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(ABC Local)   In a small Pennsylvania suburb, your neighbor's two friendly dogs escape and end up on your land. Naturally, your only option is to murder the dogs and then leave a taunting voicemail for the dogs owners   (abclocal.go.com) divider line 242
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2013-02-22 12:15:05 PM

rustypouch: But then, people who claim their dogs are like family, and keep them for affection, tend to be damaged. Unable to form meaningful relationships with other people, they meet their need to feel loved by exploiting the pack instincts of animals and through training them, often with abuse used to induce desired behaviors.


Coming from someone that has never had a dog.  Do you really think you can abuse a dog to make it do what you want?  Can I make generalizations just like you?  Everyone that owns a gun only has one because they have a very small penis and need something to make them feel better about themself.
 
2013-02-22 12:17:32 PM

mr_a: Five years from now, when the "Home Owners Association" makes this farmer's life miserable because of the smell of his farm in the middle of a subdivision, he is going to cry about how he always tried to get along with the neighbors and everybody is picking on him.

Sorry, bud. You don't live in 1872 on the frontier, you live in an area where farmers and non-farmers live in close proximity. If you don't want to spend your life in court, and fixing fences that mysteriously fall down, better learn to deal with neighbors...and their pets.


So this farmer should let stray animals harm his livelihood just because if he doesn't, the neighbors are going to be assholes to him? Sounds like the mafia.
 
2013-02-22 12:20:17 PM

quequeeg: Only if the pen is inside your dwelling. So, no, you wouldn't be justified unless you actually live in your barn.


let me clarify.  I would be perfectly justified if I caught you in the act...

503.080 (1)(a)

also... http://lrc.ky.gov/KRS/512-00/CHAPTER.HTM
 
2013-02-22 12:21:36 PM

kortex: R. Paulson: kortex: Meatschool: kortex: I would love to shoot all the dogs around my house.  If I lived in the country, I'd shoot any dog that came on my property.  They are noisy, shiat everywhere and consume too much food that could go other places.

Dang dude. I'm on the farmer's side in this thing, live in the country, and *I* think the above statement is just dickish.  Go troll somewhere else.

Not trolling at all. Dogs are a large useless waste of resources. If people did not keep unnecessary pets: less cattle, hogs and chicken would have to be raised. The impact would be astounding. I would definitely shoot your stupid dog.

Your now my favorite Asshole! Congrats

Thanks.  Do you wanna hang out?


Grab yer ankles and start squealing
 
2013-02-22 12:25:43 PM

SquiggsIN: If someone did this to my dogs, I'd end up in jail.


Control your animals, all the time. Dude probably knew they were the neighbors' dogs because this is the kabillionth time they've gotten loose.
 
2013-02-22 12:27:31 PM
So another asshole exercises his "rights" without stopping to think whether what he is doing is actually right or not.
As a consequence, restrictive laws will be made, and people will have slightly fewer rights.
Assholes ruin everything for everybody - just by being dicks when they don't have to.
 
2013-02-22 12:27:36 PM

you have pee hands: rustypouch: they meet their need to feel loved by exploiting the pack instincts of animals and through training them, often with abuse used to induce desired behaviors.

You're at least 10000 years late.  Domesticated dogs aren't trained to show affection to people, they're bred for it, and they don't need to be abused for it.


And that is why there are dogs today that would never be able to live natural lives, like English Bulldogs, which usually have to be brought into the world via caesarian section, are sold like designer merchandise for $2,500 a pop, and are plagued with horrendous health problems for their entire lives brought on directly by the selective breeding you mention.. I know and love an English Bulldog personally, but after seeing it's knees blow out, infections in the folds if it's face and ass, etc etc etc I feel horrible for him.

It's farking sickening. People want dogs to be kids, and the way we've done it is to breed them dumb to the point that their genetics are a slurry. I think it's abuse any way you look at it.
 
2013-02-22 12:29:38 PM
Funny, 'friendly dogs' is how rottweilers are often described by their owners. They may be friendly to you but that doesn't mean they're friendly to me. Opinions vary. Don't like a your dogs being shot? Don't let them out. Build a better fence or get a stronger chain.
 
2013-02-22 12:31:32 PM

BritneysCamelToe: Funny, 'friendly dogs' is how rottweilers are often described by their owners. They may be friendly to you but that doesn't mean they're friendly to me. Opinions vary. Don't like a your dogs being shot? Don't let them out. Build a better fence or get a stronger chain.


QFT
 
2013-02-22 12:33:05 PM

ThighsofGlory: SquiggsIN: If someone did this to my dogs, I'd end up in jail.

Control your animals, all the time. Dude probably knew they were the neighbors' dogs because this is the kabillionth time they've gotten loose.


What article did you get that from?

Mr. Cat Poop: So let's say your dog got into someones chicken coop and started killing all the hens and the property owner shoots your dog. You're saying you would retaliate against the farmer for protecting his livestock by illegally killing the rest of his hens your dog didn't get to? Yeah, you're a badass.


You really do fail at reading comprehension don't you?
 
2013-02-22 12:33:12 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: Keep your dogs on leash.

The deaths of these two dogs are on the owner that let them run free.


You sound ike a really nice guy.
 
2013-02-22 12:35:14 PM
What makes this an asshole story is not the shooting of the dogs, but the rather cavalier, almost taunting message left with the owners. The kind of message that makes you want to respond with "One more asshole, one more shot".
 
2013-02-22 12:37:46 PM

limerickey: BritneysCamelToe: Funny, 'friendly dogs' is how rottweilers are often described by their owners. They may be friendly to you but that doesn't mean they're friendly to me. Opinions vary. Don't like a your dogs being shot? Don't let them out. Build a better fence or get a stronger chain.

QFT


Some breeds of dogs are more docile than others, funny you use rottweilers which are a known agressive breed of dog.  Yes some breeds that are docile will attack if they feel threatened or if you are invading their domain, news at 11.  If you don't know how to approach a dog that is by itself that is not the dogs issue, you should just walk away and leave it alone.

Build a better fence that can't get randomly damaged by a tree branch?
 
2013-02-22 12:37:47 PM

Canton: Y'know, if a pair of large dogs were in with my sheep, I'd be freaking nervous, too. The sheep would also be nervous. Most dogs are not blessed with herding instincts. That said, I can't blame the shepherd for shooting the dogs. He may have known who the dogs belonged to, but that doesn't mean he knew what the dogs were intending to do.

That said, he should not have been a dick about it.

And he could have filled their rumps with shot, rather than killed them. That's what my dad did to a dog that was legitimately in with the flock years ago. In that case, there were lambs involved, one of which died. Of fear. We never did learn out who the dog belonged to, but it did get away, albeit with some lead in its hide. Which it earned.

Other neighbor dogs have gotten in with the sheep over the years, but they've been smaller and have been run off in other ways. There was that beagle who was ultimately banished by a fierce barn cat. And then there was the neighbor's frou-frou dog who, thankfully, decided he did not want to take on our pen of rams. The rams would have won that one. Our own dogs, who are not sheep dogs, know not to bother the sheep. (Our rescue got in with the ewe flock once. She escaped with bruises and a good life lesson. The sheep in my family's flock do not mess around. Also, they have horns, which helps.)

Oh, where was I going with this? Oh yeah. Sometimes you have to defend your animals. It's your responsibility to keep them safe. Just... don't be a dick about it.


So your father maimed an animal and left  it to die. Class act.

Would have had more respect if he had attmpted to outright kill it but missed, but purposefully maiming an animal is a dick move.
 
2013-02-22 12:37:53 PM
FTFA:  Now Mary says she and her husband are trying to explain to their five kids why Argus and Fiona won't be coming home.

Because you are an incompetent pet owner?
 
2013-02-22 12:39:55 PM

900RR: FTFA:  Now Mary says she and her husband are trying to explain to their five kids why Argus and Fiona won't be coming home.

Because you are an incompetent pet owner?


Exactly. But something is telling me that's not how it will be told.
 
2013-02-22 12:40:55 PM
This Gabe Pillotti guy should consider himself lucky. There's a lot of dog owners out there who would make him regret this decision forever. If some bad press and a woman driving past his house screaming "Dog Killer" are the worst that happens to him, he got off very light.

/just saying. Fair warning to all of you. I know it's wrong. I know I'm damaged. Kill my dogs and see what happens to you.
 
2013-02-22 12:42:47 PM

Tastes Like Chicken: /just saying. Fair warning to all of you. I know it's wrong. I know I'm damaged. Kill my dogs and see what happens to you.


Some anti-freeze being left around is usually a quick way and almost impossible to pin on someone without video.
 
2013-02-22 12:42:59 PM

TNel: ThighsofGlory: SquiggsIN: If someone did this to my dogs, I'd end up in jail.

Control your animals, all the time. Dude probably knew they were the neighbors' dogs because this is the kabillionth time they've gotten loose.

What article did you get that from?

Mr. Cat Poop: So let's say your dog got into someones chicken coop and started killing all the hens and the property owner shoots your dog. You're saying you would retaliate against the farmer for protecting his livestock by illegally killing the rest of his hens your dog didn't get to? Yeah, you're a badass.

You really do fail at reading comprehension don't you?


Ok, let me amend. Your dog gets into my hen house and I kill it before it has a chance to kill my hens. To me, that dog was a "real danger". To you, I just murdered poor Twinkle in cold blood. So you retaliate by killing all my chickens. You would be the psycho in this scenario.
 
2013-02-22 12:48:14 PM

Mr. Cat Poop: Ok, let me amend. Your dog gets into my hen house and I kill it before it has a chance to kill my hens. To me, that dog was a "real danger". To you, I just murdered poor Twinkle in cold blood. So you retaliate by killing all my chickens. You would be the psycho in this scenario.


Chickens are smaller than sheep and most likely probably would get attacked but that's why you have roosters to protect them.

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2013-02-22 12:49:02 PM

fuhfuhfuh: What makes this an asshole story is not the shooting of the dogs, but the rather cavalier, almost taunting message left with the owners. The kind of message that makes you want to respond with "One more asshole, one more shot".


But he didn't leave the message for the owners.  He left it for another neighbor, who decided to share it with the owners.  Reading comprehension FTW!
 
2013-02-22 12:49:27 PM

swahnhennessy: AverageAmericanGuy: Keep your dogs on leash.

The deaths of these two dogs are on the owner that let them run free.

On a farm? Really?


Yes Virginia, really.

All too many pet owners have that innate stupidity about them.  They act like those parents at the restaurant that think that everyone should be amused by their screaming crotchfruit because, well, they're just so cute.  They play with them while looking around and expecting other people to look and smile.  Yep... pet owners are a lot like that.
 
2013-02-22 12:54:30 PM

Tastes Like Chicken: This Gabe Pillotti guy should consider himself lucky. There's a lot of dog owners out there who would make him regret this decision forever. If some bad press and a woman driving past his house screaming "Dog Killer" are the worst that happens to him, he got off very light.

/just saying. Fair warning to all of you. I know it's wrong. I know I'm damaged. Kill my dogs and see what happens to you.


We've got a badass over here.  I'd shoot your dog if it threatened my livestock.  I'd also defend myself when your irresponsible self came looking for your dogs.  Don't lie, you let your children run around walmart and olive garden don't you?  When you have a pet, you take full responsibility for that pet.  This is all about responsibility.
 
2013-02-22 12:56:24 PM

Tastes Like Chicken: This Gabe Pillotti guy should consider himself lucky. There's a lot of dog owners out there who would make him regret this decision forever. If some bad press and a woman driving past his house screaming "Dog Killer" are the worst that happens to him, he got off very light.

/just saying. Fair warning to all of you. I know it's wrong. I know I'm damaged. Kill my dogs and see what happens to you.


Ooh, do tell, tough guy. Just what would you do to someone who shot and killed your dogs due to your personal failure to keep them contained? Assault? Attempted murder? A strongly worded letter?
 
2013-02-22 12:56:35 PM

limerickey: fuhfuhfuh: What makes this an asshole story is not the shooting of the dogs, but the rather cavalier, almost taunting message left with the owners. The kind of message that makes you want to respond with "One more asshole, one more shot".

But he didn't leave the message for the owners.  He left it for another neighbor, who decided to share it with the owners.  Reading comprehension FTW!


Yes, that little distinction changes the whole dynamic of essentially gloating about shooting the dogs. Would be different if his message didn't treat the whole situation like a scorecard moment. Apparently it was offensive enough to the neighbor that they needed to share the actual message with the dog's owners. So I reiterate, "one more asshole, one more shot".
 
2013-02-22 12:59:49 PM

swamp_of_dumb: Canton: Y'know, if a pair of large dogs were in with my sheep, I'd be freaking nervous, too. The sheep would also be nervous. Most dogs are not blessed with herding instincts. That said, I can't blame the shepherd for shooting the dogs. He may have known who the dogs belonged to, but that doesn't mean he knew what the dogs were intending to do.

That said, he should not have been a dick about it.

And he could have filled their rumps with shot, rather than killed them. That's what my dad did to a dog that was legitimately in with the flock years ago. In that case, there were lambs involved, one of which died. Of fear. We never did learn out who the dog belonged to, but it did get away, albeit with some lead in its hide. Which it earned.

Other neighbor dogs have gotten in with the sheep over the years, but they've been smaller and have been run off in other ways. There was that beagle who was ultimately banished by a fierce barn cat. And then there was the neighbor's frou-frou dog who, thankfully, decided he did not want to take on our pen of rams. The rams would have won that one. Our own dogs, who are not sheep dogs, know not to bother the sheep. (Our rescue got in with the ewe flock once. She escaped with bruises and a good life lesson. The sheep in my family's flock do not mess around. Also, they have horns, which helps.)

Oh, where was I going with this? Oh yeah. Sometimes you have to defend your animals. It's your responsibility to keep them safe. Just... don't be a dick about it.

So your father maimed an animal and left  it to die. Class act.

Would have had more respect if he had attmpted to outright kill it but missed, but purposefully maiming an animal is a dick move.


As far as I know, he was trying to kill it. Not that he would take any joy in that. Or maiming an animal, for that matter, least of all a dog. But he is not a marksman. As far as I know, the dog survived. It did get away, and it did leave a dead lamb behind. That much I do know.
 
2013-02-22 01:14:12 PM

SquiggsIN: BritneysCamelToe: Funny, 'friendly dogs' is how rottweilers are often described by their owners. They may be friendly to you but that doesn't mean they're friendly to me. Opinions vary. Don't like a your dogs being shot? Don't let them out. Build a better fence or get a stronger chain.

Rottweilers are among the most affectionate breed i've ever been around.  But, don't even dream of approaching one, on their turf, that you don't know well without the owner around.  They are fiercely protective of their turf by nature.  One the biggest baby dogs I've ever been around was a 125 pound Rottie. I miss that big sweet boy.

I completely agree with a rancher/farmers right to protect their own turf but, this sounded like the guy vindictively shot them and then called them up to brag about it.  Who knows how much bad blood had already existed but from the outside looking in without more information, it seems it was vengeful more than necessary.  Just my take on it.  Again, if my dog was threatening someone/some animal I wouldn't be happy but could understand it.  I just don't think this was the case... this guy killed them to get back at irresponsible neighbors who couldn't keep them where they belonged.


He does sounds like a bit of a dick, but ultimately it was the dogs who came to his property. It's not like he kidnapped them and then executed them.
 
2013-02-22 01:15:00 PM

jso2897: So another asshole exercises his "rights" without stopping to think whether what he is doing is actually right or not.
As a consequence, restrictive laws will be made, and people will have slightly fewer rights.
Assholes ruin everything for everybody - just by being dicks when they don't have to.


If I can't be a dick when I don't have to, the concept of "rights" has no meaning and we'd better have done with it.
 
2013-02-22 01:38:02 PM
I am not defending the bastard , it was a total dick move but when I read this it bugged me...

"trying to explain to their five kids why Argus and Fiona won't be coming home. "

How about because mommy and daddy left the gate open to the back yard ?  Or maybe because daddy is really bad at keeping the backyard penned in so the dogs don't get out and run around the neighborhood ?

If their dogs were not running loose around the neighborhood none of this would have happened, I recall hearing many stories of loose pitbulls or rottys  being shot and killed by police.

Also to the poster, murder is defined as killing a person

Get off my lawn
 
2013-02-22 01:38:22 PM

Eckyhade: Let your molest my livestock, lose your dog.   It's that simple.


So if some kids were walking around, its ok to just shoot them too?
No article mentioned any molesting going on.  Just some dikhead knowing whose dogs they were calling to say 'Hey, I killed your dogs and I didnt waste any extra rounds on them.'
 
2013-02-22 01:43:11 PM

Meez: I am not defending the bastard , it was a total dick move but when I read this it bugged me...

"trying to explain to their five kids why Argus and Fiona won't be coming home. "

How about because mommy and daddy left the gate open to the back yard ?  Or maybe because daddy is really bad at keeping the backyard penned in so the dogs don't get out and run around the neighborhood ?

If their dogs were not running loose around the neighborhood none of this would have happened, I recall hearing many stories of loose pitbulls or rottys  being shot and killed by police.

Also to the poster, murder is defined as killing a person

Get off my lawn


So you can't read then.  Thanks for letting us know.
 
2013-02-22 01:44:14 PM
I like how the pussbucket is afraid to answer the phone and door now.
Surely if his argument is just, he can answer questions from the press.
 
2013-02-22 01:45:50 PM
kortex, KanedaJD

I'm just making a statement of fact. Not everybody is going to respond to this kind of offense by writing to their state senator. I know I wouldn't. I get irrationally, destructively angry. It's why I don't own a gun. If the only thing that happens to this guy before this is done is some inconvenience and a lady yelling at him, he got off light. Good thing for him he shot the family man's dogs, and not the redneck down the street.

Will it ever be me in this family's shoes? No, I keep my dogs well-contained, because I know better. I do take responsibility. I don't have kids, and I don't go to Olive Garden or WalMart. If I did have kids and go to those places, my kids would be well-behaved, or we wouldn't be there.
 
2013-02-22 01:46:29 PM

Mr. Cat Poop: Ok, let me amend. Your dog gets into my hen house and I kill it before it has a chance to kill my hens. To me, that dog was a "real danger". To you, I just murdered poor Twinkle in cold blood. So you retaliate by killing all my chickens. You would be the psycho in this scenario.


Well now, the law states that he would be allowed to shoot the dogs if they were maiming his animals.
Did Johnny Guns make any statement that the dogs were pursuing or maiming any animal?  No.
 
2013-02-22 01:52:17 PM
Don't know if its been said yet but Bernese are the gentlest most docile dog I know off. I never seen one get aggressive towards another animal unless the owner was some how in danger. I personally just think the farmer didn't like the dogs on his property. Thus why he made the shiatty phone call.

At the same time, don't let your dogs run loose unsupervised.
 
2013-02-22 02:00:53 PM

i upped my meds-up yours: jso2897: So another asshole exercises his "rights" without stopping to think whether what he is doing is actually right or not.
As a consequence, restrictive laws will be made, and people will have slightly fewer rights.
Assholes ruin everything for everybody - just by being dicks when they don't have to.

If I can't be a dick when I don't have to, the concept of "rights" has no meaning and we'd better have done with it.


Oh you're cute

Now, if you think you do have rights, I have one last assignment for ya. Next time you're at the computer get on the Internet, go to Wikipedia. When you get to Wikipedia, in the search field for Wikipedia, i want to type in, "Japanese-Americans 1942" and you'll find out all about your precious farking rights. Alright. You know about it.
In 1942 there were 110,000 Japanese-American citizens, in good standing, law abiding people, who were thrown into internment camps simply because their parents were born in the wrong country. That's all they did wrong. They had no right to a lawyer, no right to a fair trial, no right to a jury of their peers, no right to due process of any kind. The only right they had was...right this way! Into the internment camps.
Just when these American citizens needed their rights the most...their government took them away. and rights aren't rights if someone can take em away. They're priveledges. That's all we've ever had in this country is a bill of TEMPORARY priviledges; and if you read the news, even badly, you know the list get's shorter, and shorter, and shorter.
Yeup, sooner or later the people in this country are going to realize the government doesn't give a fark about them. the government doesn't care about you, or your children, or your rights, or your welfare or your safety. it simply doesn't give a fark about you. It's interested in it's own power. That's the only thing...keeping it, and expanding wherever possible.
 
2013-02-22 02:03:27 PM
The guy should never have left the message, should have just taken and buried them in a field.  The dog owners would just have assumed that due to their ongoing negligence that the dogs ran off.
 
2013-02-22 02:03:36 PM

gamer_geek: Don't know if its been said yet but Bernese are the gentlest most docile dog I know off. I never seen one get aggressive towards another animal unless the owner was some how in danger. I personally just think the farmer didn't like the dogs on his property. Thus why he made the shiatty phone call.

At the same time, don't let your dogs run loose unsupervised.


msnbcmedia3.msn.com

Yes it ate the sheep when it caught it.
 
2013-02-22 02:10:36 PM

Tastes Like Chicken: kortex, KanedaJD

I'm just making a statement of fact. Not everybody is going to respond to this kind of offense by writing to their state senator. I know I wouldn't. I get irrationally, destructively angry. It's why I don't own a gun. If the only thing that happens to this guy before this is done is some inconvenience and a lady yelling at him, he got off light. Good thing for him he shot the family man's dogs, and not the redneck down the street.

Will it ever be me in this family's shoes? No, I keep my dogs well-contained, because I know better. I do take responsibility. I don't have kids, and I don't go to Olive Garden or WalMart. If I did have kids and go to those places, my kids would be well-behaved, or we wouldn't be there.


Regarding your first paragraph, I understand, I think you're right, and I can relate to what you say about owning a gun. Regarding your second paragraph, I believe you

It was just irresistible to poke at the 'see what happens' guy...
 
2013-02-22 02:11:20 PM

homelessdude: I assume there is somebody out there who is impressed.


Yes, me. I don't give  a toss about anyone else's opinion of my dog,
My wife and son like Minnie too.
 
2013-02-22 02:16:00 PM

Nutsac_Jim: Mr. Cat Poop: Ok, let me amend. Your dog gets into my hen house and I kill it before it has a chance to kill my hens. To me, that dog was a "real danger". To you, I just murdered poor Twinkle in cold blood. So you retaliate by killing all my chickens. You would be the psycho in this scenario.

Well now, the law states that he would be allowed to shoot the dogs if they were maiming his animals.
Did Johnny Guns make any statement that the dogs were pursuing or maiming any animal?  No.


Look, my property plus a gun is more important than your property.
 
2013-02-22 02:26:23 PM
Lots of ITGs in this thread who should spend more time thinking about keeping their dogs controlled than what they would do if someone dared to protect their property from their unsupervised mutts.
 
2013-02-22 02:41:45 PM

doglover: cc_rider: He really couldn't have called them to come get their dogs before he shot two family pets?

We don't know the dogs weren't worrying livestock. Farmers shoot pests. That includes kids and tax men.

I agree that it could spark a blood feud if they were just family pets, but I used to have a dachshund who could kill a sparrow in mid-flight. That dog was a stone cold killer. Scale it up to a collie and you're lookin' at baby alpaca in danger and mommas losing their... foal? What the hell is a baby alpaca called?

I'm reserving judgement until I hear both sides. THEN I'll overreact and rain hyperbole down like it was mere exaggeration.


Socks.
 
2013-02-22 03:09:56 PM
Okay, lets define the context as a lot of information is missing-

These dogs did not escape because of neglectful owners, their fence had been damaged in the night, they did not realize this until minutes after they noticed the dogs went missing.

-So they did not leave a gate open, or let the dogs roam loose...  the dogs escaped because their fence had been damaged in the night.

These dogs were not nuisance dogs responsible for killing his sheep or alpaca at any moment, nor did they have a history of escaping and intruding on his property.

The Sheep were in an enclosure, this enclosure was not accessible to the dogs without human assistance. They were lead into the enclosure, then executed. They were not chasing his sheep randomly in an open field, they were given entry for the purpose of their disposal by Mr. Poletti.

I believe in the right of farmers and people who own livestock or anyone threatened bby dogs running wild to be able to protect that property as needed. The PA law in question has some language that could be altered but the premise of the law is good.

IMPORTANT ELEMENT:
The dogs were given entry to the sheep pen, thus creating an environment where they could be executed justifiably by Mr. Poletti. This is not in the spirit of this law, in fact the law does not allow for this. This man gave entry to the dogs for the purpose of executing them. This is why his actions are heinous, then he followed up by leaving a message for the family. Which is a great way to know that this person is a scumbag.

His anti dog bias may come from previous experience where his sheep, that he cares for and raised were killed, for that I have sympathy and would understand. However, these dogs did not threaten his sheep until he allowed them entry to their enclosure. Basically the man hates dogs, i guess any dogs, as he took his neighbors dogs  and set them so he could "legally" execute them. Then he goes on to taunt the family.

Total douche bag.
 
2013-02-22 03:12:09 PM

Nutsac_Jim: I like how the pussbucket is afraid to answer the phone and door now.
Surely if his argument is just, he can answer questions from the press.


I'm not sure what kind of questions need to be answered here.  Dogs were on his property with his livestock.  Dogs got shot.
 
2013-02-22 03:15:08 PM

Lor M. Ipsum: Nutsac_Jim: I like how the pussbucket is afraid to answer the phone and door now.
Surely if his argument is just, he can answer questions from the press.

I'm not sure what kind of questions need to be answered here.  Dogs were on his property with his livestock.  Dogs got shot.


Just one important question: Why did he let the dogs into the sheep pen?
The enclosure was not accessible by the dogs without help form someone who could open it, guess who opened the gate, lead them into the pen and then shot them? Go on, guess.
 
2013-02-22 03:18:52 PM

sdkOyOte: Okay, lets define the context as a lot of information is missing-

These dogs did not escape because of neglectful owners, their fence had been damaged in the night, they did not realize this until minutes after they noticed the dogs went missing.

-So they did not leave a gate open, or let the dogs roam loose...  the dogs escaped because their fence had been damaged in the night.

These dogs were not nuisance dogs responsible for killing his sheep or alpaca at any moment, nor did they have a history of escaping and intruding on his property.

The Sheep were in an enclosure, this enclosure was not accessible to the dogs without human assistance. They were lead into the enclosure, then executed. They were not chasing his sheep randomly in an open field, they were given entry for the purpose of their disposal by Mr. Poletti.

I believe in the right of farmers and people who own livestock or anyone threatened bby dogs running wild to be able to protect that property as needed. The PA law in question has some language that could be altered but the premise of the law is good.

IMPORTANT ELEMENT:
The dogs were given entry to the sheep pen, thus creating an environment where they could be executed justifiably by Mr. Poletti. This is not in the spirit of this law, in fact the law does not allow for this. This man gave entry to the dogs for the purpose of executing them. This is why his actions are heinous, then he followed up by leaving a message for the family. Which is a great way to know that this person is a scumbag.

His anti dog bias may come from previous experience where his sheep, that he cares for and raised were killed, for that I have sympathy and would understand. However, these dogs did not threaten his sheep until he allowed them entry to their enclosure. Basically the man hates dogs, i guess any dogs, as he took his neighbors dogs  and set them so he could "legally" execute them. Then he goes on to taunt the family.

Total douche bag.


But. If the killer can create any doubt that he caused the dogs to be on his property, he's in his rights to shoot them, execute them, torture them, make doggie salami out of them, or give up a sheep or two to them to have a rationale for any or all of the above. Because my property plus a gun matters more than your property.
 
2013-02-22 03:22:29 PM

Lor M. Ipsum: Nutsac_Jim: I like how the pussbucket is afraid to answer the phone and door now.
Surely if his argument is just, he can answer questions from the press.

I'm not sure what kind of questions need to be answered here.  Dogs were on his property with his livestock.  Dogs got shot.


Absolutely. It shouldn't matter a damn whether the shooter let the dogs on the property and in with the stock or not. If I want to kidnap your dogs to shoot them, it's not my responsibility if you let me do it.
 
2013-02-22 03:38:48 PM

i upped my meds-up yours: But. If the killer can create any doubt that he caused the dogs to be on his property, he's in his rights to shoot them, execute them, torture them, make doggie salami out of them, or give up a sheep or two to them to have a rationale for any or all of the above. Because my property plus a gun matters more than your property.


In the spirit of  the PA law in question, their being on his property is not enough. He had to create a circumstance that would allow him to execute them within the parameters of the law, which if there is doubt that he set them up, sure he can get around it. However as this incident is being investigated, the circumstances are becoming apparent that in order for these dogs to be in position to endanger his sheep, they needed assistance and that doubt is eroding.
 
2013-02-22 03:43:40 PM
I've been attacked by stray dogs on a number of occasions. Most of them were pretty minor, but when I was nine, I had to get stitches on my forehead and my lower lip sewn back on because a stray rottweiler jumped in my dad's boat at the local boat launch and bit me in the face.

I have zero patience for stray dogs. I'm completely siding with the farmer on this one.

I don't own a farm or any livestock and I'd still shoot your farking dog. I don't care who owns it or how big it is. Once they are off a leash, they are all feral as far as I'm concerned.
 
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