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2013-02-22 08:37:36 AM  
You want to eat at a restaurant with the word "Bread" in the name, but don't want to eat carbohydrates?

Well, honestly, if you're thinking that "carbs" as a whole is something to be avoided, you're not exactly right in the head to start with.
 
2013-02-22 09:14:36 AM  

Donnchadha: You want to eat at a restaurant with the word "Bread" in the name, but don't want to eat carbohydrates?

Well, honestly, if you're thinking that "carbs" as a whole is something to be avoided, you're not exactly right in the head to start with.


If knowing about a secret menu makes you feel like an insider and special with respect to farking Panera Bread, then not being exactly right in the head pretty much nails it.
 
2013-02-22 09:17:33 AM  

Donnchadha: You want to eat at a restaurant with the word "Bread" in the name, but don't want to eat carbohydrates?

Well, honestly, if you're thinking that "carbs" as a whole is something to be avoided, you're not exactly right in the head to start with.


I like panera, in the world of fast food, those salads look pretty good.
 
2013-02-22 09:22:51 AM  
An article that focuses on Panera's secret menu, and they don't post it?

It seems to me that this isn't necessarily a way to make the gluten/carb free diners happy, but get their friends in the door.  One person with dietary limitations can sink an entire party of people from walking in your door.
 
2013-02-22 09:23:42 AM  
Like eating at Panera Bread but don't want the carbs?

Not really.

If I'm going to overpay for a sandwich, I'll go to Jimmy John's instead.
 
2013-02-22 09:25:05 AM  
I love how "secret menu" has come to mean "ordering different configurations of existing menu items and/or ingredients".

If you can think it up and they have it in the back, most places will prepare it for you.
 
2013-02-22 09:31:32 AM  
as a person who got very sad that they couldn't eat panera soups and breadbowls after being diagnosed with celiac disease, this is something to celebrate.

you willy nilly wheat eaters just don't understand.
 
2013-02-22 09:40:11 AM  

tricycleracer: Like eating at Panera Bread but don't want the carbs?

Not really.

If I'm going to overpay for a sandwich, I'll go to Jimmy John's instead.


I've wondered who keeps the Jimmy John's franchises in business. You must not have ever had a sandwich at Panera Bread. Or something.

Jimmy John's is the worst excuse for a deli that I have ever tried.
 
2013-02-22 09:40:36 AM  
I'd rather make my own sandwiches with my cost maybe being a buck, compared to paying $6 for the same thing because it has the word "artisan" attached to it.
 
2013-02-22 10:08:35 AM  

tricycleracer: I love how "secret menu" has come to mean "ordering different configurations of existing menu items and/or ingredients".

If you can think it up and they have it in the back, most places will prepare it for you.


With the right nod, wink and secret handshake, you can order a McFilet Mignon with three sides and bottle of Chianti at any McDonald's
 
2013-02-22 10:10:46 AM  

Donnchadha: You want to eat at a restaurant with the word "Bread" in the name, but don't want to eat carbohydrates?

Well, honestly, if you're thinking that "carbs" as a whole is something to be avoided, you're not exactly right in the head to start with.


After a year, my 60 lbs weight loss and perfect blood tests, including cholesterol, would disagree with you
 
2013-02-22 10:22:42 AM  

Chilkoot Charlie: You must not have ever had a sandwich at Panera Bread.


I have.  Slowest service you could ever ask for, premium prices, underwhelming experience.

There's no real delis near me.  Subway and JJ's are my sandwich options.
 
2013-02-22 10:43:00 AM  

BizarreMan: An article that focuses on Panera's secret menu, and they don't post it?

It seems to me that this isn't necessarily a way to make the gluten/carb free diners happy, but get their friends in the door.  One person with dietary limitations can sink an entire party of people from walking in your door.


Here it is. They also have breakfast items as well. Items seem to be high protein, low empty carbs.

http://mypanera.panerabread.com/articlestips/article/access-into-pan e r as-hidden-menu/

Looks interesting but I'm not going to run there and try them. Best thing about the place is the unlimited sodas/tea/iced coffee anyway.
 
2013-02-22 10:47:46 AM  

AngryDragon: Donnchadha: You want to eat at a restaurant with the word "Bread" in the name, but don't want to eat carbohydrates?

Well, honestly, if you're thinking that "carbs" as a whole is something to be avoided, you're not exactly right in the head to start with.

After a year, my 60 lbs weight loss and perfect blood tests, including cholesterol, would disagree with you


Did you achieve this by avoiding "carbs", in all forms, at all costs, with no other changes to diet or exercise?
 
2013-02-22 10:54:37 AM  

Donnchadha: You want to eat at a restaurant with the word "Bread" in the name, but don't want to eat carbohydrates?

Well, honestly, if you're thinking that "carbs" as a whole is something to be avoided, you're not exactly right in the head to start with.


Perhaps not as a whole but keeping them under 60 a day, and then eat whatever the fark else you want,  is a nearly painless way to lose weight for most people.  Lost a total of 150lbs that way and counting, doing this kind of diet twice with nearly a decade between the first time when I lost 100 and never gained most of it back, and this time I'm controlling formerly rampant type II 'beetus with virtually no medication  because of the diet.
 
2013-02-22 10:58:07 AM  

Donnchadha: AngryDragon: Donnchadha: You want to eat at a restaurant with the word "Bread" in the name, but don't want to eat carbohydrates?

Well, honestly, if you're thinking that "carbs" as a whole is something to be avoided, you're not exactly right in the head to start with.

After a year, my 60 lbs weight loss and perfect blood tests, including cholesterol, would disagree with you

Did you achieve this by avoiding "carbs", in all forms, at all costs, with no other changes to diet or exercise?


Yes and no.  I did reduce my carbs from the "normal" ~300 per day that's recommended to less than 50.  Zero is impossible.  No other changes to diet or exercise whatsoever.
 
2013-02-22 11:08:46 AM  

Donnchadha: AngryDragon: Donnchadha: You want to eat at a restaurant with the word "Bread" in the name, but don't want to eat carbohydrates?

Well, honestly, if you're thinking that "carbs" as a whole is something to be avoided, you're not exactly right in the head to start with.

After a year, my 60 lbs weight loss and perfect blood tests, including cholesterol, would disagree with you

Did you achieve this by avoiding "carbs", in all forms, at all costs, with no other changes to diet or exercise?


can't speak for him but: at my heviest I was 370lbs, I had balloneed up from 330 after cutting back my gym workouts from 1/hr day 7 days a week to 3-4  times a week, and the whole time doing a restricted calories low-fat diet.   I did Protien power, which asked me to keep the effective carb count under 40/day (dietary fiber not counting as carbs due to being indigestible) and put my protien in a range that for my size was about 100 gms/day.  The amount of dietary fat I could intake was unlimited as you body simply sends it back out of your body without processing it when your insulin levels are low.   I began losing weight so quickly (at least 1lbs a day for two months)  that I got a touch lazy and stopped working out regularly (though ironically because of another side effect of the diet my BP came way down and my endurace roughly doubled because my airways were open so much wider)

Sadly, I began to believe some of the disinofrmation about the dangers of such a diet so I only stayed on that diet for about 6-8 months, and  ramped the carbs slowly back up  after about 6 months.   However for the better part of a decade of eating like crap again, 80% of the weight stayed off (110lbs total loss the first time).  But, that DID take it's toll on me metabolically (I went low carb the first time because I was getting the hypoglycemic "shakes" that herald Type II diabetes onset) and I ended up as a type II diabetic, diagnosed this last october, but likely have been so for about a year.    4 months of  fairly low carb regimine (under about 75/day) and I'm down almost 50 more pounds, and my blood sugars are immaculate with me taking only 2mg of Glimeperide a day.  Exactly zero additional lifestyle changes beyond that  (though I'm goin gback to the gym soon because when you weigh 370 you necessarily develop a hell of a lot of muscles just to carry that bulk, and I can feel myself losing some of that now, and I'm not ready to let those go)
 
2013-02-22 11:11:13 AM  
Holy shiatsnacks, that is the most disgusting fast food I have ever seen. Charred looking meat, vomit-covered fries, and someone seems to have hawked a loogie in the shake. That shouldn't be on the Secret menu, it should be more like some incredibly obscure SAP buried so far in a SCIF nobody ever finds out about it.

media.npr.org
 
2013-02-22 11:21:12 AM  
Arby's "secret menu" that I know of just consists of an item they used to sell but no longer list, the Big Montana.
 
2013-02-22 11:45:12 AM  

Chilkoot Charlie: tricycleracer: Like eating at Panera Bread but don't want the carbs?

Not really.

If I'm going to overpay for a sandwich, I'll go to Jimmy John's instead.

I've wondered who keeps the Jimmy John's franchises in business. You must not have ever had a sandwich at Panera Bread. Or something.

Jimmy John's is the worst excuse for a deli that I have ever tried.


Panera is good if you enjoy excessive amounts of dry bread.

Never ate at Jimmy Johns, but both Potbelly and Jersey Mike's are better than Panera.
 
2013-02-22 11:47:16 AM  
They don't want to clutter up the place and waste money by printing this "secret menu"?! For the love of god is one piece of paper really cost that much?  Heck why have printed menus anyway?  Why not just have a 50" monitor with your menu on it that you can then just edit with your computer?

Jesus it's like we are living in the 50s again.  Technology... embrace it.
 
2013-02-22 11:55:19 AM  

RoxtarRyan: I'd rather make my own sandwiches with my cost maybe being a buck, compared to paying $6 for the same thing because it has the word "artisan" attached to it.


Where the fark do you live that Panera only charges $6 for a sandwich?  Aren't they up to like $7-9 now?
 
2013-02-22 11:59:23 AM  

AngryDragon: Donnchadha: You want to eat at a restaurant with the word "Bread" in the name, but don't want to eat carbohydrates?

Well, honestly, if you're thinking that "carbs" as a whole is something to be avoided, you're not exactly right in the head to start with.

After a year, my 60 lbs weight loss and perfect blood tests, including cholesterol, would disagree with you


120lbs in a year for me agrees with you too. Still going of course.
 
2013-02-22 12:16:23 PM  

Donnchadha: AngryDragon: Donnchadha: You want to eat at a restaurant with the word "Bread" in the name, but don't want to eat carbohydrates?

Well, honestly, if you're thinking that "carbs" as a whole is something to be avoided, you're not exactly right in the head to start with.

After a year, my 60 lbs weight loss and perfect blood tests, including cholesterol, would disagree with you

Did you achieve this by avoiding "carbs", in all forms, at all costs, with no other changes to diet or exercise?


While I'm aware that there are low carb diets that emphasize as close to none as possible, I eat 20g in a day due to my current weight (380lbs from 500lbs). It would be tedious and arduous at best to go any lower than that for me - it's hard to avoid any key nutrient completely. It would be far less enjoyable without at least those 20g for me anyway.

As for exercise, it being winter right now, I don't really do much. I would walk around the neighborhood about 2hrs/wk in spring through fall, but it's mild exercise at best - better for cardio than actual weight loss. No regimen to speak of, but when I do exercise in any way I am more energetic than I once was - this was true a mere two weeks into the diet, when any weight lost was likely to be water weight.

The weight gradually left me and continues to. I rarely feel hungry, almost never "starve." I don't crave sweets, bread, etc though I still enjoy them. Hell, I treated myself to the holidays this year and jumped right back on the day after each one without missing a beat. It's nice to be able to do that.

All in all, I think low carb diets are the way to go. I recommend people read "Why We Get Fat" by Gary Taubes for more insight. It's an eye opener, though I didn't actually read until I was already well into my diet (Atkins).
 
2013-02-22 12:27:45 PM  
Read the headline as "crabs".  Less interested now.
 
2013-02-22 12:37:19 PM  

TNel: They don't want to clutter up the place and waste money by printing this "secret menu"?! For the love of god is one piece of paper really cost that much?  Heck why have printed menus anyway?  Why not just have a 50" monitor with your menu on it that you can then just edit with your computer?

Jesus it's like we are living in the 50s again.  Technology... embrace it.


It's about as ridiculous as Starbucks not posting the Short size and price because "there's no room on the menu for it".
 
2013-02-22 12:46:37 PM  

asquian: Arby's "secret menu" that I know of just consists of an item they used to sell but no longer list, the Big Montana.


Also the Chicken Cordon Bleu, although it has never been the same since they went to smoked ham.
 
2013-02-22 01:12:34 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: vomit-covered fries


Oh man, I wish there was an In-N-Out near me because I could really go for some vomit-covered fries right now.

/though I think they call them by a different name than that
 
2013-02-22 01:49:15 PM  
The place where I like to eat has a double secret menu.
 
2013-02-22 01:53:19 PM  
Hi, is this the thread where I come to talk about going into a sandwich shop and whining about the carbs?
 
2013-02-22 02:27:09 PM  

Donnchadha: AngryDragon: Donnchadha: You want to eat at a restaurant with the word "Bread" in the name, but don't want to eat carbohydrates?

Well, honestly, if you're thinking that "carbs" as a whole is something to be avoided, you're not exactly right in the head to start with.

After a year, my 60 lbs weight loss and perfect blood tests, including cholesterol, would disagree with you

Did you achieve this by avoiding "carbs", in all forms, at all costs, with no other changes to diet or exercise?


You've obviously never read the research.  And you obviously think that low means zero.  And you obviously don't understand that there are different kinds of carbs, just like there are different kinds of cholesterol.  Maybe you should just be quiet since you obviously don't know much about what you're talking about.
 
2013-02-22 03:14:58 PM  
Pantera Bread's secret menu will make you deaf.
 
2013-02-22 03:16:42 PM  

BizarreMan: An article that focuses on Panera's secret menu, and they don't post it?

It seems to me that this isn't necessarily a way to make the gluten/carb free diners happy, but get their friends in the door.  One person with dietary limitations can sink an entire party of people from walking in your door.


It is true, I have vetoed Panera a few times while I'm eating low carb.  Now I'm going to try it, and haters can hate so there pbtttttt..
 
2013-02-22 03:19:01 PM  

MrEricSir: Pantera Bread's secret menu will make you deaf.


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2013-02-22 03:31:24 PM  
Oh boy. The 'secret menu' article. I used to work at Starbucks (I know, shut up!) and the stupid secret menu would come up every so often. I didn't mind making the items from said secret menu, but I wanted to smack people who would come up and order a something without knowing what was in it.

Customer: "Can I have an Undertow?"
Me: "I have never heard of that drink before. I can try to make it if you tell me what's in it."
Customer: "I don't know. It was on your secret menu"
Me: " Do you have a copy of the menu?"
Customer: "Lol, no!"


If you're going to order something, wouldn't you have at least a vague idea of its contents? Also, the secret menu is nothing more than made up recipes using existing ingredients. If you have a marginal number of brain cells you can come up with this stuff on your own. I get how it can be good for business and draw in customers, but really, if you're feeling like a VIP because you order items from a secret menu at a fast food place, you're going to be judged just a little.
 
2013-02-22 04:46:35 PM  
Donnchadha : You want to eat at a restaurant with the word "Bread" in the name, but don't want to eat carbohydrates?

That's like going to souplantation and not wanting soup.
 
2013-02-22 05:38:59 PM  
The Panera Bread "secret menu" is so secret its all posted on their website.

/Just ate there for the first time last week
//had a salad
///it was fine and value for money
////better than traditional fast food, didn't take any more time, either.
 
2013-02-22 05:50:22 PM  

bhcompy: Donnchadha: AngryDragon: Donnchadha: You want to eat at a restaurant with the word "Bread" in the name, but don't want to eat carbohydrates?

Well, honestly, if you're thinking that "carbs" as a whole is something to be avoided, you're not exactly right in the head to start with.

After a year, my 60 lbs weight loss and perfect blood tests, including cholesterol, would disagree with you

Did you achieve this by avoiding "carbs", in all forms, at all costs, with no other changes to diet or exercise?

You've obviously never read the research.  And you obviously think that low means zero.  And you obviously don't understand that there are different kinds of carbs, just like there are different kinds of cholesterol.  Maybe you should just be quiet since you obviously don't know much about what you're talking about.


Meh, I've lost 14 lbs since mid-January just by counting calories and eating whatever I want to.
 
2013-02-22 06:22:38 PM  

Shazam999: bhcompy: Donnchadha: AngryDragon: Donnchadha: You want to eat at a restaurant with the word "Bread" in the name, but don't want to eat carbohydrates?

Well, honestly, if you're thinking that "carbs" as a whole is something to be avoided, you're not exactly right in the head to start with.

After a year, my 60 lbs weight loss and perfect blood tests, including cholesterol, would disagree with you

Did you achieve this by avoiding "carbs", in all forms, at all costs, with no other changes to diet or exercise?

You've obviously never read the research.  And you obviously think that low means zero.  And you obviously don't understand that there are different kinds of carbs, just like there are different kinds of cholesterol.  Maybe you should just be quiet since you obviously don't know much about what you're talking about.

Meh, I've lost 14 lbs since mid-January just by counting calories and eating whatever I want to.


Meh, as long as I stay under 50 carbs I can eat 2,500 calories a day.  No counting calories required...and I'm still losing weight.
 
2013-02-22 06:36:44 PM  

AngryDragon: Shazam999: bhcompy: Donnchadha: AngryDragon: Donnchadha: You want to eat at a restaurant with the word "Bread" in the name, but don't want to eat carbohydrates?

Well, honestly, if you're thinking that "carbs" as a whole is something to be avoided, you're not exactly right in the head to start with.

After a year, my 60 lbs weight loss and perfect blood tests, including cholesterol, would disagree with you

Did you achieve this by avoiding "carbs", in all forms, at all costs, with no other changes to diet or exercise?

You've obviously never read the research.  And you obviously think that low means zero.  And you obviously don't understand that there are different kinds of carbs, just like there are different kinds of cholesterol.  Maybe you should just be quiet since you obviously don't know much about what you're talking about.

Meh, I've lost 14 lbs since mid-January just by counting calories and eating whatever I want to.

Meh, as long as I stay under 50 carbs I can eat 2,500 calories a day.  No counting calories required...and I'm still losing weight.


Actually @ 2500 that's probably a deficit for you.  If I want to lose 1lb a week I can eat around 2200 cals a day.  It's a testament to how much people stuff their faces with food.

It is very difficult to eat 2500 cals when you eat low carb.  You're probably not even coming close actually.
 
2013-02-22 07:03:55 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: ///it was fine and value for money
////better than traditional fast food, didn't take any more time, either.



That's the point of the franchise. Reasonably good and reasonably healthy soups, salads, and sandwiches in a quick, inexpensive and fast form.
 
2013-02-22 09:18:48 PM  

bhcompy: You've obviously never read the research.  And you obviously think that low means zero.  And you obviously don't understand that there are different kinds of carbs, just like there are different kinds of cholesterol.  Maybe you should just be quiet since you obviously don't know much about what you're talking about.


I hate to ruin the "presumptuous asshole" thing you've got going, but he never said nor implied any of that.  As such, I'm not exactly sure how to respond to what you're saying, but I'll try.

The guy he was responding to said he cut 1000 calories / day worth of carbs  and lost 60 lbs in a year.  If he had cut 1000 calories / day worth of fats, the results would be the  arking same.  Unless there is some compelling health reason (diabetic, significantly overweight/having too much trouble avoiding calories), you should not be trying to minimize carbs. "The research" shows that low-carb diets do not perform any better than low-fat diets over the long run.

If it's what you need, that's fine.  But if you don't need to cut out carbs, then farking don't.  For normal and reasonably active people, it will make you feel tired and crappy.  For many, this may be the lesser of two evils, but not for most.
 
2013-02-22 09:57:58 PM  

Donnchadha: AngryDragon: Donnchadha: You want to eat at a restaurant with the word "Bread" in the name, but don't want to eat carbohydrates?

Well, honestly, if you're thinking that "carbs" as a whole is something to be avoided, you're not exactly right in the head to start with.

After a year, my 60 lbs weight loss and perfect blood tests, including cholesterol, would disagree with you

Did you achieve this by avoiding "carbs", in all forms, at all costs, with no other changes to diet or exercise?


Look into keto diets. Not only very low carb, but high fat too. Works wonders.
 
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2013-02-22 10:47:56 PM  
Why would I drive halfway across the country to eat at a Panera Bread when St. Louis Bread Company is right down the street and is so much better.
 
2013-02-22 11:00:15 PM  

Pentaxian: Looks interesting but I'm not going to run there and try them. Best thing about the place is the unlimited sodas/tea/iced coffee anyway.


True enough, but Panera is my son's favorite lunch place, so this will make going there less of a pain.

/another Fark lo-carber
 
2013-02-22 11:08:32 PM  

Spazmojack: Look into keto diets. Not only very low carb, but high fat too. Works wonders.


I prefer the enol diet
 
2013-02-23 03:34:48 AM  
So many douchey people in the comments section of that article.
 
2013-02-23 07:06:24 AM  
Panera Bread replaced our local Elbys. No more Brawny Lads, onion rings or strawberry pie.
I tried the place once, big whoop, I can make sandwiches at home.
 
2013-02-23 06:30:50 PM  

Mr. Breeze: Chilkoot Charlie: tricycleracer: Like eating at Panera Bread but don't want the carbs?

Not really.

If I'm going to overpay for a sandwich, I'll go to Jimmy John's instead.

I've wondered who keeps the Jimmy John's franchises in business. You must not have ever had a sandwich at Panera Bread. Or something.

Jimmy John's is the worst excuse for a deli that I have ever tried.

Panera is good if you enjoy excessive amounts of dry bread.

Never ate at Jimmy Johns, but both Potbelly and Jersey Mike's are better than Panera.


I don't hate Jimmy Johns but I liked it a lot more as a college kid. I'm stuck with Subway at work *groan* but outside of that I'll try to get my wife to go to firehouse usually.

I don't really consider Panera and these sandwich shops to be the same type of restaurant..

//bbq chicken salad at panera mmmm =D
 
2013-02-23 10:07:21 PM  

AngryDragon: After a year, my 60 lbs weight loss and perfect blood tests, including cholesterol, would disagree with you


If I lost sixty pounds, I would die (or be depressed that I had lost my legs and arms at the knees and elbows)

So, eating a reasonable amount of carbohydates probably isn't going to kill me.
 
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