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(Uncrunched)   "A person with a gun and a government badge asked me to swear in writing that a lie was true today. And when I didn't do what she wanted, she simply took my boat and asked me to leave"   (uncrunched.com) divider line 471
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2013-02-22 02:52:55 PM

2farknfunny: Do you know how I know this guy was never in the Army?


He didn't shoot the b*tch and commandeer the boat for the good of his outfit?
 
2013-02-22 02:55:10 PM

Highroller48: So, yeah, let's see what's on the other side of the coin before declaring a crisis of tyrrany.


I'm more declaring incompetence, insouciance, general "hey, whatever kiss my ass" - ness, actually, but you have a point.
 
2013-02-22 02:55:16 PM

2farknfunny: Do you know how I know this guy was never in the Army?


You read the about.me page linked in his blog?
 
2013-02-22 02:56:48 PM

untaken_name: bunner: tricycleracer: This guy is a farking drama queen.

Yeah, that must be it.  On the other hand, they can take your property if you refuse to sign an inaccurate form that "doesn't really matter".  I mean, cause, you know, for the security of the fatherland.  Welcome to the fourth reich.  You can have a comfy chair but if we say it's a threat to "security", it's gonna be our comfy chair, so eat sh*t while we steal from you.  You know what the opposite of a "drama queen" is?  A pissy little b*tch who sucks any dick stuck in her face cause "what UVER".

Noice. Yeah, I mean, imagine, the guy can't just take a 500k loss for NO GODDAM REASON and shrug it off. What a drama queen. I'm sure if mr tricycleracer had his tricycle confiscated for no reason he'd be livejournaling about it 20 seconds later.


His boat is sitting right where it was (unless the MFG took it back to Canada) waiting patiently for him to come back with the signed form. Any financial loss he is incurring now is completely of his own making.
 
2013-02-22 02:58:39 PM

bunner: And that's wonderful that somebody did their job.  Because that's all ANY government job is.  Civil service.  To work within the fair and simple guidelines of whatever agency it is that signs your check in order to facilitate safety, commerce, travel and the general welfare of the populace.  That's IT.  Punkt.  Fullstop.  The very nanosecond that somebody with that agency says "No.  YOU have to do what *I* say and *MY* way because *I* said so, or I'm gonna bend your ass over the sink", that agency is not longer what it says on the label, the pooch is screwed and that agent, or perhaps that agency, needs removed, tut suite.  And the long and broad collections of not so CSBs that clutter the news and the dockets because of people misusing their position in these agencies is evidence to the fact that, while your story might not have been the exception, it is not always the rule.  And that's bullsh*t.  Cause that ain't what we pay for.


The hell do you want them to do, get involved in a private transaction?  Take the word of one ex parte that that was how much was paid?
Are customs officials expected to fill out the paperwork for private parties now?

He refused to sign the Customs declaration form so Customs impounded the boat.  How unreasonable!
 
2013-02-22 02:58:56 PM
isn't the exchange rate around 1 for 1 ... what's the big deal?
 
2013-02-22 03:00:06 PM

Ace Rimmer: Any financial loss he is incurring now is completely of his own making.


So he made the rules? Interesting. You don't know what most words mean, do you? "Completely" is a pretty simple one. Look it up.
 
2013-02-22 03:02:26 PM

corn-bread: He refused to sign the Customs declaration form so Customs impounded the boat.  How unreasonable!


"Yo, sign this shiat."  "It's inaccurate".  "F*ck you."  Doesn't work for me.  YMMV.
 
2013-02-22 03:04:11 PM

corn-bread: The hell do you want them to do, get involved in a private transaction?


They sort of already are, innit?  Lots of them.  It's pretty much the very thing on the label.
 
2013-02-22 03:05:23 PM

bunner: corn-bread: He refused to sign the Customs declaration form so Customs impounded the boat.  How unreasonable!

"Yo, sign this shiat."  "It's inaccurate".  "F*ck you."  Doesn't work for me.  YMMV.



Do you know how NAFTA transactions work?  Lunchbox was assuming it's inaccurate.
How does he know the sale price wasn't translated into local currency (as is wont to happen for tax purposes).

Didn't think of that, did ya?  Med time for Bunner.
 
2013-02-22 03:06:25 PM

AccuJack: If he signed it, they'd be able to legally charge him with a crime, because he committed one, that of knowingly stating that incorrect information was true...


If he signed it, he'd be on a boat right now
 
2013-02-22 03:08:46 PM

corn-bread: Med time for Bunner.


Blow me.   :  )
That being said, NAFTA was a piece of dogsh*t out of the gate, still is, and if the point in question doesn't matter, why is it on the form?
 
2013-02-22 03:10:38 PM

Molavian: Rostin: Aidan: This post reminded me of my own fun at the border, years ago. I had a work visa at the time, and I got married. I figured I'd do the marriage visa whenever, since I was STILL working. Apparently this was horribly wrong and I was "forcing" the agent to "let me back in" the country. Because... I... lived here...?

So yeah, I agree with the guy in the story. You don't let yourself sign crap like that. He could have handled it better, but the agent could have not been a useless tit, too. Since I assume making sure the forms are correctly signed to HER department's standards would be HER JOB.

I'm a US citizen, and I very recently got married to someone currently in the US on a student visa. We are about to begin the green card process. My wife thinks it's no big deal, but I've heard so many immigration horror stories and dealt with bureaucracies enough in general that I'm a hair's breadth away from shelling out the $1000-$2000 that a lawyer would charge, just to reduce the chances of things going wrong. It's a lot of money, but the consequences of failure seem very high. The most maddening thing about it is knowing that even though we have done nothing wrong, we could still get dicked over because of an innocent mistake combined with some stupid policy that makes no sense.

Do it.  I have a friend that married someone from Poland and even with the lawyer's help it was a huge deal.  $2k is jack compared to the nightmare you'll have if your wife gets deported.


I agree: get a lawyer. She may have violated the terms of her student visa by marrying you if the wedding happened here. I ran into similar trouble when I married my (foreign) husband while he was here on a tourist visa (we had applied for a fiancee visa, but it hadn't been granted by the time we married). That was technically 'fraud' and had a knock-on effect that resulted in a deportation order for him (that we narrowly avoided by engaging a lawyer). Paying a lawyer to double-check your work will be money well-spent.
 
2013-02-22 03:18:33 PM

NEDM: way south: Slaxl: I don't understand why so many of you try so hard to justify the actions of the woman, or dismiss them as inconsequential.

Because People can't believe in an the ever expanding authority of a federal bureaucrat when it suits them and then question their decisions a moment later.
There's nothing left but to blame the victim.

/Government wants us to believe its needed every where for every thing.
/Its sure as shiat going to abuse any power you give it.

I'm pretty sure that the Customs Service has been a branch of the federal government since the time when the country was founded.


Yes, Government gets money from taxing imports and exports. That's something even I can accept.
But this means her job was to fix the goddamed paperwork and collect the tax, not the boat.

Her actions will probably cost the government far more than it stood to make off of one vessel, and why?  Because she's saving us from terrorists who didn't fill out form #THX1138 properly?
That's not within the original scope of the custom house's job, that's mission creep.

Its happening because we stuffed them under DHS and gave every paper pusher far more authority than they need.
 
2013-02-22 03:24:32 PM

Flakeloaf: One more time: When the authorities tell you to do something stupid, DO IT, look stupid doing it, and call them on it later once the situation is over and everyone's calmed down. Escalating just gets you whatever this is.


This.

Customs will not release imported property to your custody without a signed declaration.  This isn't some out-of-control bureaucracy; it's the rational basis of a reasonable control on international trade.

Better to sign where you're told, and then once you have your boat you can have your lawyer submit a letter stating "I was instructed by agent XXX (id number YYY) to sign the form despite my concerns about the accuracy of the document" if any problems arise.
 
2013-02-22 03:26:03 PM
I work in an industry that has to deal with customs in a lot of import situations. The amount of people that call in and have questions regarding the importation of goods into the US is much smaller than the people that just call up and say they need something cleared stat and can I help out or point them in a direction. Most people don't realize the steps the US government requires when importing goods and it can and does get them into trouble, usually monetarily.

However, at least the US is not like some other countries: there is a guy in Brasil that ordered some wheels/tires off Ebay from an outfit in norcal. The company the wheels/tires were ordered from dropped off the cargo to my facility sometime in 2007. The wheels were still sitting there in that facility when i quit the job in January. The import rules (and the need of an import license) in Brasil are terrible and make it difficult for simple transactions to even take place. Whenever we have to export freight down into Brasil, we have to first send down all the commercial documentation for approval before we can even tender the cargo the an outbound carrier. It is tedious.

Re the "article", this guy needs to get a broker. I assume the boat was moved to a bonded facility to hold until it is cleared. After 15 days, the boat would go to GO and eventually (if not claimed by the original importer from GO) it would go to auction. A broker, assuming the above is correct, should be able to get this thing squared away ASAP.

Lastly, this guy should thank the heavens that boats do not fall under the FDA...*shudder*.
 
2013-02-22 03:40:06 PM

bunner: And that's wonderful that somebody did their job.  Because that's all ANY government job is.  Civil service.  To work within the fair and simple guidelines of whatever agency it is that signs your check in order to facilitate safety, commerce, travel and the general welfare of the populace.  That's IT.  Punkt.  Fullstop.  The very nanosecond that somebody with that agency says "No.  YOU have to do what *I* say and *MY* way because *I* said so, or I'm gonna bend your ass over the sink", that agency is not longer what it says on the label, the pooch is screwed and that agent, or perhaps that agency, needs removed, tut suite.  And the long and broad collections of not so CSBs that clutter the news and the dockets because of people misusing their position in these agencies is evidence to the fact that, while your story might not have been the exception, it is not always the rule.  And that's bullsh*t.  Cause that ain't what we pay for.


You think it's the job of US CBP to explain Canadian immigration laws to an airline that flies to Canada?

That officer went way beyond what their job description entails.

Ok, let's go back to our scenario. Since you want it done by the book fine. Please call CBP as soon as the crane company you contact with tells you the boat is out of the water and ready for the hill to be visually examined. I also need all the bulkheads/cabinets/cubbyholes/etc. opened and ready for inspection.

I should also remind you that if I show up and the boat is not ready for inspection, I am going to start charging you $1000 for every hour I sit there waiting.

Please have your cash or money order for your duty charges ready when I get there. No checks or cards accepted...

Then again, you could realize when someone is trying to cut you a break and get you on the water in your new toy, so the officer can go back to more important stuff like looking for drugs/explosives/poisoned dog treats/lead poisoned toys/etc.
 
2013-02-22 03:51:06 PM

Ace Rimmer: I should also remind you that if I show up and the boat is not ready for inspection, I am going to start charging you $1000 for every hour I sit there waiting.


You're fired.
 
2013-02-22 03:54:52 PM
MsIndy:

I agree: get a lawyer. She may have violated the terms of her student visa by marrying you if the wedding happened here. I ran into similar trouble when I married my (foreign) husband while he was here on a tourist visa (we had applied for a fiancee visa, but it hadn't been granted by the time we married). That was technically 'fraud' and had a knock-on effect that resulted in a deportation order for him (that we narrowly avoided by engaging a lawyer). Paying a lawyer to double-check your w ...

I know that there are some temporary visas for which this is true, but I also know a fair number of people who have gotten married while on student visas without trouble. But, yeah, it's details like that that bug me. We could be walking right into a great big bear trap.
 
2013-02-22 03:58:30 PM
A blog report.  Facts highly doubtful.
 
2013-02-22 04:03:42 PM
So if he had just signed the government created form and "overlooked" the error, he would have his boat and no one would have been the wiser for it. Instead, he wanted to make a point about how stupid and farked up the government is, and as a result of his foolishness he lost his boat.

IMHO, serves him right for trying to be a dick and make a point at some low level bureaucrat. In his shoes, I'd have just signed the damned form and kept my mouth shut
 
2013-02-22 04:05:28 PM
So, 200 posts after I stopped reading, is it still a mortal sin to dare try to own a boat? I mean, what a douche, right? The nerve of that guy, buying a boat and all..
 
2013-02-22 04:06:41 PM

ck1938: He voted for Obama. Piss on him.


Riiiiigggghhhht, because the DHS was Obama's idea.
 
2013-02-22 04:07:14 PM

Macular Degenerate: he wanted to make a point about how stupid and farked up the government is, and as a result of his foolishness


Yeah, what a silly thing to do. He's probably some commie, soshlist, wise guy sh*t stirrer.  Bad citizen.  No boat.

Macular Degenerate: I'd have just signed the damned form and kept my mouth shut


You are a 1%er's wet dream.
 
2013-02-22 04:08:52 PM

kendelrio: FTFA: "Buying this boat was one of the worst decisions I've ever made, and the nightmare is only just starting."said every boat owner, ever.


BOAT: a hole in the water that you throw money into. Acronym stands for Bust Out Another Thousand.
 
2013-02-22 04:11:14 PM

untaken_name: Ace Rimmer: Any financial loss he is incurring now is completely of his own making.

So he made the rules? Interesting. You don't know what most words mean, do you? "Completely" is a pretty simple one. Look it up.


He is importing a boat.
There are rules about importing a boat.
One of those rules is he sign a form.
He refused to sign the form.

Completely of his own making.
 
2013-02-22 04:11:32 PM

Rapmaster2000: AccuJack: Molavian: JerkyMeat: meddleRPI: Oh no, bureaucratic process has to be satisfied. There may have to be another form to be filed.

TRULY THE TERRORISTS HAVE WON.

No, GOPers have won. This the America they crave.

F*ckballs.  I can't stand all the f*cking morons on this site who think there's a difference between the political parties.  They're all out to screw us, and most of us sit here pointing fingers at each other.  Everyone here is more like each other than we are like them, and that's the f*cking truth.

Amen.  Nowadays when anyone on the Internet or in person identifies themselves as a member of any party, or tries to describe political ideologies like "liberal" or "conservative" as if they were describing types of fruit in a grocery store, I can pretty much assume they're delusional, gullible, or emotionally needy.

People want to badly to belong to something that they'll join up with the first group that cons them into it, and separating them from it after that is like deprogramming a cult member.

That's why I don't vote for the Republicrats or the Democans like the rest of the sheeple.  I'm a libertarian like Dr. Ron Paul.  I have my own ideas that can't fit in some box.  I'm a free thinker.  A loner.  A rebel.


You aren't a loner. I am there with you.
 
2013-02-22 04:13:42 PM

bunner: Macular Degenerate: he wanted to make a point about how stupid and farked up the government is, and as a result of his foolishness

Yeah, what a silly thing to do. He's probably some commie, soshlist, wise guy sh*t stirrer.  Bad citizen.  No boat.

Macular Degenerate: I'd have just signed the damned form and kept my mouth shut

You are a 1%er's wet dream.


There's no authoritarian angle to this. The proper bureaucratic procedure is: boat goes to customs > paperwork is wrong > customs holds the boat until paperwork is fixed. That's what happened.

The customs agent wanted to bed the rules. She was, if anything, trying to be less of an authoritarian asshole. The blogger was the one who insisted they follow the rules.
 
2013-02-22 04:16:59 PM

odinsposse: The blogger was the one who insisted they follow the rules.


Yeah, you shouldn't really pay me any mind.  I think we should either ALL follow the rules for the reasons we're supposed to, change the rules to be more just and useful as necessary, or just light the rules up, piss them out, make pointy sticks and cover ourselves in mud around the fire.  I'm sort of an optimist, at times.
 
2013-02-22 04:19:23 PM

bunner: odinsposse: The blogger was the one who insisted they follow the rules.

Yeah, you shouldn't really pay me any mind.  I think we should either ALL follow the rules for the reasons we're supposed to, change the rules to be more just and useful as necessary, or just light the rules up, piss them out, make pointy sticks and cover ourselves in mud around the fire.  I'm sort of an optimist, at times.


You're right, customs was totally justified in taking the boat.
 
2013-02-22 04:20:02 PM

Kome: And yet, Facebook, Twitter, Linkedin, Fark, Reddit, Examiner, Imgur, Tumblr, Blogspot, Wordpress, Youtube, etc. etc. etc. It's amazing how many venues there are online for people to easily attain the sort of pulpit or following (in some capacity, obviously something like Fark/Reddit is different than Twitter/Tumblr) you think is a necessary precondition to make people aware of a perceived injustice (I only say perceived because not all rants on blogs reflect a true slight, even though in this case I genuinely believe the guy was royally screwed over). Even more amazing is how quickly word can spread because a person can link to their own blog. We have the ability to build our own pulpit and grow our own following (or at least, our own visibility). And if you can afford to import a vehicle, you can afford to sign up for all of those lovely free services (as this guy did) and share your own views. That's, you know, kind of what the Internet is for. That, and porn. Obviously. The internet is primarily for porn. But beyond porn, it gives anyone who has access to it the ability to create a niche for themselves to share whatever serious or inane thoughts they want to share.



You know, that was a whole lot of words for you to type and yet still miss the point completely.

I've complained about many things on Facebook/Twitter, etc. but I'm just some regular Joe so it isn't necessarily going to get the kind of attention this more famous guy is getting. If a DHS agent screwed me over like that and I biatched about it on Facebook or my blog most likely my friends would go "Yeah! What a bastard!" and that would be the end of it. There isn't enough time in the day for us all to share every legitimate complaint from all 320 million Americans - obviously.

So I'll say it again... "Who else has she treated similarly who didn't have as loud a pulpit?"

Or do you honestly think this is the very first time this agent has bullied someone "because internet"?
 
2013-02-22 04:23:46 PM

MsIndy: Molavian: Rostin: Aidan: This post reminded me of my own fun at the border, years ago. I had a work visa at the time, and I got married. I figured I'd do the marriage visa whenever, since I was STILL working. Apparently this was horribly wrong and I was "forcing" the agent to "let me back in" the country. Because... I... lived here...?

So yeah, I agree with the guy in the story. You don't let yourself sign crap like that. He could have handled it better, but the agent could have not been a useless tit, too. Since I assume making sure the forms are correctly signed to HER department's standards would be HER JOB.

I'm a US citizen, and I very recently got married to someone currently in the US on a student visa. We are about to begin the green card process. My wife thinks it's no big deal, but I've heard so many immigration horror stories and dealt with bureaucracies enough in general that I'm a hair's breadth away from shelling out the $1000-$2000 that a lawyer would charge, just to reduce the chances of things going wrong. It's a lot of money, but the consequences of failure seem very high. The most maddening thing about it is knowing that even though we have done nothing wrong, we could still get dicked over because of an innocent mistake combined with some stupid policy that makes no sense.

Do it.  I have a friend that married someone from Poland and even with the lawyer's help it was a huge deal.  $2k is jack compared to the nightmare you'll have if your wife gets deported.

I agree: get a lawyer. She may have violated the terms of her student visa by marrying you if the wedding happened here. I ran into similar trouble when I married my (foreign) husband while he was here on a tourist visa (we had applied for a fiancee visa, but it hadn't been granted by the time we married). That was technically 'fraud' and had a knock-on effect that resulted in a deportation order for him (that we narrowly avoided by engaging a lawyer). Paying a lawyer to double-check your work will be money well-spent.


A student can get married no problem so long as their main purpose is still to go to school.

Your story is more complicated because he came in on the wrong visa for what he intended to do.

If he had been standing in line at Disney World, looked over, saw you, and was instantly smitten... That would have been ok
 
2013-02-22 04:23:53 PM

odinsposse: You're right, customs was totally justified in taking the boat.


Oh, please.  I hate to start bringing history into this, but history will eventually.  So far, the people who rah rah'd for whatever "f*ck you because I said so" monkeys du jour had the whip have wound up on the sh*tty end of the stick.  You either do what it says on the label or you join the pack of gray area farmers who build their lives around the notion that hypocrisy is the norm and what we say and what we actually do should never meet if it's not convenient.  I choose A.  Rock on, but spare me the "oh, ha ha see what I did there?"
crap.
 
2013-02-22 04:27:37 PM

bunner: Ace Rimmer: I should also remind you that if I show up and the boat is not ready for inspection, I am going to start charging you $1000 for every hour I sit there waiting.

You're fired.


Awesome, it is still your responsibility to havd your cargo/merchandise ready for inspection.

Oh, and I might be going away, but your fine is still going up until my replacement shows up

And your dock fees

And what ever your paying for the crane

Etc.
 
2013-02-22 04:29:45 PM
As they say, if it floats, flies, or farks, you're better off renting it.

Of course, we're only hearing this guy's side of the story. Dollars to doughnuts, the guy was a complete prick to the customs agent the entire time, and she jumped at the chance to stick it to him when he wouldn't budge on a typo. Evidence: he's writing about it on his blog, that automatically makes anything he says suspect.
 
2013-02-22 04:36:36 PM

odinsposse: bunner: crispyorganic: Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.  http://joshuatopolsky.com/post/2791763076/dear-michael-arrington

He may be an e-jerk but if it was patriotic and OK to steal from jerks, Dick Cheney and the Koch Brothers would be living behind dumpsters.  We have allowed a class of sadists, gutless punks and thieves with tin badges to be installed in our country and the absolute authority granted to these jerkoffs attracts precisely the sort of people you would assume such a job might.

It was never his property. That's the point that the blogger and every "Government robbery!" person in here is missing. It was transferred from the manufacturer to customs. Customs holds it until it gets released. The blogger never had legal possession of it.

This customs agent was trying to help this guy out by letting him take the boat even though the paperwork wasn't quite right. If the paperwork is wrong there is no scenario where that guy takes possession of the boat that day. The customs agent can't hand write in her own changes to things. That's just as illegal. It had to go through the whole process of getting paperwork from the manufacturer again.

The customs agent said it can slide. She called another agent, who also said to let it slide. The blogger didn't want to let it slide so he doesn't get his boat.


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//maybe you should actually CTFA
 
2013-02-22 04:38:39 PM

Highroller48: I think I'll wait for the other side of the story to come out before passing judgement.

Hundreds of these types of articles are written every year, and the majority of the time we find out there was much more to the story than the "victim" acknowledged.

No offense to all the wagon-jumpers above, but I'd feel foolish pronouncing haughty and self-righteous judgement on this evil civil servant only to later learn that the guy was fudging the declared value by swapping currencies or trying to pull some "sovereign citizen" bullshiat.

So, yeah, let's see what's on the other side of the coin before declaring a crisis of tyrrany.


If he turns out to be a sovereign citizen, you hold him down and I'll shiat in his mouth.
 
2013-02-22 04:38:57 PM

bunner: odinsposse: You're right, customs was totally justified in taking the boat.

Oh, please.  I hate to start bringing history into this, but history will eventually.  So far, the people who rah rah'd for whatever "f*ck you because I said so" monkeys du jour had the whip have wound up on the sh*tty end of the stick.  You either do what it says on the label or you join the pack of gray area farmers who build their lives around the notion that hypocrisy is the norm and what we say and what we actually do should never meet if it's not convenient.  I choose A.  Rock on, but spare me the "oh, ha ha see what I did there?"
crap.


The customs agent didn't abuse her power. If the paperwork is wrong she can't give him his boat. It's that simple. She offered to use her power in his favor by overlooking the paperwork. That's not totalitarianism. If anything it's the opposite. She saw the rules were in the way and was willing to bypass them to give him his boat. He refused and hey, he may have been right and that form may have come back to bite him but it isn't an overstep of power to do exactly what she should have done.
 
2013-02-22 04:41:29 PM

bunner: There are usually two distinct camps that emerge in the face of flatulent bureaucracy and overreaching authority.  One is certain that if you just alway play along and do as you are told, that they probably wont stick it  in too far and you should be grateful.  The other camp usually rankles and tells the flatulent bureaucracy to go take a flying f*ck at a rolling doughnut.  Guess which faction knocked this country together.


it's absolutely astounding how many bootlickers are in this thread. I thought i had seen the worst of Fark after lurking for literally YEARS, but today I learned a new lesson in herpa derpa doo. This thread appears to be the diametric oppsite of a cop thread. I find that ironic as hell.
 
2013-02-22 04:41:54 PM

Ace Rimmer: untaken_name: Ace Rimmer: Any financial loss he is incurring now is completely of his own making.

So he made the rules? Interesting. You don't know what most words mean, do you? "Completely" is a pretty simple one. Look it up.

He is importing a boat.
There are rules about importing a boat.
One of those rules is he sign a form.
He refused to sign the form.

Completely of his own making.


You seem to have left some things out:

One of the rules of the form is that the information must be accurate.
The information was not accurate.
The customs official would not update the information to be accurate.
Changing the info would have been a trivial matter for the customs official.
She decided to seize his boat instead and laugh in his face.

Completely not of his own making.
 
2013-02-22 04:41:55 PM

HindiDiscoMonster: The customs agent said it can slide. She called another agent, who also said to let it slide. The blogger didn't want to let it slide so he doesn't get his boat.

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//maybe you should actually CTFA


You're right. She didn't consult the other agent. Otherwise my point stands. He wanted the paperwork to be correct so now he gets to wait for the corrected paperwork and customs holds his boat.
 
2013-02-22 04:42:13 PM

abhorrent1: He's probably one of those douchebags that refuses to show his receipt when he leaves a store too.


Yeah, this.

It's really hard to tell who's being more stupid in this sorry tale, but this time, I have to say it's the boat owner. So, yay you, you stood up for your "principles" but legally you lose, DHS has your boat and no legal reason to give it back and you will have to hire a pricey lawyer to find a way to make them. She was being a bureaucratic coont, but the better thing would be to sign her damn paper, put the correction in the margin, get her name, and IF there were any repercussions (unlikely), put it back on her.

It's hard to feel sorry for someone who sounds like such an asshole.
 
2013-02-22 04:42:29 PM

odinsposse: bunner: odinsposse: It was never his property. That's the point that the blogger and every "Government robbery!" person in here is missing. It was transferred from the manufacturer to customs. Customs holds it until it gets released.

I'm sorry, I missed the part where sutoms paid for the boat.  My bad.

He owns it but that doesn't mean he can legally possess it. If something I own gets put into police evidence I'm still the owner.


something something possession is 9/10 or something
 
2013-02-22 04:46:35 PM

HindiDiscoMonster: it's absolutely astounding how many bootlickers are in this thread. I thought i had seen the worst of Fark after lurking for literally YEARS, but today I learned a new lesson in herpa derpa doo. This thread appears to be the diametric oppsite of a cop thread. I find that ironic as hell.


No, no, see, you're missing the point.  It's OK to f*ck this guy around because he can afford a boat.
 
2013-02-22 04:46:41 PM

mooseyfate: If he turns out to be a sovereign citizen, you hold him down and I'll shiat in his mouth.


You can count on me.
 
2013-02-22 04:49:34 PM

Ace Rimmer: bunner: Ace Rimmer: I should also remind you that if I show up and the boat is not ready for inspection, I am going to start charging you $1000 for every hour I sit there waiting.

You're fired.

Awesome, it is still your responsibility to havd your cargo/merchandise ready for inspection.

Oh, and I might be going away, but your fine is still going up until my replacement shows up

And your dock fees

And what ever your paying for the crane

Etc.


I think what's important here is that you get to say what's what, what's not, how much and when and where and that's that.  You're good at it.  I think you should look into civil service.
 
2013-02-22 04:52:32 PM

bunner: HindiDiscoMonster: it's absolutely astounding how many bootlickers are in this thread. I thought i had seen the worst of Fark after lurking for literally YEARS, but today I learned a new lesson in herpa derpa doo. This thread appears to be the diametric oppsite of a cop thread. I find that ironic as hell.

No, no, see, you're missing the point.  It's OK to f*ck this guy around because he can afford a boat.


OIC so it is Fark consistent. Carry on then.
 
2013-02-22 04:55:20 PM
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2013-02-22 05:02:59 PM

mongbiohazard: Ace Rimmer: untaken_name: Ace Rimmer: Any financial loss he is incurring now is completely of his own making.

So he made the rules? Interesting. You don't know what most words mean, do you? "Completely" is a pretty simple one. Look it up.

He is importing a boat.
There are rules about importing a boat.
One of those rules is he sign a form.
He refused to sign the form.

Completely of his own making.

You seem to have left some things out:

One of the rules of the form is that the information must be accurate.
The information was not accurate.
The customs official would not update the information to be accurate.
Changing the info would have been a trivial matter for the customs official.
She decided to seize his boat instead and laugh in his face.

Completely not of his own making.


The form wants to know the price of the boat

It is supposed to be in US$

The price accidentally got recorded in CA$

The price is still recorded on the form

The error was insignificant and the officer was apparently satisfied that there was no reason not to release the boat

Then he decided to completely make his own reason for not getting his boat.
 
2013-02-22 05:03:55 PM

Obiwontaun: Marcus Aurelius: Knowingly filing false information on a federal form is punishable by up to 5 years in prison.

My guess is the form in question was the invoice from the manufacturer showing the CAD which would not be a federal document. Customs people are actually pretty easy to deal with as long as you don't piss them off.


Why would customs require him to sign it then?  They are concerned about their own forms, and no one else's.
 
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