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2013-02-22 12:00:45 AM
While I'm normally supportive of teachers as I come from a long line of teachers (dad, brother, grandmother, aunts, etc.), if the teacher just doesn't like the subject chosen, she should grade it.

Like President Obama's recent SOTU address where he called out "It deserves a vote," I paraphrase his call as "It deserves a grade."

/Good night all.
 
2013-02-22 12:15:04 AM
It's possible there's a little more to this story.
 
2013-02-22 12:24:16 AM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: It's possible there's a little more to this story.


Well, let's see. FTFA: Her son said he wrote about going to the gun show because it was something he enjoyed, the paper didn't mention anything political about guns or even shooting guns.

See, there's the problem right there. It's Texas. You're supposed to extol the virtues of shooting guns, and the student didn't.

F----!!
 
2013-02-22 01:14:03 AM
" I feel like he has just stomped on our right to free speech "

Yeah, being arrested and prosecuted for writing about guns must've been awful...

...Oh, wait. That didn't happen.

/the first amendment doesn't work that way, you farking moron.
 
2013-02-22 01:45:44 AM
Two amendments enter, one amendment leaves! Welcome to Tardertown!
 
2013-02-22 02:00:29 AM
Big deal out of nothing
 
2013-02-22 02:04:15 AM
From TFA:The Denton Independent School District said in a statement, "The teacher has accepted the paper and apologized to the student for misperceptions. The teacher's intent was for guns not to be trivialized in any school situation because of recent events."
 
2013-02-22 02:40:54 AM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: It's possible there's a little more to this story.


Usually if a certain topic is off-limits, the teacher would normally mention that beforehand so as to avoid problems like this.
 
2013-02-22 03:23:05 AM
His mother called it blatant censorship based on personal moral beliefs.

"If it went against any district policy I would support it completely, but it doesn't. It's just his own moral beliefs trying to be put in his classroom and I disagree with that," Kimberly Williams said.


Texas mother decries blatant censorship, but would support it completely if it were institutional policy? That's logical, I guess.
 
2013-02-22 06:31:46 AM
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2013-02-22 06:42:12 AM
Teachers being subjective arbitrary pricks? No. It never happens.
 
2013-02-22 06:42:15 AM

Somacandra: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: It's possible there's a little more to this story.

Usually if a certain topic is off-limits, the teacher would normally mention that beforehand so as to avoid problems like this.


It would depend.

I'm sure a paper about gunning down classmates would cause a stir. I don't think that needs to be mentioned beforehand.

Or a graphic depiction of an orgy you went to over the weekend would also be verboten.

These, of course, are hyperbole, but the kids should use some sense and avoid controversial topics.
 
2013-02-22 06:42:24 AM
That's pants-on-head retarded.  When I was in high school, we had an English assignment like this.  Give a presentation on how to do something.  Anything you want.  So one classmate did "How to make various pipes using household items".  We got the apple pipe, the can pipe, the soda bottle bong, and basic theory on what it takes to make a smoking device that could be applied when those specific items weren't available.  It was a very informative presentation which was the whole point of the assignment.  He was graded appropriately and the format was changed so future classes had to have their topics approved.  (I assume there was also a meeting with is parents.)  No vaginas got filled with sand.
 
2013-02-22 06:43:45 AM

drjekel_mrhyde: Big deal out of nothing


you have seen it here first folks.... this is precisely the attitude that causes the problems we are in now...

"eh, it's no big deal"

First, they came for the guns, but i didn't speak out because i didn't own one...
then they came for the kittens, and there was not a meow to be heard.
 
2013-02-22 06:44:12 AM

drjekel_mrhyde: Big deal out of nothing


So you're saying that the teacher should be able to give a writing assignment without guidelines, and then should be able to reject a paper because it violates the non-existent guidelines? What if the student wrote about attending a gay pride parade, and the teacher decided to give the student a zero because of the topic. Would that be an issue?
 
2013-02-22 06:44:41 AM

Krieghund: From TFA:The Denton Independent School District said in a statement, "The teacher has accepted the paper and apologized to the student for misperceptions. The teacher's intent was for guns not to be trivialized in any school situation because of recent events."


See, the teacher tried to mitigate a delicate subject, but crazy mom had to turn the derp to 12.
 
2013-02-22 06:44:42 AM
Umm... Grade the paper on it's merits and refer the kid to the school counselor just to make sure he's not being bullied or anything. Most school shootings start with a kid that kept everything inside and just has a day of suicidal ideation.

I like gun shows because they embody that touch of capitalism in their fanaticism. And if it's wrong to praise capitalism and firearms in this county then I need to leave. I'm not a gun collector, but I'm an unashamed capitalist pig. Then again, the DA in this county has no trouble with convicting people for murder when there's zero evidence and the victim has a history of running off internationally.

/Why, yes there's a theater in Denton that regularly does midnight RHPS showings.
//At least last I checked.
 
2013-02-22 06:47:08 AM
Mother, student, and teacher all sound like fairly massive dipsh*ts.
 
2013-02-22 06:49:43 AM

jtown: That's pants-on-head retarded.  When I was in high school, we had an English assignment like this.  Give a presentation on how to do something.  Anything you want.  So one classmate did "How to make various pipes using household items".  We got the apple pipe, the can pipe, the soda bottle bong, and basic theory on what it takes to make a smoking device that could be applied when those specific items weren't available.  It was a very informative presentation which was the whole point of the assignment.  He was graded appropriately and the format was changed so future classes had to have their topics approved.  (I assume there was also a meeting with is parents.)  No vaginas got filled with sand.


My art teacher let us make bongs in art class. He even fired the clay ones for us.

Of course now It's pretty clear to me that he was a stoner himself. But times were different then.
 
2013-02-22 06:53:40 AM
Many teachers are graduates of liberal universities and carry those liberal philosophies with them.

Democrats don't get burned at the stake in TX on the regs.
 
2013-02-22 06:54:36 AM
gun shows are awesome.

not only because you get to buy amazing stuff, but because most of my fellow shooters make walmart shoppers look educated sophisticated and wealthy.

"Really sir? youre going to spend 3k on that K98 sniper but you havent bought yerself or your wife a new pair of shoes in 4 years. Are you sure your priorities are on straight?"
 
2013-02-22 06:54:44 AM

BigBooper: jtown: That's pants-on-head retarded.  When I was in high school, we had an English assignment like this.  Give a presentation on how to do something.  Anything you want.  So one classmate did "How to make various pipes using household items".  We got the apple pipe, the can pipe, the soda bottle bong, and basic theory on what it takes to make a smoking device that could be applied when those specific items weren't available.  It was a very informative presentation which was the whole point of the assignment.  He was graded appropriately and the format was changed so future classes had to have their topics approved.  (I assume there was also a meeting with is parents.)  No vaginas got filled with sand.

My art teacher let us make bongs in art class. He even fired the clay ones for us.

Of course now It's pretty clear to me that he was a stoner himself. But times were different then.


pot..... it there anything it can't do?
 
2013-02-22 06:54:58 AM

wildcardjack: Grade the paper on it's merits and refer the kid to the school counselor just to make sure he's not being bullied or anything


Wait. What? Why? Apparently there was no hint of violence, or threats, or even firing a gun. According to TFA, the report was about the kids visit to a gun show.
 
2013-02-22 06:58:21 AM
Smitty, when you were in high school, did you learn the difference between periods and commas, and how to use each?

/up-too-late snark
 
2013-02-22 07:06:47 AM

Father_Jack: gun shows are awesome.

not only because you get to buy amazing stuff, but because most of my fellow shooters make walmart shoppers look educated sophisticated and wealthy.

"Really sir? youre going to spend 3k on that K98 sniper but you havent bought yerself or your wife a new pair of shoes in 4 years. Are you sure your priorities are on straight?"


The gun show crowd does have its share of idiots, but there are some smart people too. Of course when I used to go, I hung out with the 1%er version of gun guys. Sure it was cool seeing and handling historical firearms, but I got tired of seeing and learning about things I would never be able to afford. Seriously, one trip the guys that I was traveling with counted out the value of what everyone had brought with them, and we ended up north of $250,000. Including a gun that was documented to have been at Little Bighorn. Me? I had scrimped and saved an entire year so that I could bring a thousand dollars.

Of course then I got married and had kids. Now I can't afford those trips. Or guns. Or entertainment beyond free internet porn.

/Wait. What was the topic?

 .
 
2013-02-22 07:08:51 AM
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2013-02-22 07:12:44 AM
He did the work as specified by the teacher. If the teacher didn't want an essay with guns in it he should have said that when it was assigned. The student should not be punished because of the teachers personal beliefs. My public speaking professor was a far off the deep end liberal who stated over and over that your papers would not be graded on your opinion, but on the quality of your work and ability to speak in front of the class. Then she failed you if you didn't side with her. She even took it so far as to fail speeches you gave about benign things like cooking or sports if she knew you were a conservative. She was fired after my class. It would have been a lot easier to take her class if she had just said, "agree with me or get an f."
 
2013-02-22 07:15:10 AM

100 Watt Walrus: Smitty, when you were in high school, did you learn the difference between periods and commas, and how to use each?

/up-too-late snark


Hey ... a Walrus!
 
2013-02-22 07:15:10 AM
A Fox News story? The whole thing must be nothing more than an elaborate fabrication.
 
2013-02-22 07:15:55 AM

BigBooper: drjekel_mrhyde: Big deal out of nothing

So you're saying that the teacher should be able to give a writing assignment without guidelines, and then should be able to reject a paper because it violates the non-existent guidelines? What if the student wrote about attending a gay pride parade, and the teacher decided to give the student a zero because of the topic. Would that be an issue?


Not really no. It's one assignment in a podunk school in a podunk town. Who the fark cares.
 
2013-02-22 07:17:12 AM
Guidelines should have been set beforehand.  Tell highschool me to write a paper on whatever I want, and I'm TRYING to come up with something off color.  "How to Dispose of a Body", "How to Make Crystal Meth", "Why ATM is the Pinnacle of Intimacy", "How to Train Your Dragon"...highschool kids like to push boundaries at every opportunity.  The fact that the kid did a report that wasn't even controversial for the geographic area (guns in texas = cheese steak in philly, its ubiquitous) just serves to prove the teacher is an idiot.
 
2013-02-22 07:19:14 AM
Liberals hate freedom of speech, news at 11:00.
 
2013-02-22 07:20:18 AM

Farce-Side: highschool kids like to push boundaries at every opportunity.


No they don't. Not everyone is you and I'm guessing you still like to "push the boundaries."
 
2013-02-22 07:20:38 AM

quickdraw: Not really no. It's one assignment in a podunk school in a podunk town. Who the fark cares.


It would be one thing if the teacher got all indignant about it and make a fuss about how his word is law within the classroom, but there wasn't anything even mildly interesting about this story. Teacher did something dumb. Teacher apologized. Locals made asses of themselves because somebody put a microphone in front of them.
 
2013-02-22 07:21:37 AM

EvilEgg: Somacandra: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: It's possible there's a little more to this story.

Usually if a certain topic is off-limits, the teacher would normally mention that beforehand so as to avoid problems like this.

It would depend.

I'm sure a paper about gunning down classmates would cause a stir. I don't think that needs to be mentioned beforehand.

Or a graphic depiction of an orgy you went to over the weekend would also be verboten.

These, of course, are hyperbole, but the kids should use some sense and avoid controversial topics.


"If we spend all our time tapdancing around the feelings of others and their sensibility of shame we'll soon find ourselves without a voice at all..."

In other words, the teacher said anything, the stupid wrote something, and deserves a grade for that.  If the teacher didn't define what should be written on it's his own damn fault.


I just wonder if this would get the same attention if the kid wrote about... say... abortion or some other subject.  Everyone in the article (except maybe the kid) looks to be coming up dicks in this one.
 
2013-02-22 07:27:56 AM
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2013-02-22 07:28:05 AM
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2013-02-22 07:28:46 AM

AirForceVet: While I'm normally supportive of teachers as I come from a long line of teachers (dad, brother, grandmother, aunts, etc.), if the teacher just doesn't like the subject chosen, she should grade it.

Like President Obama's recent SOTU address where he called out "It deserves a vote," I paraphrase his call as "It deserves a grade."

/Good night all.


What probably happened was that the teacher said "no reports on guns, because I'm sick of reading about them."  Kid turns in a paper about guns, and she says "you don't follow instructions very well, do you?"  Kid decides to tell his mom, who then says "THEY'RE INFRINGING ON MAH RIGHTS!!!!!" and goes to the media.

\I limit my college students on their topics, too
\\otherwise, every paper will be about video games, prostitution, marijuana, or abortion
 
2013-02-22 07:28:57 AM
Typical liberal open minded and fair to all... as long as you agree with him.
 
2013-02-22 07:35:01 AM

Krieghund: From TFA:The Denton Independent School District said in a statement, "The teacher has accepted the paper and apologized to the student for misperceptions. The teacher's intent was for guns not to be trivialized in any school situation because of recent events."


Yeah, because writing about using guns in a nonviolent way it trivializing guns.  Gun usage must be equated with murder of fellow citizens.  Heil!
 
2013-02-22 07:35:28 AM

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2013-02-22 07:37:32 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: His mother called it blatant censorship based on personal moral beliefs.

"If it went against any district policy I would support it completely, but it doesn't. It's just his own moral beliefs trying to be put in his classroom and I disagree with that," Kimberly Williams said.

Texas mother decries blatant censorship, but would support it completely if it were institutional policy? That's logical, I guess.


Well that's what the rules are.   If you are given a spelling test, then it is best to write out the words.
You can't just write yourself a short story and demand credit or else you are being censored.
 
2013-02-22 07:45:12 AM

Nutsac_Jim: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: His mother called it blatant censorship based on personal moral beliefs.

"If it went against any district policy I would support it completely, but it doesn't. It's just his own moral beliefs trying to be put in his classroom and I disagree with that," Kimberly Williams said.

Texas mother decries blatant censorship, but would support it completely if it were institutional policy? That's logical, I guess.

Well that's what the rules are.   If you are given a spelling test, then it is best to write out the words.
You can't just write yourself a short story and demand credit or else you are being censored.


If it was censorship on the individual level, it would still be censorship at the institutional level, but even worse. It would be like if she was appalled that a teacher would forbid a student reading the Bible, but would be vehemently agree with the district outright banning the Bible on school grounds. Just a weird couple of contradictory thoughts rolling around in that woman's head.
 
2013-02-22 07:45:37 AM

quickdraw: Farce-Side: highschool kids like to push boundaries at every opportunity.

No they don't. Not everyone is you and I'm guessing you still like to "push the boundaries."


Hey, you don't know me, bro.  Step down off your high horse for a little while and maybe you'll catch a glimpse of reality here.  While you were sitting at home reading Pride and Prejudice, most American teenagers were pushing boundaries, and having a damn good time doing it.
 
2013-02-22 07:50:25 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: It would be one thing if the teacher got all indignant about it and make a fuss about how his word is law within the classroom


'My word is law', you mean like telling the kids to write about anything and then giving them an 0 if he doesn't like the subject ?
 
2013-02-22 07:51:44 AM

5monkeys: My public speaking professor was a far off the deep end liberal who stated over and over that your papers would not be graded on your opinion, but on the quality of your work and ability to speak in front of the class. Then she failed you if you didn't side with her. She even took it so far as to fail speeches you gave about benign things like cooking or sports if she knew you were a conservative. She was fired after my class. It would have been a lot easier to take her class if she had just said, "agree with me or get an f."


Weird, I always had the opposite going on.  Teachers in humanities that I'd get into arguments with were the ones that would typically give my slightly higher grades than I deserved.  Though on reflection that was probably more because arguing was an indicator that I was actually paying attention in a class that everyone else slept through, making it feel to the instructor like less of a waste of his own precious time.

//There was a graduation requirement at my alma mater that required everyone take three hours of what amounted to a socialist propaganda class.  Since it was a huge waste of everyone's time, I went out of my way to hijack the discussions and talk about other stuff instead just so I wouldn't fall asleep, or take devil's advocate positions on even relatively universal points.  The instructor and I ended up being about as close to friends as I ever got with faculty when I was an undergrad.
 
2013-02-22 07:57:44 AM

RevMercutio: " I feel like he has just stomped on our right to free speech "

Yeah, being arrested and prosecuted for writing about guns must've been awful...

...Oh, wait. That didn't happen.

/the first amendment doesn't work that way, you farking moron.


I'm sure you'd say exactly the same thing if the subject had been the student's attendance to a gay pride parade.
 
2013-02-22 07:58:54 AM

Father_Jack: "Really sir? youre going to spend 3k on that K98 sniper but you havent bought yerself or your wife a new pair of shoes in 4 years. Are you sure your priorities are on straight?"


$3,000 ??! Guy needs to go shop at Mitchell's Mausers if he wants a K98. 3k is way too much
 
2013-02-22 08:00:56 AM
The mother needs re-programming if she wants to live in a police state.
 
2013-02-22 08:04:23 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Nutsac_Jim: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: His mother called it blatant censorship based on personal moral beliefs.

"If it went against any district policy I would support it completely, but it doesn't. It's just his own moral beliefs trying to be put in his classroom and I disagree with that," Kimberly Williams said.

Texas mother decries blatant censorship, but would support it completely if it were institutional policy? That's logical, I guess.

Well that's what the rules are.   If you are given a spelling test, then it is best to write out the words.
You can't just write yourself a short story and demand credit or else you are being censored.

If it was censorship on the individual level, it would still be censorship at the institutional level, but even worse. It would be like if she was appalled that a teacher would forbid a student reading the Bible, but would be vehemently agree with the district outright banning the Bible on school grounds. Just a weird couple of contradictory thoughts rolling around in that woman's head.


Not really.  She complained about an unwritten rule to be followed.  The mother simply misused the term free speech.  She is complaining about being graded based on the subject matter, yet no qualifaction of the subject matter was given.

She is saying if there was written guidance somewhere, say, at the county, then she would be ok with the
subject matter limits.

Its not much difference than getting fired for having a bible on your desk.  If they dont tell you not to bring you religious books to work, and dont have a company handbook, then good luck not getting sued unless you are in a right to work state.
 
2013-02-22 08:04:50 AM
My favorite was questions on a test (in English while we were reading Huckleberry Finn) that asked "In your opinion, what was the motivation for character A to do such and such".

When I get the test back, that answer is marked wrong. When I questioned the "wrongness" of my answer, the teacher listed what was wrong about my answer according to how she interpreted the passage. My reply was "You asked what MY opinion was, not yours, if you wanted me to tell you what YOUR opinion was, you should have specified that".

While you may disagree with my opinion, it cannot be wrong as my opinion is based on my observations of the situation and how my mind perceives it. My opinion could be steeped in herp with a large chaser of derp, but that doesn't make it wrong, only different from your perception of the situation.
 
2013-02-22 08:07:19 AM
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2013-02-22 08:10:16 AM
But then he said his English teacher told him he would get a zero on the assignment because of the topic.

There's an important lesson here for the student.

Adults in positions of authority rarely exercise good judgement, follow the law or exercise their authority fairly. They are often abitrary and capricious about their rules. They will not admit their mistakes or make apologies no matter how wrong they are, even if you prevail in a court of law, much less the court of public opinion.

In summary, most people in charge are dicks including this particular teacher, so get used to it.

/this teacher may have apologozed, but only because somebody with a  bigger dick made him do it; in his heart of hearts he still knows he did nothing wrong

/the mom sounds awesome
 
2013-02-22 08:10:33 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: If it was censorship on the individual level, it would still be censorship at the institutional level, but even worse. It would be like if she was appalled that a teacher would forbid a student reading the Bible, but would be vehemently agree with the district outright banning the Bible on school grounds. Just a weird couple of contradictory thoughts rolling around in that woman's head.


Nah..  If the teacher says "read a book, any book" and then gives a student an F because he read a bible, then that is wrong.  If the school district says " No religious books on school property " then that is ok, as the rules are defined.

The problem is that the teacher said "any book" and then gave an F based on subject matter, then argued that it wasn't an F based on the subject.  No rules were defined.
 
2013-02-22 08:10:50 AM
I got the impression that when writing in an English class it was more your spelling, syntax and general grammar that got you good marks, not brown nosing too the teacher's personal declinations.
 
2013-02-22 08:14:58 AM

Jim_Callahan: 5monkeys: My public speaking professor was a far off the deep end liberal who stated over and over that your papers would not be graded on your opinion, but on the quality of your work and ability to speak in front of the class. Then she failed you if you didn't side with her. She even took it so far as to fail speeches you gave about benign things like cooking or sports if she knew you were a conservative. She was fired after my class. It would have been a lot easier to take her class if she had just said, "agree with me or get an f."

Weird, I always had the opposite going on.  Teachers in humanities that I'd get into arguments with were the ones that would typically give my slightly higher grades than I deserved.  Though on reflection that was probably more because arguing was an indicator that I was actually paying attention in a class that everyone else slept through, making it feel to the instructor like less of a waste of his own precious time.

//There was a graduation requirement at my alma mater that required everyone take three hours of what amounted to a socialist propaganda class.  Since it was a huge waste of everyone's time, I went out of my way to hijack the discussions and talk about other stuff instead just so I wouldn't fall asleep, or take devil's advocate positions on even relatively universal points.  The instructor and I ended up being about as close to friends as I ever got with faculty when I was an undergrad.


I had high hopes that she wanted a healthy debate to take place during class. As time went on it was clear that wasn't the case. I'm not really conservative, I am more middle of the road, but she ripped me apart ever class. I was even failed for my demonstration speech on massage because I "did it wrong". I am a massage therapist. She knows nothing of the subject and with no knowledge of the subject failed me. All the butthurt she had against a handful of us was due to a discussion we had where she stated that all heterosexual sex is rape. That women being physically inferior could not enjoy or agree to sex. I had the balls to say I liked sex and that many times women are in control when it comes to their sex life. After that it was F's for me and a few others. She went so far as to mock my religion, call me a traitor to women, and say I personally was the reason this country was screwed up.
It was a shame. I paid for a class that I really needed because I have a severe fear of speaking in public. Instead I walked away with a fear of nutbag professors. That was my first college class. Now I am a few years in and thank God that it was just her, not professors as a whole.
I have had professors since then that are more like what you encountered. They like debate as long as you argue your point well.
 
2013-02-22 08:19:58 AM

kendelrio: My favorite was questions on a test (in English while we were reading Huckleberry Finn) that asked "In your opinion, what was the motivation for character A to do such and such".

When I get the test back, that answer is marked wrong. When I questioned the "wrongness" of my answer, the teacher listed what was wrong about my answer according to how she interpreted the passage. My reply was "You asked what MY opinion was, not yours, if you wanted me to tell you what YOUR opinion was, you should have specified that".

While you may disagree with my opinion, it cannot be wrong as my opinion is based on my observations of the situation and how my mind perceives it. My opinion could be steeped in herp with a large chaser of derp, but that doesn't make it wrong, only different from your perception of the situation.


I wanted to scream at a teacher that would ask stupid questions like "what was the author's intention in this passage?" I felt like screaming "drop dead and go to hell so you can ask the author whose been dead for a century and a half".
 
2013-02-22 08:21:47 AM

wambu: But then he said his English teacher told him he would get a zero on the assignment because of the topic.

There's an important lesson here for the student.

Adults in positions of authority rarely exercise good judgement, follow the law or exercise their authority fairly. They are often abitrary and capricious about their rules. They will not admit their mistakes or make apologies no matter how wrong they are, even if you prevail in a court of law, much less the court of public opinion.

In summary, most people in charge are dicks including this particular teacher, so get used to it.

/this teacher may have apologozed, but only because somebody with a  bigger dick made him do it; in his heart of hearts he still knows he did nothing wrong

/the mom sounds awesome


I tell my kids it is 16 year olds with whistles syndrome. When you make a 16 year old a badge checker at a beach they spend all day blowing their whistle proving how important and in charge they are. Some people never grow out of the power trip phase.
 
2013-02-22 08:22:38 AM

EvilEgg: Somacandra: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: It's possible there's a little more to this story.

Usually if a certain topic is off-limits, the teacher would normally mention that beforehand so as to avoid problems like this.

It would depend.

I'm sure a paper about gunning down classmates would cause a stir. I don't think that needs to be mentioned beforehand.

Or a graphic depiction of an orgy you went to over the weekend would also be verboten.

These, of course, are hyperbole, but the kids should use some sense and avoid controversial topics.


I don't know, when I was in middle school we were told to write a story about anything we wanted, so I wrote a story about our teacher snapping in class and hacking everyone up with an axe, and she graded that one just fine. Of course, she also called my mom and asked how things were going at home. If a kid did that today, they're probably be arrested.
 
2013-02-22 08:23:49 AM

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2013-02-22 08:24:54 AM

RevMercutio: " I feel like he has just stomped on our right to free speech "

Yeah, being arrested and prosecuted for writing about guns must've been awful...

...Oh, wait. That didn't happen.

/the first amendment doesn't work that way, you farking moron.


Came to vent similar outrage, leaving placated.

If I've learned anything from youtube, there's nobody more certain to not have a clue what their rights actually cover, than the one screaming "I KNOW MY RIGHTS" as they're being tazed by the cop who is letting them know they have the right to remain silent.
 
2013-02-22 08:25:55 AM

5monkeys: He did the work as specified by the teacher. If the teacher didn't want an essay with guns in it he should have said that when it was assigned. The student should not be punished because of the teachers personal beliefs. My public speaking professor was a far off the deep end liberal who stated over and over that your papers would not be graded on your opinion, but on the quality of your work and ability to speak in front of the class. Then she failed you if you didn't side with her. She even took it so far as to fail speeches you gave about benign things like cooking or sports if she knew you were a conservative. She was fired after my class. It would have been a lot easier to take her class if she had just said, "agree with me or get an f."


Heh, I had an English teacher at college who was exactly like that.  Luckily, I didn't start college until I was in my mid-20's because I had joined the Army at 18, so I knew how to handle crap like that.  I had her convinced I was psychic, or at a minimum a "sensitive" person, because I said "You own a dog, don't you?".  It's because she was wearing a dark skirt and she had dog hair all over it.  I should point out that by the time I took her class, I had very long hair, not having had it cut since I got out of the military.

Anyway, she assigned one of those "booby-trap" open ended papers.  I wrote a purely scientific paper on the possibility of extraterrestial life.  She steered me to some UFO references, but I ignored them and wrote a paper that, using the best information at the time I could find, basically cranked the numbers through the Drake Equation, and then using the size, shape, and number of stars in the galaxy, I came up with an "average distance between communicative intelligences" which as I recall was about 266 light years based on my middle-case numbers.

Because the subject was completely alien to her (pardon the pun), really all she could grade me on was the actual mechanics of my writing and my oral presentation to the class.  I used the chalk board a lot that day.   I got an A, but I bet if I had written a paper just as good from a grammar and stylistic point, but on, say, the ideological roots of gun ownership in America, I'd have gotten a worse grade.
 
2013-02-22 08:26:39 AM

Katolu: Krieghund: From TFA:The Denton Independent School District said in a statement, "The teacher has accepted the paper and apologized to the student for misperceptions. The teacher's intent was for guns not to be trivialized in any school situation because of recent events."

See, the teacher tried to mitigate a delicate subject, but crazy mom had to turn the derp to 12.


Her FEELINGS were hurt, and she demands an apology and a little bit of fame and a national talking point.  Is that too much to ask for hurt feelings?
 
2013-02-22 08:27:32 AM

kendelrio: My favorite was questions on a test (in English while we were reading Huckleberry Finn) that asked "In your opinion, what was the motivation for character A to do such and such".

When I get the test back, that answer is marked wrong. When I questioned the "wrongness" of my answer, the teacher listed what was wrong about my answer according to how she interpreted the passage. My reply was "You asked what MY opinion was, not yours, if you wanted me to tell you what YOUR opinion was, you should have specified that".

While you may disagree with my opinion, it cannot be wrong as my opinion is based on my observations of the situation and how my mind perceives it. My opinion could be steeped in herp with a large chaser of derp, but that doesn't make it wrong, only different from your perception of the situation.


My English professor asked us for our opinion on a character's motivation. I stated vanity. She told me I was wrong because "at her age (professor not character) she has learned not to care what people think of her." What?!
 
2013-02-22 08:29:29 AM
I can see how a paper like this could easily confuse a teacher now.

On the first hand, this is Denton, TX where everyone is a good, responsible God-fearing gun owner that would only ever responsibly use their firearms. Firearms are supposed to be the ultimate symbol of Freedom(TM) and therefore venerated.  You need to be vigilant and fearful that socialists are coming to take your guns right now, and by having guns you will prevent that.

On the other hand, everyone is supposed be be batshiat insane about guns in schools.  We need posses with random 'deputies' running around with AR15s on schools campuses because people are coming to kill all the kids right now.  Some may be kids, in the school right now.  So you need to watch out for any kids that does something suspicious, like play Call of Duty, or go hunting, or say that someone in their family once let them hold a gun.

But I have to say she got one part.  Fear.  If you are are living in fear of something and instilling that in the kids, you are doing it wrong.
 
2013-02-22 08:31:26 AM

xanadian: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: It's possible there's a little more to this story.

Well, let's see. FTFA: Her son said he wrote about going to the gun show because it was something he enjoyed, the paper didn't mention anything political about guns or even shooting guns.

See, there's the problem right there. It's Texas. You're supposed to extol the virtues of shooting guns, and the student didn't.

F----!!


My entire education was in Texas. I never knew anyone who was dying to write a paper on gun shows or hunting.

Stereotype much?
 
2013-02-22 08:32:24 AM

BigBooper: Father_Jack: gun shows are awesome.

not only because you get to buy amazing stuff, but because most of my fellow shooters make walmart shoppers look educated sophisticated and wealthy.

"Really sir? youre going to spend 3k on that K98 sniper but you havent bought yerself or your wife a new pair of shoes in 4 years. Are you sure your priorities are on straight?"

The gun show crowd does have its share of idiots, but there are some smart people too. Of course when I used to go, I hung out with the 1%er version of gun guys. Sure it was cool seeing and handling historical firearms, but I got tired of seeing and learning about things I would never be able to afford. Seriously, one trip the guys that I was traveling with counted out the value of what everyone had brought with them, and we ended up north of $250,000. Including a gun that was documented to have been at Little Bighorn. Me? I had scrimped and saved an entire year so that I could bring a thousand dollars.

Of course then I got married and had kids. Now I can't afford those trips. Or guns. Or entertainment beyond free internet porn.

/Wait. What was the topic?

 .


I love the selection of stuff at gun shows that even the biggest gun store wouldn't have. I've found some rare/odd guns for good prices there (Such has a Hi-standard model 10 for 300 bucks), and just got a good deal on a Luger recently. Plus it's just a great place to go and look and finger fark the gun since most of them are out for display. Most shops get tired of you touching their guns if you've played with more than 5, at shows you can touch all day long.

But the people....Goddamn. They make Walmart look classy. Now there are good people there. Law and safety conscious hunters, knowledgeable collectors, the Vietnam vet with cool (and possibly slightly embellished) stories, the occasional tight-shirted big tittied girl looking at the guns with mild disinterest as her boyfriend buys another AR-15.

But then you have the big fat-ass aisle blocker, the guy who has raised rancid body odor to an art form, the crazed guy with the scraggly beard who you hope doesn't get a gun, the parents who decide a gun show is the perfect place to let their 5 year old look at all the sharp-ass knives while they try and ram through the crowd with a double wide baby stroller, the 'gangstas' shopping for another hi-point because their last one got 'dropped in a river'. Damn there are some sketchy people there.
 
2013-02-22 08:35:00 AM

dittybopper: 5monkeys: He did the work as specified by the teacher. If the teacher didn't want an essay with guns in it he should have said that when it was assigned. The student should not be punished because of the teachers personal beliefs. My public speaking professor was a far off the deep end liberal who stated over and over that your papers would not be graded on your opinion, but on the quality of your work and ability to speak in front of the class. Then she failed you if you didn't side with her. She even took it so far as to fail speeches you gave about benign things like cooking or sports if she knew you were a conservative. She was fired after my class. It would have been a lot easier to take her class if she had just said, "agree with me or get an f."

Heh, I had an English teacher at college who was exactly like that.  Luckily, I didn't start college until I was in my mid-20's because I had joined the Army at 18, so I knew how to handle crap like that.  I had her convinced I was psychic, or at a minimum a "sensitive" person, because I said "You own a dog, don't you?".  It's because she was wearing a dark skirt and she had dog hair all over it.  I should point out that by the time I took her class, I had very long hair, not having had it cut since I got out of the military.

Anyway, she assigned one of those "booby-trap" open ended papers.  I wrote a purely scientific paper on the possibility of extraterrestial life.  She steered me to some UFO references, but I ignored them and wrote a paper that, using the best information at the time I could find, basically cranked the numbers through the Drake Equation, and then using the size, shape, and number of stars in the galaxy, I came up with an "average distance between communicative intelligences" which as I recall was about 266 light years based on my middle-case numbers.

Because the subject was completely alien to her (pardon the pun), really all she could grade me on was the actual mechanics of my writing and my oral presentation to the class.  I used the chalk board a lot that day.   I got an A, but I bet if I had written a paper just as good from a grammar and stylistic point, but on, say, the ideological roots of gun ownership in America, I'd have gotten a worse grade.


I am naive. I didn't realize that when she said I like debate she meant I like to fail people who don't agree with me. I tried to handle it the way you did after the fact, but it was too late. She freaked out on me for not being controversial enough. When I wouldn't pick a topic that we could argue about she would assign me one.

/love that you are psychic by spotting dog hair.
 
2013-02-22 08:35:52 AM
Subby attempts to come up with clever headline about a teacher acting like a dumbass without looking stupid. Difficulty: Troll.
 
2013-02-22 08:37:12 AM

ThunderPelvis: Mother, student, and teacher all sound like fairly massive dipsh*ts.


Don't forget submitter too.
 
2013-02-22 08:38:29 AM

5monkeys: Jim_Callahan: 5monkeys: My public speaking professor was a far off the deep end liberal who stated over and over that your papers would not be graded on your opinion, but on the quality of your work and ability to speak in front of the class. Then she failed you if you didn't side with her. She even took it so far as to fail speeches you gave about benign things like cooking or sports if she knew you were a conservative. She was fired after my class. It would have been a lot easier to take her class if she had just said, "agree with me or get an f."

Weird, I always had the opposite going on.  Teachers in humanities that I'd get into arguments with were the ones that would typically give my slightly higher grades than I deserved.  Though on reflection that was probably more because arguing was an indicator that I was actually paying attention in a class that everyone else slept through, making it feel to the instructor like less of a waste of his own precious time.

//There was a graduation requirement at my alma mater that required everyone take three hours of what amounted to a socialist propaganda class.  Since it was a huge waste of everyone's time, I went out of my way to hijack the discussions and talk about other stuff instead just so I wouldn't fall asleep, or take devil's advocate positions on even relatively universal points.  The instructor and I ended up being about as close to friends as I ever got with faculty when I was an undergrad.

I had high hopes that she wanted a healthy debate to take place during class. As time went on it was clear that wasn't the case. I'm not really conservative, I am more middle of the road, but she ripped me apart ever class. I was even failed for my demonstration speech on massage because I "did it wrong". I am a massage therapist. She knows nothing of the subject and with no knowledge of the subject failed me. All the butthurt she had against a handful of us was due to a discussion we had where she stated that all ...


I hope that prof was just a TA or someone still attempting to get their Ph.D. I went to a mid-size university for the liberal arts where undergrad classes were taught almost completely by people with their doctorates, and shiat like that wouldn't have even flown in the sociology department.
 
2013-02-22 08:39:56 AM

untaken_name: I don't know, when I was in middle school we were told to write a story about anything we wanted, so I wrote a story about our teacher snapping in class and hacking everyone up with an axe, and she graded that one just fine. Of course, she also called my mom and asked how things were going at home. If a kid did that today, they're probably be arrested.


Well, no.  See, you wrote the story about the *TEACHER* doing it.  If you wrote a story about a *STUDENT* doing it, that would have been different.

v011o.popscreen.com

It's such a fine line between clever and stupid.
 
2013-02-22 08:40:27 AM
Hey, Fox News.  There is such a thing as...

www.artscroll.com

Try looking for it.
 
2013-02-22 08:42:04 AM

5monkeys: It was a shame. I paid for a class that I really needed because I have a severe fear of speaking in public. Instead I walked away with a fear of nutbag professors


Seems like a net gain to me, as later on in life you'll be dealing a lot more with public speaking than college professors. Unless you are a hooker that caters exclusively to college professors, then you got the short end of the stick. Literally. College professors have tiny penises. Not because they are nerds, but because they are liberals.

/I didn't intend for this to be a troll....it just sort of developed that way as I started writing. All part of my creative process I suppose.
 
2013-02-22 08:42:06 AM

EvilEgg: Somacandra: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: It's possible there's a little more to this story.

Usually if a certain topic is off-limits, the teacher would normally mention that beforehand so as to avoid problems like this.

It would depend.

I'm sure a paper about gunning down classmates would cause a stir. I don't think that needs to be mentioned beforehand.

Or a graphic depiction of an orgy you went to over the weekend would also be verboten.

These, of course, are hyperbole, but the kids should use some sense and avoid controversial topics.


You're forgetting that high school students act like idiots most of the time. This leads to them writing about things like how to make a pipe or a gun show to look edgy and cool to everyone.
 
2013-02-22 08:42:11 AM
There's only one solution for everyone: cage fight.

Also, forget to let them out of the cage once the fight is over.
 
2013-02-22 08:45:10 AM
A high school level english teacher getting caught up on some logical gymnastics?  Say it ain't so.
 
2013-02-22 08:45:51 AM
You can write about anything? Like "The Link Between Ph Balance and Taste in the Ejaculate of Petite Asian Women"?
 
2013-02-22 08:47:07 AM

quickdraw: Farce-Side: highschool kids like to push boundaries at every opportunity.

No they don't. Not everyone is you and I'm guessing you still like to "push the boundaries."


I like how you think you can provide an accurate diagnosis of someone based on a single fark post. You're so smart.
 
2013-02-22 08:48:10 AM

RevMercutio: " I feel like he has just stomped on our right to free speech "

Yeah, being arrested and prosecuted for writing about guns must've been awful...

...Oh, wait. That didn't happen.

/the first amendment doesn't work that way, you farking moron.


Hey look, a moron who doesnt understand childhood development or the concept of a "slippery slope".

Indoctrinate them when they're young, they wont question you later, right?
 
2013-02-22 08:48:17 AM
Came for Rocky Horror.  It was pleasantly prompt.
 
2013-02-22 08:48:21 AM

Zeno-25: 5monkeys: Jim_Callahan: 5monkeys: My public speaking professor was a far off the deep end liberal who stated over and over that your papers would not be graded on your opinion, but on the quality of your work and ability to speak in front of the class. Then she failed you if you didn't side with her. She even took it so far as to fail speeches you gave about benign things like cooking or sports if she knew you were a conservative. She was fired after my class. It would have been a lot easier to take her class if she had just said, "agree with me or get an f."

Weird, I always had the opposite going on.  Teachers in humanities that I'd get into arguments with were the ones that would typically give my slightly higher grades than I deserved.  Though on reflection that was probably more because arguing was an indicator that I was actually paying attention in a class that everyone else slept through, making it feel to the instructor like less of a waste of his own precious time.

//There was a graduation requirement at my alma mater that required everyone take three hours of what amounted to a socialist propaganda class.  Since it was a huge waste of everyone's time, I went out of my way to hijack the discussions and talk about other stuff instead just so I wouldn't fall asleep, or take devil's advocate positions on even relatively universal points.  The instructor and I ended up being about as close to friends as I ever got with faculty when I was an undergrad.

I had high hopes that she wanted a healthy debate to take place during class. As time went on it was clear that wasn't the case. I'm not really conservative, I am more middle of the road, but she ripped me apart ever class. I was even failed for my demonstration speech on massage because I "did it wrong". I am a massage therapist. She knows nothing of the subject and with no knowledge of the subject failed me. All the butthurt she had against a handful of us was due to a discussion we had where she stated that all ...

I hope that prof was just a TA or someone still attempting to get their Ph.D. I went to a mid-size university for the liberal arts where undergrad classes were taught almost completely by people with their doctorates, and shiat like that wouldn't have even flown in the sociology department.


She was an off campus professor. It is community college, and I don't think that they care about quality or qualifications. I wish I could go to a better school, but money, time, and money won't allow that.
 
2013-02-22 08:52:03 AM
THESE are the relevant parts:

Marshall Williams said he and his classmates were told by Mr. Dewey Christian at Denton High School to write a report on anything that they were interested in using different types of sentence structures.  He chose to write about the Fort Worth gun show.

But then he said his English teacher told him he would get a zero on the assignment because of the topic.


So the teacher gets a hearty "fark you" for that. This isn't about guns or first amendment issues or the death of human liberty. This is simply about a teacher who lets his personal bias get in the way of his job.
 
2013-02-22 08:53:26 AM

MythDragon: 5monkeys: It was a shame. I paid for a class that I really needed because I have a severe fear of speaking in public. Instead I walked away with a fear of nutbag professors

Seems like a net gain to me, as later on in life you'll be dealing a lot more with public speaking than college professors. Unless you are a hooker that caters exclusively to college professors, then you got the short end of the stick. Literally. College professors have tiny penises. Not because they are nerds, but because they are liberals.

/I didn't intend for this to be a troll....it just sort of developed that way as I started writing. All part of my creative process I suppose.


I didn't learn to speak in public. The opposite happened. I am more nervous after the class then I was before it.

Not all of them have tiny penises. Lets be fair, some have cavernous vaginas.
 
2013-02-22 08:54:34 AM

drjekel_mrhyde: Big deal out of nothing


So...... based on what I see in your your profile, you would be A-OK with a teacher refusing to grade your kid's paper because it was about how much fun it was going to atheist meetups and listening to people bash the low hanging fruit?
 
2013-02-22 08:55:42 AM

kendelrio: My favorite was questions on a test (in English while we were reading Huckleberry Finn) that asked "In your opinion, what was the motivation for character A to do such and such".

When I get the test back, that answer is marked wrong. When I questioned the "wrongness" of my answer, the teacher listed what was wrong about my answer according to how she interpreted the passage. My reply was "You asked what MY opinion was, not yours, if you wanted me to tell you what YOUR opinion was, you should have specified that".

While you may disagree with my opinion, it cannot be wrong as my opinion is based on my observations of the situation and how my mind perceives it. My opinion could be steeped in herp with a large chaser of derp, but that doesn't make it wrong, only different from your perception of the situation.


Sorry, but while that may fly in a fark thread, it doesn't hold water in an academic essay. An "in your opinion" question means that a range of possible valid interpretations exists, but it does not mean that that range is infinite.

So "Huck's actions here were motivated by fear of his father" versus "Huck's actions here were motivated by his acceptance of southern society's belief in slavery as normative" is a valid set of alternate opinions. "Huck's actions here were motivated by fear of his father" versus "Huck's actions here were motivated by the chip that time-travelling marmosets implanted in his brain" is not.

(For the record, when I assign essays like that, I include some variant of "provide a well-reasons argument in support of your position" in the instructions)
 
2013-02-22 08:56:29 AM

sethen320: xanadian: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: It's possible there's a little more to this story.

Well, let's see. FTFA: Her son said he wrote about going to the gun show because it was something he enjoyed, the paper didn't mention anything political about guns or even shooting guns.

See, there's the problem right there. It's Texas. You're supposed to extol the virtues of shooting guns, and the student didn't.

F----!!

My entire education was in Texas. I never knew anyone who was dying to write a paper on gun shows or hunting.

Stereotype much?


Yall Texans kneed to
kook upkokane
wif bking soda
and sell it.

p.s. pppfffff
 
2013-02-22 08:57:17 AM

rvesco: Hey, Fox News.  There is such a thing as...



Try looking for it.


What could the other side be? I know I said write about anything, but it was implied that there were topics I wouldn't accept.
 
2013-02-22 09:01:32 AM

EvilEgg: Somacandra: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: It's possible there's a little more to this story.

Usually if a certain topic is off-limits, the teacher would normally mention that beforehand so as to avoid problems like this.

It would depend.

I'm sure a paper about gunning down classmates would cause a stir. I don't think that needs to be mentioned beforehand.

Or a graphic depiction of an orgy you went to over the weekend would also be verboten.

These, of course, are hyperbole, but the kids should use some sense and avoid controversial topics.


Yes, self-censorship is the preferred mode of action for good little Citizens. And then you take a pill to make it all better.

You may want to re-think your post. "Controversial" is a concept directly dependent on individual perceptions and mores. Is the kid supposed to be a mind reader?
 
2013-02-22 09:01:49 AM
Lost the scorecard.  Is this the same school district that arrests a kindergarten kid  for drawing a picture of a gun?

My teach refused to grade my report on the Ideal Clitoris, but mysteriously I was invited to the teachers' lounge for a special award.
 
2013-02-22 09:05:27 AM
This is one of those cases where there ought to be a Paul Harvey style "Rest of the Story" ending.
I propose this:
The teacher is called in and fired by the school board.
Teacher: But I didn't do anything wrong.
Board: But you did! You violated unwritten clause 18a in your contract. "Don't be stupid!"
 
2013-02-22 09:06:43 AM

BigBooper: drjekel_mrhyde: Big deal out of nothing

So you're saying that the teacher should be able to give a writing assignment without guidelines, and then should be able to reject a paper because it violates the non-existent guidelines? What if the student wrote about attending a gay pride parade, and the teacher decided to give the student a zero because of the topic. Would that be an issue?


I'm sure it would. See, it depends on whether your a liberal/"progressive," or anything else other than a liberal/"progressive."  The former get to change their minds based on the manufacturerd "nuance" of the situation. They do. It's a right. I think it's mentioned somewhere in the Constitution, Das Kapital, AND the Bible.
 
2013-02-22 09:08:13 AM

Marquis de Sod: sethen320: xanadian: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: It's possible there's a little more to this story.

Well, let's see. FTFA: Her son said he wrote about going to the gun show because it was something he enjoyed, the paper didn't mention anything political about guns or even shooting guns.

See, there's the problem right there. It's Texas. You're supposed to extol the virtues of shooting guns, and the student didn't.

F----!!

My entire education was in Texas. I never knew anyone who was dying to write a paper on gun shows or hunting.

Stereotype much?

Yall Texans kneed to
kook upkokane
wif bking soda
and sell it.

p.s. pppfffff


Your punctuation is horrible.

/I believe you meant "y'all".
:)
 
2013-02-22 09:09:47 AM

Katolu: Krieghund: From TFA:The Denton Independent School District said in a statement, "The teacher has accepted the paper and apologized to the student for misperceptions. The teacher's intent was for guns not to be trivialized in any school situation because of recent events."

See, the teacher tried to mitigate a delicate subject, but crazy mom had to turn the derp to 12.


Yep. It was the kid's fault for not reading the mind of the teacher. And it was the kid's and the parents' fault for not automatically knowing that the Right, Moral, and Correct stance on anything to do with Guns is to either avoid talking about it, or condemn it.  Perfectly clear to me.
 
2013-02-22 09:11:05 AM

ThunderPelvis: Mother, student, and teacher all sound like fairly massive dipsh*ts.


So support the teacher 'cause they're all bad.
 
2013-02-22 09:19:06 AM

5monkeys: He did the work as specified by the teacher. If the teacher didn't want an essay with guns in it he should have said that when it was assigned. The student should not be punished because of the teachers personal beliefs. My public speaking professor was a far off the deep end liberal who stated over and over that your papers would not be graded on your opinion, but on the quality of your work and ability to speak in front of the class. Then she failed you if you didn't side with her. She even took it so far as to fail speeches you gave about benign things like cooking or sports if she knew you were a conservative. She was fired after my class. It would have been a lot easier to take her class if she had just said, "agree with me or get an f."


Damn, that brings back memories..... I went to CSU Northridge back in 68-72. Even back then there were a jack-load of libbie professors. Even a few outright Marxists. You quickly learned to "toe the line," keep your thoughts to yourself, and spout the bullshiat right back at them. Great training for later in life and working in the corporate environment.
 
2013-02-22 09:20:34 AM

Marquis de Sod: sethen320: xanadian: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: It's possible there's a little more to this story.

Well, let's see. FTFA: Her son said he wrote about going to the gun show because it was something he enjoyed, the paper didn't mention anything political about guns or even shooting guns.

See, there's the problem right there. It's Texas. You're supposed to extol the virtues of shooting guns, and the student didn't.

F----!!

My entire education was in Texas. I never knew anyone who was dying to write a paper on gun shows or hunting.

Stereotype much?

Yall Texans kneed to
kook upkokane
wif bking soda
and sell it.

p.s. pppfffff


sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net
 
2013-02-22 09:20:40 AM
I'd write about this one time at FEMA camp when I had a gay abortion.
 
2013-02-22 09:20:52 AM

dittybopper: untaken_name: I don't know, when I was in middle school we were told to write a story about anything we wanted, so I wrote a story about our teacher snapping in class and hacking everyone up with an axe, and she graded that one just fine. Of course, she also called my mom and asked how things were going at home. If a kid did that today, they're probably be arrested.

Well, no.  See, you wrote the story about the *TEACHER* doing it.  If you wrote a story about a *STUDENT* doing it, that would have been different.

[v011o.popscreen.com image 666x360]

It's such a fine line between clever and stupid.


i449.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-22 09:25:10 AM

quickdraw: BigBooper: drjekel_mrhyde: Big deal out of nothing

So you're saying that the teacher should be able to give a writing assignment without guidelines, and then should be able to reject a paper because it violates the non-existent guidelines? What if the student wrote about attending a gay pride parade, and the teacher decided to give the student a zero because of the topic. Would that be an issue?

Not really no. It's one assignment in a podunk school in a podunk town. Who the fark cares.


You would, if you were the parent, or the kid.

Well, maybe not. I see from your profile that you appear to be the personification of megalomania. So you would probably just think that the teacher was complimenting you.
 
2013-02-22 09:28:02 AM

Thunderpipes: Liberals hate freedom of speech, news at 11:00.


No NO NO! WRONG! See, you have to nuance it. Freedom of speech is allowed, but "Hate Speech" is, for obvious reasons, NOT allowed. And liberals define what is speech and what is hate speech. Do you understand now? You'd better, or no desert for you!
 
2013-02-22 09:34:00 AM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: AirForceVet: While I'm normally supportive of teachers as I come from a long line of teachers (dad, brother, grandmother, aunts, etc.), if the teacher just doesn't like the subject chosen, she should grade it.

Like President Obama's recent SOTU address where he called out "It deserves a vote," I paraphrase his call as "It deserves a grade."

/Good night all.

What probably happened was that the teacher said "no reports on guns, because I'm sick of reading about them."  Kid turns in a paper about guns, and she says "you don't follow instructions very well, do you?"  Kid decides to tell his mom, who then says "THEY'RE INFRINGING ON MAH RIGHTS!!!!!" and goes to the media.

\I limit my college students on their topics, too
\\otherwise, every paper will be about video games, prostitution, marijuana, or abortion


You're profile doesn't say what you teach or what your politics are, but I suspect you are pretty much of a liberal. If so, I suspect your teaching methods probably reflect your True Believer mentality.

You DO understand, don't you, that your bludgeoning of differing views in class generally has opposite the intended effect?

Probably not.
 
2013-02-22 09:35:01 AM

Son of Thunder: So "Huck's actions here were motivated by fear of his father" versus "Huck's actions here were motivated by his acceptance of southern society's belief in slavery as normative" is a valid set of alternate opinions. "Huck's actions here were motivated by fear of his father" versus "Huck's actions here were motivated by the chip that time-travelling marmosets implanted in his brain" is not.

(For the record, when I assign essays like that, I include some variant of "provide a well-reasons argument in support of your position" in the instructions)


What would happen to the student who a well-reasoned argument for unorthodox motivations for Huck's actions?

That's the problem with interpreting a work of art.   There is no right answer.  Some answers may be precluded, naturally, as in your extreme example, but let's say I came up with a very unorthodox answer to the question that I supported reasonably well with the text.  What then?  What if it's an answer you vigorously disagree with?

You can protest that you would grade honestly, and maybe *YOU* would.  But if you did, you would be the rare exception to the rule.  That's why, when I was given the choice, I picked a subject so outside the realm of the professor's experience, knowledge, and belief structure that she couldn't possibly grade me on whether my opinion was different than hers, but on the actual things I was supposed to be learning in that class:  The process and mechanics of writing a paper.
 
2013-02-22 09:36:43 AM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Damn, that brings back memories..... I went to CSU Northridge back in 68-72. Even back then there were a jack-load of libbie professors. Even a few outright Marxists. You quickly learned to "toe the line," keep your thoughts to yourself, and spout the bullshiat right back at them. Great training for later in life and working in the corporate environment.


I bet they were never even aware of the irony.
 
2013-02-22 09:44:33 AM

Jim_Callahan: 5monkeys: My public speaking professor was a far off the deep end liberal who stated over and over that your papers would not be graded on your opinion, but on the quality of your work and ability to speak in front of the class. Then she failed you if you didn't side with her. She even took it so far as to fail speeches you gave about benign things like cooking or sports if she knew you were a conservative. She was fired after my class. It would have been a lot easier to take her class if she had just said, "agree with me or get an f."

Weird, I always had the opposite going on.  Teachers in humanities that I'd get into arguments with were the ones that would typically give my slightly higher grades than I deserved.  Though on reflection that was probably more because arguing was an indicator that I was actually paying attention in a class that everyone else slept through, making it feel to the instructor like less of a waste of his own precious time.

//There was a graduation requirement at my alma mater that required everyone take three hours of what amounted to a socialist propaganda class.  Since it was a huge waste of everyone's time, I went out of my way to hijack the discussions and talk about other stuff instead just so I wouldn't fall asleep, or take devil's advocate positions on even relatively universal points.  The instructor and I ended up being about as close to friends as I ever got with faculty when I was an undergrad.


I guess it depends where you went to school. My experience was pretty much the same as 5monkeys, except I usually kept my mouth shut and handed the BS right back to them.

There WAS one exception, though. This one PoliSci professor was a, well I guess you would call him a "hyper-revisionist" Marxist. Pretty much hard-core, quite a bit beyond Marcuse (who was "it" at the time). He would have "social get-togethers" (pot parties) at his house for his students. I would get into rip-roaring political arguments with him which would gradually degenerate into both of us staring fixedly at patterns in his living room rug.... Anyway, the guy was overwhelming fair on grading everyone in class, and would even go so farm as to warn students about which profs to "clam up" around.
 
2013-02-22 09:45:27 AM
It's ridiculous for the teacher to take a stand on this issue. The topic was "anything". As long as that anything was legal, I don't see the problem. If that anything was illegal, I can see where a problem might arise. (Say if the kid was writing a paper about killing or raping someone or something.)

Teacher turned a non issue into an issue. Teacher is a goofball.
 
2013-02-22 09:56:15 AM

dittybopper: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Damn, that brings back memories..... I went to CSU Northridge back in 68-72. Even back then there were a jack-load of libbie professors. Even a few outright Marxists. You quickly learned to "toe the line," keep your thoughts to yourself, and spout the bullshiat right back at them. Great training for later in life and working in the corporate environment.

I bet they were never even aware of the irony.


Don't think so, either. but it gets even better. Were you aware that most of the very first socialist concepts and writings were intended for and applied in practice to private companies? Only later were they broadened to governments.

And think about it. Life in a big corporation is actually quite a bit more regimented than life under Stalin or Hitler. The punishments are not as extreme (fired -vs- getting shot) but the day-to-day minutia is more tightly regulated and inspected.
 
2013-02-22 09:56:19 AM
FTFA "I don't feel like I've gotten an apology yet. I feel like he has just stomped on our right to free speech. He told us we would not be allowed to express ourselves and didn't even consider what we had said.  He didn't have a clue of the content of my paper before he told me... he just knew that my paper was about guns before he told me that I would be getting a zero on the assignment," Marshall Williams said.

If I were to judge this kid on that statement, I would think he may not get a much higher than that which he was originally rewarded.
 
2013-02-22 09:56:52 AM
Denton is extremly Liberal it's a complete police state. A standing joke in North Texas is don't be caught in Denton after 8:00 or you will be arrested.

http://dpdjailview.cityofdenton.com/
 
2013-02-22 10:01:49 AM
rezaxis:
A Fox News story? The whole thing must be nothing more than an elaborate fabrication.

clane:
golf clap...
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-02-22 10:02:57 AM
EvilEgg:
....................
These, of course, are hyperbole, but the kids should use some sense and avoid controversial topics.


Crap on that. Why should anyone EVER have to "avoid controversial topics".?
Free speech is free. Rock the boat, stir the pot, speak your mind!
Many died to give us that right. Exercise it at every possible chance.
 
2013-02-22 10:05:56 AM
Honestly the teacher could just be sick of ready the same farking "first time I shot a deer I jizzed in my pants" story from a bunch of virgins.
 
2013-02-22 10:07:22 AM
Liberals should be required to attend mandatory firearms education.
 
2013-02-22 10:09:17 AM

Son of Thunder: kendelrio: My favorite was questions on a test (in English while we were reading Huckleberry Finn) that asked "In your opinion, what was the motivation for character A to do such and such".

When I get the test back, that answer is marked wrong. When I questioned the "wrongness" of my answer, the teacher listed what was wrong about my answer according to how she interpreted the passage. My reply was "You asked what MY opinion was, not yours, if you wanted me to tell you what YOUR opinion was, you should have specified that".

While you may disagree with my opinion, it cannot be wrong as my opinion is based on my observations of the situation and how my mind perceives it. My opinion could be steeped in herp with a large chaser of derp, but that doesn't make it wrong, only different from your perception of the situation.

Sorry, but while that may fly in a fark thread, it doesn't hold water in an academic essay. An "in your opinion" question means that a range of possible valid interpretations exists, but it does not mean that that range is infinite.

So "Huck's actions here were motivated by fear of his father" versus "Huck's actions here were motivated by his acceptance of southern society's belief in slavery as normative" is a valid set of alternate opinions. "Huck's actions here were motivated by fear of his father" versus "Huck's actions here were motivated by the chip that time-travelling marmosets implanted in his brain" is not.

(For the record, when I assign essays like that, I include some variant of "provide a well-reasons argument in support of your position" in the instructions)




While I understand your point, I would like to counter point that my answer was within the realm of possible motivations. No deux ex machina crap. How can you ask my interpretation of motives then tell me my interpretation is wrong? It's MY interpretation!
 
2013-02-22 10:15:23 AM

Father_Jack: gun shows are awesome.

not only because you get to buy amazing stuff, but because most of my fellow shooters make walmart shoppers look educated sophisticated and wealthy.

"Really sir? youre going to spend 3k on that K98 sniper but you havent bought yerself or your wife a new pair of shoes in 4 years. Are you sure your priorities are on straight?"



clane:

You liberals need to step away from Jon Stewart and MSNBC for just a minute, stop gulping the Kool-Aid.

www.hopenjesus.com
 
2013-02-22 10:18:08 AM

Thunderpipes: Liberals hate freedom of speech, news at 11:00.


clane:
that's not news
 
2013-02-22 10:20:12 AM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: dittybopper: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Damn, that brings back memories..... I went to CSU Northridge back in 68-72. Even back then there were a jack-load of libbie professors. Even a few outright Marxists. You quickly learned to "toe the line," keep your thoughts to yourself, and spout the bullshiat right back at them. Great training for later in life and working in the corporate environment.

I bet they were never even aware of the irony.

Don't think so, either. but it gets even better. Were you aware that most of the very first socialist concepts and writings were intended for and applied in practice to private companies? Only later were they broadened to governments.

And think about it. Life in a big corporation is actually quite a bit more regimented than life under Stalin or Hitler. The punishments are not as extreme (fired -vs- getting shot) but the day-to-day minutia is more tightly regulated and inspected.


There is one really big difference:  You can quit your job if you don't like it.
 
2013-02-22 10:21:45 AM

Citrate1007: Honestly the teacher could just be sick of ready the same farking "first time I shot a deer I jizzed in my pants" story from a bunch of virgins.


Wow,  Just, Wow.

Are you really that bigoted and idiotic, or are you just trolling?  'Cause, *DAMN*!
 
2013-02-22 10:23:10 AM

dittybopper: Citrate1007: Honestly the teacher could just be sick of ready the same farking "first time I shot a deer I jizzed in my pants" story from a bunch of virgins.

Wow,  Just, Wow.

Are you really that bigoted and idiotic, or are you just trolling?  'Cause, *DAMN*!


Oh, c'mon.  That was a pretty good troll.  I'd give it a 5/10 just for being funny.
 
2013-02-22 10:26:10 AM

alabasterblack: FTFA "I don't feel like I've gotten an apology yet. I feel like he has just stomped on our right to free speech. He told us we would not be allowed to express ourselves and didn't even consider what we had said.  He didn't have a clue of the content of my paper before he told me... he just knew that my paper was about guns before he told me that I would be getting a zero on the assignment," Marshall Williams said.

If I were to judge this kid on that statement, I would think he may not get a much higher than that which he was originally rewarded.


Don't make the mistake of judging a person's spontaneous spoken statement to a reporter with what they would write.

For example, I changed the above sentence a couple of times before I hit "Add Comment".  I generally use certain grammatically incorrect verbal affectations when I speak that I avoid in my written speech.
 
2013-02-22 10:26:18 AM

dittybopper: Citrate1007: Honestly the teacher could just be sick of ready the same farking "first time I shot a deer I jizzed in my pants" story from a bunch of virgins.

Wow,  Just, Wow.

Are you really that bigoted and idiotic, or are you just trolling?  'Cause, *DAMN*!


Sometimes I wonder if I'm missing anything by having a certain few posters on ignore and then someone quotes one of them and I wonder no more.
 
2013-02-22 10:29:10 AM

GanjSmokr: dittybopper: Citrate1007: Honestly the teacher could just be sick of ready the same farking "first time I shot a deer I jizzed in my pants" story from a bunch of virgins.

Wow,  Just, Wow.

Are you really that bigoted and idiotic, or are you just trolling?  'Cause, *DAMN*!

Sometimes I wonder if I'm missing anything by having a certain few posters on ignore and then someone quotes one of them and I wonder no more.


Yeah, see, I don't use 'ignore'.  Feels too much like sticking my fingers in my ears and yelling "LA LA LA LA, I CAN'T HEAR YOU!".  Your kilometerage may vary.
 
2013-02-22 10:34:50 AM

dittybopper: GanjSmokr: dittybopper: Citrate1007: Honestly the teacher could just be sick of ready the same farking "first time I shot a deer I jizzed in my pants" story from a bunch of virgins.

Wow,  Just, Wow.

Are you really that bigoted and idiotic, or are you just trolling?  'Cause, *DAMN*!

Sometimes I wonder if I'm missing anything by having a certain few posters on ignore and then someone quotes one of them and I wonder no more.

Yeah, see, I don't use 'ignore'.  Feels too much like sticking my fingers in my ears and yelling "LA LA LA LA, I CAN'T HEAR YOU!".  Your kilometerage may vary.


At some point though its useful for cutting down the noise/signal ratio generated by consistent thread-shiatters.
 
2013-02-22 10:35:23 AM

dittybopper: GanjSmokr: dittybopper: Citrate1007: Honestly the teacher could just be sick of ready the same farking "first time I shot a deer I jizzed in my pants" story from a bunch of virgins.

Wow,  Just, Wow.

Are you really that bigoted and idiotic, or are you just trolling?  'Cause, *DAMN*!

Sometimes I wonder if I'm missing anything by having a certain few posters on ignore and then someone quotes one of them and I wonder no more.

Yeah, see, I don't use 'ignore'.  Feels too much like sticking my fingers in my ears and yelling "LA LA LA LA, I CAN'T HEAR YOU!".  Your kilometerage may vary.


I didn't use ignore on anyone until recently - felt the same way about it as you, it just tries to make FARK a personal echo chamber.  Instead, I'd just favorite the idiots with my idiot color.

Sadly, the gun threads really brought out some huge morons and I just had to silence a few of the more glaring ones.
 
2013-02-22 10:36:37 AM
A paper on attending a Gay Pride Parade or being an atheist wouldn't raise any eyebrows at DHS. Lots of gay kids attend this school and there's a Gay-Straight Alliance chapter on campus. The location of this school makes it interesting. Denton is a university town and this campus is right next to UNT. Therefore the kids come from families that range from ultra conservative to super liberal. They actually all get along pretty well. (My sassy, gay, agnostic son attends & has grown up with many of these same kids his whole life)

My guess is that the teacher had Sandy Hook and other recent gun related events and debates in his thoughts when he made this decision, not some nefarious plan to forcibly indoctrinate this one student by punishing him for his paper topic. The teacher apologized and accepted the paper, so it seems the matter should have ended there IMHO.

A number of years ago, my husband taught English in this district at a different campus, further away the universities. He would limit paper topics because otherwise his every waking moment was taken up with grading writings on football, guns, abortion and/or Jesus. Believe me, the pay and benefits for teachers in Texas are not worth putting up with that all year. ;)

/a liberal mom & teacher's wife who loves Denton and DHS
 
2013-02-22 10:38:17 AM

5monkeys: He did the work as specified by the teacher. If the teacher didn't want an essay with guns in it he should have said that when it was assigned. The student should not be punished because of the teachers personal beliefs. My public speaking professor was a far off the deep end liberal who stated over and over that your papers would not be graded on your opinion, but on the quality of your work and ability to speak in front of the class. Then she failed you if you didn't side with her. She even took it so far as to fail speeches you gave about benign things like cooking or sports if she knew you were a conservative. She was fired after my class. It would have been a lot easier to take her class if she had just said, "agree with me or get an f."


Been there with a few liberal teachers. Some were OK, basing our literary discussions around liberal themed literature but allowing the other side to have an argument in the class. Others were complete "Fail the conservatives and pass the liberals" type.

Really hate politics in schools unless its an actual political class, then both sides need to be taught. Best professor I ever had was my microeconomics professor who taught the class exactly like that. Each point had a liberal view and a conservative view but neither were tested on (Example: How each side viewed taxes but were tested on how taxes work).
 
2013-02-22 10:45:37 AM

5monkeys: kendelrio: My favorite was questions on a test (in English while we were reading Huckleberry Finn) that asked "In your opinion, what was the motivation for character A to do such and such".

When I get the test back, that answer is marked wrong. When I questioned the "wrongness" of my answer, the teacher listed what was wrong about my answer according to how she interpreted the passage. My reply was "You asked what MY opinion was, not yours, if you wanted me to tell you what YOUR opinion was, you should have specified that".

While you may disagree with my opinion, it cannot be wrong as my opinion is based on my observations of the situation and how my mind perceives it. My opinion could be steeped in herp with a large chaser of derp, but that doesn't make it wrong, only different from your perception of the situation.

My English professor asked us for our opinion on a character's motivation. I stated vanity. She told me I was wrong because "at her age (professor not character) she has learned not to care what people think of her." What?!


I love when English professors/teachers would ask for students' opinions and then tell them they were wrong, even if they said they were wrong because they lacked any supporting evidence to form an opinion. They never preface it by saying, give me your informed opinion on the matter(s) at hand.

CSB time

I was always in AP classes and graduated #12 out of my class of 1200 (would have been higher but since I was also active in Football it lowered my average GPA). My Senior year, the counselors made a mistake and placed me in a regular English class which was horrible. It took me about a couple of weeks to transfer out, and when I did the AP teacher was NOT happy of having to accept a new student 2 weeks into the semester and she made it known. On top of it, she had a chip on her shoulder because I was the Captain of the Football team and fairly popular. I have always excelled in creative writing, so I would often tutor or help my friends with their papers.

So, the time for our first paper comes and she gives me a 0 stating that she did not agree with my thesis statement, therefore she did not read the rest of the paper and wrote incomplete. I had a 4 page essay that was a required 2 page. Meanwhile, my friends' papers who I pretty much wrote, all received high marks. I confronted her about it and she flipped out and told me she wouldn't discuss it, so I went home and told my Dad about how unfair her treatment had been of me and tried to set up a conference so I could figure out how to NOT get a 0 taking the high road. Well, she did not like that one bit so the next day in class she said that "Anyone that goes to the mommy and daddy for help won't make it very far in life, isn't that right (my name)?" She did this in front of the WHOLE class for no apparent reason other than to try to establish she was in control and to further attempt to humiliate me. So, I did the only logical thing left at that point, I went on a 10 minute rant comparing her to a fat turkey, told her to fark off and left never to come back.

I ended up taking a for college credit distance learning course through a state university here and eventually took my AP exam. When you take your AP exams, you can list addresses and people to inform of your test scores, so for the hell of it I listed her address. The end of the school year rolled around and I received my scores, perfect 5. After graduation we had an awards ceremony for AP tests, She, being the AP English coordinator, had to award me with the certificate and in turn we had to give a brief acceptance speech. Since I had the microphone, I told my story in front of a full auditorium which included not only parents and students, but faculty and the school board and district superintendent. She "resigned" after that.
 
2013-02-22 10:51:31 AM

the money is in the banana stand: 5monkeys: kendelrio: My favorite was questions on a test (in English while we were reading Huckleberry Finn) that asked "In your opinion, what was the motivation for character A to do such and such".

When I get the test back, that answer is marked wrong. When I questioned the "wrongness" of my answer, the teacher listed what was wrong about my answer according to how she interpreted the passage. My reply was "You asked what MY opinion was, not yours, if you wanted me to tell you what YOUR opinion was, you should have specified that".

While you may disagree with my opinion, it cannot be wrong as my opinion is based on my observations of the situation and how my mind perceives it. My opinion could be steeped in herp with a large chaser of derp, but that doesn't make it wrong, only different from your perception of the situation.

My English professor asked us for our opinion on a character's motivation. I stated vanity. She told me I was wrong because "at her age (professor not character) she has learned not to care what people think of her." What?!

I love when English professors/teachers would ask for students' opinions and then tell them they were wrong, even if they said they were wrong because they lacked any supporting evidence to form an opinion. They never preface it by saying, give me your informed opinion on the matter(s) at hand.

CSB time

I was always in AP classes and graduated #12 out of my class of 1200 (would have been higher but since I was also active in Football it lowered my average GPA). My Senior year, the counselors made a mistake and placed me in a regular English class which was horrible. It took me about a couple of weeks to transfer out, and when I did the AP teacher was NOT happy of having to accept a new student 2 weeks into the semester and she made it known. On top of it, she had a chip on her shoulder because I was the Captain of the Football team and fairly popular. I have always excelled in creative writing, so I would often tutor ...


all of that could have been avoided if you just slept with her.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-02-22 10:52:47 AM

the money is in the banana stand: She "resigned" after that.


And nothing of value was lost.
People need to keep their beliefs and agendas to themselves where they are in a position to affect the lives of others.
She was a lousy person, so it kind of forces her to be a lousy teacher by mere nature.
 
2013-02-22 11:01:12 AM

gja: the money is in the banana stand: She "resigned" after that.

And nothing of value was lost.
People need to keep their beliefs and agendas to themselves where they are in a position to affect the lives of others.
She was a lousy person, so it kind of forces her to be a lousy teacher by mere nature.


Agreed. She sounds like an awful teacher, and not a very nice person at all. Also, I like the way you handled it tmiitbs.
 
2013-02-22 11:02:48 AM

GanjSmokr: I didn't use ignore on anyone until recently - felt the same way about it as you, it just tries to make FARK a personal echo chamber.  Instead, I'd just favorite the idiots with my idiot color.

Sadly, the gun threads really brought out some huge morons and I just had to silence a few of the more glaring ones.


I've only ever favorited people who are ham radio operators, so I know who to tell about the next Fark QSO Party.  That, and one other farker who is an "old crow".
 
2013-02-22 11:05:04 AM
content8.flixster.com

He should have bribed her with a fruit basket.

Teacher should have given him a C+ and told him he'd shoot his eye out.
 
2013-02-22 11:06:00 AM
I had a funny story in which I was hanging out with a friend and his little sister came home (she was 10 at the time) and started talking to her father. She started mouthing off liberal political view points while trash talking the conservative view points. When both her father and I asked where she learned these ideas. She said her teacher was teaching them as fact. We both laughed and told her that they are not facts but opinions based on one persons ideas. She got a confused look on her face because, well, she was 10 and did not think a teacher would do that.

Do not know what happened after that but I knew she never really talked like that again. But it did make me upset that an elementary school teacher was teaching his / her political point of view as fact in a classroom filled with children.
 
2013-02-22 11:09:29 AM
Well, it's nice to know that the definition of "anything" is changing. Censorship or not, gun violence or not, politics or no politics, the student complied with the parameters of the assignment, period, the teacher needs to give out a fair grade.

What a piece of crap. You don't want kids writing about guns? Fine, make that the conditions of the assignment BEFORE it is handed out.
 
2013-02-22 11:11:19 AM
You people sadden me.  Liberal and Conservative are not mutually exclusive terms and you all seem to have fallen into the trap that they are.  Also, that your duty as a member of either "side" is to oppose vehemently anything the other side suggests.

The 2 party system is a by-design stranglehold to ensure that people think there are only 2 choices.  We keep electing 99.9% R's and D's and expecting things to change.  Both parties love that most of the American public is too focused on where they disagree to focus on the real areas of concern : those items on which R's and D's agree.
 
2013-02-22 11:21:18 AM
Write about anything?

onesheetdesign.com
 
2013-02-22 11:25:48 AM

SquiggsIN: You people sadden me.  Liberal and Conservative are not mutually exclusive terms and you all seem to have fallen into the trap that they are.  Also, that your duty as a member of either "side" is to oppose vehemently anything the other side suggests.

The 2 party system is a by-design stranglehold to ensure that people think there are only 2 choices.  We keep electing 99.9% R's and D's and expecting things to change.  Both parties love that most of the American public is too focused on where they disagree to focus on the real areas of concern : those items on which R's and D's agree.


I think it would be very interesting if all of the incumbents were voted out and new representation was voted in that were running as Republicans and Democrats. The moment they take office, they turn around and say "Surprise! I am really an independent party member!!!" Then, you would ultimately have representation that is full of the "third party" members and allow the system to expand beyond the 2-party system.

What I also think would be highly entertaining is if on the ballots they did not list what party the candidates were a party of and straight-ticket voting was disabled. Force the populous to actually research the candidates. I would personally love a test where during voting time they have a huge sampling of people walk into the ballot booths. I would use criminal's names for the candidates and assign them a party. Then I would ask them all what party the voters were a part of to see just how many people voted based on nothing more than what party it said the candidate was a member of.
 
2013-02-22 11:36:29 AM

KrispyKritter: [forgottenflix.com image 550x347]


Denton, Denton, rah rah rah! Denton, Denton, eat me raw! Yay Denton!
 
2013-02-22 12:03:30 PM

Somacandra: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: It's possible there's a little more to this story.

Usually if a certain topic is off-limits, the teacher would normally mention that beforehand so as to avoid problems like this.


"Choose any topic you want" is a recipe for unpleasantness, as this story shows.
 
2013-02-22 12:10:21 PM
Being Texas its shocking the teacher hasn't been tarred, feathered and run out o town.
 
2013-02-22 12:16:15 PM
Ten bucks say the teacher was trying to keep politics out of the classroom.
 
2013-02-22 12:29:34 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Two amendments enter, one amendment leaves! Welcome to Tardertown!


who run tardtown
 
2013-02-22 12:54:19 PM
It took me to half way through my sophomore year in college to realize:

While teachers/professors claim they want students to exercise critical thinking to develop and express their opinions, teachers/professors really want their students to agree with them and regurgitate their derp, in classroom decisions, projects and exams.

When I realized that, my grades went from high C's and low B's to nearly straight A's.
 
2013-02-22 01:01:20 PM

ChuDogg: Liberals should be required to attend mandatory firearms history education.

 
2013-02-22 01:17:27 PM
"Me and my mom went to Cabella's to buy a gun."

He should have received a zero on the merits.
 
2013-02-22 01:23:18 PM
The teacher should grade the paper.  But the arguments the mother is giving are all 100% backwards.  There is no protection of free speech in school assignments.  The protection offered by the First Amendment does not apply to school assignments.  Censorship does not apply to school assignments either.  The issue is that the student completely followed the instructed guidelines, and the teacher disagreed.  Upon realizing his own error in not being more specific about the assignment, he changed his mind and accepted the paper.  The kid could have written a paper about torturing babies, or about the joys of anal sex, and he still would have been fulfilling the requirements.  Seems like a simple misunderstanding (although with political basis), but with a simple solution.  Not sure how much more of an apology this mother requires to stay out of the newspaper.
 
2013-02-22 01:39:41 PM

Thunderpipes: Liberals

Conservatives hate freedom of speech (and they'll misdirect in order to hide their true beliefs), news at 11:00.

FIFY.

"I feel like he has just stomped on our right to free speech."

i651.photobucket.com

// Sounds like the father dropped out of school too soon.
// At least get your GED.
// And would it kill you to pick up a book once in a while?
 
2013-02-22 01:40:36 PM
I have 4 children ages 21+ to 10.  Since the oldest was in elementary school, I have had the children come home at one time or another telling us (my wife and myself) things that their teachers put forth as facts that are largely opinions.  I've had my children become very distressed by this because they are told to believe what their teacher is teaching, and yet at home are being told their teacher isn't correct.  By far my favorite has been when my elementary school children come home during an election cycle and proceede to tell me how their teacher plans to vote and then spouts rhetoric for their chosen candidate.  Why does my 10 year old need to know what their teacher is voting?  And worse, why are they being spoon fed propaganda?
 
2013-02-22 01:44:23 PM

SquiggsIN: You people sadden me.  Liberal and Conservative are not mutually exclusive terms and you all seem to have fallen into the trap that they are.  Also, that your duty as a member of either "side" is to oppose vehemently anything the other side suggests.

The 2 party system is a by-design stranglehold to ensure that people think there are only 2 choices.  We keep electing 99.9% R's and D's and expecting things to change.  Both parties love that most of the American public is too focused on where they disagree to focus on the real areas of concern : those items on which R's and D's agree.



Ron Paul 2008! 2012! 2016!

Oh, wait!
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2013-02-22 02:25:37 PM

EvilEgg: Somacandra: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: It's possible there's a little more to this story.

Usually if a certain topic is off-limits, the teacher would normally mention that beforehand so as to avoid problems like this.

It would depend.

I'm sure a paper about gunning down classmates would cause a stir. I don't think that needs to be mentioned beforehand.

Or a graphic depiction of an orgy you went to over the weekend would also be verboten.

These, of course, are hyperbole, but the kids should use some sense and avoid controversial topics.


So start ditching Social Studies class right?
 
2013-02-22 02:41:19 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: His mother called it blatant censorship based on personal moral beliefs.

"If it went against any district policy I would support it completely, but it doesn't. It's just his own moral beliefs trying to be put in his classroom and I disagree with that," Kimberly Williams said.

Texas mother decries blatant censorship, but would support it completely if it were institutional policy? That's logical, I guess.


 Amusing isn't it, just how backwards people are.  (nope, that wasn't a question)

Anyway, she also mentions that this whole thing is a first amendment issue... which it would be, if it were institutional policy, but because it isn't, that doesn't apply and this woman clearly failed civics class.
 
2013-02-22 02:42:10 PM
I completely trust the disgruntled parent's version of the story as to why her precious snowflake failed the assignment
 
2013-02-22 02:43:52 PM

Somacandra: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: It's possible there's a little more to this story.

Usually if a certain topic is off-limits, the teacher would normally mention that beforehand so as to avoid problems like this.


Totally THIS!

Hell, I went to school in Louisiana and this was done in both High School AND college, mainly for Speech classes. There are just some topics too hot to touch, or most of the time, the teacher has heard it so many times the topic arguments become redundant (We were told this in my freshman speech class in college) because nothing new is presented.

/B.A in speech comm
 
2013-02-22 02:58:48 PM

MythDragon: College professors have tiny penises. Not because they are nerds, but because they are liberals.


Wouldn't they be gun owners, then?
 
2013-02-22 03:00:14 PM

Kahabut: Anyway, she also mentions that this whole thing is a first amendment issue... which it would be, if it were institutional policy, but because it isn't, that doesn't apply and this woman clearly failed civics class.


Teacher is a government employee.  Therefore, it is a First Amendment issue, because government employee was punishing student for speech that he didn't agree with.

Teacher subsequently backed down, because he knew he was wrong.

The right to free speech is more limited in a school setting, of course, but it's not completely gone.  This didn't fall into one of the exceptions to free speech.
 
2013-02-22 03:03:35 PM
If you watch the full video on YouTube from the parent conference with the teacher, it's very obvious that this teacher gave the students zeroes solely because they mentioned guns. The teacher also admits that he did say they could write about anything--as in, no parameters. The teacher did have recent events on his mind, but since the students weren't talking about shooting up schools or people, but instead discussed going hunting and going to a gun show, this should have never been an issue.
While an apology was given, the teacher apologized for the misunderstanding only. That's not apologizing for your actions or for being wrong, but apologizing because you are being forced to by your bosses.

As a former Englisher teacher and a former teacher in Denton, it is embarrassing to see people like this English teacher still employed. They give other teachers bad reps. (And no, I wasn't fired--I moved out of state because Texas sucks.) I worry that this teacher is going to warp students into thinking that a) all teachers lie to push across an agenda b) all liberals are idiots like this teacher and c) education is a waste of time. Those aren't the sort of lessons a teacher should be teaching because then you end up with some of the Farkers here who think only in absolutes and stereotypes.

//is a liberal
//believes in the right to bear arms
//also believes in gun regulation, just like we regulate the operation of motor vehicles
 
2013-02-22 03:08:59 PM
Ah, yes, here is the case I was thinking of:   Tinker v. Des Moines Independent Community School District

Basically, students have a right to free speech that doesn't fall into one of the regular exceptions to the First Amendment (fighting words, etc.) and that isn't obscene and doesn't materially disrupt the school.

Student was right, teacher was wrong, and in the end, it worked out correctly.
 
2013-02-22 03:24:55 PM

kaonevar: //is a liberal
//believes in the right to bear arms
//also believes in gun regulation, just like we regulate the operation of motor vehicles


I'd *LOVE* that.

You know what that would mean?

1.  You could purchase any gun you wanted without a background check.

2. If you just wanted to use your gun on private property, you wouldn't need a license at all.

3. If you wanted to carry your gun in public, you'd need a license to do so.  This license would be granted to everyone who could pass a very basic written test and short range session (and of course who aren't disqualified from gun ownership).  Well over 90% of the people would pass that test the first time they take it.  The cost would be minimal, maybe $50 for a license good for 6 to 10 years.  It would be good in all 50 states and in every city, so if Nebraska issued you a carry license, New York City would recognize it as valid.

I'd *LOVE* that, because it would significantly loosen both my state and federal law,  but I suspect that isn't what you meant.
 
2013-02-22 03:44:16 PM
Nope-- I meant had to have a license showing thorough background checks and training in weapons operations and safety to both purchase and operate said gun. Also, yearly checks of said weapon to ensure you are keeping it operating properly and still up to date yourself with its operation and safety. That was more the direction I was going, dittybopper.
 
2013-02-22 03:46:53 PM

kaonevar: Nope-- I meant had to have a license showing thorough background checks and training in weapons operations and safety to both purchase and operate said gun. Also, yearly checks of said weapon to ensure you are keeping it operating properly and still up to date yourself with its operation and safety. That was more the direction I was going, dittybopper.


Yeah, just like everyone has to do with their licensed automobiles.  Every year.
 
2013-02-22 04:02:40 PM

Molavian: MythDragon: College professors have tiny penises. Not because they are nerds, but because they are liberals.

Wouldn't they be gun owners, then?


No, because owning a gun makes your penis bigger.
For rifles it's an inch per barrel inch ratio.
Pistols are only worth 1/2 inch per barrel inch, unless you have a Desert Eagle, then it is 1.25 per barrel inch.

Shotguns work the opposite. You gain an inch for each inch under 16" of barrel length. But only for 12ga and heavier. 20ga actualy shrinks your penis, and if you get one too long, it can actualy give you a vagina.

However these results are not cumulative. It only goes by which type/length gives you the largest penis.
 
2013-02-22 04:29:53 PM

kaonevar: Nope-- I meant had to have a license showing thorough background checks and training in weapons operations and safety to both purchase and operate said gun. Also, yearly checks of said weapon to ensure you are keeping it operating properly and still up to date yourself with its operation and safety. That was more the direction I was going, dittybopper.


You don't need a license to purchase a car.

You don't need a license to operate a car on private property.

You can get a driver's license at 16.  Hell, you can get a *PILOTS* license at 16.  Would you be amenable to 16 year olds getting a carry license?

Truth is, you want to treat guns much more strictly than we treat cars, so stop saying "treat them like cars".

If we truly treated guns like cars, it would be a significant improvement in my state (New York).  But you don't want that, so don't say that is what you want.

If I want to legally own a handgun in my state, I have to take a safety course that will cost $25 and are held only once a month.  Then I have to apply for the license just to *OWN* it, and that requires a rigorous background check for which I must pay a $91.50 fingerprint fee, and an application fee of some sort.  I have to supply at least 3 character references.  I have to be at least 21 years old, and it's almost certain that the license will be restricted to "Hunting and Target Shooting Only".  It will take upwards of 6 months for it to get approved.

Compare that to getting a driver's license here:  I pay the fee (a mere $65 dollars), take the written test, and take the practical test, and I have a valid license.  They check a computer system to make sure I haven't had my license taken away or suspended.  Doesn't take 6 months to get approved, doesn't require 'personal references', doesn't cost upwards of $200 to get (over $340 in NYC), and pretty much the only restrictions on it will be for stuff like corrective lenses.  Oh, and I don't have to bribe the judge with a huge campaign contribution if I want an "unrestricted" driver's license that allows me to drive on the highway.
 
2013-02-22 06:20:14 PM
Thanks gja.  Mind if I ask why?
 
2013-02-22 06:30:35 PM
He didn't censor it, he gave it a zero.

Big difference.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-02-22 07:39:40 PM

dittybopper: Thanks gja.  Mind if I ask why?


Making sense. Fellow ham.
 
2013-02-22 09:19:10 PM

gja: dittybopper: Thanks gja.  Mind if I ask why?

Making sense. Fellow ham.


Thanks.  Favorited as a ham, along with the other 70-some odd ham farkers.  Keep an eye out for the next Fark QSO Party.
 
2013-02-22 09:22:06 PM

BeSerious: He didn't censor it, he gave it a zero.

Big difference.


It's called "chilling effect".
 
2013-02-22 09:40:20 PM

dittybopper: kaonevar: //is a liberal
//believes in the right to bear arms
//also believes in gun regulation, just like we regulate the operation of motor vehicles

I'd *LOVE* that.

You know what that would mean?

1.  You could purchase any gun you wanted without a background check.

2. If you just wanted to use your gun on private property, you wouldn't need a license at all.

3. If you wanted to carry your gun in public, you'd need a license to do so.  This license would be granted to everyone who could pass a very basic written test and short range session (and of course who aren't disqualified from gun ownership).  Well over 90% of the people would pass that test the first time they take it.  The cost would be minimal, maybe $50 for a license good for 6 to 10 years.  It would be good in all 50 states and in every city, so if Nebraska issued you a carry license, New York City would recognize it as valid.

I'd *LOVE* that, because it would significantly loosen both my state and federal law,  but I suspect that isn't what you meant.


That is kind of how it is here. I have a concealed permit myself (do not carry my gun but I do carry a weapon on me when in public). The course is a simple 4 hours lecture class with a short simple written test and a shot at the range. You pay $50 to $75 ($50 just for the course and you get your finger prints and send the papers in on your own . $75 they do both the course and the paper work. Just have to send it in). There is also a background check before issuing of your permit. With the permit, I no longer have to wait the time period for a purchased fire arm (State background check is on file). Permit is good for 7 years.
 
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