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(The Guardian Express)   This could have a big impact on the US and Mexico   (guardianlv.com) divider line 136
    More: News, Mexico, Guatemala, square kilometres, armored trucks, Politics of Mexico, Sinaloa Cartel, Joaquin Guzman Loera  
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2013-02-22 09:14:10 AM
So if I read that correctly.... WikiLeaks was leaked an email that talked about how they think they found this guy in "El Petén in Guatemala" , a Guatemalan newspaper reporter saw this, wrote an article, which was then picked up by south american TV news, and as soon as The Cartels heard the rumor on the news... they sent a hit squad out who had shot him to death inside of his armored luxury SUV within hours of the report airing.

Interesting.
 
2013-02-22 09:21:22 AM

SubBass49: DeathByGeekSquad: Soooo, if this pans out, does that mean Wikileaks had a role in this man's death by releasing otherwise private and confidential information?

/also, power vacuum
//those are exciting

So do we get to see a cartel versus wikileaks war now?  That'd be over quickly.


Wouldn't expect it.  I'd venture to say Cartel vs Cartel with unintentional assists by Wikileaks.

Honestly, I hope investigations reveal that this is indeed the cartel leader, and that he was assassinated in part because of the information that Wikileaks provided.  People need to think about the farking impact before they release information for the sake of self-determined transparency.
 
2013-02-22 09:22:18 AM

BronyMedic: SquiggsIN: BronyMedic: SquiggsIN: Good luck getting the medical, pharmaceutical, police, and prison lobbyists to support that.

The medical people have been on board with it for decades, along with the police. You have to contend with the feds and the US Senate to change the laws. That's where the problem lies.

This might be one of the most ignorant things I've seen in quite a while.  Especially the prison system, has zero interest or inclination in reforming a system that is requires the continuous building, upgrading, financing, and expansion of the prison system.  It would be bad for business.  Just like it would be bad for business for each other group I listed.

Actually, I think this is one of the most ignorant things I've heard in a while on the topic, mixed with a healthy dose of conspiracy. The Medical industry has nothing to gain from the continued criminalization of drugs. In fact, they would gain far more from what they have been pushing for decades, and that's the treatment of drug addicts as medical patients rather than criminals. Look at the countries in Europe which do just this for a prime example. Using Washington State as an example, the Seattle Police Department were one of the most vocal groups for the decriminalization of marijuana in the state. The fact of the matter is that the faults lie with the Federal Government, as any state who goes against the will of the Feds runs the risk of having Department of Justice funding pulled from them for doing so. It's the same tactic that the DOT and NHTSA used to get every state on board with the 0.08 BAC limit.

Considering only a fraction of the prison system is "for profit", that argument doesn't fly. Expansion of the federal prison system costs far more capital that could be used for other Government projects.

In reality, what you have are powerful religious right groups and shill lobbyist organizations who continue to pressure federal lawmakers, misinform their constituents, and mislead the Americ ...



7/8 is a fraction.
 
2013-02-22 09:25:14 AM

The Ottoman: "Hours later, a clash registered on a site as Hamlet said Valentine, San Francisco, El Peten, Guatemala international alarms sounded, the one confirmed four dead, two of them aboard a luxury armored truck in which lies the corpse of a person with a physical resemblance to El Chapo Guzman. "

Who the hell wrote this?


WOTi.imgur.com WOT

INTERNATIONAL ALARM
 
2013-02-22 09:26:31 AM

DeathByGeekSquad: SubBass49: DeathByGeekSquad: Soooo, if this pans out, does that mean Wikileaks had a role in this man's death by releasing otherwise private and confidential information?

/also, power vacuum
//those are exciting

So do we get to see a cartel versus wikileaks war now?  That'd be over quickly.

Wouldn't expect it.  I'd venture to say Cartel vs Cartel with unintentional assists by Wikileaks.

Honestly, I hope investigations reveal that this is indeed the cartel leader, and that he was assassinated in part because of the information that Wikileaks provided.  People need to think about the farking impact before they release information for the sake of self-determined transparency.


Yeah, that'd be a total bummer if some drug lord got wasted because of free flow of information.
 
2013-02-22 09:27:24 AM

TheJoe03: Isn't it great how none of the politicians ever really focus on how much of a clusterfark it is in Mexico and how much that affects us. The entire war down there is based not only on our drug use but our drug policy, but no one in Washington is talking about doing anything about it. Hard to talk about immigration from Latin America (which is what the whole immigration debate seems to be about for these guys, you hear little about Asian or European immigration) without talking about what is actually going on in Mexico and Latin America and how some of our policies have created them and how to change it.


NPR did a bit about how it's actually worse in the U.S. territory Puerto Rico than on the Mexican border.  I was floored but finally relieved that these two areas were going to receive the attention they needed.....

Then the week passed without any other coverage or news and I forgot until just now.

/Knock knock
//Who's there?
///9-11
 
2013-02-22 09:32:26 AM

The Ottoman: "Hours later, a clash registered on a site as Hamlet said Valentine, San Francisco, El Peten, Guatemala international alarms sounded, the one confirmed four dead, two of them aboard a luxury armored truck in which lies the corpse of a person with a physical resemblance to El Chapo Guzman. "

Who the hell wrote this?


Meow said the dog is the only one who could have. The entire article was that way.
 
2013-02-22 09:35:17 AM

jfivealive: SquiggsIN: the line between conspiracy and fact is usually a time line. Our government has been involved in illegal narco-trafficking for decades. There are plenty of government hands interested in maintaining the current conditions. Despite factions in each of the original groups i mentioned supporting reform, a large number of people depend on funding (as you said federal dollars) for their continued existence. The vast majority of police departments make a windfall on property and cash seizures from drug busts. Many of these departments have expanded significantly with these added funds and would be forced to make drastic cuts in order to operate without them. Pharmacy and Medical industries, as well, stand to lose plenty if people turn to a cheap plant like cannabis instead of relying on traditional medicine for the plethora of conditions now proven to be treatable with cannabis therapy. Back to the prisons, since most are now contracted out by states and municipalities to private for-profit corporations, their business model requires the continued incarceration of drug users.

Yes, there are groups within each of my "lobbyist categories" which support reforming the system but, it's idiotic to say that those groups are a majority across this country. Your example was the Seattle police... ask the NYPD about how they feel about the issue.

I agree with you on every part but the bolded part.  To say this means you must lack understanding of the pharmaceutical industry (no disrespect).  Pharmaceutical companies make their money because of change and being the first to adapt to change.  It is a very highly competitive market because patents on their drugs expire which usually only gives a company anywhere between 5 and 10 years to recoup costs of research and development of the drugs.  Hopefully they can cover those costs before the patent runs out and then start making a profit.  Drug patents last for 20 years, however the patent is filed very early in the developm ...


My first job was at Eli Lilly.   I think I understand the pharm industry just fine.  I've been on the inside of it, literally. The problem the pharm industry has with legalized cannabis specifically is that they cannot control the supply and thus control profits from it.  People would bypass doctors, insurance policies, and pharmacies in order to grow it in their backyards.  They have certain incentives to develop things like Marinol but the fact remains that many people would simply choose to completely bypass them if given the choice.
 
2013-02-22 09:36:28 AM

phamwaa: skinink: I see that it is now acceptable to publish articles after they've been put through Google Translate.

Via three different languages.  Twice.


Came to say this, but it was basically covered right off the bat.
 
2013-02-22 09:39:49 AM

SquiggsIN: Pharmacy and Medical industries, as well, stand to lose plenty if people turn to a cheap plant like cannabis instead of relying on traditional medicine for the plethora of conditions now proven to be treatable with cannabis therapy


jbinghamoc.files.wordpress.com

/some creative copypasta and my work here is done.
 
2013-02-22 09:43:14 AM
Maybe he heard that the US might make drugs legal and shot himself out of sheer terror.
 
2013-02-22 09:53:19 AM
www.gq.com

R.I.P. El Guapo
 
2013-02-22 10:04:11 AM
They are already recanting on the chapo being dead
 
2013-02-22 10:28:50 AM
so, there's job opening then? war on terror, war on drugs, war on the american people - flame on!
 
2013-02-22 10:29:05 AM

WhyteRaven74: violentsalvation: I doubt the level of violence in Mexico will be affected, the quantity, purity and price of drugs reaching the US certainly won't be.

Short term, probably right. Thing is, if he is dead, there's no a major power vacuum and it's not going to be filled peacefully. What's more any time spent in skirmishes trying to take his place is time not spent minding shop, which makes the odds of shipments and people being caught quite a lot greater.


Yeah but there is an economy of scale here. You can''t move this level of product with infrastructure. It is going to be easier to disrupt filling the vacuum as opposed to tangoing with a heavily armed billionaire.
 
2013-02-22 10:31:54 AM
Whew, for a second I thought this was reference to the cancelling of "El Capo", my favorite t.v. show. I guess I can go back to microwaving popcorn and sitting on my ass.
 
2013-02-22 10:40:12 AM
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2013-02-22 10:43:41 AM
This has nothing to do with marijuana, or "pot" as the kids call it these days.

Drug traffickers like these guys don't deal with pot.  It's coke and heroin, and "other".
-also guns and sex
 
2013-02-22 10:51:13 AM
So this is why it has suddenly become so hard to score a dime bag of Mexican skunk.
 
2013-02-22 10:57:41 AM
A billionaire drug lord that everybody knows about? How's that supposed to work?
 
2013-02-22 11:17:40 AM
R.I.P. Guzman
 
2013-02-22 11:18:39 AM
grr... once again

howtomakeitinamerica.com

R.I.P. Guzman
 
2013-02-22 11:21:51 AM
He never stays at the same place twice.
4.bp.blogspot.com

/Watch out for the new guy, Diablo
 
2013-02-22 11:27:32 AM

Popcorn Johnny: Speaking of Mexican drug gangs, there's a new video floating around showing a gang beheading 3 dudes. Didn't watch it and I have no intention of doing so.




Used to watch those videos from time to time... but after seeing the Dnepropetrovsk Maniacs video that was pretty much it for me.
 
2013-02-22 12:05:55 PM

TheJoe03: Isn't it great how none of the politicians ever really focus on how much of a clusterfark it is in Mexico and how much that affects us. The entire war down there is based not only on our drug use but our drug policy, but no one in Washington is talking about doing anything about it. Hard to talk about immigration from Latin America (which is what the whole immigration debate seems to be about for these guys, you hear little about Asian or European immigration) without talking about what is actually going on in Mexico and Latin America and how some of our policies have created them and how to change it.


THIS.
 
2013-02-22 12:22:55 PM
Obama is ruthless about protecting distribution rights in Chicago

That's Rahm's territory. Guzman be dead soon or is now. Don't step on Obama's trade routes.
 
2013-02-22 12:31:18 PM
Good.  Fark the useless piece of shat.  I wish there was a Hell for this guy to burn in.
 
2013-02-22 12:33:36 PM
Thought i was stroking out trying to read that crap.
 
2013-02-22 12:46:56 PM

theurge14: The Ottoman: "Hours later, a clash registered on a site as Hamlet said Valentine, San Francisco, El Peten, Guatemala international alarms sounded, the one confirmed four dead, two of them aboard a luxury armored truck in which lies the corpse of a person with a physical resemblance to El Chapo Guzman. "

Who the hell wrote this?

WOT[i.imgur.com image 70x71] WOT

INTERNATIONAL ALARM


TFA:

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2013-02-22 02:08:02 PM
Holy fail at writing.
 
2013-02-22 02:33:50 PM
I once heard that Guzman and his posse entered a diner, confiscated everyone's cell phones, told everyone to be cool honey bunny, sat down, ate, returned phones and picked up the tab for the entire restaurant.
 
2013-02-22 02:46:01 PM
What the heck is a 'fir Straffor'?
 
2013-02-22 08:22:56 PM

bratface: What the heck is a 'fir Straffor'?


Pine tree bands.
 
2013-02-23 03:00:10 AM
content6.flixster.com  guzman's last moments.
 
2013-02-23 08:58:11 PM
is it bigger than Tunguska?
 
2013-02-24 05:54:29 PM
If ya scroll down the comments quickly, the pics looks like a promo for Storage Wars.
 
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