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(ABC Local)   In a small Pennsylvania suburb, your neighbor's two friendly dogs escape and end up on your land. Naturally, your only option is to murder the dogs and then leave a taunting voicemail for the dogs owners   (abclocal.go.com) divider line 254
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2013-02-22 02:10:36 PM

Tastes Like Chicken: kortex, KanedaJD

I'm just making a statement of fact. Not everybody is going to respond to this kind of offense by writing to their state senator. I know I wouldn't. I get irrationally, destructively angry. It's why I don't own a gun. If the only thing that happens to this guy before this is done is some inconvenience and a lady yelling at him, he got off light. Good thing for him he shot the family man's dogs, and not the redneck down the street.

Will it ever be me in this family's shoes? No, I keep my dogs well-contained, because I know better. I do take responsibility. I don't have kids, and I don't go to Olive Garden or WalMart. If I did have kids and go to those places, my kids would be well-behaved, or we wouldn't be there.


Regarding your first paragraph, I understand, I think you're right, and I can relate to what you say about owning a gun. Regarding your second paragraph, I believe you

It was just irresistible to poke at the 'see what happens' guy...
 
2013-02-22 02:11:20 PM

homelessdude: I assume there is somebody out there who is impressed.


Yes, me. I don't give  a toss about anyone else's opinion of my dog,
My wife and son like Minnie too.
 
2013-02-22 02:16:00 PM

Nutsac_Jim: Mr. Cat Poop: Ok, let me amend. Your dog gets into my hen house and I kill it before it has a chance to kill my hens. To me, that dog was a "real danger". To you, I just murdered poor Twinkle in cold blood. So you retaliate by killing all my chickens. You would be the psycho in this scenario.

Well now, the law states that he would be allowed to shoot the dogs if they were maiming his animals.
Did Johnny Guns make any statement that the dogs were pursuing or maiming any animal?  No.


Look, my property plus a gun is more important than your property.
 
2013-02-22 02:26:23 PM
Lots of ITGs in this thread who should spend more time thinking about keeping their dogs controlled than what they would do if someone dared to protect their property from their unsupervised mutts.
 
2013-02-22 02:41:45 PM

doglover: cc_rider: He really couldn't have called them to come get their dogs before he shot two family pets?

We don't know the dogs weren't worrying livestock. Farmers shoot pests. That includes kids and tax men.

I agree that it could spark a blood feud if they were just family pets, but I used to have a dachshund who could kill a sparrow in mid-flight. That dog was a stone cold killer. Scale it up to a collie and you're lookin' at baby alpaca in danger and mommas losing their... foal? What the hell is a baby alpaca called?

I'm reserving judgement until I hear both sides. THEN I'll overreact and rain hyperbole down like it was mere exaggeration.


Socks.
 
2013-02-22 03:09:56 PM
Okay, lets define the context as a lot of information is missing-

These dogs did not escape because of neglectful owners, their fence had been damaged in the night, they did not realize this until minutes after they noticed the dogs went missing.

-So they did not leave a gate open, or let the dogs roam loose...  the dogs escaped because their fence had been damaged in the night.

These dogs were not nuisance dogs responsible for killing his sheep or alpaca at any moment, nor did they have a history of escaping and intruding on his property.

The Sheep were in an enclosure, this enclosure was not accessible to the dogs without human assistance. They were lead into the enclosure, then executed. They were not chasing his sheep randomly in an open field, they were given entry for the purpose of their disposal by Mr. Poletti.

I believe in the right of farmers and people who own livestock or anyone threatened bby dogs running wild to be able to protect that property as needed. The PA law in question has some language that could be altered but the premise of the law is good.

IMPORTANT ELEMENT:
The dogs were given entry to the sheep pen, thus creating an environment where they could be executed justifiably by Mr. Poletti. This is not in the spirit of this law, in fact the law does not allow for this. This man gave entry to the dogs for the purpose of executing them. This is why his actions are heinous, then he followed up by leaving a message for the family. Which is a great way to know that this person is a scumbag.

His anti dog bias may come from previous experience where his sheep, that he cares for and raised were killed, for that I have sympathy and would understand. However, these dogs did not threaten his sheep until he allowed them entry to their enclosure. Basically the man hates dogs, i guess any dogs, as he took his neighbors dogs  and set them so he could "legally" execute them. Then he goes on to taunt the family.

Total douche bag.
 
2013-02-22 03:12:09 PM

Nutsac_Jim: I like how the pussbucket is afraid to answer the phone and door now.
Surely if his argument is just, he can answer questions from the press.


I'm not sure what kind of questions need to be answered here.  Dogs were on his property with his livestock.  Dogs got shot.
 
2013-02-22 03:15:08 PM

Lor M. Ipsum: Nutsac_Jim: I like how the pussbucket is afraid to answer the phone and door now.
Surely if his argument is just, he can answer questions from the press.

I'm not sure what kind of questions need to be answered here.  Dogs were on his property with his livestock.  Dogs got shot.


Just one important question: Why did he let the dogs into the sheep pen?
The enclosure was not accessible by the dogs without help form someone who could open it, guess who opened the gate, lead them into the pen and then shot them? Go on, guess.
 
2013-02-22 03:18:52 PM

sdkOyOte: Okay, lets define the context as a lot of information is missing-

These dogs did not escape because of neglectful owners, their fence had been damaged in the night, they did not realize this until minutes after they noticed the dogs went missing.

-So they did not leave a gate open, or let the dogs roam loose...  the dogs escaped because their fence had been damaged in the night.

These dogs were not nuisance dogs responsible for killing his sheep or alpaca at any moment, nor did they have a history of escaping and intruding on his property.

The Sheep were in an enclosure, this enclosure was not accessible to the dogs without human assistance. They were lead into the enclosure, then executed. They were not chasing his sheep randomly in an open field, they were given entry for the purpose of their disposal by Mr. Poletti.

I believe in the right of farmers and people who own livestock or anyone threatened bby dogs running wild to be able to protect that property as needed. The PA law in question has some language that could be altered but the premise of the law is good.

IMPORTANT ELEMENT:
The dogs were given entry to the sheep pen, thus creating an environment where they could be executed justifiably by Mr. Poletti. This is not in the spirit of this law, in fact the law does not allow for this. This man gave entry to the dogs for the purpose of executing them. This is why his actions are heinous, then he followed up by leaving a message for the family. Which is a great way to know that this person is a scumbag.

His anti dog bias may come from previous experience where his sheep, that he cares for and raised were killed, for that I have sympathy and would understand. However, these dogs did not threaten his sheep until he allowed them entry to their enclosure. Basically the man hates dogs, i guess any dogs, as he took his neighbors dogs  and set them so he could "legally" execute them. Then he goes on to taunt the family.

Total douche bag.


But. If the killer can create any doubt that he caused the dogs to be on his property, he's in his rights to shoot them, execute them, torture them, make doggie salami out of them, or give up a sheep or two to them to have a rationale for any or all of the above. Because my property plus a gun matters more than your property.
 
2013-02-22 03:22:29 PM

Lor M. Ipsum: Nutsac_Jim: I like how the pussbucket is afraid to answer the phone and door now.
Surely if his argument is just, he can answer questions from the press.

I'm not sure what kind of questions need to be answered here.  Dogs were on his property with his livestock.  Dogs got shot.


Absolutely. It shouldn't matter a damn whether the shooter let the dogs on the property and in with the stock or not. If I want to kidnap your dogs to shoot them, it's not my responsibility if you let me do it.
 
2013-02-22 03:38:48 PM

i upped my meds-up yours: But. If the killer can create any doubt that he caused the dogs to be on his property, he's in his rights to shoot them, execute them, torture them, make doggie salami out of them, or give up a sheep or two to them to have a rationale for any or all of the above. Because my property plus a gun matters more than your property.


In the spirit of  the PA law in question, their being on his property is not enough. He had to create a circumstance that would allow him to execute them within the parameters of the law, which if there is doubt that he set them up, sure he can get around it. However as this incident is being investigated, the circumstances are becoming apparent that in order for these dogs to be in position to endanger his sheep, they needed assistance and that doubt is eroding.
 
2013-02-22 03:43:40 PM
I've been attacked by stray dogs on a number of occasions. Most of them were pretty minor, but when I was nine, I had to get stitches on my forehead and my lower lip sewn back on because a stray rottweiler jumped in my dad's boat at the local boat launch and bit me in the face.

I have zero patience for stray dogs. I'm completely siding with the farmer on this one.

I don't own a farm or any livestock and I'd still shoot your farking dog. I don't care who owns it or how big it is. Once they are off a leash, they are all feral as far as I'm concerned.
 
2013-02-22 03:48:50 PM

sdkOyOte: The dogs were given entry to the sheep pen, thus creating an environment where they could be executed justifiably by Mr. Poletti. This is not in the spirit of this law, in fact the law does not allow for this. This man gave entry to the dogs for the purpose of executing them. This is why his actions are heinous, then he followed up by leaving a message for the family. Which is a great way to know that this person is a scumbag.

His anti dog bias may come from previous experience where his sheep, that he cares for and raised were killed, for that I have sympathy and would understand. However, these dogs did not threaten his sheep until he allowed them entry to their enclosure. Basically the man hates dogs, i guess any dogs, as he took his neighbors dogs and set them so he could "legally" execute them. Then he goes on to taunt the family.


Well, he didn't taunt the family, he left the message with someone else as has been repeated ad nauseum in this thread.  So that part is clearly just not true.  But if he actually let the dogs into the sheep enclosure (as opposed to them going over/under a fence) just so he could shoot them that's pretty gross.  I guess we'll see if they think it's worth a court case.
 
2013-02-22 03:55:40 PM

sdkOyOte: Just one important question: Why did he let the dogs into the sheep pen?
The enclosure was not accessible by the dogs without help form someone who could open it, guess who opened the gate, lead them into the pen and then shot them? Go on, guess.


My dog can clear a 5 foot fence from a standing position.  Do you have pictures of the man's sheep enclosure?  It doesn't take much more than a split-rail fence to keep sheep at bay.
 
2013-02-22 04:04:37 PM

Lor M. Ipsum: sdkOyOte: Just one important question: Why did he let the dogs into the sheep pen?
The enclosure was not accessible by the dogs without help form someone who could open it, guess who opened the gate, lead them into the pen and then shot them? Go on, guess.

My dog can clear a 5 foot fence from a standing position.  Do you have pictures of the man's sheep enclosure?  It doesn't take much more than a split-rail fence to keep sheep at bay.


Smart Dog Climbs Kitchen Drawers to get Treats! (youtube | 2:22)
 
2013-02-22 04:05:24 PM

Lor M. Ipsum: My dog can clear a 5 foot fence from a standing position.  Do you have pictures of the man's sheep enclosure?  It doesn't take much more than a split-rail fence to keep sheep at bay.


So can mine, in fact one of my dogs jumped our fence a couple of weeks ago and got hit by a train...   still living, but yes I know the athleticism of dogs,e specially certain breeds when inspired to do so.

No I do not have a photo of the enclosure. This property is near my parents, know the area pretty well.

Depends on the sheep too, there are several farms out here with different breeds of sheep who when inspired can also get out and cause damage of different varieties.
 
2013-02-22 04:10:24 PM

Lor M. Ipsum: sdkOyOte: Just one important question: Why did he let the dogs into the sheep pen?
The enclosure was not accessible by the dogs without help form someone who could open it, guess who opened the gate, lead them into the pen and then shot them? Go on, guess.

My dog can clear a 5 foot fence from a standing position.  Do you have pictures of the man's sheep enclosure?  It doesn't take much more than a split-rail fence to keep sheep at bay.


I'm not sure how agile an extremelybig and furry 120 or so pound dog would be.  What kind of dog do you have?  I had an American Eskimo years ago that could probably have jumped a five foot fence but he weighed less than 40 lbs. If my Pyrenees mixes tried it, they'd probably just land ON the fence and smash it.
 
2013-02-22 04:12:14 PM

sdkOyOte: Okay, lets define the context as a lot of information is missing-

These dogs did not escape because of neglectful owners, their fence had been damaged in the night, they did not realize this until minutes after they noticed the dogs went missing.

-So they did not leave a gate open, or let the dogs roam loose...  the dogs escaped because their fence had been damaged in the night.

These dogs were not nuisance dogs responsible for killing his sheep or alpaca at any moment, nor did they have a history of escaping and intruding on his property.

The Sheep were in an enclosure, this enclosure was not accessible to the dogs without human assistance. They were lead into the enclosure, then executed. They were not chasing his sheep randomly in an open field, they were given entry for the purpose of their disposal by Mr. Poletti.

I believe in the right of farmers and people who own livestock or anyone threatened bby dogs running wild to be able to protect that property as needed. The PA law in question has some language that could be altered but the premise of the law is good.

IMPORTANT ELEMENT:
The dogs were given entry to the sheep pen, thus creating an environment where they could be executed justifiably by Mr. Poletti. This is not in the spirit of this law, in fact the law does not allow for this. This man gave entry to the dogs for the purpose of executing them. This is why his actions are heinous, then he followed up by leaving a message for the family. Which is a great way to know that this person is a scumbag.

His anti dog bias may come from previous experience where his sheep, that he cares for and raised were killed, for that I have sympathy and would understand. However, these dogs did not threaten his sheep until he allowed them entry to their enclosure. Basically the man hates dogs, i guess any dogs, as he took his neighbors dogs  and set them so he could "legally" execute them. Then he goes on to taunt the family.

Total douche bag.


Based on the few facts we actually have, it's obvious that you have re-imagined this entire event to fit your personal fantasy. You have written several paragraphs mostly containing either hyperbole, complete fiction, or irresponsible speculation. It contributes absolutely nothing. The only 'douche bags' involved in this so far are the people who are expressing nonsense like yours.
 
2013-02-22 04:16:41 PM
KanedaJD:

It was just irresistible to poke at the 'see what happens' guy...

Hah. Well I can appreciate poking the bear. Don't misinterpret this as an ITG. I'm not an ITG because frankly I don't give a shiat what someone online thinks or says to me or about me. I'm also very responsible. My wife's nickname for me is Captain Caution. That said, I can think of a number of people I know who no doubt would be going back to jail if this were them.
 
2013-02-22 04:27:11 PM
The mother wanted the guy to fire a gun randomly in the air to scare the dogs away; how smart can she be?
 
2013-02-22 04:28:59 PM

freetomato: I'm not sure how agile an extremelybig and furry 120 or so pound dog would be.  What kind of dog do you have?  I had an American Eskimo years ago that could probably have jumped a five foot fence but he weighed less than 40 lbs. If my Pyrenees mixes tried it, they'd probably just land ON the fence and smash it.


If your Pyrenees is like mine it wouldn't bother getting off the couch to even investigate such an option.  Damn big lazy dog, he's somewhat fast for about 100 feet then he just kind of meanders around.  He's got a deep mean bark though, too bad it can't scare away intruders when his tail is wagging like crazy.
 
2013-02-22 04:30:18 PM

KanedaJD: Based on the few facts we actually have, it's obvious that you have re-imagined this entire event to fit your personal fantasy. You have written several paragraphs mostly containing either hyperbole, complete fiction, or irresponsible speculation. It contributes absolutely nothing. The only 'douche bags' involved in this so far are the people who are expressing nonsense like yours.


Based on re-reading the story and the apparent updates, looks like dog shooter was charged by the cops for animal cruelty and endangerment since one of the dogs was shot to death running back to its home, he shot towards his neighbor's house. So yeah, guy is turning out to be more and more of a douche bag. One more asshole, one more shot.
 
2013-02-22 04:35:20 PM
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Yes it ate the sheep when it caught it.


Not saying that the dogs couldn't or wouldn't attack live stock.

Another thought if your gonna call the neighbors to taunt that you shot there dog, why wouldn't you just call them to say your farking dogs are on you property.
 
2013-02-22 04:38:53 PM

fuhfuhfuh: KanedaJD: Based on the few facts we actually have, it's obvious that you have re-imagined this entire event to fit your personal fantasy. You have written several paragraphs mostly containing either hyperbole, complete fiction, or irresponsible speculation. It contributes absolutely nothing. The only 'douche bags' involved in this so far are the people who are expressing nonsense like yours.

Based on re-reading the story and the apparent updates, looks like dog shooter was charged by the cops for animal cruelty and endangerment since one of the dogs was shot to death running back to its home, he shot towards his neighbor's house. So yeah, guy is turning out to be more and more of a douche bag. One more asshole, one more shot.


Being charged with something doesn't mean they're guilty of it. It doesn't excuse the amount of bullshiat being thrown around in here.
 
2013-02-22 04:42:46 PM
 
2013-02-22 04:43:23 PM

freetomato: I'm not sure how agile an extremelybig and furry 120 or so pound dog would be.  What kind of dog do you have?  I had an American Eskimo years ago that could probably have jumped a five foot fence but he weighed less than 40 lbs. If my Pyrenees mixes tried it, they'd probably just land ON the fence and smash it.


Yeah, mine's about 45-50 pounds.  As far as I can tell he has in him a mix of any (or none) of the following:  border collie, Irish (or other) setter, spaniel (springer or Brittany), Aussie shepherd, and others.  High energy and athleticism.  Kinda wish I went with a couch-potato breed sometimes, but he's a sweetheart.
 
2013-02-22 04:49:32 PM

KanedaJD: fuhfuhfuh: KanedaJD: Based on the few facts we actually have, it's obvious that you have re-imagined this entire event to fit your personal fantasy. You have written several paragraphs mostly containing either hyperbole, complete fiction, or irresponsible speculation. It contributes absolutely nothing. The only 'douche bags' involved in this so far are the people who are expressing nonsense like yours.

Based on re-reading the story and the apparent updates, looks like dog shooter was charged by the cops for animal cruelty and endangerment since one of the dogs was shot to death running back to its home, he shot towards his neighbor's house. So yeah, guy is turning out to be more and more of a douche bag. One more asshole, one more shot.

Being charged with something doesn't mean they're guilty of it. It doesn't excuse the amount of bullshiat being thrown around in here.


Did you read any of the updates or further developments in the story? Here:

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/breaking/20130222_Chesco_sheep_own er _charged_in_killing_of_two_dogs.html

Doesn't look like bullshiat to me.
 
2013-02-22 04:49:55 PM

gonk: They filed charges against the a-hole, he shot one of the dogs as it was running away. Ugh.


Unfortunate. His words - "I shoot first" - ought to be the law in this case.

It can't be restated often enough. My property plus a gun beats your property.
 
2013-02-22 04:51:29 PM

gonk: They filed charges against the a-hole, he shot one of the dogs as it was running away. Ugh.

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/story/21308714/charges-filed-in-shooting- of -neighbors-2-dogs?clienttype=generic&mobilecgbypass

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Man-Charged-Shooting-Killi ng -Neighbors-Dogs-192542251.html


Finally, someone posts links to information and doesn't pull it out of their ass or thin air. Thank you.

Pretty critical information. His livestock was not in danger. He just wanted to shoot dogs that day.

Guess the guy IS a douche bag.
 
2013-02-22 04:51:47 PM

i upped my meds-up yours: gonk: They filed charges against the a-hole, he shot one of the dogs as it was running away. Ugh.

Unfortunate. His words - "I shoot first" - ought to be the law in this case.

It can't be restated often enough. My property plus a gun beats your property.


Two more assholes, two more shots.
 
2013-02-22 05:12:40 PM

fuhfuhfuh: KanedaJD: fuhfuhfuh: KanedaJD: Based on the few facts we actually have, it's obvious that you have re-imagined this entire event to fit your personal fantasy. You have written several paragraphs mostly containing either hyperbole, complete fiction, or irresponsible speculation. It contributes absolutely nothing. The only 'douche bags' involved in this so far are the people who are expressing nonsense like yours.

Based on re-reading the story and the apparent updates, looks like dog shooter was charged by the cops for animal cruelty and endangerment since one of the dogs was shot to death running back to its home, he shot towards his neighbor's house. So yeah, guy is turning out to be more and more of a douche bag. One more asshole, one more shot.

Being charged with something doesn't mean they're guilty of it. It doesn't excuse the amount of bullshiat being thrown around in here.

Did you read any of the updates or further developments in the story? Here:

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/breaking/20130222_Chesco_sheep_own er _charged_in_killing_of_two_dogs.html

Doesn't look like bullshiat to me.


I just checked the two other links that were posted too. Sounds like the guy's a jerk. Doesn't sound like compelling reasons to shoot the dogs. But we're just now finding this out through credible sources.

Which was my point. As far as I can tell, most of the 'context' provided by that dude is still nonsense.
 
2013-02-22 05:37:00 PM
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Beautiful dogs.  Mine get an extra hug tonight (as will my perimeter fence).
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2013-02-22 05:53:01 PM
Some of you guys are making me appreciate what good neighbors I have.

I might even be a good neighbor myself, some geese wandered over from next door this afternoon, and I didn't kill any of them.

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2013-02-22 06:13:13 PM

rustypouch: KanedaJD: BrianGriffin: offmymeds: TheJoe03: It's why I don't trust people who hate dogs and/or would treat them poorly. Unless you have an allergy or a dog attacked you or hurt someone you loved, it's a sign you're a bad person.

Never trust a man who doesn't like dogs and never trust a man who dogs don't like.

QFT

I'd never trust a man who judges his fellow man based solely on 'affinity for dogs'. It can't be the only poor decision-making skill they possess.

I don't get that reasoning either.

But then, people who claim their dogs are like family, and keep them for affection, tend to be damaged. Unable to form meaningful relationships with other people, they meet their need to feel loved by exploiting the pack instincts of animals and through training them, often with abuse used to induce desired behaviors.


LOL! I blew a snot-bubble!
 
2013-02-22 06:16:42 PM

Oblio13: Some of you guys are making me appreciate what good neighbors I have.

I might even be a good neighbor myself, some geese wandered over from next door this afternoon, and I didn't kill any of them.


You weakened a country today.
 
2013-02-22 06:18:40 PM

rustypouch: tend to be damaged. Unable to form meaningful relationships with other people, they meet their need to feel loved


Sounds like you're talking about people that like cats.
 
2013-02-22 06:28:06 PM

TheJoe03: rustypouch: tend to be damaged. Unable to form meaningful relationships with other people, they meet their need to feel loved

Sounds like you're talking about people that like cats.


Good point. I don't believe in cruelty to cats, but a much-needed lesson could be taught to society through cruelty to people who love cats.
 
2013-02-22 06:35:31 PM

TNel: gamer_geek: Don't know if its been said yet but Bernese are the gentlest most docile dog I know off. I never seen one get aggressive towards another animal unless the owner was some how in danger. I personally just think the farmer didn't like the dogs on his property. Thus why he made the shiatty phone call.

At the same time, don't let your dogs run loose unsupervised.

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Yes it ate the sheep when it caught it.


LOL! Horsefeathers!
 
2013-02-22 07:10:30 PM

walkerhound: lucksi: Don't let your farking dogs roam around freely

This.  As a dog owner, etc, the law is the law.  The rancher's opinion was that the dogs were harassing his livestock, he has every right to protect his animals.

Don't like it?  Be a responsible pet owner.


the issue is not about legality. You can do something legal BUT that doesn't mean you're still not a GIANT A-hole.

I don;t know about you but if my neighbor's dog, cat, pet iguana etc runs into my yard and though legally I can blow it away I'm not going to and sure as heck not going to leave a voicemail to them afterward bragging about my kill.

I guess it doesn't bother you to be a personn like that.
 
2013-02-22 07:21:52 PM

SuperNinjaToad: You can do something legal BUT that doesn't mean you're still not a GIANT A-hole.


That's pretty much what this all about, but sociopaths tend not to give a shiat.
 
2013-02-22 07:58:47 PM
OK, I'll bite, how do you "murder" a animal?
 
2013-02-22 08:10:15 PM

Slam1263: OK, I'll bite, how do you "murder" a animal?


Tie four crows to it.
 
2013-02-22 10:27:21 PM

Bathia_Mapes: Oregon has a similar dogs vs livestock law too.

609.150. Destruction of dog that harms or chases livestock, exemptions

(1) Except as provided in subsection (3) of this section, any dog, whether licensed or not, which, while off the premises owned or under control of its owner, kills, wounds, or injures any livestock not belonging to the master of such dog, is a public nuisance and may be killed immediately by any person. However, nothing in this section applies to any dog acting under the direction of its master, or the agents or employees of such master.

(2) If any dog, not under the control of its owner or keeper, is found chasing or feeding upon the warm carcass of livestock not the property of such owner or keeper it shall be deemed, prima facie, as engaged in killing, wounding or injuring livestock.

(3) No person shall kill any dog for killing, wounding, injuring or chasing chickens upon a public place, highway or within the corporate limits of any city.

Amended by Laws 1975, c. 749, § 6.


Ohio is much the same. My grandfather had to shoot the neighbors oft-escaping academy dropout police dog after they refused to fix its kennel, and it got into the chicken coop.

He didn't wanna do it, he apologized for it, and he carried the body 1/2 a mile to their front door and presented it to them to mourn as they saw fit, but you bet your ass he did it with the sheriff standing behind him.

/Was kinda traumatized by the whole thing. I was around 6, and the neighbors kids were my friends... But I understood why it had to happen.
 
2013-02-22 10:48:05 PM

doglover: cc_rider: He really couldn't have called them to come get their dogs before he shot two family pets?

We don't know the dogs weren't worrying livestock. Farmers shoot pests. That includes kids and tax men.

I agree that it could spark a blood feud if they were just family pets, but I used to have a dachshund who could kill a sparrow in mid-flight. That dog was a stone cold killer. Scale it up to a collie and you're lookin' at baby alpaca in danger and mommas losing their... foal? What the hell is a baby alpaca called?

I'm reserving judgement until I hear both sides. THEN I'll overreact and rain hyperbole down like it was mere exaggeration.


The police determined, based on the trigger-happy chicken-f*cker's own testimony, they WEREN'T worrying livestock.

That old coot's a kitten-torturing psycho up to now has only lacked the gumption to move on up to hunting runaways and hitchhikers, but I'm betting he's already dug himself a bunker.
 
2013-02-22 11:36:17 PM

BuckTurgidson: they WEREN'T worrying livestock.


That's why I said keep the town square clear. Also, you'd best arm yourself. He might be friends with William Munny, and we intend to display his body.
 
2013-02-23 12:33:07 AM
My folks had a neighbor who used to like to let his dogs loose. He figured because he was living in a mountain tourist town, nobody would mind. One morning I'm paying my folks an early morning visit and the neighbor's damned dogs have my folk's cats cornered underneath their car. There's already blood and fur everywhere so I grab a 2 X 4 and drive the dogs away.

The next thing I knew, the neighbor has called the cops and tried to get me arrested on animal cruelty charges. Well, I wasn't arrested, and the neighbor had to keep his dogs tied up. But he wasn't done yet. Somebody sneaked onto the porch and poured battery acid into the cats water bowl. We lost our oldest and favorite cat after he drank from the bowl.

It wasn't difficult to figure out \who it was that did it. But my stepfather had the last word. In this part of the mountain, everybody had to cross a bridge over a creek to get to their house. My stepfather owned the bridge. The next day, that neighbor was told he no longer had permission to use the bridge. The neighbor threatened to sue, but my stepfather promised that he would dynamite the bridge. The other neighbors, not wanting to cross a creek or build their own bridges came down on the bad guy, and after a year, he moved elsewhere.
 
2013-02-23 12:51:50 AM
Back when I was a boy in the Blue Ridge Mountains, was a fella used ter let his grizz out to roam the hills and feed on the toddlers - din't like the newborns ner the yung'uns in pants, jes' the toddlers.

He'd tell us, "Now my barr's tied up mos' the time, don' you worry nuunnn".

I killed me that b'ar whin I wuz only three.
 
2013-02-23 08:45:20 AM

NOVanHelsing: The Snow Dog: Sure thing. It's your right to eat your own dingleberries too. Doesn't mean you have to do it, dingleberry-breath

These animals I keep to provide sustinace and profit are my responsibility.  They are, for the most part, confined for their own protection.   If you fail to control your animal and it leaves your property and comes into my livestock pens or coop then you sir are responsible for any actions I must take to protect my livestock.

That you fail to comprehend this simple fact amazes me.


You are correct. The dog owners should also have to reimburse the farmer financially for his ammunition and time.
 
2013-02-23 08:59:22 AM
My favorite part of Wolfenstein 3D was shooting the German shepherds. Die, Nazi dog!! Pow! Pow! Arf!
 
2013-02-23 10:32:24 AM
Having grown up in Chester County, PA, I'm not AT ALL surprised this happened. shiat like this used to happen ALL THE TIME.

/getting a kick, however cynical
 
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