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2013-02-22 08:04:50 AM
My favorite was questions on a test (in English while we were reading Huckleberry Finn) that asked "In your opinion, what was the motivation for character A to do such and such".

When I get the test back, that answer is marked wrong. When I questioned the "wrongness" of my answer, the teacher listed what was wrong about my answer according to how she interpreted the passage. My reply was "You asked what MY opinion was, not yours, if you wanted me to tell you what YOUR opinion was, you should have specified that".

While you may disagree with my opinion, it cannot be wrong as my opinion is based on my observations of the situation and how my mind perceives it. My opinion could be steeped in herp with a large chaser of derp, but that doesn't make it wrong, only different from your perception of the situation.
 
2013-02-22 08:07:19 AM
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2013-02-22 08:10:16 AM
But then he said his English teacher told him he would get a zero on the assignment because of the topic.

There's an important lesson here for the student.

Adults in positions of authority rarely exercise good judgement, follow the law or exercise their authority fairly. They are often abitrary and capricious about their rules. They will not admit their mistakes or make apologies no matter how wrong they are, even if you prevail in a court of law, much less the court of public opinion.

In summary, most people in charge are dicks including this particular teacher, so get used to it.

/this teacher may have apologozed, but only because somebody with a  bigger dick made him do it; in his heart of hearts he still knows he did nothing wrong

/the mom sounds awesome
 
2013-02-22 08:10:33 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: If it was censorship on the individual level, it would still be censorship at the institutional level, but even worse. It would be like if she was appalled that a teacher would forbid a student reading the Bible, but would be vehemently agree with the district outright banning the Bible on school grounds. Just a weird couple of contradictory thoughts rolling around in that woman's head.


Nah..  If the teacher says "read a book, any book" and then gives a student an F because he read a bible, then that is wrong.  If the school district says " No religious books on school property " then that is ok, as the rules are defined.

The problem is that the teacher said "any book" and then gave an F based on subject matter, then argued that it wasn't an F based on the subject.  No rules were defined.
 
2013-02-22 08:10:50 AM
I got the impression that when writing in an English class it was more your spelling, syntax and general grammar that got you good marks, not brown nosing too the teacher's personal declinations.
 
2013-02-22 08:14:58 AM

Jim_Callahan: 5monkeys: My public speaking professor was a far off the deep end liberal who stated over and over that your papers would not be graded on your opinion, but on the quality of your work and ability to speak in front of the class. Then she failed you if you didn't side with her. She even took it so far as to fail speeches you gave about benign things like cooking or sports if she knew you were a conservative. She was fired after my class. It would have been a lot easier to take her class if she had just said, "agree with me or get an f."

Weird, I always had the opposite going on.  Teachers in humanities that I'd get into arguments with were the ones that would typically give my slightly higher grades than I deserved.  Though on reflection that was probably more because arguing was an indicator that I was actually paying attention in a class that everyone else slept through, making it feel to the instructor like less of a waste of his own precious time.

//There was a graduation requirement at my alma mater that required everyone take three hours of what amounted to a socialist propaganda class.  Since it was a huge waste of everyone's time, I went out of my way to hijack the discussions and talk about other stuff instead just so I wouldn't fall asleep, or take devil's advocate positions on even relatively universal points.  The instructor and I ended up being about as close to friends as I ever got with faculty when I was an undergrad.


I had high hopes that she wanted a healthy debate to take place during class. As time went on it was clear that wasn't the case. I'm not really conservative, I am more middle of the road, but she ripped me apart ever class. I was even failed for my demonstration speech on massage because I "did it wrong". I am a massage therapist. She knows nothing of the subject and with no knowledge of the subject failed me. All the butthurt she had against a handful of us was due to a discussion we had where she stated that all heterosexual sex is rape. That women being physically inferior could not enjoy or agree to sex. I had the balls to say I liked sex and that many times women are in control when it comes to their sex life. After that it was F's for me and a few others. She went so far as to mock my religion, call me a traitor to women, and say I personally was the reason this country was screwed up.
It was a shame. I paid for a class that I really needed because I have a severe fear of speaking in public. Instead I walked away with a fear of nutbag professors. That was my first college class. Now I am a few years in and thank God that it was just her, not professors as a whole.
I have had professors since then that are more like what you encountered. They like debate as long as you argue your point well.
 
2013-02-22 08:19:58 AM

kendelrio: My favorite was questions on a test (in English while we were reading Huckleberry Finn) that asked "In your opinion, what was the motivation for character A to do such and such".

When I get the test back, that answer is marked wrong. When I questioned the "wrongness" of my answer, the teacher listed what was wrong about my answer according to how she interpreted the passage. My reply was "You asked what MY opinion was, not yours, if you wanted me to tell you what YOUR opinion was, you should have specified that".

While you may disagree with my opinion, it cannot be wrong as my opinion is based on my observations of the situation and how my mind perceives it. My opinion could be steeped in herp with a large chaser of derp, but that doesn't make it wrong, only different from your perception of the situation.


I wanted to scream at a teacher that would ask stupid questions like "what was the author's intention in this passage?" I felt like screaming "drop dead and go to hell so you can ask the author whose been dead for a century and a half".
 
2013-02-22 08:21:47 AM

wambu: But then he said his English teacher told him he would get a zero on the assignment because of the topic.

There's an important lesson here for the student.

Adults in positions of authority rarely exercise good judgement, follow the law or exercise their authority fairly. They are often abitrary and capricious about their rules. They will not admit their mistakes or make apologies no matter how wrong they are, even if you prevail in a court of law, much less the court of public opinion.

In summary, most people in charge are dicks including this particular teacher, so get used to it.

/this teacher may have apologozed, but only because somebody with a  bigger dick made him do it; in his heart of hearts he still knows he did nothing wrong

/the mom sounds awesome


I tell my kids it is 16 year olds with whistles syndrome. When you make a 16 year old a badge checker at a beach they spend all day blowing their whistle proving how important and in charge they are. Some people never grow out of the power trip phase.
 
2013-02-22 08:22:38 AM

EvilEgg: Somacandra: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: It's possible there's a little more to this story.

Usually if a certain topic is off-limits, the teacher would normally mention that beforehand so as to avoid problems like this.

It would depend.

I'm sure a paper about gunning down classmates would cause a stir. I don't think that needs to be mentioned beforehand.

Or a graphic depiction of an orgy you went to over the weekend would also be verboten.

These, of course, are hyperbole, but the kids should use some sense and avoid controversial topics.


I don't know, when I was in middle school we were told to write a story about anything we wanted, so I wrote a story about our teacher snapping in class and hacking everyone up with an axe, and she graded that one just fine. Of course, she also called my mom and asked how things were going at home. If a kid did that today, they're probably be arrested.
 
2013-02-22 08:23:49 AM

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2013-02-22 08:24:54 AM

RevMercutio: " I feel like he has just stomped on our right to free speech "

Yeah, being arrested and prosecuted for writing about guns must've been awful...

...Oh, wait. That didn't happen.

/the first amendment doesn't work that way, you farking moron.


Came to vent similar outrage, leaving placated.

If I've learned anything from youtube, there's nobody more certain to not have a clue what their rights actually cover, than the one screaming "I KNOW MY RIGHTS" as they're being tazed by the cop who is letting them know they have the right to remain silent.
 
2013-02-22 08:25:55 AM

5monkeys: He did the work as specified by the teacher. If the teacher didn't want an essay with guns in it he should have said that when it was assigned. The student should not be punished because of the teachers personal beliefs. My public speaking professor was a far off the deep end liberal who stated over and over that your papers would not be graded on your opinion, but on the quality of your work and ability to speak in front of the class. Then she failed you if you didn't side with her. She even took it so far as to fail speeches you gave about benign things like cooking or sports if she knew you were a conservative. She was fired after my class. It would have been a lot easier to take her class if she had just said, "agree with me or get an f."


Heh, I had an English teacher at college who was exactly like that.  Luckily, I didn't start college until I was in my mid-20's because I had joined the Army at 18, so I knew how to handle crap like that.  I had her convinced I was psychic, or at a minimum a "sensitive" person, because I said "You own a dog, don't you?".  It's because she was wearing a dark skirt and she had dog hair all over it.  I should point out that by the time I took her class, I had very long hair, not having had it cut since I got out of the military.

Anyway, she assigned one of those "booby-trap" open ended papers.  I wrote a purely scientific paper on the possibility of extraterrestial life.  She steered me to some UFO references, but I ignored them and wrote a paper that, using the best information at the time I could find, basically cranked the numbers through the Drake Equation, and then using the size, shape, and number of stars in the galaxy, I came up with an "average distance between communicative intelligences" which as I recall was about 266 light years based on my middle-case numbers.

Because the subject was completely alien to her (pardon the pun), really all she could grade me on was the actual mechanics of my writing and my oral presentation to the class.  I used the chalk board a lot that day.   I got an A, but I bet if I had written a paper just as good from a grammar and stylistic point, but on, say, the ideological roots of gun ownership in America, I'd have gotten a worse grade.
 
2013-02-22 08:26:39 AM

Katolu: Krieghund: From TFA:The Denton Independent School District said in a statement, "The teacher has accepted the paper and apologized to the student for misperceptions. The teacher's intent was for guns not to be trivialized in any school situation because of recent events."

See, the teacher tried to mitigate a delicate subject, but crazy mom had to turn the derp to 12.


Her FEELINGS were hurt, and she demands an apology and a little bit of fame and a national talking point.  Is that too much to ask for hurt feelings?
 
2013-02-22 08:27:32 AM

kendelrio: My favorite was questions on a test (in English while we were reading Huckleberry Finn) that asked "In your opinion, what was the motivation for character A to do such and such".

When I get the test back, that answer is marked wrong. When I questioned the "wrongness" of my answer, the teacher listed what was wrong about my answer according to how she interpreted the passage. My reply was "You asked what MY opinion was, not yours, if you wanted me to tell you what YOUR opinion was, you should have specified that".

While you may disagree with my opinion, it cannot be wrong as my opinion is based on my observations of the situation and how my mind perceives it. My opinion could be steeped in herp with a large chaser of derp, but that doesn't make it wrong, only different from your perception of the situation.


My English professor asked us for our opinion on a character's motivation. I stated vanity. She told me I was wrong because "at her age (professor not character) she has learned not to care what people think of her." What?!
 
2013-02-22 08:29:29 AM
I can see how a paper like this could easily confuse a teacher now.

On the first hand, this is Denton, TX where everyone is a good, responsible God-fearing gun owner that would only ever responsibly use their firearms. Firearms are supposed to be the ultimate symbol of Freedom(TM) and therefore venerated.  You need to be vigilant and fearful that socialists are coming to take your guns right now, and by having guns you will prevent that.

On the other hand, everyone is supposed be be batshiat insane about guns in schools.  We need posses with random 'deputies' running around with AR15s on schools campuses because people are coming to kill all the kids right now.  Some may be kids, in the school right now.  So you need to watch out for any kids that does something suspicious, like play Call of Duty, or go hunting, or say that someone in their family once let them hold a gun.

But I have to say she got one part.  Fear.  If you are are living in fear of something and instilling that in the kids, you are doing it wrong.
 
2013-02-22 08:31:26 AM

xanadian: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: It's possible there's a little more to this story.

Well, let's see. FTFA: Her son said he wrote about going to the gun show because it was something he enjoyed, the paper didn't mention anything political about guns or even shooting guns.

See, there's the problem right there. It's Texas. You're supposed to extol the virtues of shooting guns, and the student didn't.

F----!!


My entire education was in Texas. I never knew anyone who was dying to write a paper on gun shows or hunting.

Stereotype much?
 
2013-02-22 08:32:24 AM

BigBooper: Father_Jack: gun shows are awesome.

not only because you get to buy amazing stuff, but because most of my fellow shooters make walmart shoppers look educated sophisticated and wealthy.

"Really sir? youre going to spend 3k on that K98 sniper but you havent bought yerself or your wife a new pair of shoes in 4 years. Are you sure your priorities are on straight?"

The gun show crowd does have its share of idiots, but there are some smart people too. Of course when I used to go, I hung out with the 1%er version of gun guys. Sure it was cool seeing and handling historical firearms, but I got tired of seeing and learning about things I would never be able to afford. Seriously, one trip the guys that I was traveling with counted out the value of what everyone had brought with them, and we ended up north of $250,000. Including a gun that was documented to have been at Little Bighorn. Me? I had scrimped and saved an entire year so that I could bring a thousand dollars.

Of course then I got married and had kids. Now I can't afford those trips. Or guns. Or entertainment beyond free internet porn.

/Wait. What was the topic?

 .


I love the selection of stuff at gun shows that even the biggest gun store wouldn't have. I've found some rare/odd guns for good prices there (Such has a Hi-standard model 10 for 300 bucks), and just got a good deal on a Luger recently. Plus it's just a great place to go and look and finger fark the gun since most of them are out for display. Most shops get tired of you touching their guns if you've played with more than 5, at shows you can touch all day long.

But the people....Goddamn. They make Walmart look classy. Now there are good people there. Law and safety conscious hunters, knowledgeable collectors, the Vietnam vet with cool (and possibly slightly embellished) stories, the occasional tight-shirted big tittied girl looking at the guns with mild disinterest as her boyfriend buys another AR-15.

But then you have the big fat-ass aisle blocker, the guy who has raised rancid body odor to an art form, the crazed guy with the scraggly beard who you hope doesn't get a gun, the parents who decide a gun show is the perfect place to let their 5 year old look at all the sharp-ass knives while they try and ram through the crowd with a double wide baby stroller, the 'gangstas' shopping for another hi-point because their last one got 'dropped in a river'. Damn there are some sketchy people there.
 
2013-02-22 08:35:00 AM

dittybopper: 5monkeys: He did the work as specified by the teacher. If the teacher didn't want an essay with guns in it he should have said that when it was assigned. The student should not be punished because of the teachers personal beliefs. My public speaking professor was a far off the deep end liberal who stated over and over that your papers would not be graded on your opinion, but on the quality of your work and ability to speak in front of the class. Then she failed you if you didn't side with her. She even took it so far as to fail speeches you gave about benign things like cooking or sports if she knew you were a conservative. She was fired after my class. It would have been a lot easier to take her class if she had just said, "agree with me or get an f."

Heh, I had an English teacher at college who was exactly like that.  Luckily, I didn't start college until I was in my mid-20's because I had joined the Army at 18, so I knew how to handle crap like that.  I had her convinced I was psychic, or at a minimum a "sensitive" person, because I said "You own a dog, don't you?".  It's because she was wearing a dark skirt and she had dog hair all over it.  I should point out that by the time I took her class, I had very long hair, not having had it cut since I got out of the military.

Anyway, she assigned one of those "booby-trap" open ended papers.  I wrote a purely scientific paper on the possibility of extraterrestial life.  She steered me to some UFO references, but I ignored them and wrote a paper that, using the best information at the time I could find, basically cranked the numbers through the Drake Equation, and then using the size, shape, and number of stars in the galaxy, I came up with an "average distance between communicative intelligences" which as I recall was about 266 light years based on my middle-case numbers.

Because the subject was completely alien to her (pardon the pun), really all she could grade me on was the actual mechanics of my writing and my oral presentation to the class.  I used the chalk board a lot that day.   I got an A, but I bet if I had written a paper just as good from a grammar and stylistic point, but on, say, the ideological roots of gun ownership in America, I'd have gotten a worse grade.


I am naive. I didn't realize that when she said I like debate she meant I like to fail people who don't agree with me. I tried to handle it the way you did after the fact, but it was too late. She freaked out on me for not being controversial enough. When I wouldn't pick a topic that we could argue about she would assign me one.

/love that you are psychic by spotting dog hair.
 
2013-02-22 08:35:52 AM
Subby attempts to come up with clever headline about a teacher acting like a dumbass without looking stupid. Difficulty: Troll.
 
2013-02-22 08:37:12 AM

ThunderPelvis: Mother, student, and teacher all sound like fairly massive dipsh*ts.


Don't forget submitter too.
 
2013-02-22 08:38:29 AM

5monkeys: Jim_Callahan: 5monkeys: My public speaking professor was a far off the deep end liberal who stated over and over that your papers would not be graded on your opinion, but on the quality of your work and ability to speak in front of the class. Then she failed you if you didn't side with her. She even took it so far as to fail speeches you gave about benign things like cooking or sports if she knew you were a conservative. She was fired after my class. It would have been a lot easier to take her class if she had just said, "agree with me or get an f."

Weird, I always had the opposite going on.  Teachers in humanities that I'd get into arguments with were the ones that would typically give my slightly higher grades than I deserved.  Though on reflection that was probably more because arguing was an indicator that I was actually paying attention in a class that everyone else slept through, making it feel to the instructor like less of a waste of his own precious time.

//There was a graduation requirement at my alma mater that required everyone take three hours of what amounted to a socialist propaganda class.  Since it was a huge waste of everyone's time, I went out of my way to hijack the discussions and talk about other stuff instead just so I wouldn't fall asleep, or take devil's advocate positions on even relatively universal points.  The instructor and I ended up being about as close to friends as I ever got with faculty when I was an undergrad.

I had high hopes that she wanted a healthy debate to take place during class. As time went on it was clear that wasn't the case. I'm not really conservative, I am more middle of the road, but she ripped me apart ever class. I was even failed for my demonstration speech on massage because I "did it wrong". I am a massage therapist. She knows nothing of the subject and with no knowledge of the subject failed me. All the butthurt she had against a handful of us was due to a discussion we had where she stated that all ...


I hope that prof was just a TA or someone still attempting to get their Ph.D. I went to a mid-size university for the liberal arts where undergrad classes were taught almost completely by people with their doctorates, and shiat like that wouldn't have even flown in the sociology department.
 
2013-02-22 08:39:56 AM

untaken_name: I don't know, when I was in middle school we were told to write a story about anything we wanted, so I wrote a story about our teacher snapping in class and hacking everyone up with an axe, and she graded that one just fine. Of course, she also called my mom and asked how things were going at home. If a kid did that today, they're probably be arrested.


Well, no.  See, you wrote the story about the *TEACHER* doing it.  If you wrote a story about a *STUDENT* doing it, that would have been different.

v011o.popscreen.com

It's such a fine line between clever and stupid.
 
2013-02-22 08:40:27 AM
Hey, Fox News.  There is such a thing as...

www.artscroll.com

Try looking for it.
 
2013-02-22 08:42:04 AM

5monkeys: It was a shame. I paid for a class that I really needed because I have a severe fear of speaking in public. Instead I walked away with a fear of nutbag professors


Seems like a net gain to me, as later on in life you'll be dealing a lot more with public speaking than college professors. Unless you are a hooker that caters exclusively to college professors, then you got the short end of the stick. Literally. College professors have tiny penises. Not because they are nerds, but because they are liberals.

/I didn't intend for this to be a troll....it just sort of developed that way as I started writing. All part of my creative process I suppose.
 
2013-02-22 08:42:06 AM

EvilEgg: Somacandra: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: It's possible there's a little more to this story.

Usually if a certain topic is off-limits, the teacher would normally mention that beforehand so as to avoid problems like this.

It would depend.

I'm sure a paper about gunning down classmates would cause a stir. I don't think that needs to be mentioned beforehand.

Or a graphic depiction of an orgy you went to over the weekend would also be verboten.

These, of course, are hyperbole, but the kids should use some sense and avoid controversial topics.


You're forgetting that high school students act like idiots most of the time. This leads to them writing about things like how to make a pipe or a gun show to look edgy and cool to everyone.
 
2013-02-22 08:42:11 AM
There's only one solution for everyone: cage fight.

Also, forget to let them out of the cage once the fight is over.
 
2013-02-22 08:45:10 AM
A high school level english teacher getting caught up on some logical gymnastics?  Say it ain't so.
 
2013-02-22 08:45:51 AM
You can write about anything? Like "The Link Between Ph Balance and Taste in the Ejaculate of Petite Asian Women"?
 
2013-02-22 08:47:07 AM

quickdraw: Farce-Side: highschool kids like to push boundaries at every opportunity.

No they don't. Not everyone is you and I'm guessing you still like to "push the boundaries."


I like how you think you can provide an accurate diagnosis of someone based on a single fark post. You're so smart.
 
2013-02-22 08:48:10 AM

RevMercutio: " I feel like he has just stomped on our right to free speech "

Yeah, being arrested and prosecuted for writing about guns must've been awful...

...Oh, wait. That didn't happen.

/the first amendment doesn't work that way, you farking moron.


Hey look, a moron who doesnt understand childhood development or the concept of a "slippery slope".

Indoctrinate them when they're young, they wont question you later, right?
 
2013-02-22 08:48:17 AM
Came for Rocky Horror.  It was pleasantly prompt.
 
2013-02-22 08:48:21 AM

Zeno-25: 5monkeys: Jim_Callahan: 5monkeys: My public speaking professor was a far off the deep end liberal who stated over and over that your papers would not be graded on your opinion, but on the quality of your work and ability to speak in front of the class. Then she failed you if you didn't side with her. She even took it so far as to fail speeches you gave about benign things like cooking or sports if she knew you were a conservative. She was fired after my class. It would have been a lot easier to take her class if she had just said, "agree with me or get an f."

Weird, I always had the opposite going on.  Teachers in humanities that I'd get into arguments with were the ones that would typically give my slightly higher grades than I deserved.  Though on reflection that was probably more because arguing was an indicator that I was actually paying attention in a class that everyone else slept through, making it feel to the instructor like less of a waste of his own precious time.

//There was a graduation requirement at my alma mater that required everyone take three hours of what amounted to a socialist propaganda class.  Since it was a huge waste of everyone's time, I went out of my way to hijack the discussions and talk about other stuff instead just so I wouldn't fall asleep, or take devil's advocate positions on even relatively universal points.  The instructor and I ended up being about as close to friends as I ever got with faculty when I was an undergrad.

I had high hopes that she wanted a healthy debate to take place during class. As time went on it was clear that wasn't the case. I'm not really conservative, I am more middle of the road, but she ripped me apart ever class. I was even failed for my demonstration speech on massage because I "did it wrong". I am a massage therapist. She knows nothing of the subject and with no knowledge of the subject failed me. All the butthurt she had against a handful of us was due to a discussion we had where she stated that all ...

I hope that prof was just a TA or someone still attempting to get their Ph.D. I went to a mid-size university for the liberal arts where undergrad classes were taught almost completely by people with their doctorates, and shiat like that wouldn't have even flown in the sociology department.


She was an off campus professor. It is community college, and I don't think that they care about quality or qualifications. I wish I could go to a better school, but money, time, and money won't allow that.
 
2013-02-22 08:52:03 AM
THESE are the relevant parts:

Marshall Williams said he and his classmates were told by Mr. Dewey Christian at Denton High School to write a report on anything that they were interested in using different types of sentence structures.  He chose to write about the Fort Worth gun show.

But then he said his English teacher told him he would get a zero on the assignment because of the topic.


So the teacher gets a hearty "fark you" for that. This isn't about guns or first amendment issues or the death of human liberty. This is simply about a teacher who lets his personal bias get in the way of his job.
 
2013-02-22 08:53:26 AM

MythDragon: 5monkeys: It was a shame. I paid for a class that I really needed because I have a severe fear of speaking in public. Instead I walked away with a fear of nutbag professors

Seems like a net gain to me, as later on in life you'll be dealing a lot more with public speaking than college professors. Unless you are a hooker that caters exclusively to college professors, then you got the short end of the stick. Literally. College professors have tiny penises. Not because they are nerds, but because they are liberals.

/I didn't intend for this to be a troll....it just sort of developed that way as I started writing. All part of my creative process I suppose.


I didn't learn to speak in public. The opposite happened. I am more nervous after the class then I was before it.

Not all of them have tiny penises. Lets be fair, some have cavernous vaginas.
 
2013-02-22 08:54:34 AM

drjekel_mrhyde: Big deal out of nothing


So...... based on what I see in your your profile, you would be A-OK with a teacher refusing to grade your kid's paper because it was about how much fun it was going to atheist meetups and listening to people bash the low hanging fruit?
 
2013-02-22 08:55:42 AM

kendelrio: My favorite was questions on a test (in English while we were reading Huckleberry Finn) that asked "In your opinion, what was the motivation for character A to do such and such".

When I get the test back, that answer is marked wrong. When I questioned the "wrongness" of my answer, the teacher listed what was wrong about my answer according to how she interpreted the passage. My reply was "You asked what MY opinion was, not yours, if you wanted me to tell you what YOUR opinion was, you should have specified that".

While you may disagree with my opinion, it cannot be wrong as my opinion is based on my observations of the situation and how my mind perceives it. My opinion could be steeped in herp with a large chaser of derp, but that doesn't make it wrong, only different from your perception of the situation.


Sorry, but while that may fly in a fark thread, it doesn't hold water in an academic essay. An "in your opinion" question means that a range of possible valid interpretations exists, but it does not mean that that range is infinite.

So "Huck's actions here were motivated by fear of his father" versus "Huck's actions here were motivated by his acceptance of southern society's belief in slavery as normative" is a valid set of alternate opinions. "Huck's actions here were motivated by fear of his father" versus "Huck's actions here were motivated by the chip that time-travelling marmosets implanted in his brain" is not.

(For the record, when I assign essays like that, I include some variant of "provide a well-reasons argument in support of your position" in the instructions)
 
2013-02-22 08:56:29 AM

sethen320: xanadian: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: It's possible there's a little more to this story.

Well, let's see. FTFA: Her son said he wrote about going to the gun show because it was something he enjoyed, the paper didn't mention anything political about guns or even shooting guns.

See, there's the problem right there. It's Texas. You're supposed to extol the virtues of shooting guns, and the student didn't.

F----!!

My entire education was in Texas. I never knew anyone who was dying to write a paper on gun shows or hunting.

Stereotype much?


Yall Texans kneed to
kook upkokane
wif bking soda
and sell it.

p.s. pppfffff
 
2013-02-22 08:57:17 AM

rvesco: Hey, Fox News.  There is such a thing as...



Try looking for it.


What could the other side be? I know I said write about anything, but it was implied that there were topics I wouldn't accept.
 
2013-02-22 09:01:32 AM

EvilEgg: Somacandra: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: It's possible there's a little more to this story.

Usually if a certain topic is off-limits, the teacher would normally mention that beforehand so as to avoid problems like this.

It would depend.

I'm sure a paper about gunning down classmates would cause a stir. I don't think that needs to be mentioned beforehand.

Or a graphic depiction of an orgy you went to over the weekend would also be verboten.

These, of course, are hyperbole, but the kids should use some sense and avoid controversial topics.


Yes, self-censorship is the preferred mode of action for good little Citizens. And then you take a pill to make it all better.

You may want to re-think your post. "Controversial" is a concept directly dependent on individual perceptions and mores. Is the kid supposed to be a mind reader?
 
2013-02-22 09:01:49 AM
Lost the scorecard.  Is this the same school district that arrests a kindergarten kid  for drawing a picture of a gun?

My teach refused to grade my report on the Ideal Clitoris, but mysteriously I was invited to the teachers' lounge for a special award.
 
2013-02-22 09:05:27 AM
This is one of those cases where there ought to be a Paul Harvey style "Rest of the Story" ending.
I propose this:
The teacher is called in and fired by the school board.
Teacher: But I didn't do anything wrong.
Board: But you did! You violated unwritten clause 18a in your contract. "Don't be stupid!"
 
2013-02-22 09:06:43 AM

BigBooper: drjekel_mrhyde: Big deal out of nothing

So you're saying that the teacher should be able to give a writing assignment without guidelines, and then should be able to reject a paper because it violates the non-existent guidelines? What if the student wrote about attending a gay pride parade, and the teacher decided to give the student a zero because of the topic. Would that be an issue?


I'm sure it would. See, it depends on whether your a liberal/"progressive," or anything else other than a liberal/"progressive."  The former get to change their minds based on the manufacturerd "nuance" of the situation. They do. It's a right. I think it's mentioned somewhere in the Constitution, Das Kapital, AND the Bible.
 
2013-02-22 09:08:13 AM

Marquis de Sod: sethen320: xanadian: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: It's possible there's a little more to this story.

Well, let's see. FTFA: Her son said he wrote about going to the gun show because it was something he enjoyed, the paper didn't mention anything political about guns or even shooting guns.

See, there's the problem right there. It's Texas. You're supposed to extol the virtues of shooting guns, and the student didn't.

F----!!

My entire education was in Texas. I never knew anyone who was dying to write a paper on gun shows or hunting.

Stereotype much?

Yall Texans kneed to
kook upkokane
wif bking soda
and sell it.

p.s. pppfffff


Your punctuation is horrible.

/I believe you meant "y'all".
:)
 
2013-02-22 09:09:47 AM

Katolu: Krieghund: From TFA:The Denton Independent School District said in a statement, "The teacher has accepted the paper and apologized to the student for misperceptions. The teacher's intent was for guns not to be trivialized in any school situation because of recent events."

See, the teacher tried to mitigate a delicate subject, but crazy mom had to turn the derp to 12.


Yep. It was the kid's fault for not reading the mind of the teacher. And it was the kid's and the parents' fault for not automatically knowing that the Right, Moral, and Correct stance on anything to do with Guns is to either avoid talking about it, or condemn it.  Perfectly clear to me.
 
2013-02-22 09:11:05 AM

ThunderPelvis: Mother, student, and teacher all sound like fairly massive dipsh*ts.


So support the teacher 'cause they're all bad.
 
2013-02-22 09:19:06 AM

5monkeys: He did the work as specified by the teacher. If the teacher didn't want an essay with guns in it he should have said that when it was assigned. The student should not be punished because of the teachers personal beliefs. My public speaking professor was a far off the deep end liberal who stated over and over that your papers would not be graded on your opinion, but on the quality of your work and ability to speak in front of the class. Then she failed you if you didn't side with her. She even took it so far as to fail speeches you gave about benign things like cooking or sports if she knew you were a conservative. She was fired after my class. It would have been a lot easier to take her class if she had just said, "agree with me or get an f."


Damn, that brings back memories..... I went to CSU Northridge back in 68-72. Even back then there were a jack-load of libbie professors. Even a few outright Marxists. You quickly learned to "toe the line," keep your thoughts to yourself, and spout the bullshiat right back at them. Great training for later in life and working in the corporate environment.
 
2013-02-22 09:20:34 AM

Marquis de Sod: sethen320: xanadian: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: It's possible there's a little more to this story.

Well, let's see. FTFA: Her son said he wrote about going to the gun show because it was something he enjoyed, the paper didn't mention anything political about guns or even shooting guns.

See, there's the problem right there. It's Texas. You're supposed to extol the virtues of shooting guns, and the student didn't.

F----!!

My entire education was in Texas. I never knew anyone who was dying to write a paper on gun shows or hunting.

Stereotype much?

Yall Texans kneed to
kook upkokane
wif bking soda
and sell it.

p.s. pppfffff


sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net
 
2013-02-22 09:20:40 AM
I'd write about this one time at FEMA camp when I had a gay abortion.
 
2013-02-22 09:20:52 AM

dittybopper: untaken_name: I don't know, when I was in middle school we were told to write a story about anything we wanted, so I wrote a story about our teacher snapping in class and hacking everyone up with an axe, and she graded that one just fine. Of course, she also called my mom and asked how things were going at home. If a kid did that today, they're probably be arrested.

Well, no.  See, you wrote the story about the *TEACHER* doing it.  If you wrote a story about a *STUDENT* doing it, that would have been different.

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It's such a fine line between clever and stupid.


i449.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-22 09:25:10 AM

quickdraw: BigBooper: drjekel_mrhyde: Big deal out of nothing

So you're saying that the teacher should be able to give a writing assignment without guidelines, and then should be able to reject a paper because it violates the non-existent guidelines? What if the student wrote about attending a gay pride parade, and the teacher decided to give the student a zero because of the topic. Would that be an issue?

Not really no. It's one assignment in a podunk school in a podunk town. Who the fark cares.


You would, if you were the parent, or the kid.

Well, maybe not. I see from your profile that you appear to be the personification of megalomania. So you would probably just think that the teacher was complimenting you.
 
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