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2013-02-21 09:15:36 PM
what kind of sick farking cop threatens the president?
 
2013-02-21 09:25:53 PM
The two officers who were terminated dispute that the threats were made. An attorney representing them in their efforts to be reinstated told CBS 6: "Unfortunately, the termination of the self-proclaimed 'whistleblower' does nothing to remedy the fact that his false allegations resulted in the termination of two officers. Their careers were ended and they have gone through eight months of hell."

So everyone was fired. And we are supposed to feel bad for the guys that wanted to "take a couple of shots . . ." and that another voice in the background talked about planting a bomb under the stage.? Sorry, I disliked Bush, but I never wanted him shot or killed.
 
2013-02-21 09:45:37 PM
Anytime you fire an officer for reporting real criminal actions of other officers, you reinforce that police do not follow the same laws.  This creates both a chilling effect on whistleblowers and a free license for officers to get out of hand.
 
2013-02-21 10:04:09 PM

FlashHarry: what kind of sick farking cop threatens the president?


I'm guessing that there just may be some racist cops out there.
 
2013-02-21 10:47:20 PM

rev. dave: Anytime you fire an officer for reporting real criminal actions of other officers, you reinforce that police do not follow the same laws.  This creates both a chilling effect on whistleblowers and a free license for officers to get out of hand.


And cops wonder why people hate them.

/Chris Dorner died for our sins
 
2013-02-21 11:30:34 PM
Pretty sure you can't be fired for reporting what could be an assassination attempt on the president.

Whatever he got fired for it wasn't whistleblowing, and the POS article doesn't say.
 
2013-02-21 11:55:57 PM

FlashHarry: what kind of sick fark becomes a cop?

 
2013-02-22 12:16:28 AM

PreMortem: Whatever he got fired for it wasn't whistleblowing, and the POS article doesn't say.


Actually, it does say:

The officer told a CBS 6 reporter that on Tuesday he was terminated from the department, later learning that it was because of his interview with CBS, which the department said was in violation of its policy.

So he was fired because he gave an interview about his whistle-blowing.
 
2013-02-22 12:21:56 AM
The blue wall strikes again.
 
2013-02-22 01:19:52 AM

SpaceyCat: So he was fired because he gave an interview about his whistle-blowing.


The interview was the whistle-blowing.

A police officer in Richmond, Virginia says he was fired from the department after whistle-blowing to a local news station
 
2013-02-22 02:04:59 AM

penthesilea: FlashHarry: what kind of sick farking cop threatens the president?

I'm guessing that there just may be some racist cops out there.


I couldn't find any motivation cited in the article, racist or otherwise. What leads you to believe it was racially motivated? Or are you just one of those people who thinks any criticism of a person of color is because racism?
 
2013-02-22 02:13:01 AM
I have a second cousin, originally from southwest Missouri, who became a cop, and is currently with the Arkansas State Highway Patrol.. I've heard indirectly through my sister that he's said some pretty nasty things about President Obama.
 
2013-02-22 02:14:41 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: penthesilea: FlashHarry: what kind of sick farking cop threatens the president?

I'm guessing that there just may be some racist cops out there.

I couldn't find any motivation cited in the article, racist or otherwise. What leads you to believe it was racially motivated? Or are you just one of those people who thinks any criticism of a person of color is because racism?


When someone threatens the POTUS, and he's not only the first one of color, but also the most centrist, mild, and scandal-free president we've ever had.. very few other motivations come to mind.
 
2013-02-22 03:45:33 AM
This sounds like retaliation to me. If I were the whistleblower, I'd be getting a lawyer and suing.
 
2013-02-22 04:42:06 AM

rev. dave: Anytime you fire an officer for reporting real criminal actions of other officers, you reinforce that police do not follow the same laws.  This creates both a chilling effect on whistleblowers and a free license for officers to get out of hand.


TFA:  The officer told a CBS 6 reporter that on Tuesday he was terminated from the department, later learning that it was because of his interview with CBS, which the department said was in violation of its policy.

I'm not cop defender, but the guy was fired for giving an interview to the press, not for being a whistleblower.
 
2013-02-22 05:51:04 AM

PreMortem: Pretty sure you can't be fired for reporting what could be an assassination attempt on the president.

Whatever he got fired for it wasn't whistleblowing, and the POS article doesn't say.


You have a truly dizzying intellect.  RTFA again, Sparky.

Babwa Wawa: rev. dave: Anytime you fire an officer for reporting real criminal actions of other officers, you reinforce that police do not follow the same laws.  This creates both a chilling effect on whistleblowers and a free license for officers to get out of hand.
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TFA:  The officer told a CBS 6 reporter that on Tuesday he was terminated from the department, later learning that it was because of his interview with CBS, which the department said was in violation of its policy.

I'm not cop defender, but the guy was fired for giving an interview to the press, not for being a whistleblower.


I'm not a lawyer, and I don't know what protections state or local government employees have, but I'm pretty sure that if this cop were a federal employee, that distinction would be completely irrelevant under the Whistleblower Protection Act.

rev. dave: Anytime you fire an officer for reporting real criminal actions of other officers, you reinforce that police do not follow the same laws.  This creates both a chilling effect on whistleblowers and a free license for officers to get out of hand.


Also, this, a thousand times.
 
2013-02-22 05:56:39 AM
What kind of proof did the WB give?
 
2013-02-22 06:01:06 AM

Babwa Wawa: rev. dave: 

I'm not cop defender, but the guy was fired for giving an interview to the press, not for being a whistleblower.


Oh, and apparently Virginia has its own statute for state employees that looks, in my layman's opinion, like this cop has a clear cut case against his department.
 
2013-02-22 06:02:07 AM
Z-clipped:
TFA:  The officer told a CBS 6 reporter that on Tuesday he was terminated from the department, later learning that it was because of his interview with CBS, which the department said was in violation of its policy.

I'm not cop defender, but the guy was fired for giving an interview to the press, not for being a whistleblower.

I'm not a lawyer, and I don't know what protections state or local government employees have, but I'm pretty sure that if this cop were a federal employee, that distinction would be completely irrelevant under the Whistleblower Protection Act.


You're right, you're obviously not a lawyer.  He was fired for violating a department policy - No interviews to the press.  That does indeed mean that the reason he was fired has nothing to do with whistleblowing.  If department policy is that rigid, he could have gone and talked to the press about the weather and still been fired.  The fact that he was talking about his whistleblowing has nothing to do with why he got canned.
 
2013-02-22 06:16:26 AM

Z-clipped: Babwa Wawa: rev. dave:

I'm not cop defender, but the guy was fired for giving an interview to the press, not for being a whistleblower.

Oh, and apparently Virginia has its own statute for state employees that looks, in my layman's opinion, like this cop has a clear cut case against his department.



And, according to the statute you linked to, ""Appropriate authority" means a federal or  state agency or organization having  jurisdictionover criminal  law enforcement, regulatory violations, professional conduct or ethics, or abuse; or a member, officer, agent, representative, or supervisory employee of the agency or organization. The term also  includes the Office of the  Attorney General, the Office of the State Inspector General, and the General Assembly and its committees having the power and duty to investigate criminal  law enforcement, regulatory violations, professional conduct or ethics, or abuse."

So CBS 6 news is where in that definition?
 
2013-02-22 06:20:11 AM

LeoffDaGrate: He was fired for violating a department policy - No interviews to the press.


Here's the thing. It's very easy for me to believe that the firing 'for violating a department policy' is a legal smokescreen for the real, underlying act of retaliation. Way too easy. That's the problem.
 
2013-02-22 06:24:49 AM
should a LEO snap and pull that trigger at POTUS we'll know why co-workers kept their mouth shut. something tells me this fellow talked to his upline and not a damn thing was done about it. there was another LEO (ex-LEO) who had whistleblower problems just a week or two ago but he went up in smoke.
 
2013-02-22 06:27:18 AM

MooseUpNorth: LeoffDaGrate: He was fired for violating a department policy - No interviews to the press.

Here's the thing. It's very easy for me to believe that the firing 'for violating a department policy' is a legal smokescreen for the real, underlying act of retaliation. Way too easy. That's the problem.



Oh, obviously.  The Department are being dicks and retaliating in any way they can.  I didn't say it was ethically right or that I agreed with it, just that, legally, what they did wasn't wrong.  It's like if you were biatching about the boss while jaywalking.  Hardly anyone gets arrested for jaywalking, yet on that particular day your boss happens to be standing with a cop buddy of his on the corner...
 
2013-02-22 06:27:59 AM
the press is not your friend
don't go to them for in-house stuff and you keep your job
attention whore got attention
 
2013-02-22 06:29:47 AM

Alphax: but also the most centrist, mild, and scandal-free president we've ever had.. very few other motivations come to mind


Not sure if serious or just stupid and willfully blind.

It's a crime to threaten the president. Then again it's a crime to make a threat period.
 
2013-02-22 06:49:28 AM

Nadie_AZ: Sorry, I disliked Bush, but I never wanted him shot or killed.


Of course not.   Then we would have been stuck with Cheney.
 
2013-02-22 06:58:49 AM
Isolated incident.

Few bad apples.

Not at all a symptom of  a system that discourages you from reporting when fellow LEO's break the law.

If you think otherwise you are a radical cop hater.
 
2013-02-22 07:00:13 AM
It's clear the cop got fired for going to the press, not for whistleblowing.  If he had indeed reported it to the proper authorities in the chain of command, then there was probably an active investigation.  What are cops supposed to say to the media about an active investigation?  "No comment."  You leave that to the department spokesperson.  If he hadn't reported it to the chain of command, well, then he's just an AW.
 
2013-02-22 07:06:24 AM
The article makes it sound that he blew the whistle by going to press (not sure if that's actually the case, the article is pretty badly written), rather than just talking to the press afterwards.

If I were a LEO hearing credible threats on the president's life, I'd like to think I'd report it to the Secret Service rather than the 6 o'clock news.
 
2013-02-22 07:07:45 AM

Farce-Side: What are cops supposed to say to the media about an active investigation? "No comment."


If he was investigating it, sure, but it was something he witnessed that wasn't confidential because of his job.

Farce-Side: If he hadn't reported it to the chain of command, well, then he's just an AW


Givent hat he was a cop in VA his reporting it to the Media was likely the only thing that caused any discipline.
 
2013-02-22 07:07:58 AM
It's a thin blue line between psychopathy and sociopathy.
 
2013-02-22 07:33:17 AM
If I was that whistleblower, I sure as hell wouldn't work at that department again. Internal Affairs would think the three loads of buckshot in the back of my head was 'a tragic accident' or suicide.
 
2013-02-22 07:53:25 AM

Farce-Side: It's clear the cop got fired for going to the press, not for whistleblowing.  If he had indeed reported it to the proper authorities in the chain of command, then there was probably an active investigation.  What are cops supposed to say to the media about an active investigation?  "No comment."  You leave that to the department spokesperson.  If he hadn't reported it to the chain of command, well, then he's just an AW.


He should have gone to the secret service instead.

"Investigations" that involve other cops have a tendency to go nowhere.
 
2013-02-22 07:53:54 AM

penthesilea: FlashHarry: what kind of sick farking cop threatens the president?

I'm guessing that there just may be some racist cops out there.


Just one thing. You don't have to be racist to hate Obama. You can hate him on his actions alone. Not because of his race.
 
2013-02-22 07:57:11 AM
i hate drugs, but i don't threaten to KILL drugs by eating them
no i just "eat" them. like a normal person
 
2013-02-22 08:02:01 AM

DesertMP: penthesilea: FlashHarry: what kind of sick farking cop threatens the president?

I'm guessing that there just may be some racist cops out there.

Just one thing. You don't have to be racist to hate Obama. You can hate him on his actions alone. Not because of his race.


That sounds racist.
 
2013-02-22 08:15:33 AM
When someone threatens the POTUS, and he's not only the first one of color, but also the most centrist, mild, and scandal-free president we've ever had.. very few other motivations come to mind.

I'll grant the first of color and maybe the most scandal-free, but centrist or mild? No.
 
2013-02-22 08:21:47 AM

LeoffDaGrate: He was fired for violating a department policy - No interviews to the press.


That may or may not be relevant.  The department can make any policy it wants, but that policy doesn't override state law.  If the law gives him the right to redress for discrimination or termination, and the policy specifically inhibits his ability to report wrongdoing, the policy has no bearing.

LeoffDaGrate: And, according to the statute you linked to, ""Appropriate authority" means a federal or  state agency or organization having  jurisdictionover criminal  law enforcement, regulatory violations, professional conduct or ethics, or abuse; or a member, officer, agent, representative, or supervisory employee of the agency or organization. The term also  includes the Office of the  Attorney General, the Office of the State Inspector General, and the General Assembly and its committees having the power and duty to investigate criminal  law enforcement, regulatory violations, professional conduct or ethics, or abuse."


You could be right, though I can't personally say how proscriptive that definition is considered, legally.  If you have reason to believe it is, I'm willing to listen.  But as I see it, if he can show that he had a good reason for going to the media instead of one of the named bodies, it may not matter.  Either way, it's a fact of the case, and so would be decided in court.  I doubt it would affect his ability to bring the suit.  Without specific professional knowledge of VA state law, I don't think we can conclude anything definite about the outcome, should he bring it.

liam76: Isolated incident.

Few bad apples.

Not at all a symptom of  a system that discourages you from reporting when fellow LEO's break the law.

If you think otherwise you are a radical cop hater.


Usually, I'd be right there with you. But in this case, you have a cop who's allegedly trying to do the one thing that would actually HELP our police situation: hold his Brothers in Blue to the same standard of behavior and integrity as the rest of us.  I think that positive outweighs the two asshole cops in the story by a factor of about a brazillion.  Too bad he received the traditional reward reserved for being one of the few good cops out there.
 
2013-02-22 08:23:51 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Or are you just one of those people who thinks any criticism of a person of color is because racism?


threatening to murder = criticism.

got it!
 
2013-02-22 08:29:24 AM

farkmedown: I'll grant the first of color and maybe the most scandal-free, but centrist or mild? No


As far as gays in the military, DOMA, etc you are right.

When it comes to taxes, immigration, etc is close to reagan (further to the right than Ronnie actually).

Republicans being swept up in teatard policies doesn't make Obama's policies less centrist.
 
2013-02-22 08:34:39 AM

Farce-Side: It's clear the cop got fired for going to the press, not for whistleblowing.


No, it's clear that that's what the department claims.  It's also clear that the officer claims otherwise.  Luckily, we have a civil court system to look at the facts and decide things like this.
 
2013-02-22 08:36:26 AM

FlashHarry: what kind of sick farking cop threatens the president?


The usual kind?
 
2013-02-22 08:38:11 AM

liam76: farkmedown: I'll grant the first of color and maybe the most scandal-free, but centrist or mild? No

As far as gays in the military, DOMA, etc you are right.

When it comes to taxes, immigration, etc is close to reagan (further to the right than Ronnie actually).

Republicans being swept up in teatard policies doesn't make Obama's policies less centrist.


Wrong!  Conservatives were NEVER more moderate than they are now.  And we have ALWAYS been at war with Eastasia.
 
2013-02-22 08:42:56 AM

MurphyMurphy: FlashHarry: what kind of sick fark becomes a cop?


i knew a kid in high school - a real racist loser - he told me he wanted to become a cop so he could "bust n*ggers." i believe he eventually did. become a cop, that is.
 
2013-02-22 08:47:22 AM

Deep Contact: DesertMP: penthesilea: FlashHarry: what kind of sick farking cop threatens the president?

I'm guessing that there just may be some racist cops out there.

Just one thing. You don't have to be racist to hate Obama. You can hate him on his actions alone. Not because of his race.

That sounds racist.


Damn! And I was so trying to make it NOT sound racist......hmm, I'll try again.  Can we hate his policies and executive orders and his liberal spending agenda and NOT be racist?  How can we hate him and not be racist?  Ahhh.... can I hate the White half of him and not be racist?
 
2013-02-22 08:48:53 AM
There are a lot of allegations tossed around here and not a lot of evidence.  Relying on one person's say-so as evidence is always risky, especially if that person stands to gain from their own story.  Any available insight into the hard facts?
 
2013-02-22 08:52:49 AM

sumida sublight: The article makes it sound that he blew the whistle by going to press (not sure if that's actually the case, the article is pretty badly written), rather than just talking to the press afterwards.

If I were a LEO hearing credible threats on the president's life, I'd like to think I'd report it to the Secret Service rather than the 6 o'clock news.


You'd think.  On the other hand, TWO people discussing it indicates a conspiracy, possibly of unknown extent.  If they were serious about doing it, they probably wouldn't hesitate to kill a guy who had evidence against them.  And you never know who is friends with whom across organizations when they occupy the same geographical territory like this.  I admit it's a little far-fetched, but he could have felt that going to the media was the only safe way to get the information out.  Imagine if you'd called someone at the Secret Service and they said "OK, we'll handle it", and then you never heard anything else about it.  Wouldn't you have an itch between your shoulder blades for quite a while after that?

The more I think about it, the more I think I might have been a little paranoid myself in that situation, depending on the tone of what I overheard.
 
2013-02-22 08:52:49 AM
WE GET IT. HE'S BLACK.
 
2013-02-22 09:02:41 AM

LeoffDaGrate: Z-clipped:
TFA:  The officer told a CBS 6 reporter that on Tuesday he was terminated from the department, later learning that it was because of his interview with CBS, which the department said was in violation of its policy.

I'm not cop defender, but the guy was fired for giving an interview to the press, not for being a whistleblower.

I'm not a lawyer, and I don't know what protections state or local government employees have, but I'm pretty sure that if this cop were a federal employee, that distinction would be completely irrelevant under the Whistleblower Protection Act.

You're right, you're obviously not a lawyer.  He was fired for violating a department policy - No interviews to the press.  That does indeed mean that the reason he was fired has nothing to do with whistleblowing.  If department policy is that rigid, he could have gone and talked to the press about the weather and still been fired.  The fact that he was talking about his whistleblowing has nothing to do with why he got canned.


If the later be the case, I am okay with that.  We don't want cops randomly giving out information about cases that could cause a violent criminal to escape justice.  It is possible the appeals for the two officers isn't over yet and therefore too early for celebratory AW-ing.
 
2013-02-22 09:06:49 AM

KrispyKritter: should a LEO snap and pull that trigger at POTUS we'll know why co-workers kept their mouth shut. something tells me this fellow talked to his upline and not a damn thing was done about it. there was another LEO (ex-LEO) who had whistleblower problems just a week or two ago but he went up in smoke.


Where are you meeting all these guys named Leo?
 
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