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(My Fox Dallas)   High school teacher gives assignment for students to write paper on anything they want. But if you write about hunting or attending a gun show. YOU GET NOTHING Difficulty: TEXAS   (myfoxdfw.com) divider line 34
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2013-02-22 01:14:03 AM
5 votes:
" I feel like he has just stomped on our right to free speech "

Yeah, being arrested and prosecuted for writing about guns must've been awful...

...Oh, wait. That didn't happen.

/the first amendment doesn't work that way, you farking moron.
2013-02-22 06:44:12 AM
4 votes:

drjekel_mrhyde: Big deal out of nothing


So you're saying that the teacher should be able to give a writing assignment without guidelines, and then should be able to reject a paper because it violates the non-existent guidelines? What if the student wrote about attending a gay pride parade, and the teacher decided to give the student a zero because of the topic. Would that be an issue?
2013-02-22 06:42:24 AM
4 votes:
That's pants-on-head retarded.  When I was in high school, we had an English assignment like this.  Give a presentation on how to do something.  Anything you want.  So one classmate did "How to make various pipes using household items".  We got the apple pipe, the can pipe, the soda bottle bong, and basic theory on what it takes to make a smoking device that could be applied when those specific items weren't available.  It was a very informative presentation which was the whole point of the assignment.  He was graded appropriately and the format was changed so future classes had to have their topics approved.  (I assume there was also a meeting with is parents.)  No vaginas got filled with sand.
2013-02-22 03:24:55 PM
2 votes:

kaonevar: //is a liberal
//believes in the right to bear arms
//also believes in gun regulation, just like we regulate the operation of motor vehicles


I'd *LOVE* that.

You know what that would mean?

1.  You could purchase any gun you wanted without a background check.

2. If you just wanted to use your gun on private property, you wouldn't need a license at all.

3. If you wanted to carry your gun in public, you'd need a license to do so.  This license would be granted to everyone who could pass a very basic written test and short range session (and of course who aren't disqualified from gun ownership).  Well over 90% of the people would pass that test the first time they take it.  The cost would be minimal, maybe $50 for a license good for 6 to 10 years.  It would be good in all 50 states and in every city, so if Nebraska issued you a carry license, New York City would recognize it as valid.

I'd *LOVE* that, because it would significantly loosen both my state and federal law,  but I suspect that isn't what you meant.
2013-02-22 08:04:50 AM
2 votes:
My favorite was questions on a test (in English while we were reading Huckleberry Finn) that asked "In your opinion, what was the motivation for character A to do such and such".

When I get the test back, that answer is marked wrong. When I questioned the "wrongness" of my answer, the teacher listed what was wrong about my answer according to how she interpreted the passage. My reply was "You asked what MY opinion was, not yours, if you wanted me to tell you what YOUR opinion was, you should have specified that".

While you may disagree with my opinion, it cannot be wrong as my opinion is based on my observations of the situation and how my mind perceives it. My opinion could be steeped in herp with a large chaser of derp, but that doesn't make it wrong, only different from your perception of the situation.
2013-02-22 07:28:57 AM
2 votes:
Typical liberal open minded and fair to all... as long as you agree with him.
2013-02-22 07:15:55 AM
2 votes:

BigBooper: drjekel_mrhyde: Big deal out of nothing

So you're saying that the teacher should be able to give a writing assignment without guidelines, and then should be able to reject a paper because it violates the non-existent guidelines? What if the student wrote about attending a gay pride parade, and the teacher decided to give the student a zero because of the topic. Would that be an issue?


Not really no. It's one assignment in a podunk school in a podunk town. Who the fark cares.
2013-02-22 06:44:41 AM
2 votes:

Krieghund: From TFA:The Denton Independent School District said in a statement, "The teacher has accepted the paper and apologized to the student for misperceptions. The teacher's intent was for guns not to be trivialized in any school situation because of recent events."


See, the teacher tried to mitigate a delicate subject, but crazy mom had to turn the derp to 12.
2013-02-22 02:40:54 AM
2 votes:

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: It's possible there's a little more to this story.


Usually if a certain topic is off-limits, the teacher would normally mention that beforehand so as to avoid problems like this.
2013-02-22 12:00:45 AM
2 votes:
While I'm normally supportive of teachers as I come from a long line of teachers (dad, brother, grandmother, aunts, etc.), if the teacher just doesn't like the subject chosen, she should grade it.

Like President Obama's recent SOTU address where he called out "It deserves a vote," I paraphrase his call as "It deserves a grade."

/Good night all.
2013-02-22 01:23:18 PM
1 votes:
The teacher should grade the paper.  But the arguments the mother is giving are all 100% backwards.  There is no protection of free speech in school assignments.  The protection offered by the First Amendment does not apply to school assignments.  Censorship does not apply to school assignments either.  The issue is that the student completely followed the instructed guidelines, and the teacher disagreed.  Upon realizing his own error in not being more specific about the assignment, he changed his mind and accepted the paper.  The kid could have written a paper about torturing babies, or about the joys of anal sex, and he still would have been fulfilling the requirements.  Seems like a simple misunderstanding (although with political basis), but with a simple solution.  Not sure how much more of an apology this mother requires to stay out of the newspaper.
2013-02-22 11:25:48 AM
1 votes:

SquiggsIN: You people sadden me.  Liberal and Conservative are not mutually exclusive terms and you all seem to have fallen into the trap that they are.  Also, that your duty as a member of either "side" is to oppose vehemently anything the other side suggests.

The 2 party system is a by-design stranglehold to ensure that people think there are only 2 choices.  We keep electing 99.9% R's and D's and expecting things to change.  Both parties love that most of the American public is too focused on where they disagree to focus on the real areas of concern : those items on which R's and D's agree.


I think it would be very interesting if all of the incumbents were voted out and new representation was voted in that were running as Republicans and Democrats. The moment they take office, they turn around and say "Surprise! I am really an independent party member!!!" Then, you would ultimately have representation that is full of the "third party" members and allow the system to expand beyond the 2-party system.

What I also think would be highly entertaining is if on the ballots they did not list what party the candidates were a party of and straight-ticket voting was disabled. Force the populous to actually research the candidates. I would personally love a test where during voting time they have a huge sampling of people walk into the ballot booths. I would use criminal's names for the candidates and assign them a party. Then I would ask them all what party the voters were a part of to see just how many people voted based on nothing more than what party it said the candidate was a member of.
2013-02-22 11:11:19 AM
1 votes:
You people sadden me.  Liberal and Conservative are not mutually exclusive terms and you all seem to have fallen into the trap that they are.  Also, that your duty as a member of either "side" is to oppose vehemently anything the other side suggests.

The 2 party system is a by-design stranglehold to ensure that people think there are only 2 choices.  We keep electing 99.9% R's and D's and expecting things to change.  Both parties love that most of the American public is too focused on where they disagree to focus on the real areas of concern : those items on which R's and D's agree.
2013-02-22 10:36:37 AM
1 votes:
A paper on attending a Gay Pride Parade or being an atheist wouldn't raise any eyebrows at DHS. Lots of gay kids attend this school and there's a Gay-Straight Alliance chapter on campus. The location of this school makes it interesting. Denton is a university town and this campus is right next to UNT. Therefore the kids come from families that range from ultra conservative to super liberal. They actually all get along pretty well. (My sassy, gay, agnostic son attends & has grown up with many of these same kids his whole life)

My guess is that the teacher had Sandy Hook and other recent gun related events and debates in his thoughts when he made this decision, not some nefarious plan to forcibly indoctrinate this one student by punishing him for his paper topic. The teacher apologized and accepted the paper, so it seems the matter should have ended there IMHO.

A number of years ago, my husband taught English in this district at a different campus, further away the universities. He would limit paper topics because otherwise his every waking moment was taken up with grading writings on football, guns, abortion and/or Jesus. Believe me, the pay and benefits for teachers in Texas are not worth putting up with that all year. ;)

/a liberal mom & teacher's wife who loves Denton and DHS
2013-02-22 10:26:10 AM
1 votes:

alabasterblack: FTFA "I don't feel like I've gotten an apology yet. I feel like he has just stomped on our right to free speech. He told us we would not be allowed to express ourselves and didn't even consider what we had said.  He didn't have a clue of the content of my paper before he told me... he just knew that my paper was about guns before he told me that I would be getting a zero on the assignment," Marshall Williams said.

If I were to judge this kid on that statement, I would think he may not get a much higher than that which he was originally rewarded.


Don't make the mistake of judging a person's spontaneous spoken statement to a reporter with what they would write.

For example, I changed the above sentence a couple of times before I hit "Add Comment".  I generally use certain grammatically incorrect verbal affectations when I speak that I avoid in my written speech.
2013-02-22 09:28:02 AM
1 votes:

Thunderpipes: Liberals hate freedom of speech, news at 11:00.


No NO NO! WRONG! See, you have to nuance it. Freedom of speech is allowed, but "Hate Speech" is, for obvious reasons, NOT allowed. And liberals define what is speech and what is hate speech. Do you understand now? You'd better, or no desert for you!
2013-02-22 08:48:10 AM
1 votes:

RevMercutio: " I feel like he has just stomped on our right to free speech "

Yeah, being arrested and prosecuted for writing about guns must've been awful...

...Oh, wait. That didn't happen.

/the first amendment doesn't work that way, you farking moron.


Hey look, a moron who doesnt understand childhood development or the concept of a "slippery slope".

Indoctrinate them when they're young, they wont question you later, right?
2013-02-22 08:22:38 AM
1 votes:

EvilEgg: Somacandra: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: It's possible there's a little more to this story.

Usually if a certain topic is off-limits, the teacher would normally mention that beforehand so as to avoid problems like this.

It would depend.

I'm sure a paper about gunning down classmates would cause a stir. I don't think that needs to be mentioned beforehand.

Or a graphic depiction of an orgy you went to over the weekend would also be verboten.

These, of course, are hyperbole, but the kids should use some sense and avoid controversial topics.


I don't know, when I was in middle school we were told to write a story about anything we wanted, so I wrote a story about our teacher snapping in class and hacking everyone up with an axe, and she graded that one just fine. Of course, she also called my mom and asked how things were going at home. If a kid did that today, they're probably be arrested.
2013-02-22 08:14:58 AM
1 votes:

Jim_Callahan: 5monkeys: My public speaking professor was a far off the deep end liberal who stated over and over that your papers would not be graded on your opinion, but on the quality of your work and ability to speak in front of the class. Then she failed you if you didn't side with her. She even took it so far as to fail speeches you gave about benign things like cooking or sports if she knew you were a conservative. She was fired after my class. It would have been a lot easier to take her class if she had just said, "agree with me or get an f."

Weird, I always had the opposite going on.  Teachers in humanities that I'd get into arguments with were the ones that would typically give my slightly higher grades than I deserved.  Though on reflection that was probably more because arguing was an indicator that I was actually paying attention in a class that everyone else slept through, making it feel to the instructor like less of a waste of his own precious time.

//There was a graduation requirement at my alma mater that required everyone take three hours of what amounted to a socialist propaganda class.  Since it was a huge waste of everyone's time, I went out of my way to hijack the discussions and talk about other stuff instead just so I wouldn't fall asleep, or take devil's advocate positions on even relatively universal points.  The instructor and I ended up being about as close to friends as I ever got with faculty when I was an undergrad.


I had high hopes that she wanted a healthy debate to take place during class. As time went on it was clear that wasn't the case. I'm not really conservative, I am more middle of the road, but she ripped me apart ever class. I was even failed for my demonstration speech on massage because I "did it wrong". I am a massage therapist. She knows nothing of the subject and with no knowledge of the subject failed me. All the butthurt she had against a handful of us was due to a discussion we had where she stated that all heterosexual sex is rape. That women being physically inferior could not enjoy or agree to sex. I had the balls to say I liked sex and that many times women are in control when it comes to their sex life. After that it was F's for me and a few others. She went so far as to mock my religion, call me a traitor to women, and say I personally was the reason this country was screwed up.
It was a shame. I paid for a class that I really needed because I have a severe fear of speaking in public. Instead I walked away with a fear of nutbag professors. That was my first college class. Now I am a few years in and thank God that it was just her, not professors as a whole.
I have had professors since then that are more like what you encountered. They like debate as long as you argue your point well.
2013-02-22 07:57:44 AM
1 votes:

RevMercutio: " I feel like he has just stomped on our right to free speech "

Yeah, being arrested and prosecuted for writing about guns must've been awful...

...Oh, wait. That didn't happen.

/the first amendment doesn't work that way, you farking moron.


I'm sure you'd say exactly the same thing if the subject had been the student's attendance to a gay pride parade.
2013-02-22 07:50:25 AM
1 votes:

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: It would be one thing if the teacher got all indignant about it and make a fuss about how his word is law within the classroom


'My word is law', you mean like telling the kids to write about anything and then giving them an 0 if he doesn't like the subject ?
2013-02-22 07:35:01 AM
1 votes:

Krieghund: From TFA:The Denton Independent School District said in a statement, "The teacher has accepted the paper and apologized to the student for misperceptions. The teacher's intent was for guns not to be trivialized in any school situation because of recent events."


Yeah, because writing about using guns in a nonviolent way it trivializing guns.  Gun usage must be equated with murder of fellow citizens.  Heil!
2013-02-22 07:27:56 AM
1 votes:
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Mr. Van Driessen?
2013-02-22 07:20:38 AM
1 votes:

quickdraw: Not really no. It's one assignment in a podunk school in a podunk town. Who the fark cares.


It would be one thing if the teacher got all indignant about it and make a fuss about how his word is law within the classroom, but there wasn't anything even mildly interesting about this story. Teacher did something dumb. Teacher apologized. Locals made asses of themselves because somebody put a microphone in front of them.
2013-02-22 07:19:14 AM
1 votes:
Liberals hate freedom of speech, news at 11:00.
2013-02-22 07:17:12 AM
1 votes:
Guidelines should have been set beforehand.  Tell highschool me to write a paper on whatever I want, and I'm TRYING to come up with something off color.  "How to Dispose of a Body", "How to Make Crystal Meth", "Why ATM is the Pinnacle of Intimacy", "How to Train Your Dragon"...highschool kids like to push boundaries at every opportunity.  The fact that the kid did a report that wasn't even controversial for the geographic area (guns in texas = cheese steak in philly, its ubiquitous) just serves to prove the teacher is an idiot.
2013-02-22 07:08:51 AM
1 votes:
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2013-02-22 06:47:08 AM
1 votes:
Mother, student, and teacher all sound like fairly massive dipsh*ts.
2013-02-22 06:44:42 AM
1 votes:
Umm... Grade the paper on it's merits and refer the kid to the school counselor just to make sure he's not being bullied or anything. Most school shootings start with a kid that kept everything inside and just has a day of suicidal ideation.

I like gun shows because they embody that touch of capitalism in their fanaticism. And if it's wrong to praise capitalism and firearms in this county then I need to leave. I'm not a gun collector, but I'm an unashamed capitalist pig. Then again, the DA in this county has no trouble with convicting people for murder when there's zero evidence and the victim has a history of running off internationally.

/Why, yes there's a theater in Denton that regularly does midnight RHPS showings.
//At least last I checked.
2013-02-22 06:43:45 AM
1 votes:

drjekel_mrhyde: Big deal out of nothing


you have seen it here first folks.... this is precisely the attitude that causes the problems we are in now...

"eh, it's no big deal"

First, they came for the guns, but i didn't speak out because i didn't own one...
then they came for the kittens, and there was not a meow to be heard.
2013-02-22 03:23:05 AM
1 votes:
His mother called it blatant censorship based on personal moral beliefs.

"If it went against any district policy I would support it completely, but it doesn't. It's just his own moral beliefs trying to be put in his classroom and I disagree with that," Kimberly Williams said.


Texas mother decries blatant censorship, but would support it completely if it were institutional policy? That's logical, I guess.
2013-02-22 02:00:29 AM
1 votes:
Big deal out of nothing
2013-02-22 01:45:44 AM
1 votes:
Two amendments enter, one amendment leaves! Welcome to Tardertown!
2013-02-22 12:15:04 AM
1 votes:
It's possible there's a little more to this story.
 
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