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2013-02-21 09:15:36 PM  
what kind of sick farking cop threatens the president?
 
2013-02-21 09:25:53 PM  
The two officers who were terminated dispute that the threats were made. An attorney representing them in their efforts to be reinstated told CBS 6: "Unfortunately, the termination of the self-proclaimed 'whistleblower' does nothing to remedy the fact that his false allegations resulted in the termination of two officers. Their careers were ended and they have gone through eight months of hell."

So everyone was fired. And we are supposed to feel bad for the guys that wanted to "take a couple of shots . . ." and that another voice in the background talked about planting a bomb under the stage.? Sorry, I disliked Bush, but I never wanted him shot or killed.
 
2013-02-21 09:45:37 PM  
Anytime you fire an officer for reporting real criminal actions of other officers, you reinforce that police do not follow the same laws.  This creates both a chilling effect on whistleblowers and a free license for officers to get out of hand.
 
2013-02-21 10:04:09 PM  

FlashHarry: what kind of sick farking cop threatens the president?


I'm guessing that there just may be some racist cops out there.
 
2013-02-21 10:47:20 PM  

rev. dave: Anytime you fire an officer for reporting real criminal actions of other officers, you reinforce that police do not follow the same laws.  This creates both a chilling effect on whistleblowers and a free license for officers to get out of hand.


And cops wonder why people hate them.

/Chris Dorner died for our sins
 
2013-02-21 11:30:34 PM  
Pretty sure you can't be fired for reporting what could be an assassination attempt on the president.

Whatever he got fired for it wasn't whistleblowing, and the POS article doesn't say.
 
2013-02-21 11:55:57 PM  

FlashHarry: what kind of sick fark becomes a cop?

 
2013-02-22 12:16:28 AM  

PreMortem: Whatever he got fired for it wasn't whistleblowing, and the POS article doesn't say.


Actually, it does say:

The officer told a CBS 6 reporter that on Tuesday he was terminated from the department, later learning that it was because of his interview with CBS, which the department said was in violation of its policy.

So he was fired because he gave an interview about his whistle-blowing.
 
2013-02-22 12:21:56 AM  
The blue wall strikes again.
 
2013-02-22 01:19:52 AM  

SpaceyCat: So he was fired because he gave an interview about his whistle-blowing.


The interview was the whistle-blowing.

A police officer in Richmond, Virginia says he was fired from the department after whistle-blowing to a local news station
 
2013-02-22 02:04:59 AM  

penthesilea: FlashHarry: what kind of sick farking cop threatens the president?

I'm guessing that there just may be some racist cops out there.


I couldn't find any motivation cited in the article, racist or otherwise. What leads you to believe it was racially motivated? Or are you just one of those people who thinks any criticism of a person of color is because racism?
 
2013-02-22 02:13:01 AM  
I have a second cousin, originally from southwest Missouri, who became a cop, and is currently with the Arkansas State Highway Patrol.. I've heard indirectly through my sister that he's said some pretty nasty things about President Obama.
 
2013-02-22 02:14:41 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: penthesilea: FlashHarry: what kind of sick farking cop threatens the president?

I'm guessing that there just may be some racist cops out there.

I couldn't find any motivation cited in the article, racist or otherwise. What leads you to believe it was racially motivated? Or are you just one of those people who thinks any criticism of a person of color is because racism?


When someone threatens the POTUS, and he's not only the first one of color, but also the most centrist, mild, and scandal-free president we've ever had.. very few other motivations come to mind.
 
2013-02-22 03:45:33 AM  
This sounds like retaliation to me. If I were the whistleblower, I'd be getting a lawyer and suing.
 
2013-02-22 04:42:06 AM  

rev. dave: Anytime you fire an officer for reporting real criminal actions of other officers, you reinforce that police do not follow the same laws.  This creates both a chilling effect on whistleblowers and a free license for officers to get out of hand.


TFA:  The officer told a CBS 6 reporter that on Tuesday he was terminated from the department, later learning that it was because of his interview with CBS, which the department said was in violation of its policy.

I'm not cop defender, but the guy was fired for giving an interview to the press, not for being a whistleblower.
 
2013-02-22 05:51:04 AM  

PreMortem: Pretty sure you can't be fired for reporting what could be an assassination attempt on the president.

Whatever he got fired for it wasn't whistleblowing, and the POS article doesn't say.


You have a truly dizzying intellect.  RTFA again, Sparky.

Babwa Wawa: rev. dave: Anytime you fire an officer for reporting real criminal actions of other officers, you reinforce that police do not follow the same laws.  This creates both a chilling effect on whistleblowers and a free license for officers to get out of hand.
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TFA:  The officer told a CBS 6 reporter that on Tuesday he was terminated from the department, later learning that it was because of his interview with CBS, which the department said was in violation of its policy.

I'm not cop defender, but the guy was fired for giving an interview to the press, not for being a whistleblower.


I'm not a lawyer, and I don't know what protections state or local government employees have, but I'm pretty sure that if this cop were a federal employee, that distinction would be completely irrelevant under the Whistleblower Protection Act.

rev. dave: Anytime you fire an officer for reporting real criminal actions of other officers, you reinforce that police do not follow the same laws.  This creates both a chilling effect on whistleblowers and a free license for officers to get out of hand.


Also, this, a thousand times.
 
2013-02-22 05:56:39 AM  
What kind of proof did the WB give?
 
2013-02-22 06:01:06 AM  

Babwa Wawa: rev. dave: 

I'm not cop defender, but the guy was fired for giving an interview to the press, not for being a whistleblower.


Oh, and apparently Virginia has its own statute for state employees that looks, in my layman's opinion, like this cop has a clear cut case against his department.
 
2013-02-22 06:02:07 AM  
Z-clipped:
TFA:  The officer told a CBS 6 reporter that on Tuesday he was terminated from the department, later learning that it was because of his interview with CBS, which the department said was in violation of its policy.

I'm not cop defender, but the guy was fired for giving an interview to the press, not for being a whistleblower.

I'm not a lawyer, and I don't know what protections state or local government employees have, but I'm pretty sure that if this cop were a federal employee, that distinction would be completely irrelevant under the Whistleblower Protection Act.


You're right, you're obviously not a lawyer.  He was fired for violating a department policy - No interviews to the press.  That does indeed mean that the reason he was fired has nothing to do with whistleblowing.  If department policy is that rigid, he could have gone and talked to the press about the weather and still been fired.  The fact that he was talking about his whistleblowing has nothing to do with why he got canned.
 
2013-02-22 06:16:26 AM  

Z-clipped: Babwa Wawa: rev. dave:

I'm not cop defender, but the guy was fired for giving an interview to the press, not for being a whistleblower.

Oh, and apparently Virginia has its own statute for state employees that looks, in my layman's opinion, like this cop has a clear cut case against his department.



And, according to the statute you linked to, ""Appropriate authority" means a federal or  state agency or organization having  jurisdictionover criminal  law enforcement, regulatory violations, professional conduct or ethics, or abuse; or a member, officer, agent, representative, or supervisory employee of the agency or organization. The term also  includes the Office of the  Attorney General, the Office of the State Inspector General, and the General Assembly and its committees having the power and duty to investigate criminal  law enforcement, regulatory violations, professional conduct or ethics, or abuse."

So CBS 6 news is where in that definition?
 
2013-02-22 06:20:11 AM  

LeoffDaGrate: He was fired for violating a department policy - No interviews to the press.


Here's the thing. It's very easy for me to believe that the firing 'for violating a department policy' is a legal smokescreen for the real, underlying act of retaliation. Way too easy. That's the problem.
 
2013-02-22 06:24:49 AM  
should a LEO snap and pull that trigger at POTUS we'll know why co-workers kept their mouth shut. something tells me this fellow talked to his upline and not a damn thing was done about it. there was another LEO (ex-LEO) who had whistleblower problems just a week or two ago but he went up in smoke.
 
2013-02-22 06:27:18 AM  

MooseUpNorth: LeoffDaGrate: He was fired for violating a department policy - No interviews to the press.

Here's the thing. It's very easy for me to believe that the firing 'for violating a department policy' is a legal smokescreen for the real, underlying act of retaliation. Way too easy. That's the problem.



Oh, obviously.  The Department are being dicks and retaliating in any way they can.  I didn't say it was ethically right or that I agreed with it, just that, legally, what they did wasn't wrong.  It's like if you were biatching about the boss while jaywalking.  Hardly anyone gets arrested for jaywalking, yet on that particular day your boss happens to be standing with a cop buddy of his on the corner...
 
2013-02-22 06:27:59 AM  
the press is not your friend
don't go to them for in-house stuff and you keep your job
attention whore got attention
 
2013-02-22 06:29:47 AM  

Alphax: but also the most centrist, mild, and scandal-free president we've ever had.. very few other motivations come to mind


Not sure if serious or just stupid and willfully blind.

It's a crime to threaten the president. Then again it's a crime to make a threat period.
 
2013-02-22 06:47:01 AM  

FlashHarry: what kind of sick farking cop threatens the president?


the kind that most people here on Fark white knight?
 
2013-02-22 06:49:28 AM  

Nadie_AZ: Sorry, I disliked Bush, but I never wanted him shot or killed.


Of course not.   Then we would have been stuck with Cheney.
 
2013-02-22 06:50:33 AM  
...whistle blowing..
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2013-02-22 06:58:49 AM  
Isolated incident.

Few bad apples.

Not at all a symptom of  a system that discourages you from reporting when fellow LEO's break the law.

If you think otherwise you are a radical cop hater.
 
2013-02-22 07:00:13 AM  
It's clear the cop got fired for going to the press, not for whistleblowing.  If he had indeed reported it to the proper authorities in the chain of command, then there was probably an active investigation.  What are cops supposed to say to the media about an active investigation?  "No comment."  You leave that to the department spokesperson.  If he hadn't reported it to the chain of command, well, then he's just an AW.
 
2013-02-22 07:06:24 AM  
The article makes it sound that he blew the whistle by going to press (not sure if that's actually the case, the article is pretty badly written), rather than just talking to the press afterwards.

If I were a LEO hearing credible threats on the president's life, I'd like to think I'd report it to the Secret Service rather than the 6 o'clock news.
 
2013-02-22 07:07:45 AM  

Farce-Side: What are cops supposed to say to the media about an active investigation? "No comment."


If he was investigating it, sure, but it was something he witnessed that wasn't confidential because of his job.

Farce-Side: If he hadn't reported it to the chain of command, well, then he's just an AW


Givent hat he was a cop in VA his reporting it to the Media was likely the only thing that caused any discipline.
 
2013-02-22 07:07:58 AM  
It's a thin blue line between psychopathy and sociopathy.
 
2013-02-22 07:33:17 AM  
If I was that whistleblower, I sure as hell wouldn't work at that department again. Internal Affairs would think the three loads of buckshot in the back of my head was 'a tragic accident' or suicide.
 
2013-02-22 07:53:25 AM  

Farce-Side: It's clear the cop got fired for going to the press, not for whistleblowing.  If he had indeed reported it to the proper authorities in the chain of command, then there was probably an active investigation.  What are cops supposed to say to the media about an active investigation?  "No comment."  You leave that to the department spokesperson.  If he hadn't reported it to the chain of command, well, then he's just an AW.


He should have gone to the secret service instead.

"Investigations" that involve other cops have a tendency to go nowhere.
 
2013-02-22 07:53:54 AM  

penthesilea: FlashHarry: what kind of sick farking cop threatens the president?

I'm guessing that there just may be some racist cops out there.


Just one thing. You don't have to be racist to hate Obama. You can hate him on his actions alone. Not because of his race.
 
2013-02-22 07:57:11 AM  
i hate drugs, but i don't threaten to KILL drugs by eating them
no i just "eat" them. like a normal person
 
2013-02-22 08:02:01 AM  

DesertMP: penthesilea: FlashHarry: what kind of sick farking cop threatens the president?

I'm guessing that there just may be some racist cops out there.

Just one thing. You don't have to be racist to hate Obama. You can hate him on his actions alone. Not because of his race.


That sounds racist.
 
2013-02-22 08:15:33 AM  
When someone threatens the POTUS, and he's not only the first one of color, but also the most centrist, mild, and scandal-free president we've ever had.. very few other motivations come to mind.

I'll grant the first of color and maybe the most scandal-free, but centrist or mild? No.
 
2013-02-22 08:21:47 AM  

LeoffDaGrate: He was fired for violating a department policy - No interviews to the press.


That may or may not be relevant.  The department can make any policy it wants, but that policy doesn't override state law.  If the law gives him the right to redress for discrimination or termination, and the policy specifically inhibits his ability to report wrongdoing, the policy has no bearing.

LeoffDaGrate: And, according to the statute you linked to, ""Appropriate authority" means a federal or  state agency or organization having  jurisdictionover criminal  law enforcement, regulatory violations, professional conduct or ethics, or abuse; or a member, officer, agent, representative, or supervisory employee of the agency or organization. The term also  includes the Office of the  Attorney General, the Office of the State Inspector General, and the General Assembly and its committees having the power and duty to investigate criminal  law enforcement, regulatory violations, professional conduct or ethics, or abuse."


You could be right, though I can't personally say how proscriptive that definition is considered, legally.  If you have reason to believe it is, I'm willing to listen.  But as I see it, if he can show that he had a good reason for going to the media instead of one of the named bodies, it may not matter.  Either way, it's a fact of the case, and so would be decided in court.  I doubt it would affect his ability to bring the suit.  Without specific professional knowledge of VA state law, I don't think we can conclude anything definite about the outcome, should he bring it.

liam76: Isolated incident.

Few bad apples.

Not at all a symptom of  a system that discourages you from reporting when fellow LEO's break the law.

If you think otherwise you are a radical cop hater.


Usually, I'd be right there with you. But in this case, you have a cop who's allegedly trying to do the one thing that would actually HELP our police situation: hold his Brothers in Blue to the same standard of behavior and integrity as the rest of us.  I think that positive outweighs the two asshole cops in the story by a factor of about a brazillion.  Too bad he received the traditional reward reserved for being one of the few good cops out there.
 
2013-02-22 08:23:51 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Or are you just one of those people who thinks any criticism of a person of color is because racism?


threatening to murder = criticism.

got it!
 
2013-02-22 08:29:10 AM  
Too many police departments in this nation have lost the credibility to investigate and "police" themselves.  I generally think cops are good, hard-working, people.  But, I can't discount that there statistically is a percentage of bad cops, and a percentage of cops that turn their heads instead of reporting the "bad" guys.  Not that those things put them down on the level of the "bad" guys but both of these groups make the other 95%+ of LEOs look bad.  It also opens up ALL LEOs and departments to skepticism regarding the effectiveness of their IA units.
 
2013-02-22 08:29:24 AM  

farkmedown: I'll grant the first of color and maybe the most scandal-free, but centrist or mild? No


As far as gays in the military, DOMA, etc you are right.

When it comes to taxes, immigration, etc is close to reagan (further to the right than Ronnie actually).

Republicans being swept up in teatard policies doesn't make Obama's policies less centrist.
 
2013-02-22 08:34:39 AM  

Farce-Side: It's clear the cop got fired for going to the press, not for whistleblowing.


No, it's clear that that's what the department claims.  It's also clear that the officer claims otherwise.  Luckily, we have a civil court system to look at the facts and decide things like this.
 
2013-02-22 08:36:26 AM  

FlashHarry: what kind of sick farking cop threatens the president?


The usual kind?
 
2013-02-22 08:38:11 AM  

liam76: farkmedown: I'll grant the first of color and maybe the most scandal-free, but centrist or mild? No

As far as gays in the military, DOMA, etc you are right.

When it comes to taxes, immigration, etc is close to reagan (further to the right than Ronnie actually).

Republicans being swept up in teatard policies doesn't make Obama's policies less centrist.


Wrong!  Conservatives were NEVER more moderate than they are now.  And we have ALWAYS been at war with Eastasia.
 
2013-02-22 08:42:56 AM  

MurphyMurphy: FlashHarry: what kind of sick fark becomes a cop?


i knew a kid in high school - a real racist loser - he told me he wanted to become a cop so he could "bust n*ggers." i believe he eventually did. become a cop, that is.
 
2013-02-22 08:47:22 AM  

Deep Contact: DesertMP: penthesilea: FlashHarry: what kind of sick farking cop threatens the president?

I'm guessing that there just may be some racist cops out there.

Just one thing. You don't have to be racist to hate Obama. You can hate him on his actions alone. Not because of his race.

That sounds racist.


Damn! And I was so trying to make it NOT sound racist......hmm, I'll try again.  Can we hate his policies and executive orders and his liberal spending agenda and NOT be racist?  How can we hate him and not be racist?  Ahhh.... can I hate the White half of him and not be racist?
 
2013-02-22 08:48:53 AM  
There are a lot of allegations tossed around here and not a lot of evidence.  Relying on one person's say-so as evidence is always risky, especially if that person stands to gain from their own story.  Any available insight into the hard facts?
 
2013-02-22 08:52:49 AM  

sumida sublight: The article makes it sound that he blew the whistle by going to press (not sure if that's actually the case, the article is pretty badly written), rather than just talking to the press afterwards.

If I were a LEO hearing credible threats on the president's life, I'd like to think I'd report it to the Secret Service rather than the 6 o'clock news.


You'd think.  On the other hand, TWO people discussing it indicates a conspiracy, possibly of unknown extent.  If they were serious about doing it, they probably wouldn't hesitate to kill a guy who had evidence against them.  And you never know who is friends with whom across organizations when they occupy the same geographical territory like this.  I admit it's a little far-fetched, but he could have felt that going to the media was the only safe way to get the information out.  Imagine if you'd called someone at the Secret Service and they said "OK, we'll handle it", and then you never heard anything else about it.  Wouldn't you have an itch between your shoulder blades for quite a while after that?

The more I think about it, the more I think I might have been a little paranoid myself in that situation, depending on the tone of what I overheard.
 
2013-02-22 08:52:49 AM  
WE GET IT. HE'S BLACK.
 
2013-02-22 08:58:36 AM  

FlashHarry: MurphyMurphy: FlashHarry: what kind of sick fark becomes a cop?

i knew a kid in high school - a real racist loser - he told me he wanted to become a cop so he could "bust n*ggers." i believe he eventually did. become a cop, that is.


Similarly, a kid from HS wanted to be a cop but was rejected based on the psych profile.  He was a megalomaniac that was only interested in the power trip of authority.  Sadly, people can lie their way through a lot of that stuff if they really want to.
 
2013-02-22 09:00:59 AM  

cubic_spleen: WE GET IT. HE'S BLACK.


I still will never understand the "one drop" analysis of race.  President Obama is just as white as he is black.  Then again, I don't really care what color anyone's skin is.  (That isn't true... I really do hate Smurfs, Andorians, and Pandorans... darned blueskins)
 
2013-02-22 09:02:41 AM  

LeoffDaGrate: Z-clipped:
TFA:  The officer told a CBS 6 reporter that on Tuesday he was terminated from the department, later learning that it was because of his interview with CBS, which the department said was in violation of its policy.

I'm not cop defender, but the guy was fired for giving an interview to the press, not for being a whistleblower.

I'm not a lawyer, and I don't know what protections state or local government employees have, but I'm pretty sure that if this cop were a federal employee, that distinction would be completely irrelevant under the Whistleblower Protection Act.

You're right, you're obviously not a lawyer.  He was fired for violating a department policy - No interviews to the press.  That does indeed mean that the reason he was fired has nothing to do with whistleblowing.  If department policy is that rigid, he could have gone and talked to the press about the weather and still been fired.  The fact that he was talking about his whistleblowing has nothing to do with why he got canned.


If the later be the case, I am okay with that.  We don't want cops randomly giving out information about cases that could cause a violent criminal to escape justice.  It is possible the appeals for the two officers isn't over yet and therefore too early for celebratory AW-ing.
 
2013-02-22 09:06:49 AM  

KrispyKritter: should a LEO snap and pull that trigger at POTUS we'll know why co-workers kept their mouth shut. something tells me this fellow talked to his upline and not a damn thing was done about it. there was another LEO (ex-LEO) who had whistleblower problems just a week or two ago but he went up in smoke.


Where are you meeting all these guys named Leo?
 
2013-02-22 09:15:49 AM  

Alphax: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: penthesilea: FlashHarry: what kind of sick farking cop threatens the president?

I'm guessing that there just may be some racist cops out there.

I couldn't find any motivation cited in the article, racist or otherwise. What leads you to believe it was racially motivated? Or are you just one of those people who thinks any criticism of a person of color is because racism?

When someone threatens the POTUS, and he's not only the first one of color, but also the most centrist, mild, and scandal-free president we've ever had.. very few other motivations come to mind.


Your forgot the most communist socialist president ever.
 
2013-02-22 09:24:09 AM  

rev. dave: Anytime you fire an officer for reporting real criminal actions of other officers, you reinforce that police do not follow the same laws.  This creates both a chilling effect on whistleblowers and a free license for officers to get out of hand.


Sounds like he stay on the force for a year after the incident - then when he decided to cash in on his 15 minutes and do the Interview Circuit is when he got fired.  Attention Whore sounds like to me.
 
2013-02-22 09:24:30 AM  

SquiggsIN: I still will never understand the "one drop" analysis of race.  President Obama is just as white as he is black.


And yet, I bet I have an easier time hailing a cab.
 
2013-02-22 09:31:21 AM  
Let's be clear, he was fired for reporting his fellow officers. The excuse they used was the interview. It's like when the cops want to search your car. The excuse they use to pull you over (say, illegal lane change) and then the probable cause they find (you appear nervous) are made up BS.
 
2013-02-22 09:40:22 AM  
This kind of stuff leads to situations like Christopher Dorner.
 
2013-02-22 09:46:32 AM  

Devolving_Spud: Nadie_AZ: Sorry, I disliked Bush, but I never wanted him shot or killed.

Of course not.   Then we would have been stuck with Cheney.


That and the reasons we disliked Bush were based on rationality.  90% of the things being said about Obama are pure bullshiat.  I am fine with people not sharing political beliefs, but this is another example that we've gone well beyond rationality and it's now a contest about whatever idiots can dream up and say.
 
2013-02-22 09:51:22 AM  

rev. dave: Anytime you fire an officer for reporting real criminal actions of other officers, you reinforce that police do not follow the same laws.  This creates both a chilling effect on whistleblowers and a free license for officers to get out of hand.


I hope other cops don't pick up on this and stop reporting criminal activity within the departments.  That could really get out of hand.
 
2013-02-22 09:51:55 AM  

FlashHarry: what kind of sick farking cop threatens the president?


YOU'RE FIRED!
 
2013-02-22 09:56:19 AM  

CrazyCracka420: Alphax: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: penthesilea: FlashHarry: what kind of sick farking cop threatens the president?

I'm guessing that there just may be some racist cops out there.

I couldn't find any motivation cited in the article, racist or otherwise. What leads you to believe it was racially motivated? Or are you just one of those people who thinks any criticism of a person of color is because racism?

When someone threatens the POTUS, and he's not only the first one of color, but also the most centrist, mild, and scandal-free president we've ever had.. very few other motivations come to mind.

Your forgot the most communist socialist president ever.


what about FDR?
 
2013-02-22 10:03:33 AM  

DesertMP: Deep Contact: DesertMP: penthesilea: FlashHarry: what kind of sick farking cop threatens the president?

I'm guessing that there just may be some racist cops out there.

Just one thing. You don't have to be racist to hate Obama. You can hate him on his actions alone. Not because of his race.

That sounds racist.

Damn! And I was so trying to make it NOT sound racist......hmm, I'll try again.  Can we hate his policies and executive orders and his liberal spending agenda and NOT be racist?  How can we hate him and not be racist?  Ahhh.... can I hate the White half of him and not be racist?


OK, that's better in a racist sort of way.
 
2013-02-22 10:07:55 AM  
Has not yet been fired for blowing his whistle
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2013-02-22 10:08:14 AM  

Z-clipped: You'd think.  On the other hand, TWO people discussing it indicates a conspiracy, possibly of unknown extent.  If they were serious about doing it, they probably wouldn't hesitate to kill a guy who had evidence against them.  And you never know who is friends with whom across organizations when they occupy the same geographical territory like this.  I admit it's a little far-fetched, but he could have felt that going to the media was the only safe way to get the information out.  Imagine if you'd called someone at the Secret Service and they said "OK, we'll handle it", and then you never heard anything else about it.  Wouldn't you have an itch between your shoulder blades for quite a while after that?


Seeing as how the Secret Service has a very specific job there, it's reasonable to assume that if you never heard anything else about it, it's because they're doing something that they would prefer nobody hear about until it's done. Maybe by going to the media, you're farking up an investigation. Maybe you're blowing somebody's cover.

If the conspiracy comes to fruition and/or you have reason to believe that the Secret Service is failing the public, then yeah, you have a good reason to go to the media. Short of that, you're just kind of an AW blasting your employer's business over the airwaves, and you really can't be too indignant when you get fired.
 
2013-02-22 10:17:50 AM  

King Something: rev. dave: Anytime you fire an officer for reporting real criminal actions of other officers, you reinforce that police do not follow the same laws.  This creates both a chilling effect on whistleblowers and a free license for officers to get out of hand.

And cops wonder why people hate them.

/Chris Dorner died for our sins


The officer told a CBS 6 reporter that on Tuesday he was terminated from the department, later learning that it was because of his interview with CBS, which the department said was in violation of its policy.

Next time, try reading the article first.
 
2013-02-22 10:18:22 AM  

Deep Contact: DesertMP: Deep Contact: DesertMP: penthesilea: FlashHarry: what kind of sick farking cop threatens the president?

I'm guessing that there just may be some racist cops out there.

Just one thing. You don't have to be racist to hate Obama. You can hate him on his actions alone. Not because of his race.

That sounds racist.

Damn! And I was so trying to make it NOT sound racist......hmm, I'll try again.  Can we hate his policies and executive orders and his liberal spending agenda and NOT be racist?  How can we hate him and not be racist?  Ahhh.... can I hate the White half of him and not be racist?

OK, that's better in a racist sort of way.


Damn....there's just no way to hate him in a non-racist kind of way!  Better is good, but I'm looking for the perfect non-racist way to hate him.....such a conundrum to have.  He is the devil, only the devil can do this.
 
2013-02-22 10:18:54 AM  

rev. dave: Anytime you fire an officer for reporting real criminal actions of other officers, you reinforce that police do not follow the same laws.  This creates both a chilling effect on whistleblowers and a free license for officers to get out of hand.


He was fired for going to CBS.  He should have called the Secret Service, not dumped egg all over his boss' face.

SquiggsIN: Too many police departments in this nation have lost the credibility to investigate and "police" themselves.  I generally think cops are good, hard-working, people.  But, I can't discount that there statistically is a percentage of bad cops, and a percentage of cops that turn their heads instead of reporting the "bad" guys.  Not that those things put them down on the level of the "bad" guys but both of these groups make the other 95%+ of LEOs look bad.  It also opens up ALL LEOs and departments to skepticism regarding the effectiveness of their IA units.


I definitely agree.
 
2013-02-22 10:30:25 AM  

Loren: rev. dave: Anytime you fire an officer for reporting real criminal actions of other officers, you reinforce that police do not follow the same laws.  This creates both a chilling effect on whistleblowers and a free license for officers to get out of hand.

He was fired for going to CBS.  He should have called the Secret Service, not dumped egg all over his boss' face.

SquiggsIN: Too many police departments in this nation have lost the credibility to investigate and "police" themselves.  I generally think cops are good, hard-working, people.  But, I can't discount that there statistically is a percentage of bad cops, and a percentage of cops that turn their heads instead of reporting the "bad" guys.  Not that those things put them down on the level of the "bad" guys but both of these groups make the other 95%+ of LEOs look bad.  It also opens up ALL LEOs and departments to skepticism regarding the effectiveness of their IA units.

I definitely agree.


I wish it weren't the case but, my city's department has taken some huge hits in recent years after officers were involved in fatal DUI accidents, drug sting corruption, report falsification, racial intimidation/coercion, etc.  They have a very low confidence rating among the public around here which is sad because most of them are good at their jobs and honest men and women.
 
gja
2013-02-22 10:43:31 AM  

d23: That and the reasons we disliked Bush were based on rationality. 90% of the things being said about Obama are pure bullshiat. I am fine with people not sharing political beliefs, but this is another example that we've gone well beyond rationality and it's now a contest about whatever idiots can dream up and say.


Let me give you a few points that are 100% real and true and cannot be refuted, then.
His choice of advisers, cabinet people and appointees include many with questionable behavior.
While this is not unique to him it does not make it any less odious.
RE: Good old "Turbo-tax" Geithner. He is a criminal and he knows it.
RE: Eric Holder."Fast&Furious" fisaco. Two faced about GitMo operations.The "New Black Panther party" incident.

Also, he is far too free and easy with money we haven't even printed yet.
Our kids will bear the brunt of this.

In summation, you are who you surround yourself with, and your actions define you.
Obama has made real and serious gaffes in both respects.
 
2013-02-22 11:09:23 AM  
gja
pointing out faults still makes you a racist.
you evil, evil man
how dare you
 
2013-02-22 11:10:17 AM  

gja: d23: That and the reasons we disliked Bush were based on rationality. 90% of the things being said about Obama are pure bullshiat. I am fine with people not sharing political beliefs, but this is another example that we've gone well beyond rationality and it's now a contest about whatever idiots can dream up and say.

Let me give you a few points that are 100% real and true and cannot be refuted, then.
His choice of advisers, cabinet people and appointees include many with questionable behavior.
While this is not unique to him it does not make it any less odious.
RE: Good old "Turbo-tax" Geithner. He is a criminal and he knows it.
RE: Eric Holder."Fast&Furious" fisaco. Two faced about GitMo operations.The "New Black Panther party" incident.

Also, he is far too free and easy with money we haven't even printed yet.
Our kids will bear the brunt of this.

In summation, you are who you surround yourself with, and your actions define you.
Obama has made real and serious gaffes in both respects.


Geithner: how is he a criminal.  Enumerate it please.
Fast and Furious: I agree, but how is this different than many Bush skirtings of the law and did you speak up then?

Fast and Free with money: again.. did you speak up when Bush was doing the same thing?  He financed entire wars on a credit card.  He was just as fine as Obama on huge amounts of corporate subsidies.  Why were you okay with that then?

I'm fine with all these criticisms, but the problem is that people like you were absolutely FINE when Bush did the same thing.  That's why people think it involves hyper-parasitism.
 
2013-02-22 11:24:33 AM  

gja: RE: Good old "Turbo-tax" Geithner. He is a criminal and he knows it.
RE: Eric Holder."Fast&Furious" fisaco. Two faced about GitMo operations.The "New Black Panther party" incident.

Also, he is far too free and easy with money we haven't even printed yet.
Our kids will bear the brunt of this.

In summation, you are who you surround yourself with, and your actions define you.
Obama has made real and serious gaffes in both respects


What did geitner do that was illegal?

I agree 100% about Holder, but if you don't think Bush pulled the same your head was up your ass (not saying it makes it right, just that it wouldn't make you more inclined to rant abotu how evil he is).

As far as money goes, he added less to the debt than Bush did, and he got us out of a recession.

/before you start throwing out yearly defeceit, you need to remember that Obama wasn;t respnsible for budget when he entered office, and factor int he cost of the Bush tax cuts.
 
gja
2013-02-22 11:40:06 AM  

d23: I'm fine with all these criticisms, but the problem is that people like you were absolutely FINE when Bush did the same thing. That's why people think it involves hyper-parasitism.


liam76: What did geitner do that was illegal?

I agree 100% about Holder, but if you don't think Bush pulled the same your head was up your ass (not saying it makes it right, just that it wouldn't make you more inclined to rant abotu how evil he is).

As far as money goes, he added less to the debt than Bush did, and he got us out of a recession.

/before you start throwing out yearly defeceit, you need to remember that Obama wasn;t respnsible for budget when he entered office, and factor int he cost of the Bush tax cuts.


To both of you: I screamed bloody murder at every prez who has done this. It's my right to do so and I will continue to exercise that right. DON'T PRESUME you know what I did or did not do. That is faulty thinking.

Don't say things like "people like you" or that generalistic bullshiat. You don't know me that well.

Geithner: how is he a criminal.  Enumerate it please.

liam76: What did geitner do that was illegal?

Falsified tax returns. You and I would have gone to lockup for the stunt he pulled.
Don't claim it's not so. GIS the details. All very public knowledge.
Try this for starters.
 
2013-02-22 11:44:15 AM  

freewill: Seeing as how the Secret Service has a very specific job there, it's reasonable to assume that if you never heard anything else about it, it's because they're doing something that they would prefer nobody hear about until it's done. Maybe by going to the media, you're farking up an investigation. Maybe you're blowing somebody's cover.


Or maybe the Secret Service agent happens to know someone involved, reports your call as a crackpot hoax, and three weeks later, you catch a bullet in the back from someone in your department.  (I did say it was far fetched.  I think it's most likely that this cop just worked with a couple of assholes who talked a lot of shiat, and eventually got tired of listening to them say totally egregious, illegal things on the job.)

If the conspiracy comes to fruition and/or you have reason to believe that the Secret Service is failing the public, then yeah, you have a good reason to go to the media. Short of that, you're just kind of an AW blasting your employer's business over the airwaves, and you really can't be too indignant when you get fired.

That's certainly one way to look at it.  But I find that people have a remarkable ability to become indignant about a lot of things.  Like having a black president, for example.  I'm only inclined to side with the guy because he represents a break in the Blue Wall of getting-away-with-shiat, which I think is a good and necessary thing.  I don't really know if that's the reality of the situation.

Meh, whatever.  If he files a suit against the department, the judge will sort it out.  He'll either get a payday, or get stuck with the court costs and a job guarding a warehouse somewhere.
 
2013-02-22 11:48:05 AM  
Oh, so that's what it takes to get fired from that gang of street thugs.
 
2013-02-22 11:49:48 AM  
randomjsa:It's a crime to threaten the president. Then again it's a crime to make a threat period.

Unless, of course you're a police officer.

A civilian would have been Gitmoed for this, but the two Officers involved just temporarily lose their jobs.
 
2013-02-22 11:50:07 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Or are you just one of those people who thinks any criticism of a person of color is because racism?


Threatening somebody's life counts as "criticism" in your world?

Somebody ought to take you out back and shoot you for that.

/I'm not threatening you
//I'm criticizing you
 
2013-02-22 11:53:26 AM  
Alphax:  I'm guessing that there just may be some racist cops out there.

When someone threatens the POTUS, and he's not only the first one of color, but also the most centrist, mild, and scandal-free president we've ever had.. very few other motivations come to mind.


Yeah... pretty much. I used to think racism was on it's way out 'til Obama became president. Didn't take long for the closet racists to come out of the woodwork. I'm not talking about rational discourse... I'm talking about people I had previously thought were fairly normal now spouting off crazy, crazy shiat about Obama quite literally being the antichrist... comparing him to Hitler... Editing Obama's speeches to make it sound like he's saying something totally the opposite of what he actually said. And you can send them unedited video that proves them wrong beyond any shadow of a doubt, and they still don't have the sense to stop.

Meanwhile, there are roughly 4800 Americans now in the ground and many more thousands with debilitating injuries directly as a result of Dubya's choice to go to war with Iraq. Not to mention the crushing debt of an unnecessary war.

I'm not saying Obama doesn't have his faults, but seriously... Does anyone enjoygetting royally farked over by their healthcare provider? Does any sane individual really need an AK-47 to hunt? These are the things that make them yell "pinko!!!" "communist!!!"... Really? Most of them don't even know WTF a communist is... I read a comment from some dork that said Obama was a communist like Adolf Hitler. Go read up on Hitler... He was an evil asshole, but a commie Hitler wasn't. Fact is, Hitler was very much an anti-commie. It was one of the things Hitler crusaded against.

This is why people with more than one functioning brain cell can't take you guys seriously.

Flame away. Down deep, you know I'm right.
 
2013-02-22 11:55:57 AM  

gja: d23: That and the reasons we disliked Bush were based on rationality. 90% of the things being said about Obama are pure bullshiat. I am fine with people not sharing political beliefs, but this is another example that we've gone well beyond rationality and it's now a contest about whatever idiots can dream up and say.

Let me give you a few points that are 100% real and true and cannot be refuted, then.
His choice of advisers, cabinet people and appointees include many with questionable behavior.
While this is not unique to him it does not make it any less odious.
RE: Good old "Turbo-tax" Geithner. He is a criminal and he knows it.
RE: Eric Holder."Fast&Furious" fisaco. Two faced about GitMo operations.The "New Black Panther party" incident.

Also, he is far too free and easy with money we haven't even printed yet.
Our kids will bear the brunt of this.

In summation, you are who you surround yourself with, and your actions define you.
Obama has made real and serious gaffes in both respects.


Citations for any of those would be nice.  Especially the bit about the "questionable behavior" of his appointments.
 
gja
2013-02-22 12:13:28 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: gja: d23: That and the reasons we disliked Bush were based on rationality. 90% of the things being said about Obama are pure bullshiat. I am fine with people not sharing political beliefs, but this is another example that we've gone well beyond rationality and it's now a contest about whatever idiots can dream up and say.

Let me give you a few points that are 100% real and true and cannot be refuted, then.
His choice of advisers, cabinet people and appointees include many with questionable behavior.
While this is not unique to him it does not make it any less odious.
RE: Good old "Turbo-tax" Geithner. He is a criminal and he knows it.
RE: Eric Holder."Fast&Furious" fisaco. Two faced about GitMo operations.The "New Black Panther party" incident.

Also, he is far too free and easy with money we haven't even printed yet.
Our kids will bear the brunt of this.

In summation, you are who you surround yourself with, and your actions define you.
Obama has made real and serious gaffes in both respects.

Citations for any of those would be nice.  Especially the bit about the "questionable behavior" of his appointments.


Try up the thread 6 few posts for Geithners details.
Here's 1 for Holder. Here's a second ref. Any more, go find it yourself or your are either lazy or willingly obtuse and trying to deflect.
 
2013-02-22 12:14:03 PM  

DesertMP: Damn....there's just no way to hate him in a non-racist kind of way!


You could try just disagreeing with him, and leaving the hate out of it entirely.

SquiggsIN: most of them are good at their jobs and honest men and women.


This is a nice sentiment, but it turns into "almost none" when you stop including the cops-who-know-about-crooked-cops-but-don't-report-them in the "honest" category.  Sorry, but they're all just as dirty.  Nothing good they might do on the job makes up for allowing others to poison the integrity of the entire profession.

gja: Also, he is far too free and easy with money we haven't even printed yet.
Our kids will bear the brunt of this.


Oh please.

Stimulus to jumpstart failing economy/instituting the first step toward national healthcare = far too free and easy with money
Starting a pointless, trillion dollar war based on false intelligence, while cutting taxes on the already fabulously rich = A-OK?

This is the kind of "take the beam out of your own eye" stuff that makes it hard to take most criticism of Obama seriously.  I support the guy, and I think he has a lot of things to answer for.  But adding a couple of drops to the torrential downpour of sniveling, greedy, incompetent governance that the GOP has perpetrated during my lifetime ain't #1 on the list.   Our kids will bear the brunt... of the last 30 years of farked up "conservative" economic policy.  Slashing the education budget, corporate personhood, regressive taxes, unchecked sub-prime lending,Glass Steagall, Citizens United... you can't possibly think we were on the right track before Obama showed up.  You think he, all by himself, knocked us off the rails of success?  Come on.  Get real.
 
2013-02-22 12:15:11 PM  

gja: d23: I'm fine with all these criticisms, but the problem is that people like you were absolutely FINE when Bush did the same thing. That's why people think it involves hyper-parasitism.

liam76: What did geitner do that was illegal?

I agree 100% about Holder, but if you don't think Bush pulled the same your head was up your ass (not saying it makes it right, just that it wouldn't make you more inclined to rant abotu how evil he is).

As far as money goes, he added less to the debt than Bush did, and he got us out of a recession.

/before you start throwing out yearly defeceit, you need to remember that Obama wasn;t respnsible for budget when he entered office, and factor int he cost of the Bush tax cuts.

To both of you: I screamed bloody murder at every prez who has done this. It's my right to do so and I will continue to exercise that right. DON'T PRESUME you know what I did or did not do. That is faulty thinking.

Don't say things like "people like you" or that generalistic bullshiat. You don't know me that well.

Geithner: how is he a criminal.  Enumerate it please.
liam76: What did geitner do that was illegal?
Falsified tax returns. You and I would have gone to lockup for the stunt he pulled.
Don't claim it's not so. GIS the details. All very public knowledge.
Try this for starters.


GibbyTheMole: Alphax:  I'm guessing that there just may be some racist cops out there.

When someone threatens the POTUS, and he's not only the first one of color, but also the most centrist, mild, and scandal-free president we've ever had.. very few other motivations come to mind.

Yeah... pretty much. I used to think racism was on it's way out 'til Obama became president. Didn't take long for the closet racists to come out of the woodwork. I'm not talking about rational discourse... I'm talking about people I had previously thought were fairly normal now spouting off crazy, crazy shiat about Obama quite literally being the antichrist... comparing him to Hitler... Editing Obama's speeches to make it sound like he's saying something totally the opposite of what he actually said. And you can send them unedited video that proves them wrong beyond any shadow of a doubt, and they still don't have the sense to stop.

Meanwhile, there are roughly 4800 Americans now in the ground and many more thousands with debilitating injuries directly as a result of Dubya's choice to go to war with Iraq. Not to mention the crushing debt of an unnecessary war.

I'm not saying Obama doesn't have his faults, but seriously... Does anyone enjoygetting royally farked over by their healthcare provider? Does any sane individual really need an AK-47 to hunt? These are the things that make them yell "pinko!!!" "communist!!!"... Really? Most of them don't even know WTF a communist is... I read a comment from some dork that said Obama was a communist like Adolf Hitler. Go read up on Hitler... He was an evil asshole, but a commie Hitler wasn't. Fact is, Hitler was very much an anti-commie. It was one of the things Hitler crusaded against.

This is why people with more than one functioning brain cell can't take you guys seriously.

Flame away. Down deep, you know I'm right.


Not that there aren't people on the left who mindlessly flame on the right without making a cogent argument too.  Personally, I think anyone who still believes that either side (R or D) has their best interests in mind hasn't been paying very much attention or is too stupid to understand what's in front of them.
 
2013-02-22 12:15:27 PM  

gja: To both of you: I screamed bloody murder at every prez who has done this. It's my right to do so and I will continue to exercise that right. DON'T PRESUME you know what I did or did not do. That is faulty thinking.


Yes it is your right to do so, but the original point was that he was "centerist".

I am fine bashing him for this, but not in the context of him being worse than other presidents.
 
gja
2013-02-22 12:16:11 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Oh, so that's what it takes to get fired from that gang of street thugs.


I expect you to be flamed to death by the "Thin blue line" supporters any time now....
 
2013-02-22 12:19:20 PM  

Z-clipped: DesertMP: Damn....there's just no way to hate him in a non-racist kind of way!

You could try just disagreeing with him, and leaving the hate out of it entirely.

SquiggsIN: most of them are good at their jobs and honest men and women.

This is a nice sentiment, but it turns into "almost none" when you stop including the cops-who-know-about-crooked-cops-but-don't-report-them in the "honest" category.  Sorry, but they're all just as dirty.  Nothing good they might do on the job makes up for allowing others to poison the integrity of the entire profession.

gja: Also, he is far too free and easy with money we haven't even printed yet.
Our kids will bear the brunt of this.

Oh please.

Stimulus to jumpstart failing economy/instituting the first step toward national healthcare = far too free and easy with money
Starting a pointless, trillion dollar war based on false intelligence, while cutting taxes on the already fabulously rich = A-OK?

This is the kind of "take the beam out of your own eye" stuff that makes it hard to take most criticism of Obama seriously.  I support the guy, and I think he has a lot of things to answer for.  But adding a couple of drops to the torrential downpour of sniveling, greedy, incompetent governance that the GOP has perpetrated during my lifetime ain't #1 on the list.   Our kids will bear the brunt... of the last 30 years of farked up "conservative" economic policy.  Slashing the education budget, corporate personhood, regressive taxes, unchecked sub-prime lending,Glass Steagall, Citizens United... you can't possibly think we were on the right track before Obama showed up.  You think he, all by himself, knocked us off the rails of success?  Come on.  Get real.


I stated my opinion earlier.  I believe that the vast majority 95%+ of LEO are good people.  But, yes, there is a non-zero percentage of bad cops and a larger percentage of those cops that look the other way which, almost drops them down to the same level.  (and depending on what it is that they are pretending to not notice or not report I view them in vastly different lights)
 
gja
2013-02-22 12:20:43 PM  

liam76: gja: To both of you: I screamed bloody murder at every prez who has done this. It's my right to do so and I will continue to exercise that right. DON'T PRESUME you know what I did or did not do. That is faulty thinking.

Yes it is your right to do so, but the original point was that he was "centerist".

I am fine bashing him for this, but not in the context of him being worse than other presidents.


GOOD. Then we agree. I bash ALL politicians equally. They all suck! I trust none of them as they have clearly shown they have not earned my trust.

O is centrist . Decidedly so. Bush was a numbskull. Clinton was preoccupied with skirt (might still be, that old dog).

When I see one that puts his/her WHOLE self into doing their job without waste or waffling I will be happy.
 
2013-02-22 12:25:17 PM  
90% of the people in this thread should go defenestrate themselves. How the FARK do you read that article and then post such complete fails people?

Fark has been going downhill for a while, but recently it has gotten ridiculous. The article was like 8-10 sentences, took about 40 seconds to read, and explained everything you needed to know to understand what took place... Yet even with it being that stupid-simple almost nobody here has made an intelligent informed post about it. WTF is wrong with you people?
 
2013-02-22 12:26:41 PM  
SquiggsIN: Not that there aren't people on the left who mindlessly flame on the right without making a cogent argument too.  Personally, I think anyone who still believes that either side (R or D) has their best interests in mind hasn't been paying very much attention or is too stupid to understand what's in front of them.

Right you are. Though it seems to me like the foamiest of mouths usually come from the conservative side. But yeah... politicians in general are only in it for themselves. The best we can hope to do is vote for the one least likely to eviscerate the country in 4 years.
 
2013-02-22 12:33:10 PM  

gja: d23: I'm fine with all these criticisms, but the problem is that people like you were absolutely FINE when Bush did the same thing. That's why people think it involves hyper-parasitism.

liam76: What did geitner do that was illegal?

I agree 100% about Holder, but if you don't think Bush pulled the same your head was up your ass (not saying it makes it right, just that it wouldn't make you more inclined to rant abotu how evil he is).

As far as money goes, he added less to the debt than Bush did, and he got us out of a recession.

/before you start throwing out yearly defeceit, you need to remember that Obama wasn;t respnsible for budget when he entered office, and factor int he cost of the Bush tax cuts.

To both of you: I screamed bloody murder at every prez who has done this. It's my right to do so and I will continue to exercise that right. DON'T PRESUME you know what I did or did not do. That is faulty thinking.

Don't say things like "people like you" or that generalistic bullshiat. You don't know me that well.

Geithner: how is he a criminal.  Enumerate it please.
liam76: What did geitner do that was illegal?
Falsified tax returns. You and I would have gone to lockup for the stunt he pulled.
Don't claim it's not so. GIS the details. All very public knowledge.
Try this for starters.


This. I was actually way more critical of Bush and his entire administration. Of course during those years whenever I voiced my opinion, it was the republicans calling me an anti-American socialist libtard. Now when I mildly criticize Obama I get called a racist bootstrappy conservative.

Ah partisan hackery, you never let me down.
 
2013-02-22 12:35:34 PM  

DesertMP: Deep Contact: DesertMP: Deep Contact: DesertMP: penthesilea: FlashHarry: what kind of sick farking cop threatens the president?

I'm guessing that there just may be some racist cops out there.

Just one thing. You don't have to be racist to hate Obama. You can hate him on his actions alone. Not because of his race.

That sounds racist.

Damn! And I was so trying to make it NOT sound racist......hmm, I'll try again.  Can we hate his policies and executive orders and his liberal spending agenda and NOT be racist?  How can we hate him and not be racist?  Ahhh.... can I hate the White half of him and not be racist?

OK, that's better in a racist sort of way.

Damn....there's just no way to hate him in a non-racist kind of way!  Better is good, but I'm looking for the perfect non-racist way to hate him.....such a conundrum to have.  He is the devil, only the devil can do this.



Your giving the devil it's do.
 
2013-02-22 12:37:57 PM  

SquiggsIN: Personally, I think anyone who still believes that either side (R or D) has their best interests in mind hasn't been paying very much attention or is too stupid to understand what's in front of them.


It's not that people who vote Democrat think that the Democrats have their best interests in mind.  It's that they think there are at least some few Democratic politicians who do.  Which is significant, since it's clear from their policy that not a single one of the GOP politicians do, unless you happen to be rich.

gja: When I see one that puts his/her WHOLE self into doing their job without waste or waffling I will be happy.


I'm sorry about the rest of your life.  : (
 
gja
2013-02-22 12:45:49 PM  

Z-clipped: SquiggsIN: Personally, I think anyone who still believes that either side (R or D) has their best interests in mind hasn't been paying very much attention or is too stupid to understand what's in front of them.

It's not that people who vote Democrat think that the Democrats have their best interests in mind.  It's that they think there are at least some few Democratic politicians who do.  Which is significant, since it's clear from their policy that not a single one of the GOP politicians do, unless you happen to be rich.

gja: When I see one that puts his/her WHOLE self into doing their job without waste or waffling I will be happy.

I'm sorry about the rest of your life.  : (


LOL. OK, that's cute. Not hilarious, but cute.

I guess I would like to see pols have to toe-the-line like so many people I work with.
They would have to show they rendered a real and measurable benefit as a ROI while doing their job.
It's how I have managed to get where I am now. Perhaps I expect too much.
 
2013-02-22 12:48:34 PM  
He was fired for blabbing it to the news media. Not for whistle blowing.

SubmiTard needs to pay attention to the story.
 
2013-02-22 01:06:54 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: gja: d23: I'm fine with all these criticisms, but the problem is that people like you were absolutely FINE when Bush did the same thing. That's why people think it involves hyper-parasitism.

liam76: What did geitner do that was illegal?

I agree 100% about Holder, but if you don't think Bush pulled the same your head was up your ass (not saying it makes it right, just that it wouldn't make you more inclined to rant abotu how evil he is).

As far as money goes, he added less to the debt than Bush did, and he got us out of a recession.

/before you start throwing out yearly defeceit, you need to remember that Obama wasn;t respnsible for budget when he entered office, and factor int he cost of the Bush tax cuts.

To both of you: I screamed bloody murder at every prez who has done this. It's my right to do so and I will continue to exercise that right. DON'T PRESUME you know what I did or did not do. That is faulty thinking.

Don't say things like "people like you" or that generalistic bullshiat. You don't know me that well.

Geithner: how is he a criminal.  Enumerate it please.
liam76: What did geitner do that was illegal?
Falsified tax returns. You and I would have gone to lockup for the stunt he pulled.
Don't claim it's not so. GIS the details. All very public knowledge.
Try this for starters.

This. I was actually way more critical of Bush and his entire administration. Of course during those years whenever I voiced my opinion, it was the republicans calling me an anti-American socialist libtard. Now when I mildly criticize Obama I get called a racist bootstrappy conservative.

Ah partisan hackery, you never let me down.


As someone with Libertarian ideals i get it from both sides all the time because I'm quick to point out the hypocrisy and fallacies of each side's respective agenda.  Ignorant people love to use the terms 'liberal' and 'conservative' as pejoratives without really understanding what either word means.  They aren't mutually exclusive terms but the majority of American have been convinced that they are by a 2-party system which has a near 100% lock on our government.  Which is just fine by the Republicans AND Democrats.  They all know that eventually public opinion will change enough to sway power to whoever is down at the moment and they are fine with waiting.  As I've said before (and will preach to anyone willing to listen), we should stop focusing on the divisive issues for which there will never be common ground (abortion, immigration, gay rights, etc.).  The parties WANT us to worry about stuff that can never reach consensus views so that we don't notice the few areas in which R's and D's work together to screw us over repeatedly.
 
2013-02-22 01:14:13 PM  
Its the south, no surprise really.
 
2013-02-22 01:51:35 PM  

Babwa Wawa: rev. dave: Anytime you fire an officer for reporting real criminal actions of other officers, you reinforce that police do not follow the same laws.  This creates both a chilling effect on whistleblowers and a free license for officers to get out of hand.

TFA:  The officer told a CBS 6 reporter that on Tuesday he was terminated from the department, later learning that it was because of his interview with CBS, which the department said was in violation of its policy.

I'm not cop defender, but the guy was fired for giving an interview to the press, not for being a whistleblower.


That absolutely falls under the "the people have a right to know" madate of free expression and free press. If that doesn't supercede department rules, then that, too, reinforces the idea that cops are a law unto themselves. The crime was a threat against our president, yours mine and theirs, by people we are told to respect and obey. This deserved to be publicly revealed and NOT filtered through the department's PR screens first.
 
2013-02-22 01:52:14 PM  
Impossible. Each and every cop is a hero.
 
2013-02-22 01:58:27 PM  

gshepnyc: That absolutely falls under the "the people have a right to know" madate of free expression and free press. If that doesn't supercede department rules, then that, too, reinforces the idea that cops are a law unto themselves. The crime was a threat against our president, yours mine and theirs, by people we are told to respect and obey. This deserved to be publicly revealed and NOT filtered through the department's PR screens first.


It was reported to and investigated by the Secret Service, the officers who made the comments were fired.  The situation was not exactly swept under the rug.
 
2013-02-22 02:10:59 PM  
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Look here Meow
 
2013-02-22 02:31:38 PM  

PreMortem: Pretty sure you can't be fired for reporting what could be an assassination attempt on the president.

Whatever he got fired for it wasn't whistleblowing, and the POS article doesn't say.


Pretty sure the the ones that think it through first don't tell you they are firing you for a protected act. "Misconduct" and other vague and non-telling terms tend to be used. You could be "confrontational" or a "bully."
 
2013-02-22 02:36:44 PM  
He should have just called the SS and let them have their fun without a heads up via the press.
 
2013-02-22 03:00:03 PM  

FlashHarry: what kind of sick farking cop threatens the president?


LOL - Your innocence is cute.
 
2013-02-22 03:01:01 PM  

cmunic8r99: SpaceyCat: So he was fired because he gave an interview about his whistle-blowing.

The interview was the whistle-blowing.

A police officer in Richmond, Virginia says he was fired from the department after whistle-blowing to a local news station


They prefer to keep problems like these in-house so they can be dealt with by other officers who understand the situation.  It's a perfectly logical need for self-regulation which also has the unfortunate side-effect of hiding abuse and threatening those who speak up when it happens.
 
2013-02-22 03:24:21 PM  

Z-clipped: liam76: farkmedown: I'll grant the first of color and maybe the most scandal-free, but centrist or mild? No

As far as gays in the military, DOMA, etc you are right.

When it comes to taxes, immigration, etc is close to reagan (further to the right than Ronnie actually).

Republicans being swept up in teatard policies doesn't make Obama's policies less centrist.

Wrong!  Conservatives were NEVER more moderate than they are now.  And we have ALWAYS been at war with Eastasia.


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2013-02-22 03:58:48 PM  

gja: Also, he is far too free and easy with money we haven't even printed yet.
Our kids will bear the brunt of this.


Personally I think our kids would have had it worse without the spending.  It is accepted economic wisdom that spending, even deficit spending, can be effectively used to stimulate growth, and that's a great way to reverse a dive-bombing economy.  Whether or not you agree with the approach, representing the stimulus spending as an inherently, obviously flawed policy without merit is either ignorant or intellectually dishonest.
 
gja
2013-02-22 04:07:02 PM  

Gawdzila: gja: Also, he is far too free and easy with money we haven't even printed yet.
Our kids will bear the brunt of this.

Personally I think our kids would have had it worse without the spending.  It is accepted economic wisdom that spending, even deficit spending, can be effectively used to stimulate growth, and that's a great way to reverse a dive-bombing economy.  Whether or not you agree with the approach, representing the stimulus spending as an inherently, obviously flawed policy without merit is either ignorant or intellectually dishonest.


And exactly where did I say the stimulus effort was the problem? Oh, I didn't, that's right. There are plenty of of things he is using money for that are not going to yield the benefit we garnered from the stimulus packages. Have a look at the budget, there is plenty of crap and pork without even looking at the stimulus.
 
gja
2013-02-22 04:09:45 PM  

Babwa Wawa: gshepnyc: That absolutely falls under the "the people have a right to know" madate of free expression and free press. If that doesn't supercede department rules, then that, too, reinforces the idea that cops are a law unto themselves. The crime was a threat against our president, yours mine and theirs, by people we are told to respect and obey. This deserved to be publicly revealed and NOT filtered through the department's PR screens first.

It was reported to and investigated by the Secret Service, the officers who made the comments were fired.  The situation was not exactly swept under the rug.


It's good there were repercussions for the 2 cops that made the stupid comments, but firing the other sends a chilling message to others who might otherwise have an itch to take the high road. "Speak up and get canned, but good". Not really a good thing to be doing. Perhaps some disciplinary action and write him up, but not to be fired.
 
2013-02-22 04:27:45 PM  

gja: It's good there were repercussions for the 2 cops that made the stupid comments, but firing the other sends a chilling message to others who might otherwise have an itch to take the high road. "Speak up and get canned, but good". Not really a good thing to be doing. Perhaps some disciplinary action and write him up, but not to be fired.


I see your point - this might have been retaliation.  If so, then it will have a chilling effect, and shouldn't have been done.    However it is plausible, if not just as likely,that the officer who reported it was AWing.

If it was retaliation, then the officer will sue, at which point the facts around the case will come out.
 
2013-02-22 04:45:28 PM  

Rug Doctor: Impossible. Each and every cop is a hero.


Google "David Bisard IMPD"
 
2013-02-22 06:56:07 PM  

SquiggsIN: cubic_spleen: WE GET IT. HE'S BLACK.

I still will never understand the "one drop" analysis of race.  President Obama is just as white as he is black.  Then again, I don't really care what color anyone's skin is.  (That isn't true... I really do hate Smurfs, Andorians, and Pandorans... darned blueskins)


there was only 1 black person in my high school!
 
2013-02-22 07:50:22 PM  

gja: And exactly where did I say the stimulus effort was the problem? Oh, I didn't, that's right.


No, you only vaguely hinted at spending money, period, so really I'm left to guess what you meant.
Plenty of people have complained about the stimulus spending, so it wasn't exactly an unreasonable assumption.  So did you actually have any specifics you're concerned about?


gja: Have a look at the budget, there is plenty of crap and pork without even looking at the stimulus.


What one considers "pork" is often highly debatable, and of course there is a LOT of spending that he isn't even allowed to touch, at least not without completely reforming the programs that the spending is attached to (something he has already started on with the health care bill).  The biggest "crap" expenditures I can think of off the top of my head weren't enacted by him, but he is certainly cutting several of them back (wars come specifically to mind).  Are there programs and funds that we could reclaim from ineffective programs?  Yeah, sure, but he HAS devoted resources to improving the effectiveness and efficiency of government programs, and a lot of pork is stuff not added by him.  He can't just remove it by himself; it requires the cooperation of congress, and they've been particularly recalcitrant about enacting just about everything.
 
2013-02-22 10:40:38 PM  
The message becomes ever clearer:

If you're a cop and you're thinking of calling out the misconduct of a brother officer, you'll clap your doughnut holster shut and go back to beating civvies like your told if you know what's good for you.
 
gja
2013-02-23 10:33:46 AM  

Gawdzila: gja: And exactly where did I say the stimulus effort was the problem? Oh, I didn't, that's right.

No, you only vaguely hinted at spending money, period, so really I'm left to guess what you meant.
Plenty of people have complained about the stimulus spending, so it wasn't exactly an unreasonable assumption.  So did you actually have any specifics you're concerned about?


gja: Have a look at the budget, there is plenty of crap and pork without even looking at the stimulus.

What one considers "pork" is often highly debatable, and of course there is a LOT of spending that he isn't even allowed to touch, at least not without completely reforming the programs that the spending is attached to (something he has already started on with the health care bill).  The biggest "crap" expenditures I can think of off the top of my head weren't enacted by him, but he is certainly cutting several of them back (wars come specifically to mind).  Are there programs and funds that we could reclaim from ineffective programs?  Yeah, sure, but he HAS devoted resources to improving the effectiveness and efficiency of government programs, and a lot of pork is stuff not added by him.  He can't just remove it by himself; it requires the cooperation of congress, and they've been particularly recalcitrant about enacting just about everything.


I want to see the president TRY harder. I know he cannot do it just on his effort. But I want to see the person in office give those around him hell for not working with him.
I have yet to see that so I remained disappointed and as far as anything else that can be said every person that sits in that office takes the job knowing full well that it comes with a ton of crap and the edict "The buck stops here".
He is the boss. There can be no excuses for not setting the shining example. And that goes for every person that has ever sat in the chair.
Thus far,most have been poor examples.
 
gja
2013-02-23 10:35:34 AM  

BuckTurgidson: The message becomes ever clearer:

If you're a cop and you're thinking of calling out the misconduct of a brother officer, you'll clap your doughnut holster shut and go back to beating civvies like your told if you know what's good for you.


That's what I am afraid the message the department wanted to send appears to be. That can only lead to more thickening of "The blue line" stupidity.
 
2013-02-24 12:44:58 AM  

gja: I want to see the president TRY harder. I know he cannot do it just on his effort. But I want to see the person in office give those around him hell for not working with him.


I dunno, it seems to me that he HAS been doing that to as great an extent as can be expected.
Our system has checks and balances.  He ISN'T the ultimate authority on everything, and calling him "The Boss" doesn't make it so.  If Congress is determined to use their capacity for checking the action of the Executive branch to keep anything from happening, he can't force their hand and they know it.  Even the thread of dire economic consequences for the whole country doesn't seem to be able to make the House work with him willingly.  Maybe you have some unrealistic expectations of what the President can and should do.  Maybe you need to consider spreading the blame around instead of focusing on one guy.
 
gja
2013-02-24 12:11:56 PM  

Gawdzila: gja: I want to see the president TRY harder. I know he cannot do it just on his effort. But I want to see the person in office give those around him hell for not working with him.

I dunno, it seems to me that he HAS been doing that to as great an extent as can be expected.
Our system has checks and balances.  He ISN'T the ultimate authority on everything, and calling him "The Boss" doesn't make it so.  If Congress is determined to use their capacity for checking the action of the Executive branch to keep anything from happening, he can't force their hand and they know it.  Even the thread of dire economic consequences for the whole country doesn't seem to be able to make the House work with him willingly.  Maybe you have some unrealistic expectations of what the President can and should do.  Maybe you need to consider spreading the blame around instead of focusing on one guy.


I have, believe me. I imagine my file at the FBI is full of house members and congress-critters memos notated with "this guy is an effing PITA!"
"The boss" was not meant literally. At 51 I know quite a lot of how things work in this world. The US govt is no mystery to me.
I would like to hear those around him whining "FFS sake, how much more can he ask of us?" because then I know he is pushing them and they are sharing our pains. Sick to the teeth of these folks being paid VERY well and their disconnect with us. The general public at large.

My focus on one person stems from their being the front-man for the band. He took the job knowing what he was getting into.
No sympathy from me. He is done working forever (if he wants) in a few years. And he will retire very comfortably.
He and I are only months apart in age, we both went to college, we both put up with much shiat in our earlier lives.
He is, in many ways, MY generation. Our generation was supposed to fix these things.

Government needs an overhaul. Badly.
Those charged with domestic security (police and such) need to go to school to re-learn who they work for....US.
I am sick of LEO's very poor US v. The crap where they treat each other like some secret brotherhood is an endemic symptom that pervades their ranks.
They need to let that shiat go. This thread pisses me off. I imagine this cop (while not without blame) was served up and screwed.
I'll bet his peers will clam up rather than speak up next time "there is something rotten in Denmark".
 
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