf was approaching comes to mind.
 
2013-02-22 09:24:50 AM  
Like Heat fans didn't cheer when Rose went down last year.

At the very least, breathe a big old sigh of relief.
 
2013-02-22 09:27:06 AM  
There was little discernible change in the crowd volume. The arrival of the beer guy might generate the same response.
 
2013-02-22 09:36:38 AM  

Slow To Return: Like Heat fans didn't cheer when Rose went down last year.

At the very least, breathe a big old sigh of relief.


Well, it would be pretty weird for them to have cheered given neither team was playing each other.

"But, but, they probably would've done it too!"

Funbags: There was little discernible change in the crowd volume. The arrival of the beer guy might generate the same response.


Nope, it was quite obvious. At least on TV.
 
2013-02-22 09:40:46 AM  

LucklessWonder: Stay classy.

/Cheering for injuries is a dick move.


THIS

It's a game morons.
 
2013-02-22 09:41:17 AM  
Intentional foul?  Yes.  Hard foul?  Not really.  Looked relatively soft to me.  Just looks like he hit James in just the right spot for a charlie horse.  A charlie horse is not something that will sideline Lebron for weeks or anything.
 
2013-02-22 09:48:25 AM  

darch: No- that was knee to thigh contact. The Bulls player's knee drove into the muscle of LBJ's thigh. Go ahead and try that sometime and try to continue doing whatever it was you were doing when it happened. I've had it happen and trust me- you will drop whatever you were doing QUICK.


Eh, now I'm not actually seeing knee into thigh. But hip into thigh. Who knows, it's late in a game in the second game of a road-road back-to-back 800 miles apart against two playoff teams. Stuff is probably going to take more out of you at that point.
 
2013-02-22 09:50:39 AM  

SlothB77: Intentional foul?  Yes.  Hard foul?  Not really.  Looked relatively soft to me.  Just looks like he hit James in just the right spot for a charlie horse.  A charlie horse is not something that will sideline Lebron for weeks or anything.


At that point, the Bulls fans didn't know that, however. Michael Jordan broke his foot on something much less than that. Rose injured his knee on less. Can't really tell the extent of an injury by how hard the foul was or whether or not the person can walk. Which is why you don't cheer for that. Unless maybe he'd been targeting Bulls players and trying to injure them, but that didn't happen.
 
2013-02-22 09:51:32 AM  

DeathByGeekSquad: It's not like he's Varajeo or anything....


Yeah, you'd think after playing with Andy all those years,  he'd be better at flopping.
 
2013-02-22 09:54:34 AM  
Have NBA fans convinced themselves the entire league is not a scripted WWE style fraud again, like they do every year?

Oh look, Kobe says the Lakers are going to make the playoffs. Wouldn't bet against it. Who are the referees for the remaining LA Lakers games? I'm sure Stern's got that one sorted out.
 
2013-02-22 09:55:23 AM  
still haven't seen it (video won't load at work) - but heard about it on the radio this morning. I can't speak for all Bulls fans, but if in fact they did cheer this Bulls fan thinks anyone in the stadium that participated is a bunch of ass bags.

The Bulls star player might not play at all this year and it sucks - to cheer (to even wish that on) some other teams star (especially the one carrying the league) is just stupid.

Sports fans in Chicago were going apeshiat that Vancouver's hockey coach made a very slight and small remark about the Hossa injury and only one game suspension. Jesus, your starting to make us look like Boston or Philly.
 
2013-02-22 09:55:25 AM  

cleveoh: DeathByGeekSquad: It's not like he's Varajeo or anything....

Yeah, you'd think after playing with Andy all those years,  he'd be better at flopping.


What's ridiculous is a flopping conversation about this. There was a foul, and it was intentional and obvious. The whistle had already blown. What part of this would be "flopping"?
 
2013-02-22 09:57:15 AM  
p the boiler: ...  speak for all Bulls fans, but if in fact they did cheer, this Bulls fan thinks anyone in the stadium that participated is a bunch of ass bags.

Sorry, brain still not functioning
 
2013-02-22 09:59:04 AM  

Slow To Return: Like Heat fans didn't cheer when Rose went down last year.


I'm not sure how they could've possibly done that during the 76ers/Bulls game.
 
2013-02-22 10:01:37 AM  
Chicago Stadium, now that was a loud rocking arena.

The United Center, on the other hand, it about as loud as a library when the Bulls play.  Dick move by the fans, but Benny the Bull shooting out free Tshirts will generate more crowd noise.
 
2013-02-22 10:01:53 AM  

bulldg4life: Slow To Return: Like Heat fans didn't cheer when Rose went down last year.

I'm not sure how they could've possibly done that during the 76ers/Bulls game.


People don't have TV's?  Weird.  I thought they did.
 
2013-02-22 10:05:06 AM  
That's not a hard knee on knee foul..

This is a hard knee on knee foul.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQLmcxZXsmw
 
2013-02-22 10:06:20 AM  

IAmRight: Well, it would be pretty weird for them to have cheered given neither team was playing each other.


Why would they have to be playing each other?  With the best player on the East's #1 seed down, every team in the East's road to the finals got a lot easier.  The team that would be most happiest about this would most likely be the #2 seed.
 
2013-02-22 10:08:21 AM  
I don't watch too much NBA, but it looks like the Bulls and Heat switched uniforms. Bulls in black, Heat in red.
 
2013-02-22 10:17:24 AM  
I love that you are running with that.
 
2013-02-22 10:18:47 AM  
Impossible, the only fans in the US that would do anything like that are from Philadelphia. Every other city has fans that practice good sportsmanship 100% of the time  Every case of bad fans, in any sport, has happened in Philadelphia.
 
2013-02-22 10:22:30 AM  
So Chicago fans acted like Chicago fans?  Shocking.
 
2013-02-22 10:26:47 AM  
Pretty sure fans of every other team in the league would cheer that. But subby is probably from Florida or Michigan or some other backwards cesspool.
 
2013-02-22 10:36:58 AM  
Ugh, don't do that.
 
2013-02-22 11:34:47 AM  

p the boiler: I can't speak for all Bulls fans, but if in fact they did cheer this Bulls fan thinks anyone in the stadium that participated is a bunch of ass bags.


This. Big Bulls fan, can't stand the Heat, but that's a dick move.
 
2013-02-22 11:39:42 AM  
Earlier in the game, Nate Robinson got pretty much thrown down by Lebron, and got the called for a defensive foul.  As far as catching up to him and getting his hand on the ball, that pretty much makes it a solid defensive play.  In a collision, Nate Robinson stands a much greater chance of injuring himself than Lebron (yeah, I have no citation on that).
 
2013-02-22 12:12:33 PM  
Oh look, another one of those articles where [a few douchebag fans] sets up an excuse for broad brush condemnations of [Chicago fans acting like Chicago fans] or any team/city. The Chicago fans I know and go to games with don't cheer injuries and shiat like that. The asshole Chicago fans I know would probably be quicker to cheer when Jay Cutler would get hurt than an opposing player, they love hating their own teams.

But enough about that, time to get back to listening to college bball audio feeds for anyone yelling out dumbass stuff so that we can create a Master List of Schools Whose Entire Fanbase Is Scum Based On That One Guy.

Even Penn State references are getting old along those lines. And no, not every Philly or Dodgers fan is an asshole.

/don't rush anything rose
 
2013-02-22 12:13:58 PM  
Or, alternatively, should someone start greenlighting every article where the majority of the arena/stadium claps when an injured opponent helps himself off the court? Because that happens in 99% of places 99% of the time with 99% of the people. But it doesn't engineer OUTRAGE as well.
 
2013-02-22 12:19:30 PM  

highrye: Earlier in the game, Nate Robinson got pretty much thrown down by Lebron, and got the called for a defensive foul.


Earlier in the game, Nate Robinson covered off a screen late, didn't have position, and went flying backwards because he's tiny and that's how you have a chance at drawing calls (someone else did this later, drawing an offensive foul on LeBron).

highrye: As far as catching up to him and getting his hand on the ball, that pretty much makes it a solid defensive play.


This happened where? Again in your made-up fantasy land? Robinson himself would admit that all he was doing on this play was fouling LeBron so he couldn't get another dunk. This happened after the Heat had just made another run on the Bulls to basically confirm that no, the Bulls wouldn't be making a comeback. The Bulls were getting embarrassed so he wasn't going to give up another dunk. Which I can completely appreciate from Robinson - definitely don't give up free buckets, and it's not like he was trying to injure LeBron. Just wanted to make him get his points from the line. But the crowd cheering is loathsome.

At least some Bulls fans in here understand that that's some low-class sh*t.
 
2013-02-22 12:20:45 PM  

Electromax: Or, alternatively, should someone start greenlighting every article where the majority of the arena/stadium claps when an injured opponent helps himself off the court? Because that happens in 99% of places 99% of the time with 99% of the people. But it doesn't engineer OUTRAGE as well.


Why would they do that?

It's not often you hear audible applause from a significant percentage of the people in the arena when an opponent's star seems to be injured. Then boos as they attempt to walk it off.
 
2013-02-22 12:25:06 PM  
Well, the important thing is, did Chicago beat the spread after the injury?
 
2013-02-22 12:29:24 PM  

IAmRight: cleveoh: DeathByGeekSquad: It's not like he's Varajeo or anything....

Yeah, you'd think after playing with Andy all those years,  he'd be better at flopping.

What's ridiculous is a flopping conversation about this. There was a foul, and it was intentional and obvious. The whistle had already blown. What part of this would be "flopping"?


Yeesh, we were making fun of his former teammate who flops on both ends of the floor like a World Cup soccer player.. Relax & enjoy  LBJ in Miami...at least until he heads to the Lakers after 2014.
 
2013-02-22 12:33:56 PM  

cleveoh: Yeesh, we were making fun of his former teammate who flops on both ends of the floor like a World Cup soccer player.. Relax & enjoy  LBJ in Miami...at least until he heads to the Lakers after 2014.


It's not like I care about Miami. I like watching the best players play basketball as well as they can. I suppose it was really less about your (and DBGS's) comments on their own as them mixed with the "crying wolf" comment by someone else.

TheShavingofOccam123: Well, the important thing is, did Chicago beat the spread after the injury?


Since there wasn't actually an injury, no. Spread was MIA -4 and they won by 19.
 
2013-02-22 12:34:15 PM  

IAmRight: Electromax: Or, alternatively, should someone start greenlighting every article where the majority of the arena/stadium claps when an injured opponent helps himself off the court? Because that happens in 99% of places 99% of the time with 99% of the people. But it doesn't engineer OUTRAGE as well.

Why would they do that?

It's not often you hear audible applause from a significant percentage of the people in the arena when an opponent's star seems to be injured. Then boos as they attempt to walk it off.


I think that's what I meant? Just that most of the time, at least watching primarily football and college bball it seems like opposing fans are pretty quiet while dude is splayed out on the floor then clap (usually just politely) as the trainers or whoever help him off. I was making a lame appeal to positivitiy in news instead of choosing "Bulls fans ROARED approval" and smugly saying "make of that what you will." I'm not trying to defend the people who cheered, I wouldn't, but what point is the article trying to make beyond "here, have some fodder to judge some team's fans with! but don't think too hard, this 5 second clip is all you need to see!"

Same reason I didn't care for blasting PSU about idiot students defending a pedophile enabler, or people calling Philly fans sub-human because a handful of assholes once threw some batteries. I generally am ambivalent Deadspin but the article is taking a page out of the alarmist reactionary political news handbook.

/I did a quick google for "bulls fan cheering injury" out of curiosity and this was the first result, dammit Philly I was just defending you:
http://nba.si.com/2012/12/13/bulls-fans-shooting-philadelphia-train/
 
2013-02-22 12:46:01 PM  
Shouldn't have fouled him.  It would have been a traveling call.

/why yes the sky is orange here. how did you know.
 
2013-02-22 12:47:44 PM  

IAmRight: I suppose it was really less about your (and DBGS's) comments on their own as them mixed with the "crying wolf" comment by someone else.


I have a name, and it won't hurt you to address me. But, if you do this:
i.cdn.turner.com

And then mock Dirk Nowitzki's flu during the finals pre-game with Dwyane Wade, it's gonna be reeeeeeaaaallll hard for somebody not to interpret the foul in Chicago as karma taking its talents to South Beach.
 
2013-02-22 12:49:42 PM  

i50.tinypic.comIAmRight: highrye: Earlier in the game, Nate Robinson got pretty much thrown down by Lebron, and got the called for a defensive foul.

Earlier in the game, Nate Robinson covered off a screen late, didn't have position, and went flying backwards because he's tiny and that's how you have a chance at drawing calls (someone else did this later, drawing an offensive foul on LeBron).

highrye: As far as catching up to him and getting his hand on the ball, that pretty much makes it a solid defensive play.

This happened where? Again in your made-up fantasy land? Robinson himself would admit that all he was doing on this play was fouling LeBron so he couldn't get another dunk. This happened after the Heat had just made another run on the Bulls to basically confirm that no, the Bulls wouldn't be making a comeback. The Bulls were getting embarrassed so he wasn't going to give up another dunk. Which I can completely appreciate from Robinson - definitely don't give up free buckets, and it's not like he was trying to injure LeBron. Just wanted to make him get his points from the line. But the crowd cheering is loathsome.

At least some Bulls fans in here understand that that's some low-class sh*t.


Looks to me like he had his hand on the ball and LeBron turned his body and kept traveling.
 
2013-02-22 01:14:21 PM  

highrye: Looks to me like he had his hand on the ball and LeBron turned his body and kept traveling.


Defender's hand on the ball during a shot attempt? Can't be traveling.

Also, I can name at least one city that LeBron won't consider for 2014 free agency.
 
2013-02-22 01:21:09 PM  

EyeballKid: But, if you do this:


He's hoping to play soccer in the next Olympics.
 
2013-02-22 01:33:26 PM  

IAmRight: cleveoh: DeathByGeekSquad: It's not like he's Varajeo or anything....

Yeah, you'd think after playing with Andy all those years,  he'd be better at flopping.

What's ridiculous is a flopping conversation about this. There was a foul, and it was intentional and obvious. The whistle had already blown. What part of this would be "flopping"?


It's part of the conversation because he's castrated the Bulls during the play-offs or late in the season by flopping at key times. The fans were probably cheering the fact that LeBron didn't flop, or that he actually stood up and took an injury. Just because they cheered at this point doesn't mean they were happy he was hurt.

/Bulls fan
/Like watching LeBron play
/Hates flops
 
2013-02-22 01:48:35 PM  

dj_spanmaster: highrye: Looks to me like he had his hand on the ball and LeBron turned his body and kept traveling.

Defender's hand on the ball during a shot attempt? Can't be traveling.

Also, I can name at least one city that LeBron won't consider for 2014 free agency.


Mind you, I never went past middle school ball (stopped growing about that time), but they taught us that anything over 1 7/8 steps was traveling.
I watched a show years ago about Jordan - usually three full steps when going to the hoop - never called for traveling.
As I watched this, there were at least three steps before contact.
So, I guess you are right - the new NBA rules on traveling allow 3-5 full strides, or as many steps as you can get in while counting to two.
Count slowly, and you could go full court without a single dribble.
 
2013-02-22 02:16:49 PM  
HARD FOUL?

Little Nate Robinson hits him in the arm/shoulder and Lebron limps.

Hard foul?  Really?  Weren't people saying Lebron could play in the NFL he is so big and strong?
 
2013-02-22 02:19:07 PM  

johnnygew: dj_spanmaster: highrye: Looks to me like he had his hand on the ball and LeBron turned his body and kept traveling.

Defender's hand on the ball during a shot attempt? Can't be traveling.

Also, I can name at least one city that LeBron won't consider for 2014 free agency.

Mind you, I never went past middle school ball (stopped growing about that time), but they taught us that anything over 1 7/8 steps was traveling.
I watched a show years ago about Jordan - usually three full steps when going to the hoop - never called for traveling.
As I watched this, there were at least three steps before contact.
So, I guess you are right - the new NBA rules on traveling allow 3-5 full strides, or as many steps as you can get in while counting to two.
Count slowly, and you could go full court without a single dribble.


The NBA has basically decided that the step you're making as you pick up your dribble doesn't count.  They call this pretty consistently.  No one's getting away with 5 steps; it's the NBA, not Duke.
 
2013-02-22 02:46:51 PM  
If anything, I hope this blowout loss wakes up most of the Chicago sports stupid who call WSCR to the fact that the Bulls don't have a chance against the Heat in a 7 game series - with or without Derrick Rose.

/and every city has their idiot fans
//why we're still surprised by this, I don't know...
 
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