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(ABC Local)   In a small Pennsylvania suburb, your neighbor's two friendly dogs escape and end up on your land. Naturally, your only option is to murder the dogs and then leave a taunting voicemail for the dogs owners   (abclocal.go.com) divider line 254
    More: Asinine, Pennsylvania, Chester Co., suburbs, Gabriel Pilotti, Mary Boch  
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2013-02-22 07:06:50 AM
Fine the owners for improperly restraining their dogs.
 
2013-02-22 07:16:29 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: Jim_Callahan: "He had other options," Boch said. "He could have yelled or scared them. He picked up the gun and killed them."

So you're saying he has other options, but they're all options that in no way even begin to address his problem (stray dogs killing his sheep)?

Yeah, thanks, moron.

Honestly, I not only don't really have a problem with this, I would place the blame for the death of the dogs on the morons that didn't properly contain their farking pets.  When you let your dogs uncontrolled off of your property, you are responsible for their inevitable death, as well as any destruction which they cause.  Given the very real problem that strays can be even in urban areas, you're also a horrible person in general as well as a horrible pet owner.

//Dogs are not people, they're property, and destroying them is an entirely reasonable act under all the conditions that destroying property would be.  If you leave your kid's art project on your neighbor's lawn and he takes it for trash and throws it out, that's your fault too.
//Anyone who does not understand that a dog is not a person and uses human-only words like "murdered" when discussing them is far too irresponsible to be trusted with owning a dog.

and anyone who considers any creature that is capable of feeling and independent thought process "property" is exactly the same type of scum that were slave owners in the 1800s.

dogs, cats, etc may not be people, but they are not pieces of paper either, asshole.


I prefer to think of my pets as "companions" over "property".  They have feelings for me and I have feelings for them.  I can understand killing the dogs based on them terrorizing his livestock.  However, that should be the last resort, especially seeing as he evidently knew who to call after shooting them.
 
2013-02-22 07:20:32 AM

SquiggsIN: //Dogs are not people, they're property, and destroying them is an entirely reasonable act under all the conditions that destroying property would be. If you leave your kid's art project on your neighbor's lawn and he takes it for trash and throws it out, that's your fault too.
//Anyone who does not understand that a dog is not a person and uses human-only words like "murdered" when discussing them is far too irresponsible to be trusted with owning a dog.

and anyone who considers any creature that is capable of feeling and independent thought process "property" is exactly the same type of scum that were slave owners in the 1800s.

dogs, cats, etc may not be people, but they are not pieces of paper either, asshole.

I prefer to think of my pets as "companions" over "property". They have feelings for me and I have feelings for them. I can understand killing the dogs based on them terrorizing his livestock. However, that should be the last resort, especially seeing as he evidently knew who to call after shooting them.


which is precisely what they were NOT doing. everyone here knows the neighbor was just being an asshole. what is easier... making a phone call from your chair, or getting out of your chair, grabbing the gun and hitting two moving targets?

/neighbor is a prick, but what goes around comes around.
 
2013-02-22 07:21:42 AM

zenferret: Fine the owners for improperly restraining their dogs.


A tree branch fell on the fence according to the article posted in the comments above. (Act of god.)

Therefore: God killed those dogs.

There was nothing anyone could do. The whole event was ordained from on high. I would think a lightning bolt would have been more humane, though. The old coot was just the hand of God, I guess.

Who are we Farkers to argue with the fist of God?

Also: for someone with "Zen" in their handle--you sure don't seem very zen.
 
2013-02-22 07:21:52 AM
The Snow Dog:
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Dingleberry name calling and an image of a actor who portrayed a ruthless drug lord do not an argument make...

I am a little less amazed that you don't get it...
 
2013-02-22 07:23:09 AM
I would kneecap that asshole, consequences be damned.
 
2013-02-22 07:26:09 AM

NOVanHelsing: The Snow Dog:
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Dingleberry name calling and an image of a actor who portrayed a ruthless drug lord do not an argument make...

I am a little less amazed that you don't get it...


Oh, I get it.
 
2013-02-22 07:26:17 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: everyone here knows the neighbor was just being an asshole.


Actually, none of us were there.

I'm going to give the benefit of the doubt to the man who was on his own property, even if he was a bit of a dick about it. And I hope their meetings with the PA legislature don't cause anything to happen to that law.
 
2013-02-22 07:28:25 AM

YixilTesiphon: I'm going to give the benefit of the doubt to the man who was on his own property


Because that gives you free reign.
 
2013-02-22 07:31:40 AM

offmymeds: TheJoe03: It's why I don't trust people who hate dogs and/or would treat them poorly. Unless you have an allergy or a dog attacked you or hurt someone you loved, it's a sign you're a bad person.

Never trust a man who doesn't like dogs and never trust a man who dogs don't like.


Never trust a man who has his 'roommate' speak for him.
 
2013-02-22 07:35:40 AM

The Snow Dog: A tree branch fell on the fence according to the article posted in the comments above. (Act of god.)


The dogs were not confined to their own property. Act of human. You're looking at a yard that is maybe 1 acre at the most (see map). How long would it take to check the enclosure? If this were a child that wandered onto a highway through a hole in the fence, would you still be as forgiving? The dogs were 1/2 mile away from their property (see map) IN the sheep's pen. Why weren't the owners actively searching for their dogs?
Many dog owners (much like many breeders) feel the world should tolerate their pets - the barking, the pooping, etc. THEY should be shot.

The Snow Dog: Also: for someone with "Zen" in their handle--you sure don't seem very zen.


For someone with "dog" in their handle--you sure don't type like a dog.
 
2013-02-22 07:38:13 AM
If only the dogs had guns, they could have protected themselves.
 
2013-02-22 07:42:35 AM
Let your molest my livestock, lose your dog.   It's that simple.
 
2013-02-22 07:43:19 AM

foo monkey: f only the dogs had guns, they could have protected themselves.


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2013-02-22 07:44:50 AM
I love animals (most of them) but i'm not above using a slingshot to scare away stray feral cats.  I don't need my animals picking up any diseases they leave by shiatting on my property.
 
2013-02-22 07:45:00 AM

zenferret: The Snow Dog: A tree branch fell on the fence according to the article posted in the comments above. (Act of god.)

The dogs were not confined to their own property. Act of human. You're looking at a yard that is maybe 1 acre at the most (see map). How long would it take to check the enclosure? If this were a child that wandered onto a highway through a hole in the fence, would you still be as forgiving? The dogs were 1/2 mile away from their property (see map) IN the sheep's pen. Why weren't the owners actively searching for their dogs?
Many dog owners (much like many breeders) feel the world should tolerate their pets - the barking, the pooping, etc. THEY should be shot.

The Snow Dog: Also: for someone with "Zen" in their handle--you sure don't seem very zen.

For someone with "dog" in their handle--you sure don't type like a dog.


If you'll read the comments above you'll see I said that, if the dogs actually were attacking the livestock, then good for the farmer for protecting his livestock. I also said you'd be the pentultimate douche if the dogs were just in there sniffing around or playing and you walked up and shot them. We'll never know unless there is security camera footage we don't know about.

If you're the type of ferretty douche that would leap at the chance to get in some sweet, sweet dog-killing just because they dare tread on your property: then fark you in the goat-ass.
 
2013-02-22 07:49:24 AM

The Snow Dog: If you'll read the comments above you'll see I said that, if the dogs actually were attacking the livestock, then good for the farmer for protecting his livestock. I also said you'd be the pentultimate douche if the dogs were just in there sniffing around or playing and you walked up and shot them. We'll never know unless there is security camera footage we don't know about.


It's actually irrelevant. The dogs were in the pen with the sheep. This is obviously upsetting to the livestock.

The Snow Dog: If you're the type of ferretty douche that would leap at the chance to get in some sweet, sweet dog-killing just because they dare tread on your property: then fark you in the goat-ass.


Oh, so he should have waited until the dogs actually began attacking the sheep? That makes YOU the douche, sir. Do you let your kids play with a gun right up until they shoot themselves with it, too?
 
2013-02-22 08:03:47 AM
This is farm life, and I understand it even though I've never lived on one.

And to the people that anthropomorphize dogs: they are barely domesticated animals, not your children. I even like (most) dogs, but calling this murder is farking laughable.

Didn't read most of the story, so if the neighbor did leave a VM like that, then that makes him s douche, not the shooting.
 
2013-02-22 08:06:42 AM

zenferret: The Snow Dog: If you'll read the comments above you'll see I said that, if the dogs actually were attacking the livestock, then good for the farmer for protecting his livestock. I also said you'd be the pentultimate douche if the dogs were just in there sniffing around or playing and you walked up and shot them. We'll never know unless there is security camera footage we don't know about.

It's actually irrelevant. The dogs were in the pen with the sheep. This is obviously upsetting to the livestock.

The Snow Dog: If you're the type of ferretty douche that would leap at the chance to get in some sweet, sweet dog-killing just because they dare tread on your property: then fark you in the goat-ass.

Oh, so he should have waited until the dogs actually began attacking the sheep? That makes YOU the douche, sir. Do you let your kids play with a gun right up until they shoot themselves with it, too?


1. Dogs near livestock are "obviously upsetting"? Ever hear of sheep dogs?

2. If the dogs were already in the pen and they were not attacking or acting aggressively then they would likely not attack the sheep. You ever seen a dog get into it with something? They usually make a bee-line towards whatever they're getting into it with and jump on it. Sometimes there's a face-off before the attack if it's something like a dog or badger or something, or in the case of a sheep-like animal that animal may try to flee and will trigger an attack reflex. Most of this is going to happen relatively quickly, though.

Also, the fact that the guy used a single-shot shotgun means that:
A. The dogs likely weren't attacking his sheep or he would've likely hit his sheep. (It's a shotgun.)
B. He had time to kill one dog and reload before he killed the other dog. If the other dog had been attacking it must have been really slow, as over all this elapsed time it still hasn't made it tothe sheep it's attacking.

And some of your compadre's arguments that the dogs scaring the sheep can cause all kinds of health and pregnancy problems---LOL!--what the fark do you think blowing off shotgun blasts into their midst will do? Make them calm and fart rainbows?
 
2013-02-22 08:09:02 AM
Killing a dog is not murder, moron. Might be a dick move, but it's not murder because, last time I checked, dogs aren't human.
 
2013-02-22 08:13:45 AM
Now Mary says she and her husband are trying to explain to their five kids why their dogs won't be coming home.

You mean explaining to them how you couldn't be bothered to keep them fenced-in?


The Boch family is meeting with lawmakers next week, in hopes that going forward this doesn't happen to another family.

I know a pretty easy way to keep it from happening again.  It ain't rocket science.
 
2013-02-22 08:13:57 AM

The Snow Dog: Bread dogs are really docile.


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2013-02-22 08:18:26 AM

The Snow Dog: 1. Dogs near livestock are "obviously upsetting"? Ever hear of sheep dogs?


I'm sorry, I missed the part of the article that said these were the shooter's own sheep dogs - or that the dogs were even trained sheep dogs to begin with. Perhaps you can quote that part for me.

The Snow Dog: 2. If the dogs were already in the pen and they were not attacking or acting aggressively then they would likely not attack the sheep.


Ahh, so now you're the Dog Whisperer? Or a modern-day Dr. Dolittle? You don't know the dogs' intentions. You don't know what sets them off. Either way, it's still irrelevant. The dogs were trespassing, the owner were irresponsible. Judging from the VM, it's not the first time.

The Snow Dog: Also, the fact that the guy used a single-shot shotgun means that:


C) He's a good shot.

Leaving the VM was a dick move, I'll agree to that. But it was also irresponsible to have those dogs running loose - I don't care what the excuse might be. If they were children, those owners would be in jail. If the dogs were secured in their own yard, they'd still be alive.
 
2013-02-22 08:19:31 AM

amindtat: The Snow Dog: Bread dogs are really docile.

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2013-02-22 08:19:46 AM
Wish I could do this with all the cats that like to wander into my back yard.  fark cats and fark the people who own them.
 
2013-02-22 08:24:38 AM
Sad part is there are no winners in this story, all of the players come off as precious snowflakes.  Farmers that have intruder pet dogs acting like Cujo on their livestock will face legal troubles in the future if the law is changed.  It doesn't say how long the branch had been on the fence that let the dogs escape, but feeds the line of irresponsible pet owners letting their dogs run amok and expecing everyone else to just deal with it.  Gun owners being lumped into the shoot first and ask questions later camp.  Old man going all "stay off my lawn" then taunting the pet owners, feeding the grumpy old man stereotype.

I'm also surprised that the alpacas didn't kick the everloving crap out of the dogs.  They are used as guardian animals for sheep and goats because of thier dislike of intruder animals.
 
2013-02-22 08:26:31 AM

amindtat: The Snow Dog: Bread dogs are really docile. [i.imgur.com image 720x539]

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2013-02-22 08:26:57 AM

ReapTheChaos: Wish I could do this with all the cats that like to wander into my back yard.  fark cats and fark the people who own them.


Go all Dennis the Menace on them.  I don't hesitate to hit them in the ass with a pebble.  Cats are very smart... they learn!
 
2013-02-22 08:29:05 AM

zenferret: The Snow Dog: 1. Dogs near livestock are "obviously upsetting"? Ever hear of sheep dogs?I'm sorry, I missed the part of the article that said these were the shooter's own sheep dogs - or that the dogs were even trained sheep dogs to begin with. Perhaps you can quote that part for me.


All dogs are trained sheep dogs, because they all NEED to be trained sheep dogs to make a dog lover's argument work. Just like all pit bulls are loving and cuddly friends to all living things, because MY pit bull is a loving and cuddly friend to all living things.

/problem is, even if the dog thinks it's playing doesn't mean the livestock has read its mind or had this communicated to them in Disney's Universal Animal Language
//nor does the livestocks' panic get communicated back to the dog, so the dog will happily run the livestock to death without even caring
 
2013-02-22 08:33:23 AM

The Snow Dog: zenferret: 1. Dogs near livestock are "obviously upsetting"? Ever hear of sheep dogs?



Here's the crazy thing about sheep dogs though, they are bred to manage sheep. They also are around the sheep for the majority of the sheeps lives. It is a known entity in the mind of the sheep. Sheep knows dog=no stress. Sheep doesn't know dog=possible predator and stranger danger.

For instance: my step-mother had a Rottweiler that grew up with a whitetail deer she kept as a pet. The Rottweiler and deer would hang out, eat together etc. the deer was part of the pack and the rotty was part of the herd. Her other dog that was a latecomer to the house would absolutely freak out the deer.

You are giving the sheep WAY to much credit for being able to discern "friendly dog because he's someone's pet" and "predator who is going to eat me".

Also, multiple dogs become a "pack" and when the predator instinct kicks in, god help the "prey". It can be triggered by running (which is something an animal would do when confronted by a strange predator), so your thought that "Teh sheeps should have KNOWN they weren't there to eat them!!!" is naive at best. You apparently have no concept of the predator/prey relationship and how animals have developed defenses to keep from being lunch.

In this situation, the owner of the farm had every right to kill nuisance animals.
 
2013-02-22 08:35:35 AM

zenferret: The Snow Dog: 1. Dogs near livestock are "obviously upsetting"? Ever hear of sheep dogs?

I'm sorry, I missed the part of the article that said these were the shooter's own sheep dogs - or that the dogs were even trained sheep dogs to begin with. Perhaps you can quote that part for me.

The Snow Dog: 2. If the dogs were already in the pen and they were not attacking or acting aggressively then they would likely not attack the sheep.

Ahh, so now you're the Dog Whisperer? Or a modern-day Dr. Dolittle? You don't know the dogs' intentions. You don't know what sets them off. Either way, it's still irrelevant. The dogs were trespassing, the owner were irresponsible. Judging from the VM, it's not the first time.

The Snow Dog: Also, the fact that the guy used a single-shot shotgun means that:

C) He's a good shot.

Leaving the VM was a dick move, I'll agree to that. But it was also irresponsible to have those dogs running loose - I don't care what the excuse might be. If they were children, those owners would be in jail. If the dogs were secured in their own yard, they'd still be alive.


YOU implied dogs OBVIOUSLY bothered sheep.

I'm not Caesar Milan, but it isn't hard to tell if a dog is aggressiv e or not. Maybe for people like you who obviously embrace knee-jerk reac tions.

BS. He may be a good shot, but you don't not hit your own sheep if a  d og is latched onto said sheep and you shoot it in the head.

The great thing about being human is that we have brains we can use t o make decisions with. If you don't want to use yours, great. But you do n't have to make up stuff. Just say: Dogs were on my property, I felt like killing them. Don't act like you're a hero.
 
2013-02-22 08:37:53 AM
So this 'farmer' must have been a reserve cop, right?
 
2013-02-22 08:40:53 AM
What a P.O.S., he even knew whose pets they were.
 
2013-02-22 08:48:54 AM

Tatterdemalian: zenferret: The Snow Dog: 1. Dogs near livestock are "obviously upsetting"? Ever hear of sheep dogs?I'm sorry, I missed the part of the article that said these were the shooter's own sheep dogs - or that the dogs were even trained sheep dogs to begin with. Perhaps you can quote that part for me. All dogs are trained sheep dogs, because they all NEED to be trained sheep dogs to make a dog lover's argument work. Just like all pit bulls are loving and cuddly friends to all living things, because MY pit bull is a loving and cuddly friend to all living things. /problem is, even if the dog thinks it's playing doesn't mean the livestock has read its mind or had this communicated to them in Disney's Universal Animal Language //nor does the livestocks' panic get communicated back to the dog, so the dog will happily run the livestock to death without even caring


Never said all dogs were trained sheep dogs. The guy said dogs, by the fact of being there, "obviously" bothered sheep. That's BS. They might, they might not. WE don't know.

I'm saying: as humans with brains, maybe we should use them. Mr. notsozenferret seems to think that any neighbors' dog that wanders up to any livestock should be executed summarily. I'm saying that as people we owe it to ourselves and our neighbors to take each situation as unique and use best our judgement to make the right decision.

I never said that this guy FOR SURE made an error in judgement, I'm just saying that facts appear to indicate that he acted rashly. WE won't likely ever know if he did or not. Only the farmer will ever know for sure unless there are witnesses or video.
 
2013-02-22 08:52:03 AM

The Snow Dog: The great thing about being human is that we have brains we can use t o make decisions with. If you don't want to use yours, great. But you do n't have to make up stuff. Just say: Dogs were on my property, I felt like killing them. Don't act like you're a hero.


Sadly, the problem with being human is that if you're not a hero, you're a villain that will quickly be subject to the modern equivalent of the Salem Witch-Burning Team. Which you seem intent on rallying, to prove my point.

/and shooting the dogs was still the correct decision
//just because you think the Disney Universal Animal Language exists doesn't mean it's more real than any invisible sky wizard
 
2013-02-22 08:54:14 AM
Those cuddly lovable family pets snap into predator mode the second they see... prey.  Any dog owner knows or should know that when your dog sees a squirrel, all bets are off.  Yes, through a lot of effort you can train your dog to not chase, but that training only works when the trainer is around.  Loose dogs invariably will track and hunt, it's what they do.

I'm a dog owner, not a gun owner.  Take responsibility before getting a dog.  Learn about the breed, be reasonably sure you can handle the dog, you can keep it from escaping, you have the space and the energy yourself to keep up with the pet's activity level.  Well trained dogs are make happy pets and happy owners, as there's far less frustration for both human and animal.
 
2013-02-22 08:59:54 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Keep your dogs on leash.

The deaths of these two dogs are on the owner that let them run free.


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2013-02-22 09:04:17 AM
I hope the farmer dies a slow and painful death, preferably alone.
 
2013-02-22 09:15:28 AM

Tatterdemalian: The Snow Dog: The great thing about being human is that we have brains we can use t o make decisions with. If you don't want to use yours, great. But you do n't have to make up stuff. Just say: Dogs were on my property, I felt like killing them. Don't act like you're a hero.

Sadly, the problem with being human is that if you're not a hero, you're a villain that will quickly be subject to the modern equivalent of the Salem Witch-Burning Team. Which you seem intent on rallying, to prove my point.

/and shooting the dogs was still the correct decision
//just because you think the Disney Universal Animal Language exists doesn't mean it's more real than any invisible sky wizard


It may have been; it may not have been. I don't think it was the correct decision. And your assertion that I think of things in Disneyesque scenarios is laughable. I grew up hunting and have been around ranches and guns my entire life. I've seen ranchers that had mean dogs that had to be taught to stay away from livestock. I've had black labs that we took to hunting leases that would run and sniff every cow or goat in a quarter-mile of the main house. Nobody ever got all-fired up to put a bullet in their heads because they were doing no harm.

You're saying those happy, investigative dogs should have been shot.

I'm saying that you should take each case and make a decision as to whether there is any real threat before you go blowing sh*t up. It MIGHT have been the correct decision. It MIGHT not've.

/Rational thought, how does it farking work?


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2013-02-22 09:15:30 AM

SquiggsIN: If someone did this to my dogs, I'd end up in jail.


I grew up in rural PA. A couple of my neighbors were feudin' and one of their dogs ended up dead. I don't remember if his owner ended up in jail or not, but the guy who did it definitely spent some time in the hospital immediately after.
 
2013-02-22 09:21:24 AM
The Snow Dog:
YOU implied dogs OBVIOUSLY bothered sheep.

Sheep are prey animals, and they will be fearful and panicked if a strange predator (ie not a dog that they've grown up with and is accustomed to) is among them. It doesn't matter what the dog is doing, they're not going to think rationally like people do, it's not something they're capable of. This really isn't up for debate, it's just how it is. Even if dogs are acting 'playful' and chasing around livestock without catching and harming them directly, the sheep won't think it's funny and will think it's the real deal, that they're being hunted. As others have said, you're giving way too much credit to both the sheep and dogs, they don't think rationally.

Having said that, I would feel very sad if my dogs got loose somehow, got into a farmer's livestock pen and ended up dead because of it. But I understand what it does to the livestock and the farmer isn't obligated to save the dog from it's own antics. We've had to chase off dogs here in PA ourselves, and we've lost chickens from it too. The ones we simply chase off come right back the next time because they found something fun to do when they're out, and it sounds like the farmer was getting fed up with it, since he already lost some animals.
 
2013-02-22 09:23:48 AM

The Snow Dog: Tatterdemalian:

Sadly, the problem with being human is that if you're not a hero, you're a villain that will quickly be subject to the modern equivalent of the Salem Witch-Burning Team. Which you seem intent on rallying, to prove my point.

/and shooting the dogs was still the correct decision
//just because you think the Disney Universal Animal Language exists doesn't mean it's more real than any invisible sky wizard

It may have been; it may not have been. I don't think it was the correct decision. And your assertion that I think of things in Disneyesque scenarios is laughable. I grew up hunting and have been around ranches and guns my entire life. I've seen ranchers that had mean dogs that had to be taught to stay away from livestock. I've had black labs that we took to hunting leases that would run and sniff every cow or goat in a quarter-mile of the main house. Nobody ever got all-fired up to put a bullet in their heads because they were doing no harm.

You're saying those happy, investigative dogs should have been shot.

I'm saying that you should take each case and make a decision as to whether there is any real threat before you go blowing sh*t up. It MIGHT have been the correct decision. It MIGHT not've.

/Rational thought, how does it farking work?

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Rational thought doesn't presume psychic superpowers or Disney Universal Animal Languages. What you're doing is howling fanaticism dressed up as a Glenn Beck "I'm Just Asking Questions" speech, pure and simple.
 
2013-02-22 09:29:37 AM
Five years from now, when the "Home Owners Association" makes this farmer's life miserable because of the smell of his farm in the middle of a subdivision, he is going to cry about how he always tried to get along with the neighbors and everybody is picking on him.

Sorry, bud. You don't live in 1872 on the frontier, you live in an area where farmers and non-farmers live in close proximity. If you don't want to spend your life in court, and fixing fences that mysteriously fall down, better learn to deal with neighbors...and their pets.
 
2013-02-22 09:30:16 AM

pyrotek85: The Snow Dog:
YOU implied dogs OBVIOUSLY bothered sheep.

Sheep are prey animals, and they will be fearful and panicked if a strange predator (ie not a dog that they've grown up with and is accustomed to) is among them. It doesn't matter what the dog is doing, they're not going to think rationally like people do, it's not something they're capable of. This really isn't up for debate, it's just how it is. Even if dogs are acting 'playful' and chasing around livestock without catching and harming them directly, the sheep won't think it's funny and will think it's the real deal, that they're being hunted. As others have said, you're giving way too much credit to both the sheep and dogs, they don't think rationally.

Having said that, I would feel very sad if my dogs got loose somehow, got into a farmer's livestock pen and ended up dead because of it. But I understand what it does to the livestock and the farmer isn't obligated to save the dog from it's own antics. We've had to chase off dogs here in PA ourselves, and we've lost chickens from it too. The ones we simply chase off come right back the next time because they found something fun to do when they're out, and it sounds like the farmer was getting fed up with it, since he already lost some animals.


So EVERY dog that wanders onto a farm should be killed. Got it. My bad.
 
2013-02-22 09:33:12 AM

syzygy whizz: Even folks who Hunt (horses, fancy clothes, hounds) carry a pistol loaded with buckshot  in case they need to get a dog's attention.
Once they're focused on a scent, it's tunnel everything (i.e., vision, scent, sound)...but they're still open to an ass full of buckshot.


We do carry pistols. They are not loaded with buckshot. We do not shoot our hounds.
 
2013-02-22 09:36:58 AM

homelessdude: hate to see a dog get killed as much as anybody, but this is classic yuppie/hipster encroachment and the fallout when dealing with someone who has been there for years probably. This couple spent probably over $2k for a couple of pets so they could say they had some exclusive breed and now they are butthurt over their loss of investment.


Go fark yourself. I love dogs. I sponsor two places at the local shelter. I own a newfoundland. I wanted a dog that had been bred to be good with children. Nothing to do with being a hipster, or looking to be "exclusive"
 
2013-02-22 09:39:30 AM

The Snow Dog: pyrotek85: The Snow Dog:
YOU implied dogs OBVIOUSLY bothered sheep.

Sheep are prey animals, and they will be fearful and panicked if a strange predator (ie not a dog that they've grown up with and is accustomed to) is among them. It doesn't matter what the dog is doing, they're not going to think rationally like people do, it's not something they're capable of. This really isn't up for debate, it's just how it is. Even if dogs are acting 'playful' and chasing around livestock without catching and harming them directly, the sheep won't think it's funny and will think it's the real deal, that they're being hunted. As others have said, you're giving way too much credit to both the sheep and dogs, they don't think rationally.

Having said that, I would feel very sad if my dogs got loose somehow, got into a farmer's livestock pen and ended up dead because of it. But I understand what it does to the livestock and the farmer isn't obligated to save the dog from it's own antics. We've had to chase off dogs here in PA ourselves, and we've lost chickens from it too. The ones we simply chase off come right back the next time because they found something fun to do when they're out, and it sounds like the farmer was getting fed up with it, since he already lost some animals.

So EVERY dog that wanders onto a farm should be killed. Got it. My bad.


The laws allows for it, yes. It's up to the farmer if they believe their livestock is being harassed by a strange dog's presence. Remember the livestock is their livelihood, and many pet owners, as demonstrated in this thread, don't think it's a big deal so they don't give a damn if their beloved pet runs wild.
 
2013-02-22 09:43:23 AM

The Snow Dog: So EVERY dog that wanders onto a farm should be killed. Got it. My bad.


If you can't keep your dog in your yard you shouldn't be surprised when it happens. If it's not a pissed-off farmer, then it will be a car that didn't see them in time. It's called "being responsible" - how does it work?

It's nice that you have others to blame for your own failings, though. Good luck with that.
 
2013-02-22 09:48:12 AM
Now Mary says she and her husband are trying to explain to their five kids why Argus and Fiona won't be coming home.

I suggest a puppet show, whereby the parent puppets are incapable of making a proper fence or checking periodically that the dogs cannot go over or under it.

Guarantee you if their friendly dogs because vicious in order to protect their children from a coyote, they'd be fine with it.
 
2013-02-22 09:49:45 AM

homelessdude: a pair of untamed, spastic, pure bread $1,000 dogs got out of the yard


What a loaf of crap!

/I know I know
 
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