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(Uncrunched)   "A person with a gun and a government badge asked me to swear in writing that a lie was true today. And when I didn't do what she wanted, she simply took my boat and asked me to leave"   (uncrunched.com) divider line 465
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2013-02-22 09:40:45 AM  
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All I could think of.
 
2013-02-22 09:41:19 AM  
The loonie and the dollar are at parity. The import tax would have remained the same. You suck. You suck. You suck.
 
2013-02-22 09:42:33 AM  
Oh no, bureaucratic process has to be satisfied. There may have to be another form to be filed.

TRULY THE TERRORISTS HAVE WON.
 
2013-02-22 09:43:09 AM  
When it looked like it was going to become a big deal, I would have just scribbled out the USD and changed it to CAD myself and then signed it rather than asking.
 
2013-02-22 09:43:32 AM  
Should have called a real law enforcement agent to report the robbery at gunpoint.
 
2013-02-22 09:44:00 AM  
He'll eventually get his boat back.
Of course, he will have to pay the storage fees.
 
2013-02-22 09:44:31 AM  
When we stop fighting for our principles, we truly are a bankrupt country.
 
2013-02-22 09:44:40 AM  
I wonder what crime they're going to charge the boat with so they get to keep it.
 
2013-02-22 09:45:27 AM  
If I were importing something as expensive as a custom boat from another country, I would have hired a lawyer to help me through the process. International import isn't something to do as an amateur.
 
2013-02-22 09:45:35 AM  
i14.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-22 09:45:55 AM  
People with lots of money sure do have lots of terrible problems.  "I can't take ownership of my boat due to some legalities."  Thanks, Obama.
 
2013-02-22 09:46:01 AM  
So; what you are saying is; you spotted what you thought was a clerical error, and refused to sign a binding legal document because of said error?

And as a result of this decision; the item in question was ceased by the newest, quite possibly most bloated, department of the government?

/ go ahead, get that lawyer; make the department of homeland security's day, punk.
 
2013-02-22 09:46:12 AM  
He voted for Obama. Piss on him.
 
2013-02-22 09:47:05 AM  

Dick Gozinya: When we stop fighting for our principles, we truly are a bankrupt country.


You realize that you are talking about boat ownership, right?
 
2013-02-22 09:47:08 AM  

untaken_name: I wonder what crime they're going to charge the boat with so they get to keep it.


Vagrancy.
 
2013-02-22 09:48:00 AM  

gozar_the_destroyer: If I were importing something as expensive as a custom boat from another country, I would have hired a lawyer to help me through the process. International import isn't something to do as an amateur.


No need for a lawyer. A customs broker will do the trick and is much cheaper.
 
2013-02-22 09:48:14 AM  

ModernLuddite: Dick Gozinya: When we stop fighting for our principles, we truly are a bankrupt country.

You realize that you are talking about boat ownership, right?


That's why America is no longer the greatest country on earth.  That attitude right there.
 
2013-02-22 09:48:14 AM  
I would say the man has a big court case on his hands to get the boat back, seizing without probable cause because the agent (if it was an agent and not some thief posing as one; post leaves out a few details such as where the seizing took place (the name of the border crossing) and the woman's badge number) didn't understand the paperwork.
 
2013-02-22 09:48:20 AM  

untaken_name: I wonder what crime they're going to charge the boat with so they get to keep it.


Malicious and intentional buoyancy.
 
2013-02-22 09:48:56 AM  
Stickler stuck by stickler.

/"hoist with his own petard' is so 16th Century.
 
2013-02-22 09:49:09 AM  
Sadly, the fact is that as an American citizen you have a Constitutional right to leave the country, and a similar right to enter the country, but that right doesn't extend to your stuff. The Customs laws go back to the earliest days of the Republic, and some of the Supreme Court cases ruling that they can trump due process rights are now 200 years old. This isnt just a war on terror thing, although that hardly helped.
 
2013-02-22 09:50:20 AM  

Molavian: ModernLuddite: Dick Gozinya: When we stop fighting for our principles, we truly are a bankrupt country.

You realize that you are talking about boat ownership, right?

That's why America is no longer the greatest country on earth.  That attitude right there.


This.

It's like owning property is now a *BAD* thing.
 
2013-02-22 09:50:30 AM  
"It's just paperwork, it doesn't matter," she said.

Official motto of the DHS (Department of Geheime Sicherheitsschauspiel).
 
2013-02-22 09:50:38 AM  

untaken_name: I wonder what crime they're going to charge the boat with so they get to keep it.


Going up a creek without a paddle
 
2013-02-22 09:51:21 AM  
K. One more time: When the authorities tell you to do something stupid, DO IT, look stupid doing it, and call them on it later once the situation is over and everyone's calmed down. Escalating just gets you whatever this is.
 
2013-02-22 09:52:08 AM  
www.wired.com
 
2013-02-22 09:53:36 AM  

ck1938: He voted for Obama. Piss on him.


i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-02-22 09:54:27 AM  
Should've been a simple matter of making the change in ink, initialing the change, and signing the document. Done. To the guy writing this article, good fortune with all of whatever the deal is.
 
2013-02-22 09:55:10 AM  
I'm reasonably sure it's a crime to demand that someone sign a legal document that is known to be false.  I'd have gotten her name and turned it over to the Washington district attorney.
 
2013-02-22 09:56:17 AM  

Flakeloaf: K. One more time: When the authorities tell you to do something stupid, DO IT, look stupid doing it, and call them on it later once the situation is over and everyone's calmed down. Escalating just gets you whatever this is.


Except that if your signature is on the document with information on it and you told the government official that you knew the information was incorrect before you signed it, they could nail you for lying. Do you think that the agency which would confiscate a boat over this wouldn't stoop to prosecuting you for lying on an official document? Maybe they took his boat because they were pissed that he didn't fall for their little "mistake".
 
2013-02-22 09:56:22 AM  

AxemRed: When it looked like it was going to become a big deal, I would have just scribbled out the USD and changed it to CAD myself and then signed it rather than asking.


As much of a biatch as this DHS drone was being, she probably would have tried to hit him with attempting to alter a federal document.
 
2013-02-22 09:56:58 AM  

gozar_the_destroyer: If I were importing something as expensive as a custom boat from another country, I would have hired a lawyer to help me through the process. International import isn't something to do as an amateur.


That, in itself, is an indictment of the system.
 
2013-02-22 09:57:10 AM  
They want to know the value in US dollars and only US dollars because the exchange rate changes over time. They don't care about the actual currency he used - Mexican pesos, Chinese yuan or Canadian dollars. He should be thankful that the agent wasn't too fussy about the precise exchange rate he used. Instead he goes obsessive compulsive and loses his boat. He will spend thousands of dollars on a lawyer to haggle over a few dollars and to prove a meaningless point. His lawyer will grit his teeth, solve the problem, and share a laugh with a few close friends about his idiot client.
 
2013-02-22 09:58:16 AM  
Your meme is bad and you should feel bad.
 
2013-02-22 09:58:31 AM  

Flakeloaf: K. One more time: When the authorities tell you to do something stupid, DO IT, look stupid doing it, and call them on it later once the situation is over and everyone's calmed down. Escalating just gets you whatever this is.




Isn't that the story of the 2000 presidential election?
 
2013-02-22 09:58:36 AM  
He's probably one of those douchebags that refuses to show his receipt when he leaves a store too.
 
2013-02-22 09:58:37 AM  

untaken_name: I wonder what crime they're going to charge the boat with so they get to keep it.


Illegal entrance into the country.
 
2013-02-22 09:59:31 AM  

GoodyearPimp: People with lots of money sure do have lots of terrible problems.  "I can't take ownership of my boat due to some legalities."  Thanks, Obama.


That's an awesome way to say, "The government unfairly impounded my property."

Boot licker.
 
2013-02-22 10:00:42 AM  
Douche bag with a boat acts like a douche bag and gets boat taken away until he signs a farking form............
 
2013-02-22 10:00:49 AM  

Flakeloaf: K. One more time: When the authorities tell you to do something stupid, DO IT, look stupid doing it, and call them on it later once the situation is over and everyone's calmed down. Escalating just gets you whatever this is.


Wrong.

In college I was with a friend who got pulled over for a dwi 30 seconds after we left a bar parking lot. The cops, once they decided to cuff him and put him in the cruiser, asked me to get in the car and drive it back to the bar parking lot. I said, "No sir!" Now, if I had--you know as well as I do I would have ended up in jail that night. I probably could have lawyered up and fought tooth-and-nail and eventually gotten out of it, but it would've cost me.

Now, in this particular situation: you're probably right, (I probably would've signed) but if authorities ask you to do something stupid--think long and hard about it and consider all the angles.
 
2013-02-22 10:03:43 AM  
A person with a gun and a government badge asked me to swear in writing that a lie was true today. And when I didn't do what she wanted she simply took my boat and asked me to leave.

Thanks, Obama.
 
2013-02-22 10:04:02 AM  
Three possibilities here, none of which include this once new boat owner getting his boat back.

1. Boat is placed in a government auction.

2. Boat is transferred to a federal marine division.

3. Boat is transferred to a military moral office and rented out to DOD personnel.

Should have just made a hand written change to the document. Which anyone could have done and signed the blasted paper.  But nooooo this crusader wanted to be superman.
 
2013-02-22 10:05:48 AM  
FTFA: What struck me the most about the situation is how excited she got about seizing the boat. Like she was just itching for something like this to happen. This was a very happy day for her.

This is the part that galls me, perhaps the most. Putting seizure authority in the hands of resentful idots who should rightfully be bagging groceries is a bad idea, and telling them they're some kind of Super Patriots protecting America from terrorists is worse.
 
2013-02-22 10:05:53 AM  
Pedant loses boat due to minor clerical error.  Film at 11.
 
2013-02-22 10:06:28 AM  

ModernLuddite: The loonie and the dollar are at parity. The import tax would have remained the same. You suck. You suck. You suck.


This. Maybe assburgers sufferers shouldn't buy boats?
 
2013-02-22 10:07:10 AM  

gozar_the_destroyer: If I were importing something as expensive as a custom boat from another country, I would have hired a lawyer to help me through the process. International import isn't something to do as an amateur.


But he's not an amateur.
Didn't you read?
He has a blog!!!
 
2013-02-22 10:07:50 AM  
A whole lot of placating the bureaucracy going on in this thread.

/there actually is a matter of legal principle in the stance he took
//but it i so much easier to just obey isn't it?
 
2013-02-22 10:07:59 AM  
So in other words some douchebag has no idea how the world works?  I went into this story hoping to have sympathy for the victim, but honestly, he's a farking idiot.  She wasn't looking for a bribe, she wasnt willing to spend time or risk punishment for trying to correct a problem that was not her farking problem..

SHES PAID $9 A farkING HOUR AND DOES NOT GIVE A fark, she hands you something, you sign it, she moves on to her smoke break.  If you rich farking idiots cant figure that out, then you lose your farking boat you farking assholes.  Yes hire a lawyer,  get righteously indignant.  All you are doing is making that boat even more farking expensive.  I hope the farking thing sinks and you get eaten by some god damn sockeye.

/seriously fark this guy.
 
2013-02-22 10:08:06 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: He'll eventually get his boat back.
Of course, he will have to pay the storage fees.


Sorry about your boat, dude.
Let it go, it is gone.
BTW, when/where is the auction.
Might be interested,,,

/not sure you can ever remove DHS cooties though
 
2013-02-22 10:08:34 AM  

ModernLuddite: Dick Gozinya: When we stop fighting for our principles, we truly are a bankrupt country.

You realize that you are talking about boat ownership, right?


So?  Now property rights are relative to the item in question?

The guy acted like a douche, but he had a point and the officer could be seen as violating authority.  We only have his side of the story though so I wonder what really happened.

I'm guessing some sort of smuggling charge will be concocted to seize the boat and he'll have to go through a lot of hoops to reclaim it.  Happens a lot.
 
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