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(Uncrunched)   "A person with a gun and a government badge asked me to swear in writing that a lie was true today. And when I didn't do what she wanted, she simply took my boat and asked me to leave"   (uncrunched.com) divider line 465
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2013-02-22 10:08:50 AM  
People like this should wear a badge that says, "I am the most difficult person in the world, deal with me at your own risk," so people that have a choice in the matter can just walk away.
 
2013-02-22 10:08:57 AM  

GORDON: GoodyearPimp: People with lots of money sure do have lots of terrible problems.  "I can't take ownership of my boat due to some legalities."  Thanks, Obama.

That's an awesome way to say, "The government unfairly impounded my property."

Boot licker.


The DHS is out there defending our borders from Mexican invaders and there are traitors like you in here disparaging the hard work they do.  When the Amero happens, I hope you realize what you've done.
 
2013-02-22 10:09:20 AM  
More of Obama destroying the Constitution!

Afterall, it's what he said in his inauguration speech:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NG2pUiVou4A
 
2013-02-22 10:09:24 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: He'll eventually get his boat back.
Of course, he will have to pay the storage fees.


...he seems like the kind of guy who would rather take the boat back by force than give them another cent.  Of course, that translates into him sitting on his ass complaining while his boat eventually gets auctioned off to pay for the storage fees, so.
 
2013-02-22 10:09:58 AM  
Was it form 27B stroke 6?

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-22 10:10:41 AM  

Barricaded Gunman: FTFA: What struck me the most about the situation is how excited she got about seizing the boat. Like she was just itching for something like this to happen. This was a very happy day for her.

This is the part that galls me, perhaps the most. Putting seizure authority in the hands of resentful idots who should rightfully be bagging groceries is a bad idea, and telling them they're some kind of Super Patriots protecting America from terrorists is worse.


How do you feel about gunning them up?
The feds just bought whole big truckloads of guns and ammo.
 
2013-02-22 10:10:42 AM  

untaken_name: Except that if your signature is on the document with information on it and you told the government official that you knew the information was incorrect before you signed it, they could nail you for lying. Do you think that the agency which would confiscate a boat over this wouldn't stoop to prosecuting you for lying on an official document? Maybe they took his boat because they were pissed that he didn't fall for their little "mistake".


Exactly.  Signing a document you know to be false is a bad thing.

Wrong Trousers: They want to know the value in US dollars and only US dollars because the exchange rate changes over time. They don't care about the actual currency he used - Mexican pesos, Chinese yuan or Canadian dollars. He should be thankful that the agent wasn't too fussy about the precise exchange rate he used. Instead he goes obsessive compulsive and loses his boat. He will spend thousands of dollars on a lawyer to haggle over a few dollars and to prove a meaningless point. His lawyer will grit his teeth, solve the problem, and share a laugh with a few close friends about his idiot client.


The problem is that the value on the form was wrong.
 
2013-02-22 10:10:42 AM  

GoodyearPimp: People with lots of money sure do have lots of terrible problems.  "I can't take ownership of my boat due to some legalities."  Thanks, Obama.


It was his boat. He paid for it. If you are going to trivialize his problem because he has some money, then you also have to admit that your problems are trivial for the sole reason that there is someone worse off than you.
 
2013-02-22 10:11:03 AM  

The Snow Dog: Flakeloaf: K. One more time: When the authorities tell you to do something stupid, DO IT, look stupid doing it, and call them on it later once the situation is over and everyone's calmed down. Escalating just gets you whatever this is.

Wrong.

In college I was with a friend who got pulled over for a dwi 30 seconds after we left a bar parking lot. The cops, once they decided to cuff him and put him in the cruiser, asked me to get in the car and drive it back to the bar parking lot. I said, "No sir!" Now, if I had--you know as well as I do I would have ended up in jail that night. I probably could have lawyered up and fought tooth-and-nail and eventually gotten out of it, but it would've cost me.

Now, in this particular situation: you're probably right, (I probably would've signed) but if authorities ask you to do something stupid--think long and hard about it and consider all the angles.


Wow, that's crooked. If I poached a guy like they poached your friend, not only would he have been found not guilty but the judge would've wrung me out like a wet facecloth and hung me over the fence.
 
2013-02-22 10:11:36 AM  
Some people in this world just don't get that you have to pick your battles.  Because not everything is worth fighting for.
 
2013-02-22 10:11:36 AM  
Am I supposed to feel sorry for this guy?
 
2013-02-22 10:11:50 AM  
If he would have bought a boat made in the good ol' U.S. of A. he wouldn't have this problem.  This is what happens when you buy from commie ferringers.
 
2013-02-22 10:11:59 AM  
Also, there was no cover on his TPS report. That's a seizing right there.
 
2013-02-22 10:12:10 AM  

Wrong Trousers: They want to know the value in US dollars and only US dollars because the exchange rate changes over time. They don't care about the actual currency he used - Mexican pesos, Chinese yuan or Canadian dollars. He should be thankful that the agent wasn't too fussy about the precise exchange rate he used. Instead he goes obsessive compulsive and loses his boat. He will spend thousands of dollars on a lawyer to haggle over a few dollars and to prove a meaningless point. His lawyer will grit his teeth, solve the problem, and share a laugh with a few close friends about his idiot client.


Seriously? You think he is being OC because he didn't want to legally and bindingly attest to information on a FEDERAL document that he knew was incorrect? It isn't like he asked her to re-draft the entire document. All he wanted was to either a) change USD to CAD or b) change the amount so that it reflected the correct amount.

If you lived in the US and were purchasing a home in CA for USD $250,000 and the mortgage documents mistakenly listed the sale price as USD $254,750 (CAD$254,750 is what US$250k converts to) wouldn't you want that corrected? Or are you cool with legally agreeing to pay almost $5k extra all because of a currency notation error?
 
2013-02-22 10:12:34 AM  
All your boats are belong to us.
 
2013-02-22 10:13:00 AM  

dittybopper: Molavian: ModernLuddite: Dick Gozinya: When we stop fighting for our principles, we truly are a bankrupt country.

You realize that you are talking about boat ownership, right?

That's why America is no longer the greatest country on earth.  That attitude right there.

This.

It's like owning property is now a *BAD* thing.


If America is no longer the greatest country on Earth, then what is?
 
2013-02-22 10:13:03 AM  

SurelyShirley: gozar_the_destroyer: If I were importing something as expensive as a custom boat from another country, I would have hired a lawyer to help me through the process. International import isn't something to do as an amateur.

No need for a lawyer. A customs broker will do the trick and is much cheaper.


Came to say this. I work for a customs broker, we are MUCH cheaper than lawyers. Guy sounds like a tool.
 
2013-02-22 10:13:04 AM  

BigLuca: People like this should wear a badge that says, "I am the most difficult person in the world, deal with me at your own risk," so people that have a choice in the matter can just walk away.


No, people like this should be digging that ditch with you.
Feeding on the government tit is an obligation not an entitlement.
 
2013-02-22 10:13:10 AM  

s1ugg0: Some people in this world just don't get that you have to pick your battles.  Because not everything is worth fighting for.


How was he to know that they wouldn't come back and tell him that he falsified information? Bureaucrats be arbitrary like dat.
 
2013-02-22 10:13:28 AM  

GoodyearPimp: People with lots of money sure do have lots of terrible problems.  "I can't take ownership of my boat due to some legalities."  Thanks, Obama.


I've heard liberals express confusion and frustration over the willingness of middle and lower class conservative people to defend tax cuts for the wealthy. Your comment helped me to see in a new way that this reflects a really fundamental difference in the thinking or maybe even the intuitions of the two groups. For conservatives, it really is about the principle of the thing. It doesn't matter to most of them that they'll never have enough money to import a boat and risk encountering problems such as this. It still pisses them off that someone has been treated this way.

For liberals, on the other hand, everything is about class. When that square peg won't fit in a round hole, pound harder.
 
2013-02-22 10:14:54 AM  

Evil Twin Skippy: Am I supposed to feel sorry for this guy?


I have drawn the line.

I only recognize third world level problems.
First world richie rich hassles, not even on my radar.
 
2013-02-22 10:15:48 AM  

snocone: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: He'll eventually get his boat back.
Of course, he will have to pay the storage fees.

Sorry about your boat, dude.
Let it go, it is gone.
BTW, when/where is the auction.
Might be interested,,,

/not sure you can ever remove DHS cooties though


I know of such a ritual that works on ocean going vessels:

Recast the bell, rechristen to a different name, get drunk on spiced rum and make out with the figurehead. All must be done within one watch.

\yes, regardless of what the figurehead is you as the Captain have to make out with it
 
2013-02-22 10:15:52 AM  

AxemRed: When it looked like it was going to become a big deal, I would have just scribbled out the USD and changed it to CAD myself and then signed it rather than asking.


This is what I would have tried. Scratch it out, make a note, initial and date.

glass_ibis: I'm reasonably sure it's a crime to demand that someone sign a legal document that is known to be false.  I'd have gotten her name and turned it over to the Washington district attorney.


If it didn't work, I'd follow it up with this.

BumpInTheNight: Should have called a real law enforcement agent to report the robbery at gunpoint.


Or this, if she was big enough of a biatch about it.

/ Friend had a car towed from a parking space where he had been legally parked and there was obviously no applicable "no parking" sign.
// When they refused to release the car, I told him to advise them he was going to report his car stolen.
/// They actually took his car back to the parking space for him. Every clown working at that place was probably already on probation and didn't want any part of it. CSB.
 
2013-02-22 10:16:32 AM  
"Sign zee papers old man!"

"I cannot!"

"Why not!"

"You have broken my hands!"

Bummer...
 
2013-02-22 10:16:41 AM  

ModernLuddite: Dick Gozinya: When we stop fighting for our principles, we truly are a bankrupt country.

You realize that you are talking about boat ownership, right?


So...are we for it or against it?

Narrator: The ocean. For several years, she has fascinated many. But will man ever float on her watery surface?
[cut to a shot of Adlai Stevenson at some sort of press conference]
Democratic hopeful Adlai Stevenson says so.

Stevenson: I have no objection to man boating on the sea.
[photographers snap several pictures]
[cut back to the ocean where a family fishes on its watery surface]
 
2013-02-22 10:16:43 AM  

Wrong Trousers: They want to know the value in US dollars and only US dollars because the exchange rate changes over time. They don't care about the actual currency he used - Mexican pesos, Chinese yuan or Canadian dollars. He should be thankful that the agent wasn't too fussy about the precise exchange rate he used. Instead he goes obsessive compulsive and loses his boat. He will spend thousands of dollars on a lawyer to haggle over a few dollars and to prove a meaningless point. His lawyer will grit his teeth, solve the problem, and share a laugh with a few close friends about his idiot client.


I am leaning towards this thought as well.  The amount in US dollars is true, regardless what the manufacturer accepted, therefore he wouldn't be signing a lie.  If he used trade, Pesos and Canadian currency, the amount would still need to reflect the worth in US dollars for paperworks' sake.  I am sure going the other way the other country's paperwork would reflect their currency.  1%'s problems.
 
2013-02-22 10:16:48 AM  

PanicMan: dittybopper: Molavian: ModernLuddite: Dick Gozinya: When we stop fighting for our principles, we truly are a bankrupt country.

You realize that you are talking about boat ownership, right?

That's why America is no longer the greatest country on earth.  That attitude right there.

This.

It's like owning property is now a *BAD* thing.

If America is no longer the greatest country on Earth, then what is?


It's usually somewhere Scandinavian.

Although if you go north a bit, Canada's more or less in the top 10. Provided you don't mind being cold. :)
 
2013-02-22 10:16:51 AM  

BigLuca: People like this should wear a badge that says, "I am the most difficult person in the world, deal with me at your own risk," so people that have a choice in the matter can just walk away.


Hey, that's fine so long as the DHS agent has to wear a badge saying, "I am incompetent at my job and can't do arithmetic."
 
2013-02-22 10:17:11 AM  
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The customs guys later that day.
 
2013-02-22 10:17:30 AM  
FTFA: "Buying this boat was one of the worst decisions I've ever made, and the nightmare is only just starting."said every boat owner, ever.
 
2013-02-22 10:18:37 AM  

Flakeloaf: K. One more time: When the authorities tell you to do something stupid, DO IT, look stupid doing it, and call them on it later once the situation is over and everyone's calmed down. Escalating just gets you whatever this is.


I took this course at a large eastern university, Dealing with Petty Tyrants 101
 
2013-02-22 10:18:46 AM  

Wrong Trousers: His lawyer will grit his teeth, solve the problem, and share a laugh with a few close friends about his idiot client.


Fark has a head start.  We're laughing at him now.
 
2013-02-22 10:18:59 AM  

The Snow Dog: Flakeloaf: K. One more time: When the authorities tell you to do something stupid, DO IT, look stupid doing it, and call them on it later once the situation is over and everyone's calmed down. Escalating just gets you whatever this is.

Wrong.

In college I was with a friend who got pulled over for a dwi 30 seconds after we left a bar parking lot. The cops, once they decided to cuff him and put him in the cruiser, asked me to get in the car and drive it back to the bar parking lot. I said, "No sir!" Now, if I had--you know as well as I do I would have ended up in jail that night. I probably could have lawyered up and fought tooth-and-nail and eventually gotten out of it, but it would've cost me.

Now, in this particular situation: you're probably right, (I probably would've signed) but if authorities ask you to do something stupid--think long and hard about it and consider all the angles.


I would not have signed it. Want to know why? Because the same government bureaucracy that listed the purchase price in USD rather than CAD would have later sent the IRS to this guy's house, auditing him and\or fining him for lying on a government form -  even though it was that same bureaucracy that made the mistake, not the purchaser.
 
2013-02-22 10:19:11 AM  

kendelrio: FTFA: "Buying this boat was one of the worst decisions I've ever made, and the nightmare is only just starting."said every boat owner, ever.


Always be the FRIEND of the guy with the boat. NEVER be the guy with the boat.

(I think Tim Ferriss said that)
 
2013-02-22 10:19:30 AM  

syberpud: The guy acted like a douche


How in the hell did he act like a douche? He was being asked to swear to something that wasn't true and he knew this. He could have possibly been prosecuted for signing it. People go to jail for lying to federal agents.


He did the right thing.
 
2013-02-22 10:20:24 AM  

Agent Smiths Laugh: BigLuca: People like this should wear a badge that says, "I am the most difficult person in the world, deal with me at your own risk," so people that have a choice in the matter can just walk away.

Hey, that's fine so long as the DHS agent has to wear a badge saying, "I am incompetent at my job and can't do arithmetic."


Why not have both people wear the first badge? Or both badges?
 
2013-02-22 10:20:48 AM  

Joe boater: Should have just made a hand written change to the document. Which anyone could have done and signed the blasted paper. But nooooo this crusader wanted to be superman.


Or he could have calculated the exchange rate at the time of purchase and wrote in the amount of American Dollars he effectively paid.

So many alternatives to going full retard and losing his boat.
 
2013-02-22 10:21:21 AM  
It's a dude buying a boat and it got seized.

Fark libs love nothing more than scenarios like this where someone with more money than them have their property seized.

Odds are they were just as giddy about the property seizure as the homeland security jackbooted thug was.
 
2013-02-22 10:21:52 AM  

Flakeloaf: K. One more time: When the authorities tell you to do something stupid, DO IT, look stupid doing it, and call them on it later once the situation is over and everyone's calmed down. Escalating just gets you whatever this is.


Exactly. Always do this. That way, the United States wouldn't exist today.

/How do people forget that our country was essentially founded by terrorists who refused to comply with their legal government?
//Blindly following authority "gets you whatever this is". Fark authority - unless it makes sense.
 
2013-02-22 10:22:22 AM  

ModernLuddite: Dick Gozinya: When we stop fighting for our principles, we truly are a bankrupt country.

You realize that you are talking about boat ownership, right?


You do realize the princples are governmental abuse of power,  property rights and due process, right?

It ode snto matter over what
 
2013-02-22 10:22:49 AM  

internut scholar: syberpud: The guy acted like a douche

How in the hell did he act like a douche? He was being asked to swear to something that wasn't true and he knew this. He could have possibly been prosecuted for signing it. People go to jail for lying to federal agents.


He did the right thing.


Yeah but following the rules is for douches in today's America.  And douches deserve to get taken advantage of right?
 
2013-02-22 10:23:18 AM  

internut scholar: syberpud: The guy acted like a douche

How in the hell did he act like a douche? He was being asked to swear to something that wasn't true and he knew this. He could have possibly been prosecuted for signing it. People go to jail for lying to federal agents.


He did the right thing.


"If I am allowed to change errors on this form or if I am presented with a form that is correct then I will sign which is your current request, that I sign that the form is correct and free from errors. If your position is that I must sign even if the form is not correct then would you sign something to that effect please?"
 
2013-02-22 10:23:56 AM  

Ehcks: Or he could have calculated the exchange rate at the time of purchase and wrote in the amount of American Dollars he effectively paid.


You mean like he offered to do but wasn't allowed to? Yeah, that would have been a good idea. oh look FTA

I pointed out the error and suggested that we simply change the currency from US $ to CAD $ so that is was correct. Or instead, amend the amount so that it was correct in U.S. dollars.
 
2013-02-22 10:24:00 AM  

gozar_the_destroyer: If I were importing something as expensive as a custom boat from another country, I would have hired a lawyer to help me through the process. International import isn't something to do as an amateur.


Scumsuckingmaggotlawyers are great at creating systems that make them money/keep them employed.
 
2013-02-22 10:24:07 AM  
He's a douche. Sign the document and get your boat.

I'm sure you've done far worse.
 
2013-02-22 10:25:12 AM  

Flakeloaf: The Snow Dog: Flakeloaf: K. One more time: When the authorities tell you to do something stupid, DO IT, look stupid doing it, and call them on it later once the situation is over and everyone's calmed down. Escalating just gets you whatever this is.

Wrong.

In college I was with a friend who got pulled over for a dwi 30 seconds after we left a bar parking lot. The cops, once they decided to cuff him and put him in the cruiser, asked me to get in the car and drive it back to the bar parking lot. I said, "No sir!" Now, if I had--you know as well as I do I would have ended up in jail that night. I probably could have lawyered up and fought tooth-and-nail and eventually gotten out of it, but it would've cost me.

Now, in this particular situation: you're probably right, (I probably would've signed) but if authorities ask you to do something stupid--think long and hard about it and consider all the angles.

Wow, that's crooked. If I poached a guy like they poached your friend, not only would he have been found not guilty but the judge would've wrung me out like a wet facecloth and hung me over the fence.


LOL, wut?  How long after leaving a bar do you become too drunk to drive?
 
2013-02-22 10:25:26 AM  
He took a knife to a gunfight.  He really, really should have taken a professional importer.
 
2013-02-22 10:25:52 AM  
And the Fark progressive response is-Somalian utopia something, something.
 
2013-02-22 10:26:00 AM  

jigger: Was it form 27B stroke 6?

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 612x792]


3.bp.blogspot.com
Frowns on your shenanigans.
 
2013-02-22 10:26:06 AM  

syberpud: The guy acted like a douche,


I don't see the douche part.  The form was wrong he wasn't going to sign it.  You're an idiot if you would.  If later one some controversy about him "illegally importing a boat" came up later and it came out that he knew the form was wrong and signed it anyway you'd be the guy here saying "He was a douche for signing when he knew it was wrong".   Get over yourself.  He noticed the error and even explained how to correct it so they could move on past this and the DHS got all AUTHORITAH on him.
 
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