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(Uncrunched)   "A person with a gun and a government badge asked me to swear in writing that a lie was true today. And when I didn't do what she wanted, she simply took my boat and asked me to leave"   (uncrunched.com) divider line 471
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2013-02-22 10:26:16 AM  

fastfxr: He's a douche. Sign the document, pay the inevitable fine that arises from signing a government form that has incorrect information on it, and get your boat.

I'm sure you've done far worse.


Fixed that for you.

/Seriously, how are people overlooking this?
//A bureaucracy that would screw up the form in the first place will happily prosecute you for signing such a form, because even though the mistake was theirs, the form still said you verify that all information is correct
 
2013-02-22 10:26:34 AM  
Knowingly filing false information on a federal form is punishable by up to 5 years in prison.
 
2013-02-22 10:28:16 AM  
So the real lesson here is to buy American.
 
2013-02-22 10:29:31 AM  

Slam Dunkz: syberpud: The guy acted like a douche,

I don't see the douche part.  The form was wrong he wasn't going to sign it.  You're an idiot if you would.  If later one some controversy about him "illegally importing a boat" came up later and it came out that he knew the form was wrong and signed it anyway you'd be the guy here saying "He was a douche for signing when he knew it was wrong".   Get over yourself.  He noticed the error and even explained how to correct it so they could move on past this and the DHS got all AUTHORITAH on him.


This post reminded me of my own fun at the border, years ago. I had a work visa at the time, and I got married. I figured I'd do the marriage visa whenever, since I was STILL working. Apparently this was horribly wrong and I was "forcing" the agent to "let me back in" the country. Because... I... lived here...?

So yeah, I agree with the guy in the story. You don't let yourself sign crap like that. He could have handled it better, but the agent could have not been a useless tit, too. Since I assume making sure the forms are correctly signed to HER department's standards would be HER JOB.
 
2013-02-22 10:29:31 AM  

PanicMan: dittybopper: Molavian: ModernLuddite: Dick Gozinya: When we stop fighting for our principles, we truly are a bankrupt country.

You realize that you are talking about boat ownership, right?

That's why America is no longer the greatest country on earth.  That attitude right there.

This.

It's like owning property is now a *BAD* thing.

If America is no longer the greatest country on Earth, then what is?


Madagascar.

Safest country on earth.
 
2013-02-22 10:29:33 AM  

dready zim: Agent Smiths Laugh: BigLuca: People like this should wear a badge that says, "I am the most difficult person in the world, deal with me at your own risk," so people that have a choice in the matter can just walk away.

Hey, that's fine so long as the DHS agent has to wear a badge saying, "I am incompetent at my job and can't do arithmetic."

Why not have both people wear the first badge? Or both badges?


Hmm, perhaps, but I think the onus lies mostly with the agent since the agent was performing a government duty in an official capacity, and is thus expected to perform said duty correctly, legally, and to the best of her ability. Though, it seems, the best of her ability isn't very good.

But this thread seems to lean heavily in the capitulation camp.

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2013-02-22 10:29:42 AM  

tricycleracer: So the real lesson here is to buy American.


My takeaway from the story is to get out of 'Murikka as soon as possible.
 
2013-02-22 10:30:21 AM  

meddleRPI: Oh no, bureaucratic process has to be satisfied. There may have to be another form to be filed.

TRULY THE TERRORISTS HAVE WON.


No, GOPers have won. This the America they crave.
 
2013-02-22 10:32:24 AM  

Giltric: It's a dude buying a boat and it got seized.

Fark libs love nothing more than scenarios like this where someone with more money than them have their property seized.

Odds are they were just as giddy about the property seizure as the homeland security jackbooted thug was.


Put down the crack pipe
 
2013-02-22 10:32:47 AM  

tricycleracer: So the real lesson here is to buy American.


Do you know why there aren't many boat builders left in the USA?

Hint, take a look around this place.
 
2013-02-22 10:32:58 AM  
Regardless of the situation, it is always a bad idea to sign paperwork that has errors or inaccuracies .
 
DGK
2013-02-22 10:33:36 AM  
If he had signed the paper with the wrong amount would it of caused further problems down the road? Like how much he had to pay to license it and stuff? Could this come out in some type of audit and he then gets accused of faking the form to hide money from the IRS?   Sorry but my first thought would be to sign the correct form - would of been easy for her to do.  She is just a idiot who is one brain cell away from crapping during a parade.
 
2013-02-22 10:34:19 AM  
I only read the first 30 posts or so, so this may already been said, but basically this amounts to a fortunate successful blogger making hay of a normal legitimate legal snafu that kept him from getting his way when he wanted it, the way he wanted it.

  And he already had something else to biatch about WRT his boat and this trumped that.

IANAL or a customs broker but... I believe it possible that this circumstance could be as simple the customs official tried to do the dumbass a favor and get him his goddamn boat without forcing him back through the bureaucratic engine of document reprocessing and replacement

Like a typical entitled biatch of our age his typical flaming blogger agenda was served by ginning up something to complain about, so he went with whining and wanking, riding the wave of blaming the due process needed to keep a complex society upright, honestly and safely managed by pointing at the time  a very important person was inconvenienced by its "failures"

Legal stuff so very primitive, unnecessary and obviously all the fault of big gubmint or all us other lesser humans
 
2013-02-22 10:35:05 AM  

pxlboy: Giltric: It's a dude buying a boat and it got seized.

Fark libs love nothing more than scenarios like this where someone with more money than them have their property seized.

Odds are they were just as giddy about the property seizure as the homeland security jackbooted thug was.

Put down the crack pipe


No shiat. I'm socially liberal, with a mixture of conservative and liberal fiscal ideals, and this is not something to be giddy about; it's a sign of the failure of the government, and a warning sign.
 
2013-02-22 10:35:36 AM  

JerkyMeat: meddleRPI: Oh no, bureaucratic process has to be satisfied. There may have to be another form to be filed.

TRULY THE TERRORISTS HAVE WON.

No, GOPers have won. This the America they crave.


Stupidity, immaturity and bigotry are bipartisan.
 
2013-02-22 10:36:39 AM  

digitalrain: Wrong Trousers: They want to know the value in US dollars and only US dollars because the exchange rate changes over time. They don't care about the actual currency he used - Mexican pesos, Chinese yuan or Canadian dollars. He should be thankful that the agent wasn't too fussy about the precise exchange rate he used. Instead he goes obsessive compulsive and loses his boat. He will spend thousands of dollars on a lawyer to haggle over a few dollars and to prove a meaningless point. His lawyer will grit his teeth, solve the problem, and share a laugh with a few close friends about his idiot client.

Seriously? You think he is being OC because he didn't want to legally and bindingly attest to information on a FEDERAL document that he knew was incorrect? It isn't like he asked her to re-draft the entire document. All he wanted was to either a) change USD to CAD or b) change the amount so that it reflected the correct amount.

If you lived in the US and were purchasing a home in CA for USD $250,000 and the mortgage documents mistakenly listed the sale price as USD $254,750 (CAD$254,750 is what US$250k converts to) wouldn't you want that corrected? Or are you cool with legally agreeing to pay almost $5k extra all because of a currency notation error?


Agree, especially when you are talking about a boat with a price tag well north of 500,000
 
2013-02-22 10:38:00 AM  
If he had bought an American make hole in the water to throw money in, he wouldn't have had to sound like such a whiny biatch.
 
2013-02-22 10:38:30 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Knowingly filing false information on a federal form is punishable by up to 5 years in prison.


My guess is the form in question was the invoice from the manufacturer showing the CAD which would not be a federal document. Customs people are actually pretty easy to deal with as long as you don't piss them off.
 
2013-02-22 10:38:49 AM  
Aidan: This post reminded me of my own fun at the border, years ago. I had a work visa at the time, and I got married. I figured I'd do the marriage visa whenever, since I was STILL working. Apparently this was horribly wrong and I was "forcing" the agent to "let me back in" the country. Because... I... lived here...?

So yeah, I agree with the guy in the story. You don't let yourself sign crap like that. He could have handled it better, but the agent could have not been a useless tit, too. Since I assume making sure the forms are correctly signed to HER department's standards would be HER JOB.


I'm a US citizen, and I very recently got married to someone currently in the US on a student visa. We are about to begin the green card process. My wife thinks it's no big deal, but I've heard so many immigration horror stories and dealt with bureaucracies enough in general that I'm a hair's breadth away from shelling out the $1000-$2000 that a lawyer would charge, just to reduce the chances of things going wrong. It's a lot of money, but the consequences of failure seem very high. The most maddening thing about it is knowing that even though we have done nothing wrong, we could still get dicked over because of an innocent mistake combined with some stupid policy that makes no sense.
 
2013-02-22 10:39:35 AM  
Bureaucrats making sure that people dot every i and cross every t: perfectly understandable, they are just doing their job.
Someone making sure that bureaucrats dot every i and cross every t: NO BOAT FOR YOU!
 
2013-02-22 10:39:57 AM  

Urmuf Hamer: I only read the first 30 posts or so, so this may already been said, but basically this amounts to a fortunate successful blogger making hay of a normal legitimate legal snafu that kept him from getting his way when he wanted it, the way he wanted it.

  And he already had something else to biatch about WRT his boat and this trumped that.

IANAL or a customs broker but... I believe it possible that this circumstance could be as simple the customs official tried to do the dumbass a favor and get him his goddamn boat without forcing him back through the bureaucratic engine of document reprocessing and replacement

Like a typical entitled biatch of our age his typical flaming blogger agenda was served by ginning up something to complain about, so he went with whining and wanking, riding the wave of blaming the due process needed to keep a complex society upright, honestly and safely managed by pointing at the time  a very important person was inconvenienced by its "failures"

Legal stuff so very primitive, unnecessary and obviously all the fault of big gubmint or all us other lesser humans


That's a bingo!
 
2013-02-22 10:40:00 AM  
I'm enjoying how the "SUPPORT THE TROOPS" community is in here playing like they're rebels.  If you changed DHS to Marine Corps then who was in the wrong would turn 180 degrees.
 
2013-02-22 10:40:20 AM  

Rostin: GoodyearPimp: People with lots of money sure do have lots of terrible problems.  "I can't take ownership of my boat due to some legalities."  Thanks, Obama.

I've heard liberals express confusion and frustration over the willingness of middle and lower class conservative people to defend tax cuts for the wealthy. Your comment helped me to see in a new way that this reflects a really fundamental difference in the thinking or maybe even the intuitions of the two groups. For conservatives, it really is about the principle of the thing. It doesn't matter to most of them that they'll never have enough money to import a boat and risk encountering problems such as this. It still pisses them off that someone has been treated this way.

For liberals, on the other hand, everything is about class. When that square peg won't fit in a round hole, pound harder.



You're not any closer to understanding liberals than you were yesterday.  You've just found a new way to demonize what you don't understand.

If you really want a simple paradigm that somewhat explains how liberals and conservatives think, try this one:  Both liberals and conservatives care deeply about fairness, but the problem is, they see fairness differently.  For liberals, fairness is about EQUALITY.  "It's not fair," your hypothetical liberal might say, "that this guy here dines on caviar every day, while this women over here struggles to afford milk and bread."  For conservatives, fairness is about PROPORTIONALITY.  "It's not fair," your hypothetical conservative might say, "that this guy only works part-time 20 hours a week, and this woman puts in 80-hour weeks, but then the government takes money away from this hard-working woman and gives it to this lazy bum who didn't earn it."

Granted, this may not be a great model of how liberal and conservatives minds work.  But it does have the advantage of being about eleventy billion times closer to the truth than that crap you just vomited up.

It's really not that one side is suffering from some horrible character flaw such as greed, laziness or selfishness.  Both sides care deeply about ethical or moral principles.  They just don't agree on which principles are most important.
 
Ant
2013-02-22 10:40:57 AM  

Flakeloaf: K. One more time: When the authorities tell you to do something stupid, DO IT, look stupid doing it, and call them on it later once the situation is over and everyone's calmed down. Escalating just gets you whatever this is.


...and when they come back and say you signed your name to a false statement, what do you do then?

This is not about a rich guy and his  farkingboat.
 
2013-02-22 10:41:41 AM  
 You want to save money?
SHUT DOWN THE DHS AND TSA.
We don't need them.
It's a farce that is sucking your money, and rights, and lives away.

Farking pants pooping cowards.
Stand up as Americans and tell your congress critters they are out of a job unless they restore their country back to pre 19/11/01 conditions.
What the fark is the matter with you people?

Oh, you're just going to lie back and think of the Queen?
 
2013-02-22 10:41:48 AM  
Rich people problems.
 
2013-02-22 10:44:11 AM  

Flakeloaf: K. One more time: When the authorities tell you to do something stupid, DO IT, look stupid doing it, and call them on it later once the situation is over and everyone's calmed down. Escalating just gets you whatever this is.


This is the dumbest thing I've read here today.

In case you don't know, there are absolutely a ton of little laws that the police and DHS can/will use to stuff you up and bend you over if you deliberately do something as trivial as sign and swear to a form that's not completely correct.  It's simply common sense these days to be pedantic and precise when you are filling out things like this.  To do otherwise is stupid.

It's in the same vein as kids who study to be accountants in college, finish their years of schooling with debt piled up, intern to get some accounting experience, take the CPA exam, and find out that they can't get their certificate because that one time in freshman year they got hauled downtown and fined $100 for trying to use a fake ID, which counts as a "falsified document" on their record.

I'd personally have corrected the form and signed the corrected version.  That changes the situation from "won't sign, therefore seize" to "our process doesn't allow form corrections, what do we do?" in which case they'd either officially re-issue the form with the correction or (more likely) ignore it because it's too much trouble to deal with.  The big advantage consumers have in dealing with most TSA and customs folks is that they're government employees, and therefore a high number of them are lazy as hell.

This guy started out smart, but then got dumb.  I dunno what he expected to happen, maybe he thought they'd just say "oh well, never mind!".
 
2013-02-22 10:46:18 AM  

Wrong Trousers: They want to know the value in US dollars and only US dollars because the exchange rate changes over time. They don't care about the actual currency he used - Mexican pesos, Chinese yuan or Canadian dollars. He should be thankful that the agent wasn't too fussy about the precise exchange rate he used. Instead he goes obsessive compulsive and loses his boat. He will spend thousands of dollars on a lawyer to haggle over a few dollars and to prove a meaningless point. His lawyer will grit his teeth, solve the problem, and share a laugh with a few close friends about his idiot client.


Mmm... I don't think it's that simple. If it's like California, they'll want to know the sale price so they know how much to charge you in property tax when you register it in state. So if the price says $550000(CA) and he actually paid $500000(US) then he's got to pay taxes on an extra $50k.
 
2013-02-22 10:46:24 AM  

JerkyMeat: meddleRPI: Oh no, bureaucratic process has to be satisfied. There may have to be another form to be filed.

TRULY THE TERRORISTS HAVE WON.

No, GOPers have won. This the America they crave.


F*ckballs.  I can't stand all the f*cking morons on this site who think there's a difference between the political parties.  They're all out to screw us, and most of us sit here pointing fingers at each other.  Everyone here is more like each other than we are like them, and that's the f*cking truth.
 
2013-02-22 10:46:37 AM  
One thing that I've got to point out:  he wasn't dealing with the DHS proper, he was dealing with US Customs.  While they can be assholes, it's like that with EVERY Customs agency around the world.  It's not a post-9/11 Jackboot thing, or even an uniquely American thing.  He kept calling them "DHS" because when people hear "Homeland Security" they automatically make the connection with TSA.
 
2013-02-22 10:46:57 AM  
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"Hmmmmmm"


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"Stop right there, I am confiscating your car. It's okay, I'm an insurance investigator"
 
Ant
2013-02-22 10:47:46 AM  

Giltric: It's a dude buying a boat and it got seized.

Fark libs love nothing more than scenarios like this where someone with more money than them have their property seized.

Odds are they were just as giddy about the property seizure as the homeland security jackbooted thug was.


It's got nothing to do with liberalism. This liberal thinks this kind of shiat is asinine.
 
2013-02-22 10:48:02 AM  
I'm sure many have said it already (haven't read the comments), but why not just cross out the incorrect part, correct & initial it, and sign the form? Perfectly legit. I've done it before on official documents and contracts. So has just about anyone who has worked with contracts.
 
2013-02-22 10:48:06 AM  
ciberido:

It's really not that one side is suffering from some horrible character flaw such as greed, laziness or selfishness.  Both sides care deeply about ethical or moral principles.  They just don't agree on which principles are most important.

This is correct, but it will never gain traction because people need to believe that others have deep character flaws.  It makes us look better by comparison.
 
2013-02-22 10:48:51 AM  
What the boat may look like, and I would have soooo swiped "Buddy"
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coastalcraft.com
 
2013-02-22 10:49:17 AM  
Rostin:
I'm a US citizen, and I very recently got married to someone currently in the US on a student visa. We are about to begin the green card process. My wife thinks it's no big deal, but I've heard so many immigration horror stories and dealt with bureaucracies enough in general that I'm a hair's breadth away from shelling out the $1000-$2000 that a lawyer would charge, just to reduce the chances of things going wrong. It's a lot of money, but the consequences of failure seem very high. The most maddening thing about it is knowing that even though we have done nothing wrong, we could still get dicked over because of an innocent mistake combined with some stupid policy that makes no sense.

I did it. I didn't like the lawyer, and I resented the fact that I did in fact pay $2000 for his counsel, BUT... I got my green card on the first try, and that was what was most important to me. Those fees they charge for the fingerprinting and "processing"? You pay those every time you need to apply, if you fail, if I remember correctly. So while I can't say you'll NEED a lawyer, I can say that I needed mine.

Most of what I paid for was this: Fill out EVERYTHING. Provide EXTRA data. In fact, flood them with as much data as you can, so they'll be so overwhelmed they'll pass your wife through because it'd be too much trouble to go through the stuff you gave them.

I'm only half-joking there. The forms themselves don't necessarily change, but the order in which you're supposed to file them does. Also take pictures of the pair of you in various places now, if you don't have any. Try to commingle your assets (shared bank accounts, shared address, bills that clearly come either to her name at your address or both your names, etc). Keep track of all your taxes, check stubs from your jobs, etc in one place so you can more easily start gathering the right documents when it comes time to start instead of saying "Oh crap. I didn't think you'd want my phone bill from 3 years ago!"

I'm just J. Random Alien here, but some of that might help. :)
 
2013-02-22 10:50:27 AM  

DarkSoulNoHope: I would say the man has a big court case on his hands to get the boat back, seizing without probable cause because the agent (if it was an agent and not some thief posing as one; post leaves out a few details such as where the seizing took place (the name of the border crossing) and the woman's badge number) didn't understand the paperwork.


No, he has jack squat. He was importing a boat and refused to cooperate with the customs process. The boat was already in the possession of customs and they simply didn't let him have it for not finishing the paperwork. He already paid the taxes on it and the dollar value on the paper was really unimportant. If you literally have a government agent telling you it didn't matter and he signed it, then they tried to charge him with a crime for the incorrect numbers then that would be entrapment.

You don't just drive up to the border with a boat and say "here we are!" You have to arrange things with the Canadian government as well as the American. You have to get permission to export as well as import. The paper work can take days or weeks to be approved. That's why, like most people have pointed out, that trying to important a large and expensive item is not for amatuers and for professional import brokers.
 
2013-02-22 10:50:55 AM  

shoegaze99: I'm sure many have said it already (haven't read the comments), but why not just cross out the incorrect part, correct & initial it, and sign the form? Perfectly legit. I've done it before on official documents and contracts. So has just about anyone who has worked with contracts.


Other than the part in the article where he asks to do this and the DHS-customs official tells him he\she can't?

He could have just grabbed it out of her hands and done it himself, I suppose. I might have. Although the attitude that she showed to him  asking if he could do it makes me think she might have done something stupid at that point, like claiming that grabbing it out of her hands was "assaulting a federal officer" or something.
 
2013-02-22 10:50:56 AM  

This Looks Fun: Mmm... I don't think it's that simple. If it's like California, they'll want to know the sale price so they know how much to charge you in property tax when you register it in state. So if the price says $550000(CA) and he actually paid $500000(US) then he's got to pay taxes on an extra $50k.


As repeated before, the yank dollar & canuck loonie have been hovering around par with each other for the last few years. This was nitpicking over cents.
 
2013-02-22 10:51:03 AM  

Rapmaster2000: I'm enjoying how the "SUPPORT THE TROOPS" community is in here playing like they're rebels.  If you changed DHS to Marine Corps then who was in the wrong would turn 180 degrees.


Gah! I hate filling out Marine Corps forms. I can never remember how many o's  are in oorah, and the damned spell checker keeps changing it to Oprah.
 
2013-02-22 10:52:58 AM  

WireFire2: DarkSoulNoHope: I would say the man has a big court case on his hands to get the boat back, seizing without probable cause because the agent (if it was an agent and not some thief posing as one; post leaves out a few details such as where the seizing took place (the name of the border crossing) and the woman's badge number) didn't understand the paperwork.

No, he has jack squat. He was importing a boat and refused to cooperate with the customs process. The boat was already in the possession of customs and they simply didn't let him have it for not finishing the paperwork. He already paid the taxes on it and the dollar value on the paper was really unimportant. If you literally have a government agent telling you it didn't matter and he signed it, then they tried to charge him with a crime for the incorrect numbers then that would be entrapment.

You don't just drive up to the border with a boat and say "here we are!" You have to arrange things with the Canadian government as well as the American. You have to get permission to export as well as import. The paper work can take days or weeks to be approved. That's why, like most people have pointed out, that trying to important a large and expensive item is not for amatuers and for professional import brokers.


Customs!?  Why should a FREE CITIZEN have to deal with such things?  Truly, the JACKBOOTED THUGS have won.  I weep for America.   Weep I say!
 
2013-02-22 10:53:31 AM  

Molavian: JerkyMeat: meddleRPI: Oh no, bureaucratic process has to be satisfied. There may have to be another form to be filed.

TRULY THE TERRORISTS HAVE WON.

No, GOPers have won. This the America they crave.

F*ckballs.  I can't stand all the f*cking morons on this site who think there's a difference between the political parties.  They're all out to screw us, and most of us sit here pointing fingers at each other.  Everyone here is more like each other than we are like them, and that's the f*cking truth.


Amen.  Nowadays when anyone on the Internet or in person identifies themselves as a member of any party, or tries to describe political ideologies like "liberal" or "conservative" as if they were describing types of fruit in a grocery store, I can pretty much assume they're delusional, gullible, or emotionally needy.

People want to badly to belong to something that they'll join up with the first group that cons them into it, and separating them from it after that is like deprogramming a cult member.
 
2013-02-22 10:53:36 AM  

Agent Smiths Laugh: BigLuca: People like this should wear a badge that says, "I am the most difficult person in the world, deal with me at your own risk," so people that have a choice in the matter can just walk away.

Hey, that's fine so long as the DHS agent has to wear a badge saying, "I am incompetent at my job and can't do arithmetic."


I really don't understand.  The shipper has to sign a document stating "this is exactly what I am shipping" the receiver must sign a document stating the exact same thing.  Those documents must match.  You don't want the receiver to lie by signing a form that isn't true, but you are fine with the customs agent lying by filing false paperwork?  If you want to be pedantic about it, fine - the system worked exactly like it was meant to and everyone should go to bed happy knowing that the letter of the law was followed.
 
2013-02-22 10:53:47 AM  

ciberido: Rostin: GoodyearPimp: People with lots of money sure do have lots of terrible problems.  "I can't take ownership of my boat due to some legalities."  Thanks, Obama.

I've heard liberals express confusion and frustration over the willingness of middle and lower class conservative people to defend tax cuts for the wealthy. Your comment helped me to see in a new way that this reflects a really fundamental difference in the thinking or maybe even the intuitions of the two groups. For conservatives, it really is about the principle of the thing. It doesn't matter to most of them that they'll never have enough money to import a boat and risk encountering problems such as this. It still pisses them off that someone has been treated this way.

For liberals, on the other hand, everything is about class. When that square peg won't fit in a round hole, pound harder.


You're not any closer to understanding liberals than you were yesterday.  You've just found a new way to demonize what you don't understand.


Yeah, yeah. I was just being an asshole. In all seriousness, I've found Jonathan Haidt's popular-level articles about Moral Foundations Theory to be very helpful in this connection. And now that I've demonstrated that I really do know better, my behavior is revealed to be all the more shameful. :)
 
2013-02-22 10:53:54 AM  

oldfarthenry: This Looks Fun: Mmm... I don't think it's that simple. If it's like California, they'll want to know the sale price so they know how much to charge you in property tax when you register it in state. So if the price says $550000(CA) and he actually paid $500000(US) then he's got to pay taxes on an extra $50k.

As repeated before, the yank dollar & canuck loonie have been hovering around par with each other for the last few years. This was nitpicking over cents.


And as has been repeated before, do you think that a bureaucracy that would have screwed up the currency on the form in the first place would hesitate for one second to turn around and fine this guy later for knowingly signing a federal form that contained invalid information?

The blogger wasn't nitpicking over the amount; he was nitpicking over the fact that the government got the form wrong  and had he signed it more than likely would have later come back to punish  him for their mistake.
 
2013-02-22 10:55:12 AM  
/rant on

I have enjoyed boating on Lake Michigan for over five years now.  I have a 115hp Johnson that I maintain and it has never given me any problems.  I paid 2,500 for it along with the boat it came with (17ft Starcraft)...what I don't understand is all this biatching about how owning a boat sucks. Just because your broke ass doesn't live on the best freshwater lake in the world doesn't mean the rest of us don't know how to take care of a boat.

/rant off
 
2013-02-22 10:55:38 AM  
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2013-02-22 10:56:01 AM  
I'm almost entirely certain that the people asserting that, "This idiot douchebag should have just done what he was told to do, he deserves it," would be the EXACT same group of people saying, "This douchebag should have obeyed the verbiage on the form, he deserves it," if he wound up getting in trouble for signing an incorrect document.
 
2013-02-22 10:56:27 AM  

digitalrain: AxemRed: When it looked like it was going to become a big deal, I would have just scribbled out the USD and changed it to CAD myself and then signed it rather than asking.

As much of a biatch as this DHS drone was being, she probably would have tried to hit him with attempting to alter a federal document.


Altering it before signing isnt illegal. Both parties must agree though.
 
2013-02-22 10:57:52 AM  

oldfarthenry: This Looks Fun: Mmm... I don't think it's that simple. If it's like California, they'll want to know the sale price so they know how much to charge you in property tax when you register it in state. So if the price says $550000(CA) and he actually paid $500000(US) then he's got to pay taxes on an extra $50k.

As repeated before, the yank dollar & canuck loonie have been hovering around par with each other for the last few years. This was nitpicking over cents.


The boat easily costs > 500,000CAD.  At today's exchange rate, that is 488,000USD or a difference of 12K.  They are asking him to value it at 500K USD vs. 488K.  A bit more than "nipicking over cents"  It's a yacht, not a diet coke
 
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