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(Uncrunched)   "A person with a gun and a government badge asked me to swear in writing that a lie was true today. And when I didn't do what she wanted, she simply took my boat and asked me to leave"   (uncrunched.com) divider line 471
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2013-02-22 10:59:07 AM

xaratherus: oldfarthenry: This Looks Fun: Mmm... I don't think it's that simple. If it's like California, they'll want to know the sale price so they know how much to charge you in property tax when you register it in state. So if the price says $550000(CA) and he actually paid $500000(US) then he's got to pay taxes on an extra $50k.

As repeated before, the yank dollar & canuck loonie have been hovering around par with each other for the last few years. This was nitpicking over cents.

And as has been repeated before, do you think that a bureaucracy that would have screwed up the currency on the form in the first place would hesitate for one second to turn around and fine this guy later for knowingly signing a federal form that contained invalid information?

The blogger wasn't nitpicking over the amount; he was nitpicking over the fact that the government got the form wrong  and had he signed it more than likely would have later come back to punish  him for their mistake.


Good point. The boat company SHOULD have supplied a US-dollar invoice. Most companies up here do that when selling to the US.
 
2013-02-22 10:59:43 AM
And this is the same caring bureaucracy that we trust to make health care work.  And save social security.  And protect our borders.
 
2013-02-22 11:00:07 AM
Why didn't he buy a 'Murican boat. U.S.A. U.S.A. U.S.A.
 
2013-02-22 11:00:25 AM

Snarfangel: Rapmaster2000: I'm enjoying how the "SUPPORT THE TROOPS" community is in here playing like they're rebels.  If you changed DHS to Marine Corps then who was in the wrong would turn 180 degrees.

Gah! I hate filling out Marine Corps forms. I can never remember how many o's  are in oorah, and the damned spell checker keeps changing it to Oprah.


I cannot stand here and listen to traitors disparage our men and women in uniform who are out there protecting our freedom.   How do you think they feel hearing people on the internet criticize them?  That's why I always support our COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF when America is at war.
 
2013-02-22 11:01:12 AM
I would not have signed as well, for the reasons people have already stated.

That does not mean the author wasn't the douchebag in this story.  The drone had no ability to alter policy.  He needed to either accept that and make arrangements to wait for an opportunity to speak with someone who could, hire a professional who knows how to navigate the import bureaucracy, or just not be a douchebag.  She got excited?  Damn well bet your ass she did after you acted like a douchebag.  Sucks to be a douchebag, douchebag.
 
2013-02-22 11:02:12 AM
DHS: "It's just paperwork, it doesn't matter"

Right. It's just a federal crime. NBD.
I mean, sure, it can be used as "evidence" to justify some other search, seizure or fishing expedition.
But, you're probably already guilty of a few other such crimes, so what's one more?
 
2013-02-22 11:02:25 AM
This blows my mind, that this guy is getting no sympathy. If he'd "just gone along with it" sooner or later that clerical error would have been used to screw him in some other way by some other bureaucrat.

HURF DURF GOVERNMENT CORRUPTION IS BORING SO THEY CAN ROB PEOPLE NOW I STOPPED CARING
 
2013-02-22 11:02:52 AM

AccuJack: Molavian: JerkyMeat: meddleRPI: Oh no, bureaucratic process has to be satisfied. There may have to be another form to be filed.

TRULY THE TERRORISTS HAVE WON.

No, GOPers have won. This the America they crave.

F*ckballs.  I can't stand all the f*cking morons on this site who think there's a difference between the political parties.  They're all out to screw us, and most of us sit here pointing fingers at each other.  Everyone here is more like each other than we are like them, and that's the f*cking truth.

Amen.  Nowadays when anyone on the Internet or in person identifies themselves as a member of any party, or tries to describe political ideologies like "liberal" or "conservative" as if they were describing types of fruit in a grocery store, I can pretty much assume they're delusional, gullible, or emotionally needy.

People want to badly to belong to something that they'll join up with the first group that cons them into it, and separating them from it after that is like deprogramming a cult member.


That's why I don't vote for the Republicrats or the Democans like the rest of the sheeple.  I'm a libertarian like Dr. Ron Paul.  I have my own ideas that can't fit in some box.  I'm a free thinker.  A loner.  A rebel.
 
2013-02-22 11:03:12 AM

Barricaded Gunman: FTFA: What struck me the most about the situation is how excited she got about seizing the boat. Like she was just itching for something like this to happen. This was a very happy day for her.

This is the part that galls me, perhaps the most. Putting seizure authority in the hands of resentful idots who should rightfully be bagging groceries is a bad idea, and telling them they're some kind of Super Patriots protecting America from terrorists is worse.


On one hand, this is probably accurate... but just to play devils advocate, it might have been the one day of the year (or of her career) where she actually did something, rather than act as a glorified garage attendant exchanging keys for paperwork.  It could just be she was happy she actually had a job for that one day.
 
2013-02-22 11:03:40 AM

pxlboy: Giltric: It's a dude buying a boat and it got seized.

Fark libs love nothing more than scenarios like this where someone with more money than them have their property seized.

Odds are they were just as giddy about the property seizure as the homeland security jackbooted thug was.

Put down the crack pipe



Jealous cause I am smoking more than my fair share?

You got no crack, your moms on welfare. you can't afford none....

Want some?

SIKE!

www.mpshaw.co.uk
 
2013-02-22 11:05:21 AM

xaratherus: Other than the part in the article where he asks to do this and the DHS-customs official tells him he\she can't?


That's not what he said:

"I pointed out the error and suggested that we simply change the currency from US $ to CAD $ so that is was correct. Or instead, amend the amount so that it was correct in U.S. dollars ... The DHS agent didn't care about the error and told me to sign the form anyway. "It's just paperwork, it doesn't matter," she said. I declined."

He was asking her to make changes to the document. She didn't care about making changes and just wanted him to sign. All he had to do was do it himself, manually. Based on his own account, he was not forbidden from doing so and was not told he couldn't, he just didn't do it, presumably because he wanted it done "officially" by the agent - which was unnecessary. As I said, I've done this before on official documents. It's no big deal.

He could have just grabbed it out of her hands and done it himself, I suppose

Do you think she kept a firm grip on it the entire time? He was there to sign the paperwork, so clearly the paperwork was in his possession at that point otherwise he couldn't have read and signed it. He could have easily initialed in the change when he had the paperwork and a pen there in his hands.
 
2013-02-22 11:05:56 AM

WireFire2: DarkSoulNoHope:

No, he has jack squat. He was importing a boat and refused to cooperate with the customs process. The boat was already in the possession of customs and they simply didn't let him have it for not finishing the paperwork. He already paid the taxes on it and the dollar value on the paper was really unimportant. If you literally have a government agent telling you it didn't matter and he signed it, then they tried to charge him with a crime for the incorrect numbers then that would be entrapment.


Armchair lawyer much?

Back at you:  If he signed it, they'd be able to legally charge him with a crime, because he committed one, that of knowingly stating that incorrect information was true... they call that fraud, perjury, falsifying documents, and several other things depending on where you do it.  At the most basic level, he had a choice whether to commit the crime (however trivial) or not.  In order to have a hope of defense against that he'd have to prove he was forced or coerced to sign the document without any record of the conversation.  A jury wouldn't share his feelings about getting his boat, they'd say "Well, that was dumb." and find him guilty.

Also, if he just goes with it and doesn't get prosecuted for falsifying the document, he's stuck with that price forever, it's almost impossible to correct after the fact.  States use boat prices to calculate things like annual license fees and taxes too, so he might well be stuck paying extra for the boat forever.

He's still dumb, though.  I can almost hear him thinking "I won't sign this because it's wrong.  That'll force them to fix this broken system!".  Nope.
 
2013-02-22 11:06:37 AM
never buy a boat or a pool. make really good friends with someone who has one or both. Unless of course you can afford to pay someone else to maintain them, but then again you're still better off burning $20 bills in the backyard.
 
2013-02-22 11:06:52 AM
ciberido:
If you really want a simple paradigm that somewhat explains how liberals and conservatives think, try this one:  Both liberals and conservatives care deeply about fairness, but the problem is, they see fairness differently.  For liberals, fairness is about EQUALITY.  "It's not fair," your hypothetical liberal might say, "that this guy here dines on caviar every day, while this women over here struggles to afford milk and bread."  For conservatives, fairness is about PROPORTIONALITY.  "It's not fair," your hypothetical conservative might say, "that this guy only works part-time 20 hours a week, and this woman puts in 80-hour weeks, but then the government takes money away from this hard-working woman and gives it to this lazy bum who didn't earn it."

I agree to an extent. Conservative "fairness" is trying to treat everyone equal, while liberal "fairness" is trying to make everyone equal. Which view you take depends on your perception of the role of government.
 
2013-02-22 11:07:35 AM
i.imgur.com

Sounds like someone had a boaking accident.
 
2013-02-22 11:07:48 AM

oldfarthenry: xaratherus: oldfarthenry: This Looks Fun: Mmm... I don't think it's that simple. If it's like California, they'll want to know the sale price so they know how much to charge you in property tax when you register it in state. So if the price says $550000(CA) and he actually paid $500000(US) then he's got to pay taxes on an extra $50k.

As repeated before, the yank dollar & canuck loonie have been hovering around par with each other for the last few years. This was nitpicking over cents.

And as has been repeated before, do you think that a bureaucracy that would have screwed up the currency on the form in the first place would hesitate for one second to turn around and fine this guy later for knowingly signing a federal form that contained invalid information?

The blogger wasn't nitpicking over the amount; he was nitpicking over the fact that the government got the form wrong  and had he signed it more than likely would have later come back to punish  him for their mistake.

Good point. The boat company SHOULD have supplied a US-dollar invoice. Most companies up here do that when selling to the US.


The only reason for the dollar amount is to calculate duty.... which, since he doesn't mention it at all, I assume they weren't going to charge him. In that case it truly didn't matter what amount was written in that block, on a form that is going to spend all of its life sitting in a cardboard box next to Indy's ark.
 
2013-02-22 11:08:24 AM
I'm seething with contempt for everybody who thinks this guy was wrong for not rolling over. You're all the people who were applauding when Padme said liberty dies with thundering applause.
 
2013-02-22 11:08:59 AM
tricycleracer: Peasant loses boat due to minor clerical error.  Film at 11.

Fixed that for you from the Governmental perspective.

/Bonus points for proper use of Pedant, however.
//English has so many great words that we just don't use very well anymore.
 
2013-02-22 11:09:08 AM

bluefox3681: And this is the same caring bureaucracy that we trust to make health care work.  And save social security.  And protect our borders.


DHS is not HHS - you can tell by the spelling.

// but if you're married to the idea, it's also the same bureaucracy that fights our wars
 
2013-02-22 11:09:31 AM

Spaghetti Eatin' Goombah: oldfarthenry: This Looks Fun: Mmm... I don't think it's that simple. If it's like California, they'll want to know the sale price so they know how much to charge you in property tax when you register it in state. So if the price says $550000(CA) and he actually paid $500000(US) then he's got to pay taxes on an extra $50k.

As repeated before, the yank dollar & canuck loonie have been hovering around par with each other for the last few years. This was nitpicking over cents.

The boat easily costs > 500,000CAD.  At today's exchange rate, that is 488,000USD or a difference of 12K.  They are asking him to value it at 500K USD vs. 488K.  A bit more than "nipicking over cents"  It's a yacht, not a diet coke


Exactly. I thought that was the point I made, but apparently my round number estimates were difficult to understand. Yours works better.
 
2013-02-22 11:09:39 AM

untaken_name: I wonder what crime they're going to charge the boat with so they get to keep it.


How about "We think you were going to use it to smuggle drugs."  They keep your boat, and they don't have to prove anything.
 
2013-02-22 11:10:04 AM

Ant: Flakeloaf: K. One more time: When the authorities tell you to do something stupid, DO IT, look stupid doing it, and call them on it later once the situation is over and everyone's calmed down. Escalating just gets you whatever this is.

...and when they come back and say you signed your name to a false statement, what do you do then?

This is not about a rich guy and his  farkingboat.


Forget that, here is what happens:

Nothing, until he attempts to register/insure/sell. Then someone notices that number a and number b don't match. He must now get proof that number b is wrong, but then that means the number in the computer is wrong. Computers are not wrong, he must be wrong, so why are you disagreeing with computer? Your boat must be registered, but you didn't register it, go to that line and register it. That's odd, number a doesn't match number b, I can't click OK on the computer until number a matches number b. Look, go fix the numbers before coming here, to fix the numbers take your registration to line 6. You need your registration info before you can submit this form. Register in line 3. I'm sorry, but this office closes in 2 hours, so we won't take your forms now, come back on Wednesday. We are open from 10am to 3pm but we stop processing at 1pm so arrive early, its about a 2 hour wait. Excuse me, but is that your boat? Why isn't it registered, and is it Canadian? Are you carrying any drugs? Do you not mind if I do not search your boat? You are going to wait there a dog is on its way. The dog alerted, why did you hide something in there. Hands behind your back while we rip out your boats internals. This laptop is within 100 miles of the border and this boat is from Canada. We are going to confiscate these electronics unless you give us the password....
 
2013-02-22 11:10:28 AM

joeskunk: This blows my mind, that this guy is getting no sympathy.


Oh, I totally sympathize with him. He got screwed by a drone mindlessly following bureaucracy. The woman was an idiot, no question.

Still think, though, that based on his account he handled it wrong when he could have easily addressed it right there on the spot, no muss, no fuss, without ever having to raise a stink.
 
2013-02-22 11:10:59 AM

Spaghetti Eatin' Goombah: oldfarthenry: This Looks Fun: Mmm... I don't think it's that simple. If it's like California, they'll want to know the sale price so they know how much to charge you in property tax when you register it in state. So if the price says $550000(CA) and he actually paid $500000(US) then he's got to pay taxes on an extra $50k.

As repeated before, the yank dollar & canuck loonie have been hovering around par with each other for the last few years. This was nitpicking over cents.

The boat easily costs > 500,000CAD.  At today's exchange rate, that is 488,000USD or a difference of 12K.  They are asking him to value it at 500K USD vs. 488K.  A bit more than "nipicking over cents"  It's a yacht, not a diet coke


Those numbers would have been reversed at the time of sale (the loonie was above par then). I'd prefer to be a few k off then have a frickin' major investment confiscated - like a Diet Coke by a lunch room bully.
 
2013-02-22 11:11:15 AM

Giltric: pxlboy: Giltric: It's a dude buying a boat and it got seized.

Fark libs love nothing more than scenarios like this where someone with more money than them have their property seized.

Odds are they were just as giddy about the property seizure as the homeland security jackbooted thug was.

Put down the crack pipe


Jealous cause I am smoking more than my fair share?

You got no crack, your moms on welfare. you can't afford none....

Want some?

SIKE!

[www.mpshaw.co.uk image 850x478]


It's "psyche" as in psyched you out.  Tricked you.
 
2013-02-22 11:11:54 AM

Ace Rimmer: The only reason for the dollar amount is to calculate duty.... which, since he doesn't mention it at all, I assume they weren't going to charge him. In that case it truly didn't matter what amount was written in that block, on a form that is going to spend all of its life sitting in a cardboard box next to Indy's ark.


You're not referring to THIS part of TFA, are you? : My job was to show up and sign forms and then leave with Buddy (WA sales tax and registration fees come a week later).
 
2013-02-22 11:12:24 AM
I hate rich people as much as the next person but this is bullshiat. He said in the comments that she wouldn't let him change the form, and she imo withheld information from her boss so she could take the boat.

Bullshiat.

I also hope that people who have guns and this kind of authority aren't making 9 dollar an hour or the theft will be through the roof. [I'm assuming it is.]
 
2013-02-22 11:15:53 AM

Langdon Alger: never buy a boat or a pool. make really good friends with someone who has one or both. Unless of course you can afford to pay someone else to maintain them, but then again you're still better off burning $20 bills in the backyard.


Definitely on the boat, but as a pool owner I can say it's not that bad from a financial cost perspective.  I probably spend about $500 a year on chemicals, assorted fixes, and amortizing the cost of multi-year use equipment (robot vacuum, solar cover, winter cover).

The issue is time.  I probably spend about 4 hours a week doing something with it.  It's pressure washing the deck, scrubbing the walls, cleaning the vacuum, skimming, etc..  The opportunity cost is what gets you.
 
2013-02-22 11:16:02 AM
Rostin:  I'm a US citizen, and I very recently got married to someone currently in the US on a student visa. We are about to begin the green card process. My wife thinks it's no big deal, but I've heard so many immigration horror stories and dealt with bureaucracies enough in general that I'm a hair's breadth away from shelling out the $1000-$2000 that a lawyer would charge, just to reduce the chances of things going wrong. It's a lot of money, but the consequences of failure seem very high. The most maddening thing about it is knowing that even though we have done nothing wrong, we could still get dicked over because of an innocent mistake combined with some stupid policy that makes no sense.

Pro tip: don't fark around with immigration forms. If you fark it up, it can have serious consequences that can haunt you and your wife for a very long time, as you already suggested. I went through the visa process with the State Dept and permanent residency with USCIS with help of an immigration attorney. It wasn't cheap, but it was money well spent.
 
2013-02-22 11:16:42 AM

Amurica...Fark Ya!: /rant on

I have enjoyed boating on Lake Michigan for over five years now.  I have a 115hp Johnson that I maintain and it has never given me any problems.  I paid 2,500 for it along with the boat it came with (17ft Starcraft)...what I don't understand is all this biatching about how owning a boat sucks. Just because your broke ass doesn't live on the best freshwater lake in the world doesn't mean the rest of us don't know how to take care of a boat.

/rant off


If you live next to Lake Erie, why boat on Lake Michigan?

/ Northern Ohioan
// Cedar Point rules
 
2013-02-22 11:17:21 AM

Aidan: kendelrio: FTFA: "Buying this boat was one of the worst decisions I've ever made, and the nightmare is only just starting."said every boat owner, ever.

Always be the FRIEND of the guy with the boat. NEVER be the guy with the boat.

(I think Tim Ferriss said that)


 If it floats, flies, or f#cks, rent it.
 
2013-02-22 11:17:22 AM

Flakeloaf: K. One more time: When the authorities tell you to do something stupid, DO IT, look stupid doing it, and call them on it later once the situation is over and everyone's calmed down. Escalating just gets you whatever this is.


At least wait until 1984 happens before you start acting this way. Geez man.
 
2013-02-22 11:17:38 AM
As usual, I took the "or else" option. And the bastards stole my boat.
I'll probably get droned now, too.


Oh f*cking waaahh. You noticed an error, thought it was important enough to correct before proceeding, and it turns out things aren't as simple as you thought. That f*cking sucks, and I really feel for you. Up until you decided to go all conspiracy nutter and think that you're important enough for domestic spying. I hope you get your boat and the matter is settled, but please stop pretending to be a persecuted victim and inferring that you're now on some list of political troublemakers. You got screwed by a government error. Welcome to America, dude. There's nothing more here to it than that.
 
2013-02-22 11:18:18 AM

Obiwontaun: Marcus Aurelius: Knowingly filing false information on a federal form is punishable by up to 5 years in prison.

My guess is the form in question was the invoice from the manufacturer showing the CAD which would not be a federal document. Customs people are actually pretty easy to deal with as long as you don't piss them off.


well that clears everything up
 
2013-02-22 11:19:20 AM

orclover: She wasn't looking for a bribe, she wasnt willing to spend time or risk punishment for trying to correct a problem that was not her farking problem..SHES PAID $9 A farkING HOUR AND DOES NOT GIVE A fark, she hands you something, you sign it, she moves on to her smoke break.  If you rich farking idiots cant figure that out, then you lose your farking boat you farking assholes.


Congratulations on being part of the problem I referenced upthread. Giving situational authority over perceived "rich guys" to angry, low-paid, chip on their shoulder, bureau-tards like this woman (and presumably you) is a recipe for this sort of abuse. "Spending time correcting a problem" is this woman's job, but like most low-level functionaries she'd rather focus on petty vengeance for how her life has worked out so far. Blaming the boat guy for not wanting to attest to something that he knew was false is beyond foolish.
 
2013-02-22 11:20:41 AM

PanicMan: dittybopper: Molavian: ModernLuddite: Dick Gozinya: When we stop fighting for our principles, we truly are a bankrupt country.

You realize that you are talking about boat ownership, right?

That's why America is no longer the greatest country on earth.  That attitude right there.

This.

It's like owning property is now a *BAD* thing.

If America is no longer the greatest country on Earth, then what is?


There doesn't have to be a greatest.  There can be a "least sucky".
 
2013-02-22 11:20:49 AM

ERNesbitt: ciberido:
If you really want a simple paradigm that somewhat explains how liberals and conservatives think, try this one:  Both liberals and conservatives care deeply about fairness, but the problem is, they see fairness differently.  For liberals, fairness is about EQUALITY.  "It's not fair," your hypothetical liberal might say, "that this guy here dines on caviar every day, while this women over here struggles to afford milk and bread."  For conservatives, fairness is about PROPORTIONALITY.  "It's not fair," your hypothetical conservative might say, "that this guy only works part-time 20 hours a week, and this woman puts in 80-hour weeks, but then the government takes money away from this hard-working woman and gives it to this lazy bum who didn't earn it."

I agree to an extent. Conservative "fairness" is trying to treat everyone equal, while liberal "fairness" is trying to make everyone equal. Which view you take depends on your perception of the role of government.


I would endorse the ERNesbitt's statement - it's that whole 'equality of opportunity' vs 'equality of outcome' question.  Admittedly, I'm biased as someone who tends towards the conservative side.

But back to TFA in question here, I think the owner should have made an amendmnent to the document, initialed and dated said amendment and seen what happened from there.  From where I sit, worst case outcome of that would have been the outcome that he's dealing with now - they would have held the boat until the proper invoice from the shipper of record was supplied.

Worth a shot in my opinion.  As for the fine and ass-pain he'll be going through now, remember what BOAT stands for - Break Out Another Thousand (dollars is implied).
 
2013-02-22 11:21:04 AM
It sounds like he did everything right and the overzealous agent should be fired. Who else has she treated similarly who didn't have as loud a pulpit?

And let me just tell you that after years of working with a lot of DHS employees this doesn't surprise me one bit. Of all the agencies they seem to have the highest amount of farktards. A buddy of mine who works for a sensitive governemt agency has had run-ins with some of the same bozos I have. When I asked him what the deal was he told me that whenever they have someone who is a problem to work with but don't want to deal with the onerous process of firing them (or it's just that they're difficult dickbags which in and of itself isn't fireable) they literally arrange to give the problem person a promotion to a better job in DHS to get them out of their hair.
 
2013-02-22 11:21:09 AM

internut scholar: tricycleracer: So the real lesson here is to buy American.

Do you know why there aren't many boat builders left in the USA?

Hint, take a look around this place.


Hmm, from the tone of the article, this guys is the first person ever to import a boat from Canada.
 
2013-02-22 11:22:27 AM

BigLuca: People like this should wear a badge that says, "I am the most difficult person in the world, deal with me at your own risk," so people that have a choice in the matter can just walk away.


It's sad that so many people think being honest and refusing to lie is being difficult. If he had lied, signed the paper and then been prosecuted for it you people would have called him stupid for that. There's no winning. At least he's a man of integrity.
 
2013-02-22 11:22:44 AM

shoegaze99: Do you think she kept a firm grip on it the entire time? He was there to sign the paperwork, so clearly the paperwork was in his possession at that point otherwise he couldn't have read and signed it. He could have easily initialed in the change when he had the paperwork and a pen there in his hands.


I've edited my share of contracts in my time as well. I worked in the repossessions and total loss department for a major car finance company for a couple of years, and hand-corrected a number of mistakes on the various payoff documents.

In about 25% of those cases, the insurance company refused to accept the hand-written corrections and reissued the form with the correction made themselves before they would release the payoff to the financer.

Maybe she would have accepted it after he altered it. Maybe she would have stopped him or refused to accept it. Personally, I wouldn't have taken the chance.
 
2013-02-22 11:23:12 AM
Some people leave swirling eddies of drama in their wake naturally
 
2013-02-22 11:23:32 AM

mongbiohazard: Who else has she treated similarly who didn't have as loud a pulpit?


Yes. Who else can afford to import a boat and doesn't have access to the internet!?
 
2013-02-22 11:24:15 AM
Customs broker, lawyer, big brother, someone should have gone along with him to make this transaction.

Sorry, but when you are dealing with bureaucracy you're dealing with bullies. Have someone along who, if they can't actually assist in the moment, be able to back you up and witness what's going on so you have more of a leg to stand on.
 
2013-02-22 11:25:19 AM

LowbrowDeluxe: I would not have signed as well, for the reasons people have already stated.

That does not mean the author wasn't the douchebag in this story.  The drone had no ability to alter policy.  He needed to either accept that and make arrangements to wait for an opportunity to speak with someone who could, hire a professional who knows how to navigate the import bureaucracy, or just not be a douchebag.  She got excited?  Damn well bet your ass she did after you acted like a douchebag.  Sucks to be a douchebag, douchebag.


yeah, you're right... he should have signed it and just sucked it up when they charged him with perjury later and seized the boat anyway. that would have been a much better way to go.
 
2013-02-22 11:26:35 AM

ModernLuddite: Dick Gozinya: When we stop fighting for our principles, we truly are a bankrupt country.

You realize that you are talking about boat ownership, right?



The 2.5th Amendment:  The right to float boats without having them seized for frivolous reasons shall not be impaired.
 
2013-02-22 11:28:27 AM
What a pedantic little prick. Have we dug up his Fark handle yet?
 
2013-02-22 11:31:21 AM

abhorrent1: He's probably one of those douchebags that refuses to show his receipt when he leaves a store too.


So all someone has to do to be a douchebag is stand up for their rights?  That's bullshiat.  When I go to a store and buy something and get my receipt, I'm done.  If some door nazi wants to see my receipt, he's going to be disappointed.  I paid for it and I will not show them my receipt unless they can prove to my satisfaction  they have good cause to  see it.  One reason the country has gone down the toilet is so many people just submit to whatever crap government imposes on them.
 
2013-02-22 11:31:27 AM
Perhaps the DHS lady recognized the owner of the boat and decided she didn't like him or his attitude. After all, he does have a propensity for being an asshat and a troll.

/Karma is a biatch.
// It's still no excuse for government heavy-handedness.
 
2013-02-22 11:33:10 AM

This Looks Fun: Ace Rimmer: The only reason for the dollar amount is to calculate duty.... which, since he doesn't mention it at all, I assume they weren't going to charge him. In that case it truly didn't matter what amount was written in that block, on a form that is going to spend all of its life sitting in a cardboard box next to Indy's ark.

You're not referring to THIS part of TFA, are you? : My job was to show up and sign forms and then leave with Buddy (WA sales tax and registration fees come a week later).


WA sales tax and registration fees are not US Customs duties....
The state of WA would have used the invoice to calculate sales tax and fees not his customs declaration.
 
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