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(My Fox Dallas)   High school teacher gives assignment for students to write paper on anything they want. But if you write about hunting or attending a gun show. YOU GET NOTHING Difficulty: TEXAS   (myfoxdfw.com ) divider line
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2013-02-22 02:41:19 PM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: His mother called it blatant censorship based on personal moral beliefs.

"If it went against any district policy I would support it completely, but it doesn't. It's just his own moral beliefs trying to be put in his classroom and I disagree with that," Kimberly Williams said.

Texas mother decries blatant censorship, but would support it completely if it were institutional policy? That's logical, I guess.


 Amusing isn't it, just how backwards people are.  (nope, that wasn't a question)

Anyway, she also mentions that this whole thing is a first amendment issue... which it would be, if it were institutional policy, but because it isn't, that doesn't apply and this woman clearly failed civics class.
 
2013-02-22 02:42:10 PM  
I completely trust the disgruntled parent's version of the story as to why her precious snowflake failed the assignment
 
2013-02-22 02:43:52 PM  

Somacandra: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: It's possible there's a little more to this story.

Usually if a certain topic is off-limits, the teacher would normally mention that beforehand so as to avoid problems like this.


Totally THIS!

Hell, I went to school in Louisiana and this was done in both High School AND college, mainly for Speech classes. There are just some topics too hot to touch, or most of the time, the teacher has heard it so many times the topic arguments become redundant (We were told this in my freshman speech class in college) because nothing new is presented.

/B.A in speech comm
 
2013-02-22 02:58:48 PM  

MythDragon: College professors have tiny penises. Not because they are nerds, but because they are liberals.


Wouldn't they be gun owners, then?
 
2013-02-22 03:00:14 PM  

Kahabut: Anyway, she also mentions that this whole thing is a first amendment issue... which it would be, if it were institutional policy, but because it isn't, that doesn't apply and this woman clearly failed civics class.


Teacher is a government employee.  Therefore, it is a First Amendment issue, because government employee was punishing student for speech that he didn't agree with.

Teacher subsequently backed down, because he knew he was wrong.

The right to free speech is more limited in a school setting, of course, but it's not completely gone.  This didn't fall into one of the exceptions to free speech.
 
2013-02-22 03:03:35 PM  
If you watch the full video on YouTube from the parent conference with the teacher, it's very obvious that this teacher gave the students zeroes solely because they mentioned guns. The teacher also admits that he did say they could write about anything--as in, no parameters. The teacher did have recent events on his mind, but since the students weren't talking about shooting up schools or people, but instead discussed going hunting and going to a gun show, this should have never been an issue.
While an apology was given, the teacher apologized for the misunderstanding only. That's not apologizing for your actions or for being wrong, but apologizing because you are being forced to by your bosses.

As a former Englisher teacher and a former teacher in Denton, it is embarrassing to see people like this English teacher still employed. They give other teachers bad reps. (And no, I wasn't fired--I moved out of state because Texas sucks.) I worry that this teacher is going to warp students into thinking that a) all teachers lie to push across an agenda b) all liberals are idiots like this teacher and c) education is a waste of time. Those aren't the sort of lessons a teacher should be teaching because then you end up with some of the Farkers here who think only in absolutes and stereotypes.

//is a liberal
//believes in the right to bear arms
//also believes in gun regulation, just like we regulate the operation of motor vehicles
 
2013-02-22 03:08:59 PM  
Ah, yes, here is the case I was thinking of:   Tinker v. Des Moines Independent Community School District

Basically, students have a right to free speech that doesn't fall into one of the regular exceptions to the First Amendment (fighting words, etc.) and that isn't obscene and doesn't materially disrupt the school.

Student was right, teacher was wrong, and in the end, it worked out correctly.
 
2013-02-22 03:24:55 PM  

kaonevar: //is a liberal
//believes in the right to bear arms
//also believes in gun regulation, just like we regulate the operation of motor vehicles


I'd *LOVE* that.

You know what that would mean?

1.  You could purchase any gun you wanted without a background check.

2. If you just wanted to use your gun on private property, you wouldn't need a license at all.

3. If you wanted to carry your gun in public, you'd need a license to do so.  This license would be granted to everyone who could pass a very basic written test and short range session (and of course who aren't disqualified from gun ownership).  Well over 90% of the people would pass that test the first time they take it.  The cost would be minimal, maybe $50 for a license good for 6 to 10 years.  It would be good in all 50 states and in every city, so if Nebraska issued you a carry license, New York City would recognize it as valid.

I'd *LOVE* that, because it would significantly loosen both my state and federal law,  but I suspect that isn't what you meant.
 
2013-02-22 03:44:16 PM  
Nope-- I meant had to have a license showing thorough background checks and training in weapons operations and safety to both purchase and operate said gun. Also, yearly checks of said weapon to ensure you are keeping it operating properly and still up to date yourself with its operation and safety. That was more the direction I was going, dittybopper.
 
2013-02-22 03:46:53 PM  

kaonevar: Nope-- I meant had to have a license showing thorough background checks and training in weapons operations and safety to both purchase and operate said gun. Also, yearly checks of said weapon to ensure you are keeping it operating properly and still up to date yourself with its operation and safety. That was more the direction I was going, dittybopper.


Yeah, just like everyone has to do with their licensed automobiles.  Every year.
 
2013-02-22 04:02:40 PM  

Molavian: MythDragon: College professors have tiny penises. Not because they are nerds, but because they are liberals.

Wouldn't they be gun owners, then?


No, because owning a gun makes your penis bigger.
For rifles it's an inch per barrel inch ratio.
Pistols are only worth 1/2 inch per barrel inch, unless you have a Desert Eagle, then it is 1.25 per barrel inch.

Shotguns work the opposite. You gain an inch for each inch under 16" of barrel length. But only for 12ga and heavier. 20ga actualy shrinks your penis, and if you get one too long, it can actualy give you a vagina.

However these results are not cumulative. It only goes by which type/length gives you the largest penis.
 
2013-02-22 04:29:53 PM  

kaonevar: Nope-- I meant had to have a license showing thorough background checks and training in weapons operations and safety to both purchase and operate said gun. Also, yearly checks of said weapon to ensure you are keeping it operating properly and still up to date yourself with its operation and safety. That was more the direction I was going, dittybopper.


You don't need a license to purchase a car.

You don't need a license to operate a car on private property.

You can get a driver's license at 16.  Hell, you can get a *PILOTS* license at 16.  Would you be amenable to 16 year olds getting a carry license?

Truth is, you want to treat guns much more strictly than we treat cars, so stop saying "treat them like cars".

If we truly treated guns like cars, it would be a significant improvement in my state (New York).  But you don't want that, so don't say that is what you want.

If I want to legally own a handgun in my state, I have to take a safety course that will cost $25 and are held only once a month.  Then I have to apply for the license just to *OWN* it, and that requires a rigorous background check for which I must pay a $91.50 fingerprint fee, and an application fee of some sort.  I have to supply at least 3 character references.  I have to be at least 21 years old, and it's almost certain that the license will be restricted to "Hunting and Target Shooting Only".  It will take upwards of 6 months for it to get approved.

Compare that to getting a driver's license here:  I pay the fee (a mere $65 dollars), take the written test, and take the practical test, and I have a valid license.  They check a computer system to make sure I haven't had my license taken away or suspended.  Doesn't take 6 months to get approved, doesn't require 'personal references', doesn't cost upwards of $200 to get (over $340 in NYC), and pretty much the only restrictions on it will be for stuff like corrective lenses.  Oh, and I don't have to bribe the judge with a huge campaign contribution if I want an "unrestricted" driver's license that allows me to drive on the highway.
 
2013-02-22 06:20:14 PM  
Thanks gja.  Mind if I ask why?
 
2013-02-22 06:30:35 PM  
He didn't censor it, he gave it a zero.

Big difference.
 
gja
2013-02-22 07:39:40 PM  

dittybopper: Thanks gja.  Mind if I ask why?


Making sense. Fellow ham.
 
2013-02-22 09:19:10 PM  

gja: dittybopper: Thanks gja.  Mind if I ask why?

Making sense. Fellow ham.


Thanks.  Favorited as a ham, along with the other 70-some odd ham farkers.  Keep an eye out for the next Fark QSO Party.
 
2013-02-22 09:22:06 PM  

BeSerious: He didn't censor it, he gave it a zero.

Big difference.


It's called "chilling effect".
 
2013-02-22 09:40:20 PM  

dittybopper: kaonevar: //is a liberal
//believes in the right to bear arms
//also believes in gun regulation, just like we regulate the operation of motor vehicles

I'd *LOVE* that.

You know what that would mean?

1.  You could purchase any gun you wanted without a background check.

2. If you just wanted to use your gun on private property, you wouldn't need a license at all.

3. If you wanted to carry your gun in public, you'd need a license to do so.  This license would be granted to everyone who could pass a very basic written test and short range session (and of course who aren't disqualified from gun ownership).  Well over 90% of the people would pass that test the first time they take it.  The cost would be minimal, maybe $50 for a license good for 6 to 10 years.  It would be good in all 50 states and in every city, so if Nebraska issued you a carry license, New York City would recognize it as valid.

I'd *LOVE* that, because it would significantly loosen both my state and federal law,  but I suspect that isn't what you meant.


That is kind of how it is here. I have a concealed permit myself (do not carry my gun but I do carry a weapon on me when in public). The course is a simple 4 hours lecture class with a short simple written test and a shot at the range. You pay $50 to $75 ($50 just for the course and you get your finger prints and send the papers in on your own . $75 they do both the course and the paper work. Just have to send it in). There is also a background check before issuing of your permit. With the permit, I no longer have to wait the time period for a purchased fire arm (State background check is on file). Permit is good for 7 years.
 
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